OT: Wake Up And Smell The Invasion !!!!
 

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:22:32 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote:

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote:


You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails.

They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch.


Nope..they all have to originate from or
several others with spam protection built in

And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme
of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I
note in disgust in passing

Snicker

Gunner

Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the
presence of cheaper workers?

It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he
was employed.

Its obvious you are a buffoon. See my previous post of a few moments
ago. I have fun pulling you twits chain..because your bias and
ignorance is boundless.

Gunner

Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"

OT: Wake Up And Smell The Invasion !!!!
 

"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:13:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote:


You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails.

They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch.


Nope..they all have to originate from or
several others with spam protection built in

And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme
of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I
note in disgust in passing

Snicker

Gunner

Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the
presence of cheaper workers?

Im self employed, and in my field..there are few "cheaper" workers.

On the other hand..I work with hispanic workers every day, and by and
large I like them very much. Most are very hard working, respectable,
and generally very good people. Es verdad.

Im an independant machine tool repair guy, serviceing machine shops
and manufacturing industry in So. Cal.

So Im working with hispanics daily, and as I said above..I like them.
I eat with them, work with them, and date the occasional hispanic
lady.

But that doesnt change the fact that illegals have much higher crime
rates than do legals and citizens (with the exception of blacks).

The reasons are myriad..but first and foremost..most
illegals..particularly hispanics who come to Unitos Estadas..are from
the very bottom of the various hispanic nations social and economic
classes. Poorly educated, many times on the run from their own
countries justice system. Prone to violence, particularly when
boracho...bringing their own cultureal mores with them. Mexico for
example..has a total ban on firearms..yet has one of the highest rape
and homicide rates in the world. Its a cultural thing. Machismo first
and foremost. They come to America, are qualified for only the meanest
of labor jobs, but can make, what is to them.damned fine money
(Average wage in Mexico for example..is $5/day..other countries even
lower). Many were affiliated with family or criminal groups in their
own countries..such as MS-13, and join the American branches when they
arrive, providing them some security in a strange new country.

The ability to blend into the population is great, they have easy
access to changes of identity and the "underground" is huge and wide
spread. When they commit a crime, they easily evade law enforcement by
simply moving on, or by getting a new ID. Or simply going back across
the border until the heat dies down. Movement across the border is
easy, once they have friends and family in the US, and as I
said..changes of identity easy. I can get a new set of ID, right down
to the pocket lint, for at most $150, at any swap meet or public park,
here in So. Cal. So the opportunity for those of criminal bent to get
away with it is very easy.

Until very recently..hispanics are listed as "caucasian" in the crime
stats..so their actual effect on the crime rates has been harder to
define, but the FBI (Ive posted the links) and the DOJ have been
breaking it down and yes..Illegals make up a large portion of the
criminals who commit acts of violence.

The city and county of Los Angeles for example, report that between 28
and 33% of their jail and prison populations are illegals. Few are
asian or "other" nationalities. Its the culture, unfortunately, as is
the black population, which makes up about 19% of our citizens..but
make up about 48% of our prison populations (nation wide)..another
group that is unfortunately way too over represented in the penal
system.

Its NOT the race..but the cultures they come from, and the attitudes
and mind sets they carry as a result, plus the ease with which they
move inside the US..and sadly..the opportunities to commit crimes are
myriad..as is the low likely hood of being caught the
first/second/third time they commit one.

So the social costs, just in crime alone, not counting the entitlement
costs, of illegals in the US, is a burden that every one has to
bear..and its a huge one.

Low wages? Indeed. Illegals harm both legal aliens and illegal aliens
by providing a low skilled labor force desperate to earn any amount of
money and bringing the wages down for all. In fact..the group most
hurt by illegals, are blacks. Historically, blacks have filled most of
the low skill, bottom tier labor force and they have been edged out by
a group who is willing to perform the same jobs for half of the
traditional wages. This can be seen in ag, construction, service
industry and so forth.

