Free GPS given away every day.......
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On 5 Oct 2006 12:46:11 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 5 Oct 2006 11:04:23 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
basskisser wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
news release follows:

Thanks.

So where have you been?
June 13, 2005 JimH responded to Chuck:

Why are you getting so upset oh Spinmeister? Because folks think it
was
utterly ridiculous that you called my joke racist?

Sept. 21, 2006 JimH said:

Your netcopping causes more problems than if you would just shut your
piehole Chuck.
What happened? The day care bus break down out in front of rec.boats?

Unable to start a "neener-neener" fight using current materials,
Basskisser reaches back into the archives to find something from June
of last year.
Wrong, Chuck. There are many, many negative posts FROM JIMH TO YOU that
are very recent.
No sale, bass. Adults get over it and move on. Kids archive this stuff
and bring it up forever.
Google is a kid?
Got anything boating related to contribute, or does the group remain,
(for you), a play pen where various drama queens counter-post "You
insulted me!"?
Chuck, whining doesn't befit you very well.
Why not get back to those archives of negative posts you seem to store
and see if you can find something in there posted by you, about
boating, any time recently. Good luck.
No problem!

Oct. 4, 2006 Basskisser said:

Gene, I'm not going to cover it with carpet this time. The paint has an

additive to make it a non-slip surface. You can get it in a bunch of
colors. Because it says it's okay to use on pool decks, etc, I'd think
it would have UV inhibitors, but for all I know about paint, that may
not be true!

Oct. 3 2006 Basskisser said:

I got tired of the carpet staying soaked up then rotting the plywood.
It's an old boat, and I'm thinking of getting a new(er) one in a year
or sooner, so really I'm looking to get it through fall fishing and
then sell it. SO, what I decided to do was this. After cutting all of
my plywood pieces and checking the fit, I primed everything, edges and
both faces with oil base primer. Heavily! Now I'm again painting a coat

of garage floor two part epoxy on all edges and surfaces. Glue and
screw to the stringers, using silicone between all seams. Then, I'll
use another coat of the two part epoxy to finish coat. No carpet! I
think it will look decent, and be durable. Oh, the to the two part
epoxy paint I added a non-skid agent.

But, alas, the thread got hijacked by Dan, one of the people, like JimH
that you, for some reason, give a free pass to say whatever they want,
ALWAYS off topic, but when I do the same, it's suddenly a horrific
thing! If you are going to play netcop, you should at least be even
handed at it, and you aren't. By a long shot.

Bass,
I think you missed Chuck's point. The NG is falling back to the point
where the majority of the post are political, inflammatory and consist
of flaming and name calling. It is always easy to say "the other guy
started it", but the only way to end it is for you to ignore them.

Why don't you stop responding to all the political and inflammatory
trolls, and definitely stop cut and pasting political articles, and try
to say on topic. I know there are many others who are doing to the
same, but you can only control your own behavior.
But I find it odd that Chuck and a couple of others find it just
terrible when *I* do it, but give most others a free pass! Look around,
it's true.
On to something still off topic (so I'll probably get chastised again)
but.....
I guess I'm the last of the old school 35mm film photographers. I have
a small digital, and am going to make the move to a digital slr. I
found a D50 for a reasonable price:

http://www.royalcamera.com/nikond50kit.html

I'll be adding lenses later, plus, I really need to buckle down and
learn to get up to the level that I am with film. But, I digress, I
think I saw a thread where you, JohnH, Harry, Shortwave, etc were
discussing digital slr. I THINK I understood through those posts that
lens length doesn't equal the same as 35mm, is that true? For instance,
is a 50mm lens for 35mm the same zoom factor as for digital slr?
Nikon lenses have a multiplier of 1.5. So your 50mm will be the equivalent
of 75mm. A friend of mine bought the D50 and loves it.
Is it just Nikon or Nikkor lenses or is that for digital SLR lenses et
al.? Also, do non-digital Nikon lenses work with digital cameras?
The Canon had a 1.6 multiplier. I don't know about the others. My daughter
uses a lens she had with a regular SLR on her D70.

