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tip the marina manager?
I keep my small sailboat in a marina year-round. Is it customary to tip
or give a present to the marina manager at Christmas? How much? This is not a marina for the affluent. My boat is only worth about $1600 and I pay $120 a month for the slip. Thanks in advance! |
tip the marina manager?
wrote: I keep my small sailboat in a marina year-round. Is it customary to tip or give a present to the marina manager at Christmas? How much? This is not a marina for the affluent. My boat is only worth about $1600 and I pay $120 a month for the slip. Thanks in advance! Does he drink? A bottle of hootch might be appropriate at Christmas. Just don't expect to haul it over to his office in a Muslim cab. :-) |
tip the marina manager?
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: I keep my small sailboat in a marina year-round. Is it customary to tip or give a present to the marina manager at Christmas? How much? This is not a marina for the affluent. My boat is only worth about $1600 and I pay $120 a month for the slip. Thanks in advance! Does he drink? A bottle of hootch might be appropriate at Christmas. Just don't expect to haul it over to his office in a Muslim cab. :-) LOL! |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... The finest tip you can give a dock hand is TAKE HIM SAILING! That's why he got the job at the marina in the first place...his love of boats. And, of course, tell him his girlfriend's welcome too. Then, HE will seem like a big man in HER eyes. You will now have an indentured slave. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com... It's a shame that the work ethic has evolved to having to bribe someone to get the service you are already paying for... True, sort of. But, on the other hand, there are often opportunities for new workers to think about better ways of doing their jobs. It's not always that their work ethic is less than it should be. They're just young. These opportunities are not always noticed. But when they are, it can become a path to advancement, maybe more money, or just more job satisfaction. Last year, my son worked as a dishwasher in a restaurant. One night, the place was packed, but nobody new was coming in. So, the kitchen slowed down and he was caught up with his dishwashing, but the dining area was packed. He felt dumb just standing around, so he put on a clean apron, and backed up the waitresses with collecting dishes, filling water glasses, etc. When I picked him up after his shift, he pulled $50 in singles out of his pocket and said "Pops...the waitresses...the think I'm a god or something. They just gave me all this". He could've made a lot of money (for a kid), if the putz owner hadn't gone out of business. |
tip the marina manager?
basskisser wrote: It's a shame that the work ethic has evolved to having to bribe someone to get the service you are already paying for... Or that the human heart has hardened to the point where an annual token of appreciation cannot be considered anything other than a bribe, as well as unneccessary, because, after all, the service was "paid for". We now encounter tip jars almost everywhere we go. I have a tough time justifying a tip when there has been no personal service rendered. I hate to admit it, but when I get to the head of the line in a self-service cafeteria (where you gather your own food and are expected to clear your own table) I seldom feel compelled to drop a buck or so into the jar labeled "college fund" for the benefit of a surly, disinterested cashier who doesn't smile, doesn't look me in the eye, and whose only service is a few keypunches and announcing, "$8.35, please." Some people seem well suited to minimum wage employment. Proliferating tip jars may reflect the economic fact that wages in general have been pretty flat for several years. Management may be responding to some of the requests for increases with "Naw, not this year. But you can put out a tip jar if you want to." Our service industry workers are being reduced to begging, and that's pretty sad. The situation with this marina manager is different. He most likely isn't soliciting tips and doesn't expect a tip in the course of his daily or even monthly duties. A $20 bottle of booze, a couple of decent cigars, a pair of tickets to the ballpark, or whatever else depending on what the guy likes to do is different than an attitude of "I won't lift a finger to keep your boat secure and protected unless I am regularly tipped, and the amount work I do on your behalf will depend entirely upon the amount and frequency of your tips". So I disagree that the marina manager is trying to bribe the OP. A tip in this case would probably be a sincere expression of appreciation for personal service rendered, not a substitute for an equitable wage or a bribe to get any service at all. |
tip the marina manager?
JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... It's a shame that the work ethic has evolved to having to bribe someone to get the service you are already paying for... True, sort of. But, on the other hand, there are often opportunities for new workers to think about better ways of doing their jobs. It's not always that their work ethic is less than it should be. They're just young. These opportunities are not always noticed. But when they are, it can become a path to advancement, maybe more money, or just more job satisfaction. Last year, my son worked as a dishwasher in a restaurant. One night, the place was packed, but nobody new was coming in. So, the kitchen slowed down and he was caught up with his dishwashing, but the dining area was packed. He felt dumb just standing around, so he put on a clean apron, and backed up the waitresses with collecting dishes, filling water glasses, etc. When I picked him up after his shift, he pulled $50 in singles out of his pocket and said "Pops...the waitresses...the think I'm a god or something. They just gave me all this". He could've made a lot of money (for a kid), if the putz owner hadn't gone out of business. Well, some industries, such as restaurant workers, are paid a pittance and their real pay IS their gratuities. I don't think marina managers count on them, though. I remember when I was a kid, it was semi customary to give the mail carrier (rural) a little something for xmas. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... It's a shame that the work ethic has evolved to having to bribe someone to get the service you are already paying for... True, sort of. But, on the other hand, there are often opportunities for new workers to think about better ways of doing their jobs. It's not always that their work ethic is less than it should be. They're just young. These opportunities are not always noticed. But when they are, it can become a path to advancement, maybe more money, or just more job satisfaction. Last year, my son worked as a dishwasher in a restaurant. One night, the place was packed, but nobody new was coming in. So, the kitchen slowed down and he was caught up with his dishwashing, but the dining area was packed. He felt dumb just standing around, so he put on a clean apron, and backed up the waitresses with collecting dishes, filling water glasses, etc. When I picked him up after his shift, he pulled $50 in singles out of his pocket and said "Pops...the waitresses...the think I'm a god or something. They just gave me all this". He could've made a lot of money (for a kid), if the putz owner hadn't gone out of business. Well, some industries, such as restaurant workers, are paid a pittance and their real pay IS their gratuities. I don't think marina managers count on them, though. I remember when I was a kid, it was semi customary to give the mail carrier (rural) a little something for xmas. Pay scales are wacky, too. At a bar where I play, the owner's soon-to-be son in law is the cook. He just graduated from some big-name cooking school in California. One of the best restaurants in town offered him a job as a line chef. $9.75 per hour. This is a place where the cheapest entree is $25.00, and they're busy all the time, non-stop. Meanwhile, my son's working as a T&A observer, also known as a lifeguard. He's getting paid $8.85. |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com... basskisser wrote: It's a shame that the work ethic has evolved to having to bribe someone to get the service you are already paying for... Or that the human heart has hardened to the point where an annual token of appreciation cannot be considered anything other than a bribe, as well as unneccessary, because, after all, the service was "paid for". Sometimes, the creativity of a tip becomes the reward in itself. Where I get my car worked on, there are 3 guys. None of them eat donuts, or even the best cheese danish in town, so that's out of the question. Two of them don't drink, and I'm not so sure alcohol's a good gift anyway because you never know, ya know? The guy who works on my car once spotted a hairline crack in my brake rotor, which had just been installed by the Ford dealer, so as far as I'm concerned, he may have saved my life. I tried to hand him some cash. He said "I make plenty of money here, but I appreciate the gesture". So, I sent him flowers, which he still laughs about five years later. I guess the value of that gesture was that it DEFINITELY broke up his routine. :-) |
tip the marina manager?
JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... It's a shame that the work ethic has evolved to having to bribe someone to get the service you are already paying for... True, sort of. But, on the other hand, there are often opportunities for new workers to think about better ways of doing their jobs. It's not always that their work ethic is less than it should be. They're just young. These opportunities are not always noticed. But when they are, it can become a path to advancement, maybe more money, or just more job satisfaction. Last year, my son worked as a dishwasher in a restaurant. One night, the place was packed, but nobody new was coming in. So, the kitchen slowed down and he was caught up with his dishwashing, but the dining area was packed. He felt dumb just standing around, so he put on a clean apron, and backed up the waitresses with collecting dishes, filling water glasses, etc. When I picked him up after his shift, he pulled $50 in singles out of his pocket and said "Pops...the waitresses...the think I'm a god or something. They just gave me all this". He could've made a lot of money (for a kid), if the putz owner hadn't gone out of business. Well, some industries, such as restaurant workers, are paid a pittance and their real pay IS their gratuities. I don't think marina managers count on them, though. I remember when I was a kid, it was semi customary to give the mail carrier (rural) a little something for xmas. Pay scales are wacky, too. At a bar where I play, the owner's soon-to-be son in law is the cook. He just graduated from some big-name cooking school in California. One of the best restaurants in town offered him a job as a line chef. $9.75 per hour. This is a place where the cheapest entree is $25.00, and they're busy all the time, non-stop. Meanwhile, my son's working as a T&A observer, also known as a lifeguard. He's getting paid $8.85. Oh, yeah. I have a friend who is a professional chef, and also graduated from a fine cooking school. He worked for peanuts for years before getting ahead enough to co-own his own place. |
tip the marina manager?