Illegals really dont directly hurt the middle class, except in crime,
increased taxes to cover their social and penal costs, and in many
cases, lowered property values. But those costs alone are
exceptionally high in many parts of the US. California for example has
lost 87 emergency rooms in the last 10 yrs, with more desperatly
trying to stay afloat. And Im sure I dont have to tell you why..or do
I? It appears your ignorance is boundless on this subject.

I wonder...do you have ANY idea of why blacks and hispanics make up a
significant portion of the anti-illegal groups, the Minutemen
included?
Obviously your kneejerk cry of "racism" has fallen flat on its face.
so dont bother with that bull**** mantra. Actually do some research,
get off your fat white ass and look at the problem..instead of
parroting some leftist propaganda sound bites.

It will be an eye opener for you.

Gunner Asch


To be perfectly honest, I have different priorities than you do, when it
comes to dealing with violence. I'm more focused on why three or four
elected officials and one or two shady advisors continue to live in luxury,
at known addresses, even though they're responsible for the deaths of 2800
Americans.

OT: Wake Up And Smell The Invasion !!!!
 

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:51:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in
message ...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote:


You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails.

They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch.


Nope..they all have to originate from or
several others with spam protection built in

And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme
of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I
note in disgust in passing

Snicker

Gunner

Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the
presence of cheaper workers?

It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if he
was employed.


Here's what's NOT obvious to him: The financial structure of many American
manufacturers has been completely reshaped around the idea of having goods
made overseas where labor is cheaper. This trend probably won't be reversed
unless we go to war with China, or when machinery is invented which can make
things even cheaper at plants in this country. In other words, the system is
here to stay.

The other factor which pushes this trend is our price expectations. I just
emailed Lands End to check my memory, but if I recall the last time I bought
American made dress shirts from them, they cost $25-$30, maybe more. That
was at least 10 years ago. I wonder what they'd cost now if they were still
made here. I would've paid more because I tend to take good care of them,
but somehow, they (and LL Bean, Van Heusen and everyone else) got the idea
that it was better to have them made overseas. But, I may not be the typical
buyer.

No..you are not. You shop like a yuppie. Eastern nor Northwestern
Yuppie at that.

This relates to illegal workers because we are also accustomed to certain
price levels for goods and services created here. I've paid between 99 cents
and $1.79 per pound for Romaine or green leaf lettuce over the past couple
of years, depending on season. I wonder how Gunner would react if lettuce
suddenly cost $4.00 per pound because the harvesting had to be done by
citizens who expected quite a bit more than minimum wage for the hard work.

It wouldnt bother me in the slightest..as you keep forgetting
something..we will pay on one end of the chain or the other. Increased
costs of goods and services, or increased taxes and infrastructure
costs to cover the societal costs of illegals. Chuckle..Im quite
familiar with economics of this issue. Btw...it would only increase
the price of a head of lettuce(US produced) by about $.17)

I suspect Gunner has not spent any time in a restaurant kitchen, either. In
his book about the restaurant business, Anthony Bourdain commented that if
you can't speak a little Spanish, and get along well with foreigners, you
can kiss your restaurant goodbye. Foreigners have been the backbone of
restaurant kitchens for much longer than their immigration status has been a
political football.

Snicker..again you are wrong. Ive many friends who own restaurants, as
well as those who work there. Most of the workers are legals, or low
tier citizens. In many cases..they used to be black, now they are
hispanic.

Assuming you could replace many workers with high school kids (which you
can't, because they don't want these jobs), and your $15.00 entree becomes
much more costly. All the produce that cannot be harvested by machines will
become luxury items, like lobster. Gunner has no solution for this.

Odd..before the sudden influx in the last 15 yrs of illegals..I dont
recall $20 bowls of soup, do you? And what percentage of illegals
actually work in agriculture? Its only a small fraction of the total
influx. In fact..the vast majority of ag workers are campasenos..legal
seasonal workers who go home at the end of the season. They are well
paid, minimum wage or better, just like a citizen would be. The
government has focused on Agriculture..so it tends to be far cleaner
than most other industries in the US as far as legal/illegal
workforces go.

Do either of you buffoons actually live where there is an illegal
workforce? You twits sound like a pair of Beltway or northwestern
upscale yuppies who cant find your ass with either hand. Either in
college, living with mommy and daddy, or working in some job that
seldom gets your hands dirty.