Just looked at Best Buy

$699.99 gets the body and an 18-55mm lens, while at Ritz $599.99 gets
the body and a 28-80mm lens.......


Check out the lens mfg'er. The Ritz at $599 is their private label
lens. Big difference between the lens.

It's a Nikkor lens:
http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/SLR1133.htm

Free GPS given away every day.......
 

basskisser wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On 5 Oct 2006 12:46:11 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 5 Oct 2006 11:04:23 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
basskisser wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
news release follows:

Thanks.

So where have you been?
June 13, 2005 JimH responded to Chuck:

Why are you getting so upset oh Spinmeister? Because folks think it
was
utterly ridiculous that you called my joke racist?

Sept. 21, 2006 JimH said:

Your netcopping causes more problems than if you would just shut your
piehole Chuck.
What happened? The day care bus break down out in front of rec.boats?

Unable to start a "neener-neener" fight using current materials,
Basskisser reaches back into the archives to find something from June
of last year.
Wrong, Chuck. There are many, many negative posts FROM JIMH TO YOU that
are very recent.
No sale, bass. Adults get over it and move on. Kids archive this stuff
and bring it up forever.
Google is a kid?
Got anything boating related to contribute, or does the group remain,
(for you), a play pen where various drama queens counter-post "You
insulted me!"?
Chuck, whining doesn't befit you very well.
Why not get back to those archives of negative posts you seem to store
and see if you can find something in there posted by you, about
boating, any time recently. Good luck.
No problem!

Oct. 4, 2006 Basskisser said:

Gene, I'm not going to cover it with carpet this time. The paint has an

additive to make it a non-slip surface. You can get it in a bunch of
colors. Because it says it's okay to use on pool decks, etc, I'd think
it would have UV inhibitors, but for all I know about paint, that may
not be true!

Oct. 3 2006 Basskisser said:

I got tired of the carpet staying soaked up then rotting the plywood.
It's an old boat, and I'm thinking of getting a new(er) one in a year
or sooner, so really I'm looking to get it through fall fishing and
then sell it. SO, what I decided to do was this. After cutting all of
my plywood pieces and checking the fit, I primed everything, edges and
both faces with oil base primer. Heavily! Now I'm again painting a coat

of garage floor two part epoxy on all edges and surfaces. Glue and
screw to the stringers, using silicone between all seams. Then, I'll
use another coat of the two part epoxy to finish coat. No carpet! I
think it will look decent, and be durable. Oh, the to the two part
epoxy paint I added a non-skid agent.

But, alas, the thread got hijacked by Dan, one of the people, like JimH
that you, for some reason, give a free pass to say whatever they want,
ALWAYS off topic, but when I do the same, it's suddenly a horrific
thing! If you are going to play netcop, you should at least be even
handed at it, and you aren't. By a long shot.

Bass,
I think you missed Chuck's point. The NG is falling back to the point
where the majority of the post are political, inflammatory and consist
of flaming and name calling. It is always easy to say "the other guy
started it", but the only way to end it is for you to ignore them.

Why don't you stop responding to all the political and inflammatory
trolls, and definitely stop cut and pasting political articles, and try
to say on topic. I know there are many others who are doing to the
same, but you can only control your own behavior.
But I find it odd that Chuck and a couple of others find it just
terrible when *I* do it, but give most others a free pass! Look around,
it's true.
On to something still off topic (so I'll probably get chastised again)
but.....
I guess I'm the last of the old school 35mm film photographers. I have
a small digital, and am going to make the move to a digital slr. I
found a D50 for a reasonable price:

http://www.royalcamera.com/nikond50kit.html

I'll be adding lenses later, plus, I really need to buckle down and
learn to get up to the level that I am with film. But, I digress, I
think I saw a thread where you, JohnH, Harry, Shortwave, etc were
discussing digital slr. I THINK I understood through those posts that
lens length doesn't equal the same as 35mm, is that true? For instance,
is a 50mm lens for 35mm the same zoom factor as for digital slr?
Nikon lenses have a multiplier of 1.5. So your 50mm will be the equivalent
of 75mm. A friend of mine bought the D50 and loves it.
Is it just Nikon or Nikkor lenses or is that for digital SLR lenses et
al.? Also, do non-digital Nikon lenses work with digital cameras?
The Canon had a 1.6 multiplier. I don't know about the others. My daughter
uses a lens she had with a regular SLR on her D70.
Just looked at Best Buy

$699.99 gets the body and an 18-55mm lens, while at Ritz $599.99 gets
the body and a 28-80mm lens.......