It's a shame that the work ethic has evolved to having to bribe someone
to get the service you are already paying for... It's stupid to assume that you are "already paying" for something just because you hand over a paltry amount of bucks to somebody who may have had little to do with the goods/services you are receiving. Can we ditch the Wal-Mart mentality? Or that the human heart has hardened to the point where an annual token of appreciation cannot be considered anything other than a bribe, as well as unneccessary, because, after all, the service was "paid for". It's not hard-hearted, it's just plain cheap & dumb. Some people can live in Podunk all their lives and still have some realization that the rest of the world is different. Other people go out into the world for decades and never realize that it's different from the Podunk they came from... or if they do, they spend a lot of time bemoaning the fact and fighting it. In the U.S. it used to be considered degrading to beg for money, or to accept money for what was expected of you (like helping a lady fix a flat tire). OTOH there have been many countries & cultures where 'baksheesh' was the norm. I'm more comfortable with the former ideals & standards, and would suggest that it leads to a more productive overall socio-economic system. But I wouldn't argue the point strenuously, nor get huffy about paying baksheesh in a place where it is the standard. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: Sometimes, the creativity of a tip becomes the reward in itself. Where I get my car worked on, there are 3 guys. None of them eat donuts, or even the best cheese danish in town, so that's out of the question. Two of them don't drink, and I'm not so sure alcohol's a good gift anyway because you never know, ya know? The guy who works on my car once spotted a hairline crack in my brake rotor, which had just been installed by the Ford dealer, so as far as I'm concerned, he may have saved my life. I tried to hand him some cash. He said "I make plenty of money here, but I appreciate the gesture". So, I sent him flowers, which he still laughs about five years later. I guess the value of that gesture was that it DEFINITELY broke up his routine. :-) heh heh sending a mechanic flowers... now that was cool... what did the card say? Regards Doug King |
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"DSK" wrote in message
.. . It's a shame that the work ethic has evolved to having to bribe someone to get the service you are already paying for... It's stupid to assume that you are "already paying" for something just because you hand over a paltry amount of bucks to somebody who may have had little to do with the goods/services you are receiving. Can we ditch the Wal-Mart mentality? Or that the human heart has hardened to the point where an annual token of appreciation cannot be considered anything other than a bribe, as well as unneccessary, because, after all, the service was "paid for". It's not hard-hearted, it's just plain cheap & dumb. Some people can live in Podunk all their lives and still have some realization that the rest of the world is different. Other people go out into the world for decades and never realize that it's different from the Podunk they came from... or if they do, they spend a lot of time bemoaning the fact and fighting it. In the U.S. it used to be considered degrading to beg for money, or to accept money for what was expected of you (like helping a lady fix a flat tire). OTOH there have been many countries & cultures where 'baksheesh' was the norm. I'm more comfortable with the former ideals & standards, and would suggest that it leads to a more productive overall socio-economic system. But I wouldn't argue the point strenuously, nor get huffy about paying baksheesh in a place where it is the standard. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: Sometimes, the creativity of a tip becomes the reward in itself. Where I get my car worked on, there are 3 guys. None of them eat donuts, or even the best cheese danish in town, so that's out of the question. Two of them don't drink, and I'm not so sure alcohol's a good gift anyway because you never know, ya know? The guy who works on my car once spotted a hairline crack in my brake rotor, which had just been installed by the Ford dealer, so as far as I'm concerned, he may have saved my life. I tried to hand him some cash. He said "I make plenty of money here, but I appreciate the gesture". So, I sent him flowers, which he still laughs about five years later. I guess the value of that gesture was that it DEFINITELY broke up his routine. :-) heh heh sending a mechanic flowers... now that was cool... what did the card say? Regards Doug King "Love, and stop putting those paper foot mats in my car" It's really a great place. The guy's into handguns, so we talk. The other mechanic's a really annoying lake trout charmer. Some people catch lake trout. Not Bruce. He charms them into the boat. He takes orders from friends. If he wants 4, he gets 4, anytime, always. It's nuts. To him, Lake Ontario is a vending machine. |
tip the marina manager?
DSK wrote: It's a shame that the work ethic has evolved to having to bribe someone to get the service you are already paying for... It's stupid to assume that you are "already paying" for something just because you hand over a paltry amount of bucks to somebody who may have had little to do with the goods/services you are receiving. Can we ditch the Wal-Mart mentality? Not so. I offer professional services that are paid per negotiated price as is in the contract. I go beyond the normal scope of work all of the time to make sure things are done in budget and on time. I suppose that I should expect a bonus for that? I don't, and I don't get one. I get more work because of my reputation, though. Just handing everyone a tip that performs a service to you IS stupid, however. Some people would be down right offended by it. |
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.... Can we ditch the Wal-Mart
mentality? basskisser wrote: Not so. I offer professional services that are paid per negotiated price as is in the contract. I go beyond the normal scope of work all of the time to make sure things are done in budget and on time. Uh huh And you blithely assume that everybody works under the same arrangement? .... I suppose that I should expect a bonus for that? I don't, and I don't get one. I get more work because of my reputation, though. In other words... you *DO* get a bonus after all .... Just handing everyone a tip that performs a service to you IS stupid, however. Some people would be down right offended by it. Read complete post before making retarded comments. DSK |
tip the marina manager?