Pitiful actually. Yall need to get out a bit more.

Gunner

Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"

OT: Wake Up And Smell The Invasion !!!!
 

"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:51:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in
message ...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote:


You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails.

They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch.


Nope..they all have to originate from or
several others with spam protection built in

And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme
of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I
note in disgust in passing

Snicker

Gunner

Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the
presence of cheaper workers?

It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if
he
was employed.


Here's what's NOT obvious to him: The financial structure of many American
manufacturers has been completely reshaped around the idea of having goods
made overseas where labor is cheaper. This trend probably won't be
reversed
unless we go to war with China, or when machinery is invented which can
make
things even cheaper at plants in this country. In other words, the system
is
here to stay.

The other factor which pushes this trend is our price expectations. I just
emailed Lands End to check my memory, but if I recall the last time I
bought
American made dress shirts from them, they cost $25-$30, maybe more. That
was at least 10 years ago. I wonder what they'd cost now if they were
still
made here. I would've paid more because I tend to take good care of them,
but somehow, they (and LL Bean, Van Heusen and everyone else) got the idea
that it was better to have them made overseas. But, I may not be the
typical
buyer.

No..you are not. You shop like a yuppie. Eastern nor Northwestern
Yuppie at that.

Really? Because of the source? Show me another place to get long & tall size
shirts which don't also have an extra yard of material around the middle for
fat slobs. Be sure you've bought from this source, as well as the other two,
so you're positive the quality's the same. Or, keep the advice.



This relates to illegal workers because we are also accustomed to certain
price levels for goods and services created here. I've paid between 99
cents
and $1.79 per pound for Romaine or green leaf lettuce over the past couple
of years, depending on season. I wonder how Gunner would react if lettuce
suddenly cost $4.00 per pound because the harvesting had to be done by
citizens who expected quite a bit more than minimum wage for the hard
work.

It wouldnt bother me in the slightest..as you keep forgetting
something..we will pay on one end of the chain or the other. Increased
costs of goods and services, or increased taxes and infrastructure
costs to cover the societal costs of illegals. Chuckle..Im quite
familiar with economics of this issue. Btw...it would only increase
the price of a head of lettuce(US produced) by about $.17)

Obesity puts a huge strain on the medical system in this country. Nobody
wants to throw fatsos out of the country.



I suspect Gunner has not spent any time in a restaurant kitchen, either.
In
his book about the restaurant business, Anthony Bourdain commented that if
you can't speak a little Spanish, and get along well with foreigners, you
can kiss your restaurant goodbye. Foreigners have been the backbone of
restaurant kitchens for much longer than their immigration status has been
a
political football.

Snicker..again you are wrong. Ive many friends who own restaurants, as
well as those who work there. Most of the workers are legals, or low
tier citizens. In many cases..they used to be black, now they are
hispanic.

Your job has apparently taken you to every restaurant in America. Nice work,
if you can get it.




Assuming you could replace many workers with high school kids (which you
can't, because they don't want these jobs), and your $15.00 entree becomes
much more costly. All the produce that cannot be harvested by machines
will
become luxury items, like lobster. Gunner has no solution for this.

Odd..before the sudden influx in the last 15 yrs of illegals..I dont
recall $20 bowls of soup, do you? And what percentage of illegals
actually work in agriculture? Its only a small fraction of the total
influx. In fact..the vast majority of ag workers are campasenos..legal
seasonal workers who go home at the end of the season. They are well
paid, minimum wage or better, just like a citizen would be. The
government has focused on Agriculture..so it tends to be far cleaner
than most other industries in the US as far as legal/illegal
workforces go.

Do either of you buffoons actually live where there is an illegal
workforce? You twits sound like a pair of Beltway or northwestern
upscale yuppies who cant find your ass with either hand. Either in
college, living with mommy and daddy, or working in some job that
seldom gets your hands dirty.

Umm...upstate New York. Now, you'll probably say something I'm accustomed to
hearing in the rec.guns newsgroup, from people who've never set foot out of
Lower Podunk, KY. Surprise me.

