OK, I've seen a lot of people selling boats with "no" titles. What's
the deal? Do people just lose them?

I's seen some pretty nice runabouts and cuddies with "no title" even
from boat dealerships that were listed as "recent trad-ins" thats
wierd.

Anyhow, I've seen a coule I'd like to snag, but am leary about the "no
title" thing. and how difficult is it to get a title? a lot of red
tape?

Also, I've seen out of state boats that don't require a title at all,
or so it is stated. But a bill of sale is provided. Is this also a red
flag? And if not, then how does one take a boat from out of state, even
with current conservation numbers on the bow, and re-register them in
your home state?

BTW, and FWIW, I live in Illinois.


Thanks!

wrote:

Some states consider boats " miscellaneous personal property" rather
than "vessels" and don't issue titles, but most states will issue a
registration so that they have a means to collect tax. No documented
vessel has a state title, but nearly all in the US will have a state
registration, once again for tax purposes.

If there's no title, it wouldn't be overly cautious to ask to see a
current registration and to confirm that the registered state is a
"non-title" state for boats.

Is the boat on a trailer? It may be that the trailer has a vehicular
title in a state, even if the boat is considered personal property and
does not.

Be really careful. It wouldn't hurt to run the HIN past the license
departments of a few neighboring states to see if there is a record
there. What you don't want to do would be to pay $20,000 for a used
boat and then have some bank from a neighboring state with an
unsatisfied lien show up and tow it away........

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 19 Oct 2006 16:02:30 -0700, wrote:

OK, I've seen a lot of people selling boats with "no" titles. What's
the deal? Do people just lose them?

There are states that don't issue titles for boats - CT is one of
them.

It can be a hassle if you live in a title state and buy a boat from a
non-title state.



Yep. Don't even try it in MA.

Eisboch

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Not in CT. Trailers are also non-title.

Be really careful. It wouldn't hurt to run the HIN past the license
departments of a few neighboring states to see if there is a record
there. What you don't want to do would be to pay $20,000 for a used
boat and then have some bank from a neighboring state with an
unsatisfied lien show up and tow it away........

In CT, HINs are not cross referenced with registrations. The trailers
are cross referenced with the VINs, but not the boats.


In MA trailers of less than 3000 lb GVW do not require titles although you
can request one.
I did for the Haulmark trailer and motorcycle trailer only because it can't
hurt to have one should you need it to sell out of state.

Eisboch

If that be the case, and I'm sure it is... Then how do you get license
plates for a trailer with no title? and if you sell the trailor, how
does the new owner get the trailer put in his/her name?



Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Not in CT. Trailers are also non-title.

Be really careful. It wouldn't hurt to run the HIN past the license
departments of a few neighboring states to see if there is a record
there. What you don't want to do would be to pay $20,000 for a used
boat and then have some bank from a neighboring state with an
unsatisfied lien show up and tow it away........

In CT, HINs are not cross referenced with registrations. The trailers
are cross referenced with the VINs, but not the boats.


In MA trailers of less than 3000 lb GVW do not require titles although you
can request one.
I did for the Haulmark trailer and motorcycle trailer only because it can't
hurt to have one should you need it to sell out of state.

Eisboch

wrote in message
oups.com...

If that be the case, and I'm sure it is... Then how do you get license
plates for a trailer with no title? and if you sell the trailor, how
does the new owner get the trailer put in his/her name?




You just present a bill of sale at the registry. If the trailer is new,
they also take the certificate of origin.
Unless you ask for one, they don't require you to apply for a title.

When you sell it within MA, again all you need is a bill of sale. I
requested (and paid for) titles just in case I ever sold them to someone in
a state that requires titles.

Trailers over 3000 lb GVW have to be titled. I suppose in a while that
will be extended to all trailers.
Until fairly recently, you used to be able to register cars that were more
than XX years old without a title, just a bill of sale. They changed that
so now you have to have a title which can present potential problems for
someone like me who enjoys buying old cars. Without a title you simply
cannot register a motor vehicle here anymore.

Eisboch

you need to ask your state dmv to list which states you can get a boat
from with NO TITLE and get a title in your state.
Here in new jersey, they always want a title or current registration
from the current owner.
I have gone to dmv with notorized bills of sale from other states and
NJDMV refused to assist me.
I had to resell the boats.

sonofadocker

wrote:
OK, I've seen a lot of people selling boats with "no" titles. What's
the deal? Do people just lose them?

I's seen some pretty nice runabouts and cuddies with "no title" even
from boat dealerships that were listed as "recent trad-ins" thats
wierd.

Anyhow, I've seen a coule I'd like to snag, but am leary about the "no
title" thing. and how difficult is it to get a title? a lot of red
tape?

Also, I've seen out of state boats that don't require a title at all,
or so it is stated. But a bill of sale is provided. Is this also a red
flag? And if not, then how does one take a boat from out of state, even
with current conservation numbers on the bow, and re-register them in
your home state?

BTW, and FWIW, I live in Illinois.


Thanks!

sonofadocker wrote:
I have gone to dmv with notorized bills of sale from other states and
NJDMV refused to assist me.
I had to resell the boats.

sonofadocker


That's what I'm afraid of.

On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:14:35 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

OK, I've seen a lot of people selling boats with "no" titles. What's
the deal? Do people just lose them?

There is a little known trick in FL that I have seen used
successfully. First register the boat in a non-title state like
Georgia, and then transfer it again, requesting a new title.

FWIW, CA issues titles for both boat and trailer.

--Mike

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 19 Oct 2006 17:48:24 -0700, wrote:

If that be the case, and I'm sure it is... Then how do you get license
plates for a trailer with no title? and if you sell the trailor, how
does the new owner get the trailer put in his/her name?

In CT, it's just a question of having a proper notarized bill of sale
and a VIN. If the trailer doesn't have a VIN, it requires an
inspection at which time the Inspector will assign and afix a VIN to
the trailer. At that point, it's a little more official and with the
VIN, allows it to be traced and thus registered.

I assume it's the same in most states that don't require titles. I
would find out if the trailer was or is currently registered and what
the VIN is. The Registry can run a NAIS search against the VIN to
check it's stolen status if any.