Check out the lens mfg'er. The Ritz at $599 is their private label
lens. Big difference between the lens.

It's a Nikkor lens:
http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/SLR1133.htm


This lens was really designed for the "N" series of Nikon Cameras. It
is a cheaply made lens that will give you very soft images. You can buy
this lens for $80 - $100 on it's own. Again, do a search to review the
lens, and you will be hard pressed to find someone who likes the lens.
It appears that Ritz purchased this as an overstock from Nikon since
very few people are buying "N" series lens. This was a piece of ****
even for the "N" series. Without a quality lens, you are better buying
a point and shot camera.

In the real world you get what you pay for.

If you want a nice, reasonable priced, decent lens buy:

http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/SLR1149.htm

or

http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/SLR1132.htm

or

http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/541535241.htm
body only

and then buy the lens you want designed for the "D" series.

The most popular lens for the D50 is :

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/18200.htm

The problem is it is on backorder with everyone. I just received mine
after 5 months of waiting.

Free GPS given away every day.......
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
etween the lens.

It's a Nikkor lens:
http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/SLR1133.htm


This lens was really designed for the "N" series of Nikon Cameras. It
is a cheaply made lens that will give you very soft images. You can buy
this lens for $80 - $100 on it's own. Again, do a search to review the
lens, and you will be hard pressed to find someone who likes the lens.
It appears that Ritz purchased this as an overstock from Nikon since
very few people are buying "N" series lens. This was a piece of ****
even for the "N" series. Without a quality lens, you are better buying
a point and shot camera.

In the real world you get what you pay for.

If you want a nice, reasonable priced, decent lens buy:

http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/SLR1149.htm

or

http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/SLR1132.htm

or

http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/541535241.htm
body only

and then buy the lens you want designed for the "D" series.

The most popular lens for the D50 is :

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/18200.htm

The problem is it is on backorder with everyone. I just received mine
after 5 months of waiting.

Bassy,
When you are looking at DSLR it is important to remember that the camera
body gives you features, but it is the lens that will have the biggest
impact on the quality of the photo. You can buy a Pro model camera body
for $5000, if you put a cheap $80 lens on the body, you will not be
pleased with the quality anymore than you will with a cheap lens on the
Nikon D50.

If you use a quality lens on a Nikon D50 you can get very good results.

Based upon your desire to get a inexpensive camera and lens combo, I
really think you would prefer a point and shot camera by Nikon or Canon.

Free GPS given away every day.......
 

On 6 Oct 2006 04:47:18 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On 5 Oct 2006 12:46:11 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 5 Oct 2006 11:04:23 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
basskisser wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
news release follows:

Thanks.

So where have you been?
June 13, 2005 JimH responded to Chuck:

Why are you getting so upset oh Spinmeister? Because folks think it
was
utterly ridiculous that you called my joke racist?

Sept. 21, 2006 JimH said:

Your netcopping causes more problems than if you would just shut your
piehole Chuck.
What happened? The day care bus break down out in front of rec.boats?

Unable to start a "neener-neener" fight using current materials,
Basskisser reaches back into the archives to find something from June
of last year.
Wrong, Chuck. There are many, many negative posts FROM JIMH TO YOU that
are very recent.
No sale, bass. Adults get over it and move on. Kids archive this stuff
and bring it up forever.
Google is a kid?
Got anything boating related to contribute, or does the group remain,
(for you), a play pen where various drama queens counter-post "You
insulted me!"?
Chuck, whining doesn't befit you very well.
Why not get back to those archives of negative posts you seem to store
and see if you can find something in there posted by you, about
boating, any time recently. Good luck.
No problem!