OT: Wake Up And Smell The Invasion !!!!
 

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:22:32 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"

Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the
presence of cheaper workers?

It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if
he
was employed.

Its obvious you are a buffoon. See my previous post of a few moments
ago. I have fun pulling you twits chain..because your bias and
ignorance is boundless.


Name and phone number?


"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"

OT: Wake Up And Smell The Invasion !!!!
 

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:35:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:57:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
...


The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in
the United States" (CIUS).
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/

In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000
of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent
crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc.

GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for
which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners,
12% had been arrested for violent crimes.
http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html

There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of
those are illegal aliens.

Conclusions:
* Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't
know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4%
of residents.
* Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those
arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K.
12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%)
* 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT
illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent
crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives,
naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%.

What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal
underworld? It's BAD.

In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be:
333 illegal aliens, of those
9 are jailed, and of those
1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309
illegal aliens.

Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be:
60 jailed, and of those
3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per
3,729 non-aliens.

So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent
crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 /
309 = 12.1)



Two things:

1) My toaster failed to kill me for the 8 billionth time. Has it made a
tactical error?


2) Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are
overrepresented in the prisons.


http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Interesting stats. What do they mean to you?

It means that there are certain segments of our society who are more
prone to crime/violence than others, for a number of reasons.

And what do they mean to you?

Gunner

Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"

OT: Wake Up And Smell The Invasion !!!!
 

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:53:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


It will be an eye opener for you.

Gunner Asch


To be perfectly honest, I have different priorities than you do, when it
comes to dealing with violence. I'm more focused on why three or four
elected officials and one or two shady advisors continue to live in luxury,
at known addresses, even though they're responsible for the deaths of 2800
Americans.

So in other words..you are a preprogrammed partisan hack with only one
agenda and admittedly ignorant as a bag of hammers about the illegal
issue, about which you have expounded at some length.

Would that be a fair summation?

Gunner Asch
Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"

OT: Wake Up And Smell The Invasion !!!!
 

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:35:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:57:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
m...


The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in
the United States" (CIUS).
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/

In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000
of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent
crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc.

GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for
which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners,
12% had been arrested for violent crimes.
http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html

There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of
those are illegal aliens.

Conclusions:
* Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't
know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4%
of residents.
* Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those
arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K.
12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%)
* 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT
illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent
crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives,
naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%.

What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal
underworld? It's BAD.

In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be:
333 illegal aliens, of those
9 are jailed, and of those
1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309
illegal aliens.

Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be:
60 jailed, and of those
3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per
3,729 non-aliens.

So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent
crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 /
309 = 12.1)



Two things:

1) My toaster failed to kill me for the 8 billionth time. Has it made a
tactical error?


2) Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are
overrepresented in the prisons.


http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Interesting stats. What do they mean to you?

It means that there are certain segments of our society who are more
prone to crime/violence than others, for a number of reasons.

And what do they mean to you?

Gunner

I agree with your last statement. But, those numbers don't indicate anything
about illegal immigrants unless more detail is provided.

OT: Wake Up And Smell The Invasion !!!!
 

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:07:30 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote:




"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:22:32 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"

Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the
presence of cheaper workers?

It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if
he
was employed.

Its obvious you are a buffoon. See my previous post of a few moments
ago. I have fun pulling you twits chain..because your bias and
ignorance is boundless.


Name and phone number?

Of whom/what?

Gunner



"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"


Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"

OT: Wake Up And Smell The Invasion !!!!
 

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:06:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:51:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in
message ...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote:


You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails.

They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch.


Nope..they all have to originate from or
several others with spam protection built in

And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme
of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I
note in disgust in passing

Snicker

Gunner

Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the
presence of cheaper workers?

It's obvious that his job would be threatened by cheap workers even if
he
was employed.


Here's what's NOT obvious to him: The financial structure of many American
manufacturers has been completely reshaped around the idea of having goods
made overseas where labor is cheaper. This trend probably won't be
reversed
unless we go to war with China, or when machinery is invented which can
make
things even cheaper at plants in this country. In other words, the system
is
here to stay.

