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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... jim-- wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "jim--" wrote in message ... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Seems to me to be nothing more than a lot of opinion presented as facts. ;-) The facts that we rank no higher than 20th in infant survival (no smart remarks about abortion), that our kids are only slightly better immunized than those in Botswana, and that life expectancy for both men and women is lower here than in most industrialized nations aren't "opinions." but rather statistics. We do have the finest health care money can buy, if you are in the decreasing percentage of the population with money enough to buy it. But why not? Why shouldn't the average cough-and-sniffles pediatrician haul in $250,000 salary a year and actual "miracle workers" (oncologists, brain surgeons, etc) over 7-figures? Our system is becoming one of the super-elite catering to the super-elite. It's the middle class that gets screwed the worst- the dirt poor will be taken care of by the state, the very rich get decent health care as a company perk, and the middle class guy earning $1250 a week is hammered for 20% of his pre-tax income to pay for a family's health insurance. Blame the legal system for allowing multi million dollar settlements, causing insurance rates for doctors and for families to skyrocket. Fix that problem first. You WON'T fix that problem anytime soon. Meanwhile, the real reason you object to universal health care is that it fits your 6th grade understanding of socialism. Dennis never completed the 6th grade... -- A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush; A vote for Bush is a vote for Apocalypse. 2 very intelligent replies addressing the issue at hand. There's no evidence from your postings here that you ever completed the sixth grade. You don't write well, you don't read well, and you seem to have lots of problems with abstract thinking. Plus, you are suffering from early onset Alzheimer's. -- A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush; A vote for Bush is a vote for Apocalypse. Quite frankly I could care less what you think of me. *I* know I am more successful, more intelligent and live a very happy life...one I do not have to fabricate to try to seem important in an obscure boating NG. So how is that custom made 36 foot lobster boat and your doctor doctor wife? LOL! |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in Are these illegal immigrants? Or refugee status? I would think a combination. Can't be a refugee and an illegal immigrant at the same time. Once is recognized as entering legally while the other is recognized as entering illegaly. |
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... Can't be a refugee and an illegal immigrant at the same time. Once is recognized as entering legally while the other is recognized as entering illegaly. I'm sure Bill understood that some 'new arrivals' could be classified as refugee and some as illegal immigrants. Most enter legally as our Federal Gov't has a policy to attract approx. 200k yearly. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html |
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:45:59 -0400, NOYB wrote:
But who the hell wants to move to Canada? "Canada absorbs more immigrants per capita than any other country." From: http://www.how2immigrate.net/canada/ |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Bert Robbins" wrote in message Name one other country that will let you enter it illegally and start sucklinig at the goverment teat? You're not so special. Canada has similar policies for certain groups in certain situations. Are these illegal immigrants? Or refugee status? If it weren't for illegals, you'd be outa business. -- A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush; A vote for Bush is a vote for Apocalypse. |
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jim-- wrote:
Quite frankly I could care less what you think of me. *I* know I am more successful, more intelligent and live a very happy life...one I do not have to fabricate to try to seem important in an obscure boating NG. You certainly have earned your ignorance, Mr. LOL Alzheimer's. What was your wife's name? Do you remember? -- A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush; A vote for Bush is a vote for Apocalypse. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Bert Robbins" wrote in message Name one other country that will let you enter it illegally and start sucklinig at the goverment teat? You're not so special. Canada has similar policies for certain groups in certain situations. Are these illegal immigrants? Or refugee status? If it weren't for illegals, you'd be outa business. -- A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush; A vote for Bush is a vote for Apocalypse. I see you do not know much about business either. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Bert Robbins" wrote in message Name one other country that will let you enter it illegally and start sucklinig at the goverment teat? You're not so special. Canada has similar policies for certain groups in certain situations. Are these illegal immigrants? Or refugee status? If it weren't for illegals, you'd be outa business. -- A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush; A vote for Bush is a vote for Apocalypse. I see you do not know much about business either. Sure I do, bill. You operate as an unlicensed contractor, without workers' comp insurance for your day laborers, whom you pick up at shape-ups, and you're resentful of those contractors who play by the rules and get jobs where they have to post bonds and prove they carry the proper insurance. -- A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush; A vote for Bush is a vote for Apocalypse. |
