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On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
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If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has nothing
to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the burning
tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking," either on
their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's the smart thing
to do.


My dad handled it nicely once in a restaurant. Tables were very close
together. A guy at the next table was smoking a cigar, and the smoke was
basically engulfing our table. It really messes with the enjoyment of
food, so my dad VERY politely asked him if he could either put it out, or
go to the bar, since they were done eating anyway. The guy just said
"No". My dad asked him again, politely. Again "No". My dad got up,
snatched the cigar out of the guy's hand, dunked it into his water glass,
said "Thanks very much", and sat down. Cigar boy left.

Sure he did.


You were there? Theresa's Restaurant, Glen Cove NY. Probably 1967-ish.



It must be true if you can name a restaurant and a rough time frame.

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On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:



If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has nothing
to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the burning
tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by second-hand
smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking," either
on their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's the smart
thing to do.


My dad handled it nicely once in a restaurant. Tables were very close
together. A guy at the next table was smoking a cigar, and the smoke was
basically engulfing our table. It really messes with the enjoyment of
food, so my dad VERY politely asked him if he could either put it out,
or go to the bar, since they were done eating anyway. The guy just said
"No". My dad asked him again, politely. Again "No". My dad got up,
snatched the cigar out of the guy's hand, dunked it into his water
glass, said "Thanks very much", and sat down. Cigar boy left.

Sure he did.


You were there? Theresa's Restaurant, Glen Cove NY. Probably 1967-ish.

It must be true if you can name a restaurant and a rough time frame.

Yes, it's true. Sorry if your father wasn't able to do what was right for
his family.

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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit,
but I
enjoy
the
dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent
lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a
lot
more
people than cigars do.
--
I'll bet you're wrong.

By the way, you can't partition off just cigars, unless you do
the
same
with alcohol, like compare cigar related deaths to, say, gin
related
deaths.

http://tiki.oneworld.net/pollution/smoking.html

says that 434,000 people die each year from smoking in the U.S
and
60,000 die each year from second hand smoke.

Then this site puts alcohol deaths at 100,000:

http://www.bookmark-manager.com/permalink-41


And I think they are full of it, to claim 60k deaths from second
hand
smoke.
If that was true, you would have a heck of a lot more than 434k
dead
from
direct injection. I one of those numbers that activitists can
throw
out
and
feel good, and hard to prove otherwise.

No those figures are pretty accurate. They don't just dream them up,
as
you think. Statistics is an interesting field, and if you think that
they just come up with numbers off the top of their head, you are
sadly
mistaken.


There is so much controversy on 2nd hand illnesses. My buddy smoked,
he
is
healthy but his wife got breast cancer. Is that a 2nd hand effect?

Could be.


Could be or may not be. But that is the problem with the statistics.

Only fools and idiots prefer to make up their own minds regardless of
data showing otherwise.


And where is the data?

I guess you fit in the catagory quite well. I GAVE you the data. Did
you look at it?

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I too was perfect from birth.

Thereby explaining that bright celestial light, and the three guys on
camels reportedly hauling gold, frankincense, and myrrh down to the
maternity ward. :-)

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I too was perfect from birth.

Thereby explaining that bright celestial light, and the three guys on
camels reportedly hauling gold, frankincense, and myrrh down to the
maternity ward. :-)

Exactly

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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit,
but I
enjoy
the
dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent
lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a
lot
more
people than cigars do.
--
I'll bet you're wrong.

By the way, you can't partition off just cigars, unless you do
the
same
with alcohol, like compare cigar related deaths to, say, gin
related
deaths.

http://tiki.oneworld.net/pollution/smoking.html

says that 434,000 people die each year from smoking in the U.S
and
60,000 die each year from second hand smoke.

Then this site puts alcohol deaths at 100,000:

http://www.bookmark-manager.com/permalink-41


And I think they are full of it, to claim 60k deaths from second
hand
smoke.
If that was true, you would have a heck of a lot more than 434k
dead
from
direct injection. I one of those numbers that activitists can
throw
out
and
feel good, and hard to prove otherwise.

No those figures are pretty accurate. They don't just dream them
up,
as
you think. Statistics is an interesting field, and if you think
that
they just come up with numbers off the top of their head, you are
sadly
mistaken.


There is so much controversy on 2nd hand illnesses. My buddy
smoked,
he
is
healthy but his wife got breast cancer. Is that a 2nd hand effect?