The other factor which pushes this trend is our price expectations. I just
emailed Lands End to check my memory, but if I recall the last time I
bought
American made dress shirts from them, they cost $25-$30, maybe more. That
was at least 10 years ago. I wonder what they'd cost now if they were
still
made here. I would've paid more because I tend to take good care of them,
but somehow, they (and LL Bean, Van Heusen and everyone else) got the idea
that it was better to have them made overseas. But, I may not be the
typical
buyer.

No..you are not. You shop like a yuppie. Eastern nor Northwestern
Yuppie at that.

Really? Because of the source? Show me another place to get long & tall size
shirts which don't also have an extra yard of material around the middle for
fat slobs. Be sure you've bought from this source, as well as the other two,
so you're positive the quality's the same. Or, keep the advice.

Shepplers, Sears Big and Tall, Dahles, just to name a few.

Btw..Im 6'3, 210, 18" neck, 36" waist, with a 34-36" inseam. When I
stand, and look down..I can see my belt buckle. I wear a 48 coat.

Hardly a "fat slob" eh?


This relates to illegal workers because we are also accustomed to certain
price levels for goods and services created here. I've paid between 99
cents
and $1.79 per pound for Romaine or green leaf lettuce over the past couple
of years, depending on season. I wonder how Gunner would react if lettuce
suddenly cost $4.00 per pound because the harvesting had to be done by
citizens who expected quite a bit more than minimum wage for the hard
work.

It wouldnt bother me in the slightest..as you keep forgetting
something..we will pay on one end of the chain or the other. Increased
costs of goods and services, or increased taxes and infrastructure
costs to cover the societal costs of illegals. Chuckle..Im quite
familiar with economics of this issue. Btw...it would only increase
the price of a head of lettuce(US produced) by about $.17)

Obesity puts a huge strain on the medical system in this country. Nobody
wants to throw fatsos out of the country.



I suspect Gunner has not spent any time in a restaurant kitchen, either.
In
his book about the restaurant business, Anthony Bourdain commented that if
you can't speak a little Spanish, and get along well with foreigners, you
can kiss your restaurant goodbye. Foreigners have been the backbone of
restaurant kitchens for much longer than their immigration status has been
a
political football.

Snicker..again you are wrong. Ive many friends who own restaurants, as
well as those who work there. Most of the workers are legals, or low
tier citizens. In many cases..they used to be black, now they are
hispanic.

Your job has apparently taken you to every restaurant in America. Nice work,
if you can get it.


So your job HAS taken you to every restaurant in America? Food critic
perhaps? And you dont buy fat slob clothes?



Assuming you could replace many workers with high school kids (which you
can't, because they don't want these jobs), and your $15.00 entree becomes
much more costly. All the produce that cannot be harvested by machines
will
become luxury items, like lobster. Gunner has no solution for this.

Odd..before the sudden influx in the last 15 yrs of illegals..I dont
recall $20 bowls of soup, do you? And what percentage of illegals
actually work in agriculture? Its only a small fraction of the total
influx. In fact..the vast majority of ag workers are campasenos..legal
seasonal workers who go home at the end of the season. They are well
paid, minimum wage or better, just like a citizen would be. The
government has focused on Agriculture..so it tends to be far cleaner
than most other industries in the US as far as legal/illegal
workforces go.

Do either of you buffoons actually live where there is an illegal
workforce? You twits sound like a pair of Beltway or northwestern
upscale yuppies who cant find your ass with either hand. Either in
college, living with mommy and daddy, or working in some job that
seldom gets your hands dirty.

Umm...upstate New York. Now, you'll probably say something I'm accustomed to
hearing in the rec.guns newsgroup, from people who've never set foot out of
Lower Podunk, KY. Surprise me.

Upscale NY..now there is a hotbed of illegal aliens. Oh **** yes.

The Finger Lakes are beautiful this time of the year, arent they?

So...it appears you have confirmed my comments on needing to get out a
bit more. Pity.

Gunner, posting from Ontario, California..later this evening will be
traveling to his home outside of Bakersfield, in Californias Central
Valley.


Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"