Oct. 4, 2006 Basskisser said:

Gene, I'm not going to cover it with carpet this time. The paint has an

additive to make it a non-slip surface. You can get it in a bunch of
colors. Because it says it's okay to use on pool decks, etc, I'd think
it would have UV inhibitors, but for all I know about paint, that may
not be true!

Oct. 3 2006 Basskisser said:

I got tired of the carpet staying soaked up then rotting the plywood.
It's an old boat, and I'm thinking of getting a new(er) one in a year
or sooner, so really I'm looking to get it through fall fishing and
then sell it. SO, what I decided to do was this. After cutting all of
my plywood pieces and checking the fit, I primed everything, edges and
both faces with oil base primer. Heavily! Now I'm again painting a coat

of garage floor two part epoxy on all edges and surfaces. Glue and
screw to the stringers, using silicone between all seams. Then, I'll
use another coat of the two part epoxy to finish coat. No carpet! I
think it will look decent, and be durable. Oh, the to the two part
epoxy paint I added a non-skid agent.

But, alas, the thread got hijacked by Dan, one of the people, like JimH
that you, for some reason, give a free pass to say whatever they want,
ALWAYS off topic, but when I do the same, it's suddenly a horrific
thing! If you are going to play netcop, you should at least be even
handed at it, and you aren't. By a long shot.

Bass,
I think you missed Chuck's point. The NG is falling back to the point
where the majority of the post are political, inflammatory and consist
of flaming and name calling. It is always easy to say "the other guy
started it", but the only way to end it is for you to ignore them.

Why don't you stop responding to all the political and inflammatory
trolls, and definitely stop cut and pasting political articles, and try
to say on topic. I know there are many others who are doing to the
same, but you can only control your own behavior.
But I find it odd that Chuck and a couple of others find it just
terrible when *I* do it, but give most others a free pass! Look around,
it's true.
On to something still off topic (so I'll probably get chastised again)
but.....
I guess I'm the last of the old school 35mm film photographers. I have
a small digital, and am going to make the move to a digital slr. I
found a D50 for a reasonable price:

http://www.royalcamera.com/nikond50kit.html

I'll be adding lenses later, plus, I really need to buckle down and
learn to get up to the level that I am with film. But, I digress, I
think I saw a thread where you, JohnH, Harry, Shortwave, etc were
discussing digital slr. I THINK I understood through those posts that
lens length doesn't equal the same as 35mm, is that true? For instance,
is a 50mm lens for 35mm the same zoom factor as for digital slr?
Nikon lenses have a multiplier of 1.5. So your 50mm will be the equivalent
of 75mm. A friend of mine bought the D50 and loves it.
Is it just Nikon or Nikkor lenses or is that for digital SLR lenses et
al.? Also, do non-digital Nikon lenses work with digital cameras?
The Canon had a 1.6 multiplier. I don't know about the others. My daughter
uses a lens she had with a regular SLR on her D70.

Just looked at Best Buy

$699.99 gets the body and an 18-55mm lens, while at Ritz $599.99 gets
the body and a 28-80mm lens.......


Check out the lens mfg'er. The Ritz at $599 is their private label
lens. Big difference between the lens.

It's a Nikkor lens:
http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/SLR1133.htm

Bass, did you go to my suggested site and compare the lenses? You *will*
see the difference once you learn a little about lenses.

Free GPS given away every day.......
 

JohnH wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 04:47:18 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
kisser said:

I got tired of the carpet staying soaked up then rotting the plywood.
It's an old boat, and I'm thinking of getting a new(er) one in a year
or sooner, so really I'm looking to get it through fall fishing and
then sell it. SO, what I decided to do was this. After cutting all of
my plywood pieces and checking the fit, I primed everything, edges and
both faces with oil base primer. Heavily! Now I'm again painting a coat

of garage floor two part epoxy on all edges and surfaces. Glue and
screw to the stringers, using silicone between all seams. Then, I'll
use another coat of the two part epoxy to finish coat. No carpet! I
think it will look decent, and be durable. Oh, the to the two part
epoxy paint I added a non-skid agent.