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Chuck, within three blocks of my house are six houses which have been
purchased by Mexican families, extended families! In each yard and driveway are from six to nine automobiles and/or pickups. The house next to me sold for $549,000 last month. With four or five family groups (or singles) putting their incomes (welfare checks?) toward the mortgage, they can qualify for a loan. I don't need sorrow. You should thank your lucky stars you've got some industrious new Hispanic neighbors. When I was in the used car business, I always did a certain amount of "buy here, pay here" transactions. I took a chance on a few hundred BHPH people over the years, and probably half of them bit me in the butt as a result. I've chased cars in the middle of the night, hired OOS repo companies, and I narrowly escaped with my life on one memorable repo. I did this kind of business because the other half of the BHPH customers, (the ones that didn't wind up getting impounded outside a Jr. High School with a trunk load of dope......yeah, really) used the opportunity to make something out of their lives. Put a guy in a reaonably reliable old beater, and he can get to work 5-6 days a week. A struggling single mom can get the kids into after school activities if they don't have to ride the school bus....etc. I had a number of customers eventually "graduate" to a point where their credit allowed them to get a loan from a real bank, instead of Foolish Gould's High Risk Portfolio. At least one family qualified for a home mortgage, and they took the time to drop by the lot and thank me for giving them a chance to start their credit when nobody else would touch them. I only mention this because, even though I am absolutely against racial stereotyping, my Hispanic customers were the least hassle of anybody. (Worst? Young single white men.) If your new neighbors are anything at all like the Hispanics I have met over the years, they are one of the few immigrant groups who aspire to the "traditional" American dream. They want to assimilate and be American. Yes, the first generation will speak Spanish, but they will take pride in how well their kids speak English. Most of the Hispanics I have dealt with over the years are willing to work hard and earn their keep. They take pride in providing for their families and paying bills on time. (It's a sort of "macho" thing, in a way). We white folks, (I am presuming, based on previous comments you have made that you are white), tend to look at people who immigrated here from Europe and say "Look, there goes a good American!" In another generation, some of the "best" Americans will be from Asia and Latin America. Count on it. Many of the folks from those cultural backgrounds are just plain willing to outwork and outsave the rest of us. And lastly, see if you can figure out who is making mortgage loans for 1/2 million dollar homes to welfare recipients. I seriously doubt that any of your local banks are doing that. (Bank loans are subject to regulatory audit....nobody is going to approve making a RE loan to a loosely assembled group of welfare recipients). If you *should* find a local bank making half million dollar mortgage loans to people on welfare, either borrow as much as you can as fast as you can from them or get every last dime of your money transferred somewhere else. :-) |
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Name one other country that will let you enter it illegally and start
sucklinig at the goverment teat? Spelling not withstanding, what you DON'T understand is the fact that we allow these aliens here purely to exploit them. They work here, they spend here, they pay taxes here. They should be entitled to the purveyances that those sales taxes are meant to provide. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message
... On 25 Jul 2004 03:31:20 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Don't pick on John H for posting this. It's more appropriate to feel sorry for him if he lives in a neighborhood where houses sell so cheaply they are purchased by welfare recipients. Most of what he describes was eliminated when the Republican Congress and the last Democratic President cooperated to accomplish some meaningful welfare reform several years ago. Why is it that the old stereotypes survive years and years after the facts have changed? Is it because it's so much fun to bitch and moan about the poor and/or minorities? Symptom of frustrated white man: "It's somebody else's fault I haven't succeeded." I think it's beneath John H to promulgate this baseless stereotype. He's normally more tuned in than that. Chuck, within three blocks of my house are six houses which have been purchased by Mexican families, extended families! In each yard and driveway are from six to nine automobiles and/or pickups. The house next to me sold for $549,000 last month. With four or five family groups (or singles) putting their incomes (welfare checks?) toward the mortgage, they can qualify for a loan. An acquaintance's cousin bought a double house. Her mom lives in the other half. The mom's in her 60s and a workholic. She loves being busy. The younger woman is in her 40s, with a 16 yr old son. For reasons nobody in the family understands, the younger woman doesn't have a job. She smart and healthy. She's been living on government assistance for the past 3 years. I think it deserves looking into before any more of her kind come here from their homeland. Her dad's Polish and her mom's Irish. Any more knucklehead generalizations? |
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JohnH wrote:
Chuck, within three blocks of my house are six houses which have been purchased by Mexican families, extended families! In each yard and driveway are from six to nine automobiles and/or pickups. The house next to me sold for $549,000 last month. With four or five family groups (or singles) putting their incomes (welfare checks?) toward the mortgage, they can qualify for a loan. You should introduce yourself to these Mexicans...I'll bet they all work hard, and have good, strong family values, and those attributes would be an eye-opener for someone like you, who has spent his career hiding out in the military and not teaching in the public schools. Welfare checks...what an asshole you are, Herring. No ethnic group in the United States works harder and at crappier jobs than Hispanics. You're a racist piece of crap. -- A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush; A vote for Bush is a vote for Apocalypse. |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:45:59 -0400, NOYB wrote: But who the hell wants to move to Canada? "Canada absorbs more immigrants per capita than any other country." From: http://www.how2immigrate.net/canada/ "Some industry experts call this a "brain drain," as the best and brightest Canadian workers are flocking to the United States in search of higher salaries." See! Only the dumb ones remain. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message "Some industry experts call this a "brain drain," as the best and brightest Canadian workers are flocking to the United States in search of higher salaries." See! Only the dumb ones remain. Careful there Dr. No. We've got enough snowbirds to track you down with the few clues we do have. Lets see: dentist in or near naples about mid thirties tends to blab on about gov't policies owns a boat can anyone else add clues to helpout? |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message "Some industry experts call this a "brain drain," as the best and brightest Canadian workers are flocking to the United States in search of higher salaries." See! Only the dumb ones remain. Careful there Dr. No. We've got enough snowbirds to track you down with the few clues we do have. Lets see: dentist in or near naples about mid thirties tends to blab on about gov't policies owns a boat can anyone else add clues to helpout? Not only crosses the street when he sees anyone who's not a cracker, but calls for a police escort. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message "Some industry experts call this a "brain drain," as the best and brightest Canadian workers are flocking to the United States in search of higher salaries." See! Only the dumb ones remain. Careful there Dr. No. We've got enough snowbirds to track you down with the few clues we do have. Lets see: dentist in or near naples about mid thirties tends to blab on about gov't policies owns a boat can anyone else add clues to helpout? Owns *two* boats 3 kids Mechanical Engineering degree from Purdue University 2 W'04 bumper stickers on my car Pick up the phone and call one of your friends who moved to the U.S. They're the smart ones...so they can probably help you link the clues together. ;-) |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... You should introduce yourself to these Mexicans...I'll bet they all work hard, and have good, strong family values, and those attributes would be an eye-opener for someone like you, who has spent his career hiding out in the military and not teaching in the public schools. Welfare checks...what an asshole you are, Herring. No ethnic group in the United States works harder and at crappier jobs than Hispanics. I have to side with Harry on this one. The Mexicans (and other hispanic workers) here in Southwest Florida (and there's a lot of 'em) are some of the hardest-working and most-reliable people you can do business with. They also work in a variety of outdoor jobs that would send most gringos to the hospital with heat exhaustion. Fortunately, most of them are employed by bosses who are also Mexican, but had the smarts to go out on their own and work for themselves. I have as patients a wife and husband who both passed the General Contracting exam last month...and are now licensed contractors. They were in the drywall business before, but are now getting into new-home contruction. I guarantee that if you built a house with them, it would be on time and within budget...which is more than I can say for even the most-reputable non-hispanic GC's down here. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message "Some industry experts call this a "brain drain," as the best and brightest Canadian workers are flocking to the United States in search of higher salaries." See! Only the dumb ones remain. Careful there Dr. No. We've got enough snowbirds to track you down with the few clues we do have. Lets see: dentist in or near naples about mid thirties tends to blab on about gov't policies owns a boat can anyone else add clues to helpout? I can: I have his name, address and many other particulars, and have had them for a long time. You should. I sent you an e-mail about a year and a half ago. .. |
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message "Some industry experts call this a "brain drain," as the best and brightest Canadian workers are flocking to the United States in search of higher salaries." See! Only the dumb ones remain. Careful there Dr. No. We've got enough snowbirds to track you down with the few clues we do have. Lets see: dentist in or near naples about mid thirties tends to blab on about gov't policies owns a boat can anyone else add clues to helpout? I can: I have his name, address and many other particulars, and have had them for a long time. You should. I sent you an e-mail about a year and a half ago. Worry not, fella. Your "secrets" are safe with me. -- A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush; A vote for Bush is a vote for Apocalypse. |