wrote in message ups.com... I keep my small sailboat in a marina year-round. Is it customary to tip or give a present to the marina manager at Christmas? How much? This is not a marina for the affluent. My boat is only worth about $1600 and I pay $120 a month for the slip. Thanks in advance! I have never tipped the marina manager (normally the owner). We tip the gas dock attendants. We purchased a party tray for all the marina employees last spring after their hard work in keeping our boats from breaking free or sinking. We purchased a bottle of Crown Royal for the property owner who allowed us (and continues to do so) to store our boat over the winter on his (industrial) property for free. However, we have never tipped the marina or the marina owner/manager. The bottom line is how *you* feel. If you want to do so perhaps you can buy the entire marina crew a pizza lunch to show your thanks. ;-) |
tip the marina manager?
DSK wrote: .... Can we ditch the Wal-Mart mentality? basskisser wrote: Not so. I offer professional services that are paid per negotiated price as is in the contract. I go beyond the normal scope of work all of the time to make sure things are done in budget and on time. Uh huh And you blithely assume that everybody works under the same arrangement? No, and if you'd read a little better, you'd see that I've stated that some people's job's pay scale from their employer is such that they are essentially working for tips. Further, you'd see that I am being very specific in the fact that we are talking about a marina manager. Do you think that marina managers work for tips like waitstaff? .... I suppose that I should expect a bonus for that? I don't, and I don't get one. I get more work because of my reputation, though. In other words... you *DO* get a bonus after all No, I don't. I simply get another job or more jobs from the same firm because of my work ethic. I work just as hard at THAT job, too. I'm not getting monetary gain just for doing my job. .... Just handing everyone a tip that performs a service to you IS stupid, however. Some people would be down right offended by it. Read complete post before making retarded comments. I wouldn't have thought you'd be the type to start petty and childish insults when you are trying to have an intelligent debate, but you've proved me wrong on that count.... |
tip the marina manager?
"DSK" wrote in message .. . It's a shame that the work ethic has evolved to having to bribe someone to get the service you are already paying for... It's stupid to assume that you are "already paying" for something just because you hand over a paltry amount of bucks to somebody who may have had little to do with the goods/services you are receiving. Can we ditch the Wal-Mart mentality? Or that the human heart has hardened to the point where an annual token of appreciation cannot be considered anything other than a bribe, as well as unneccessary, because, after all, the service was "paid for". It's not hard-hearted, it's just plain cheap & dumb. Some people can live in Podunk all their lives and still have some realization that the rest of the world is different. Other people go out into the world for decades and never realize that it's different from the Podunk they came from... or if they do, they spend a lot of time bemoaning the fact and fighting it. In the U.S. it used to be considered degrading to beg for money, or to accept money for what was expected of you (like helping a lady fix a flat tire). OTOH there have been many countries & cultures where 'baksheesh' was the norm. I'm more comfortable with the former ideals & standards, and would suggest that it leads to a more productive overall socio-economic system. But I wouldn't argue the point strenuously, nor get huffy about paying baksheesh in a place where it is the standard. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: Sometimes, the creativity of a tip becomes the reward in itself. Where I get my car worked on, there are 3 guys. None of them eat donuts, or even the best cheese danish in town, so that's out of the question. Two of them don't drink, and I'm not so sure alcohol's a good gift anyway because you never know, ya know? The guy who works on my car once spotted a hairline crack in my brake rotor, which had just been installed by the Ford dealer, so as far as I'm concerned, he may have saved my life. I tried to hand him some cash. He said "I make plenty of money here, but I appreciate the gesture". So, I sent him flowers, which he still laughs about five years later. I guess the value of that gesture was that it DEFINITELY broke up his routine. :-) heh heh sending a mechanic flowers... now that was cool... what did the card say? Regards Doug King 'I like your sandals!'? |
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Larry wrote: Now, the marina manager isn't NEAR as important to you as those college kids they call "dock hands" that pump the gas and walk the docks. THOSE are the ones to tip! THOSE are the ones to make friends with, even if you patently object to that little earring in his nose.. I don't think my marina is affluent enough to have dock hands. I've never seen any. |
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If they had a higher class of clients, they probably wouldn't let me
in. Bert Robbins wrote: wrote: Larry wrote: Now, the marina manager isn't NEAR as important to you as those college kids they call "dock hands" that pump the gas and walk the docks. THOSE are the ones to tip! THOSE are the ones to make friends with, even if you patently object to that little earring in his nose.. I don't think my marina is affluent enough to have dock hands. I've never seen any. You marina might want to think about obtaining a higher class of clients. |
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