Could be.


Could be or may not be. But that is the problem with the statistics.

Only fools and idiots prefer to make up their own minds regardless of
data showing otherwise.


And where is the data?

I guess you fit in the catagory quite well. I GAVE you the data. Did
you look at it?



Whoosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:



On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:




If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has nothing
to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the burning
tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by second-hand
smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking," either
on their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's the smart
thing to do.


My dad handled it nicely once in a restaurant. Tables were very close
together. A guy at the next table was smoking a cigar, and the smoke was
basically engulfing our table. It really messes with the enjoyment of
food, so my dad VERY politely asked him if he could either put it out,
or go to the bar, since they were done eating anyway. The guy just said
"No". My dad asked him again, politely. Again "No". My dad got up,
snatched the cigar out of the guy's hand, dunked it into his water
glass, said "Thanks very much", and sat down. Cigar boy left.

Sure he did.


You were there? Theresa's Restaurant, Glen Cove NY. Probably 1967-ish.

It must be true if you can name a restaurant and a rough time frame.


Yes, it's true. Sorry if your father wasn't able to do what was right for
his family.



Sure, your father is a HERO. Call Time Magazine..

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On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:



On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:




If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot
more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has
nothing to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the
burning tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by
second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking,"
either on their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's
the smart thing to do.


My dad handled it nicely once in a restaurant. Tables were very close
together. A guy at the next table was smoking a cigar, and the smoke
was basically engulfing our table. It really messes with the enjoyment
of food, so my dad VERY politely asked him if he could either put it
out, or go to the bar, since they were done eating anyway. The guy
just said "No". My dad asked him again, politely. Again "No". My dad
got up, snatched the cigar out of the guy's hand, dunked it into his
water glass, said "Thanks very much", and sat down. Cigar boy left.

Sure he did.


You were there? Theresa's Restaurant, Glen Cove NY. Probably 1967-ish.

It must be true if you can name a restaurant and a rough time frame.


Yes, it's true. Sorry if your father wasn't able to do what was right for
his family.

Sure, your father is a HERO. Call Time Magazine..

Why do you object to my father's actions?

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On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:




On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:





If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot
more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has
nothing to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the
burning tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by
second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking,"
either on their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's
the smart thing to do.


My dad handled it nicely once in a restaurant. Tables were very close
together. A guy at the next table was smoking a cigar, and the smoke
was basically engulfing our table. It really messes with the enjoyment
of food, so my dad VERY politely asked him if he could either put it
out, or go to the bar, since they were done eating anyway. The guy
just said "No". My dad asked him again, politely. Again "No". My dad
got up, snatched the cigar out of the guy's hand, dunked it into his
water glass, said "Thanks very much", and sat down. Cigar boy left.

Sure he did.


You were there? Theresa's Restaurant, Glen Cove NY. Probably 1967-ish.

It must be true if you can name a restaurant and a rough time frame.


Yes, it's true. Sorry if your father wasn't able to do what was right for
his family.

Sure, your father is a HERO. Call Time Magazine..


Why do you object to my father's actions?



It was a nice STORY. Let's leave it at that.

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On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:




On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:





If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but
I enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent
lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot
more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has
nothing to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench
the burning tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by
second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking,"
either on their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's
the smart thing to do.


My dad handled it nicely once in a restaurant. Tables were very
close together. A guy at the next table was smoking a cigar, and the
smoke was basically engulfing our table. It really messes with the
enjoyment of food, so my dad VERY politely asked him if he could
either put it out, or go to the bar, since they were done eating
anyway. The guy just said "No". My dad asked him again, politely.
Again "No". My dad got up, snatched the cigar out of the guy's hand,
dunked it into his water glass, said "Thanks very much", and sat
down. Cigar boy left.

Sure he did.


You were there? Theresa's Restaurant, Glen Cove NY. Probably 1967-ish.

It must be true if you can name a restaurant and a rough time frame.


Yes, it's true. Sorry if your father wasn't able to do what was right
for his family.

Sure, your father is a HERO. Call Time Magazine..


Why do you object to my father's actions?

It was a nice STORY. Let's leave it at that.


No, Dan. It happened. It's a description of a management style you are
unaccustomed to. Some people wait for things to improve. Some people improve
things. If you see a bad situation and say "Oh well - nothing I can do about
it", so be it. I'm sorry you were raised that way. It's pathetic.