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message "Some industry experts call this a "brain drain," as the best and brightest Canadian workers are flocking to the United States in search of higher salaries." See! Only the dumb ones remain. Careful there Dr. No. We've got enough snowbirds to track you down with the few clues we do have. Lets see: dentist in or near naples about mid thirties tends to blab on about gov't policies owns a boat can anyone else add clues to helpout? I can: I have his name, address and many other particulars, and have had them for a long time. You should. I sent you an e-mail about a year and a half ago. Worry not, fella. Your "secrets" are safe with me. Even my worst secret wouldn't cause a ripple in today's sea of morality and ethics. Yeah...what about that evening of Muskrat Fun? -- A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush; A vote for Bush is a vote for Apocalypse. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message "Some industry experts call this a "brain drain," as the best and brightest Canadian workers are flocking to the United States in search of higher salaries." See! Only the dumb ones remain. Careful there Dr. No. We've got enough snowbirds to track you down with the few clues we do have. Lets see: dentist in or near naples about mid thirties tends to blab on about gov't policies owns a boat can anyone else add clues to helpout? I can: I have his name, address and many other particulars, and have had them for a long time. You should. I sent you an e-mail about a year and a half ago. Worry not, fella. Your "secrets" are safe with me. Even my worst secret wouldn't cause a ripple in today's sea of morality and ethics. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message "Some industry experts call this a "brain drain," as the best and brightest Canadian workers are flocking to the United States in search of higher salaries." See! Only the dumb ones remain. Careful there Dr. No. We've got enough snowbirds to track you down with the few clues we do have. Lets see: dentist in or near naples about mid thirties tends to blab on about gov't policies owns a boat can anyone else add clues to helpout? I can: I have his name, address and many other particulars, and have had them for a long time. You should. I sent you an e-mail about a year and a half ago. Worry not, fella. Your "secrets" are safe with me. Even my worst secret wouldn't cause a ripple in today's sea of morality and ethics. Yeah...what about that evening of Muskrat Fun? They were open-minded Muskrat's...and I had consent. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message
... I do agree that Mexicans are hard workers. I don't, however, like what is occurring in my neighborhood with several families living in one house, cars parked in the yard, loud parties, etc. I will admit that they have calmed down after a few police calls, but it shouldn't be necessary. My S.O. grew up in a nice neighorhood in Puerto Rico. Many homes have no glass in the windows - just screen and metal shutters. They're used to hearing other peoples' noise, and loud music is far more common than it is here. When I visited, we stayed at her mother's place. I had to move to a hotel after a couple of days. Your Mexican neighbors may've come from a similar environment and haven't gotten used to the customs here yet. Any chance you could go and talk to them? |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:29:17 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... You should introduce yourself to these Mexicans...I'll bet they all work hard, and have good, strong family values, and those attributes would be an eye-opener for someone like you, who has spent his career hiding out in the military and not teaching in the public schools. Welfare checks...what an asshole you are, Herring. No ethnic group in the United States works harder and at crappier jobs than Hispanics. I have to side with Harry on this one. The Mexicans (and other hispanic workers) here in Southwest Florida (and there's a lot of 'em) are some of the hardest-working and most-reliable people you can do business with. They also work in a variety of outdoor jobs that would send most gringos to the hospital with heat exhaustion. Fortunately, most of them are employed by bosses who are also Mexican, but had the smarts to go out on their own and work for themselves. I have as patients a wife and husband who both passed the General Contracting exam last month...and are now licensed contractors. They were in the drywall business before, but are now getting into new-home contruction. I guarantee that if you built a house with them, it would be on time and within budget...which is more than I can say for even the most-reputable non-hispanic GC's down here. Crap, now everyone thinks I'm an asshole. Oh well! You're not an asshole...and I'm not "everyone". I do agree that Mexicans are hard workers. I don't, however, like what is occurring in my neighborhood with several families living in one house, cars parked in the yard, loud parties, etc. I will admit that they have calmed down after a few police calls, but it shouldn't be necessary. Naples has pretty strict and well-enforced ordinances against cars parked in yards, and too many people living in one single-family residence. I guess that's why I don't see what you see as often as you see it. The folks that live in the houses are not the ones purchasing the homes. They appear to be renters. We have strict rental property ordinances as well. Perhaps you need to address this with your county commissioners? |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Your Mexican neighbors may've come from a similar environment and haven't gotten used to the customs here yet. Any chance you could go and talk to them? grin You're assuming that they speak English. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Your Mexican neighbors may've come from a similar environment and haven't gotten used to the customs here yet. Any chance you could go and talk to them? grin You're assuming that they speak English. You're assuming they do not speak English. Or, with a Spanish phrase book and an investment of about 11 minutes, that you could not converse with them just enough to be happy. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Your Mexican neighbors may've come from a similar environment and haven't gotten used to the customs here yet. Any chance you could go and talk to them? grin You're assuming that they speak English. You're assuming they do not speak English. Or, with a Spanish phrase book and an investment of about 11 minutes, that you could not converse with them just enough to be happy. I wouldn't worry...I've met Herring. His skills in speaking American English are...minimal. -- A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush; A vote for Bush is a vote for Apocalypse. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... Naples has pretty strict and well-enforced ordinances against cars parked in yards, and too many people living in one single-family residence. I guess that's why I don't see what you see as often as you see it. We have strict rental property ordinances as well. Perhaps you need to address this with your county commissioners? Isn't that Jim Dandy.....keeps those pesky foreigners at bay! No dirtying up your nice tidy little city. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message "Some industry experts call this a "brain drain," as the best and brightest Canadian workers are flocking to the United States in search of higher salaries." See! Only the dumb ones remain. Careful there Dr. No. We've got enough snowbirds to track you down with the few clues we do have. Lets see: dentist in or near naples about mid thirties tends to blab on about gov't policies owns a boat can anyone else add clues to helpout? I thought there were laws about Internet stalking. |
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... I thought there were laws about Internet stalking. Not this case Bertie...more like a 'public service'. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... I thought there were laws about Internet stalking. Not this case Bertie...more like a 'public service'. Tell that to the judge! |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... Naples has pretty strict and well-enforced ordinances against cars parked in yards, and too many people living in one single-family residence. I guess that's why I don't see what you see as often as you see it. We have strict rental property ordinances as well. Perhaps you need to address this with your county commissioners? Isn't that Jim Dandy.....keeps those pesky foreigners at bay! No dirtying up your nice tidy little city. Called zoning. Keeps those pesky capitolists from building a chemical plant next door to your house. Oh, that's right. You are in Canada, they let you build anything you want, anywhere. |
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NOYB wrote:
I have to side with Harry on this one. Quick! Send some overcoats to Hell. I believe it just froze over. We can probably get a bulk rate shipping them via flying pig. |
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John H wrote:
The folks that live in the houses are not the ones purchasing the homes. They appear to be renters. But yesterday he wrote: Chuck, within three blocks of my house are six houses which have been purchased by Mexican families, extended families! In each yard and driveway are from six to nine automobiles and/or pickups. The house next to me sold for $549,000 last month. With four or five family groups (or singles) putting their incomes (welfare checks?) toward the mortgage, they can qualify for a loan. Have you considered running for public office? :-) |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Called zoning. Keeps those pesky capitolists from building a chemical plant next door to your house. Oh, that's right. You are in Canada, they let you build anything you want, anywhere. Not In My Back Yard! |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Quick! Send some overcoats to Hell. I believe it just froze over. We can probably get a bulk rate shipping them via flying pig. We always said that if we could get Dr. No away from his questionable associates (GOP) aand with some quality de-programming time, there may be some hope for him. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... Naples has pretty strict and well-enforced ordinances against cars parked in yards, and too many people living in one single-family residence. I guess that's why I don't see what you see as often as you see it. We have strict rental property ordinances as well. Perhaps you need to address this with your county commissioners? Isn't that Jim Dandy.....keeps those pesky foreigners at bay! No dirtying up your nice tidy little city. Jim Dandy is one of many names used by basskisser. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... "Don White" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... Naples has pretty strict and well-enforced ordinances against cars parked in yards, and too many people living in one single-family residence. I guess that's why I don't see what you see as often as you see it. We have strict rental property ordinances as well. Perhaps you need to address this with your county commissioners? Isn't that Jim Dandy.....keeps those pesky foreigners at bay! No dirtying up your nice tidy little city. Called zoning. Keeps those pesky capitolists from building a chemical plant next door to your house. Oh, that's right. You are in Canada, they let you build anything you want, anywhere. That's what happens when so few people decide to move to a country that only 3 people occupy every square kilometer. |
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