But, alas, the thread got hijacked by Dan, one of the people, like JimH
that you, for some reason, give a free pass to say whatever they want,
ALWAYS off topic, but when I do the same, it's suddenly a horrific
thing! If you are going to play netcop, you should at least be even
handed at it, and you aren't. By a long shot.

Bass,
I think you missed Chuck's point. The NG is falling back to the point
where the majority of the post are political, inflammatory and consist
of flaming and name calling. It is always easy to say "the other guy
started it", but the only way to end it is for you to ignore them.

Why don't you stop responding to all the political and inflammatory
trolls, and definitely stop cut and pasting political articles, and try
to say on topic. I know there are many others who are doing to the
same, but you can only control your own behavior.
But I find it odd that Chuck and a couple of others find it just
terrible when *I* do it, but give most others a free pass! Look around,
it's true.
On to something still off topic (so I'll probably get chastised again)
but.....
I guess I'm the last of the old school 35mm film photographers. I have
a small digital, and am going to make the move to a digital slr. I
found a D50 for a reasonable price:

http://www.royalcamera.com/nikond50kit.html

I'll be adding lenses later, plus, I really need to buckle down and
learn to get up to the level that I am with film. But, I digress, I
think I saw a thread where you, JohnH, Harry, Shortwave, etc were
discussing digital slr. I THINK I understood through those posts that
lens length doesn't equal the same as 35mm, is that true? For instance,
is a 50mm lens for 35mm the same zoom factor as for digital slr?
Nikon lenses have a multiplier of 1.5. So your 50mm will be the equivalent
of 75mm. A friend of mine bought the D50 and loves it.
Is it just Nikon or Nikkor lenses or is that for digital SLR lenses et
al.? Also, do non-digital Nikon lenses work with digital cameras?
The Canon had a 1.6 multiplier. I don't know about the others. My daughter
uses a lens she had with a regular SLR on her D70.
Just looked at Best Buy

$699.99 gets the body and an 18-55mm lens, while at Ritz $599.99 gets
the body and a 28-80mm lens.......

Check out the lens mfg'er. The Ritz at $599 is their private label
lens. Big difference between the lens.
It's a Nikkor lens:
http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/SLR1133.htm

Bass, did you go to my suggested site and compare the lenses? You *will*
see the difference once you learn a little about lenses.

I ordered a Nikon D50 body for $549.00 with a free 28-70mm lens. It
was worth everything I paid for it. ; )

I am looking for someone to I can give it to. It really just takes up
room in my camera bag.

Free GPS given away every day.......
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Bassy,
When you are looking at DSLR it is important to remember that the camera
body gives you features, but it is the lens that will have the biggest
impact on the quality of the photo.

Same holds true for film cameras. Plus you need to know nuances of each
type of film.


You can buy a Pro model camera body
for $5000, if you put a cheap $80 lens on the body, you will not be
pleased with the quality anymore than you will with a cheap lens on the
Nikon D50.

If you use a quality lens on a Nikon D50 you can get very good results.

Based upon your desire to get a inexpensive camera and lens combo, I
really think you would prefer a point and shot camera by Nikon or Canon.

Nope, already have a point and shoot. Being an SLR amateur photographer
for about 25 years, I can't stand it!

Free GPS given away every day.......
 

JohnH wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 04:47:18 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On 5 Oct 2006 12:46:11 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 5 Oct 2006 11:04:23 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
basskisser wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
news release follows:

Thanks.

So where have you been?
June 13, 2005 JimH responded to Chuck:

Why are you getting so upset oh Spinmeister? Because folks think it
was
utterly ridiculous that you called my joke racist?

Sept. 21, 2006 JimH said:

Your netcopping causes more problems than if you would just shut your
piehole Chuck.
What happened? The day care bus break down out in front of rec.boats?

Unable to start a "neener-neener" fight using current materials,
Basskisser reaches back into the archives to find something from June
of last year.
Wrong, Chuck. There are many, many negative posts FROM JIMH TO YOU that
are very recent.
No sale, bass. Adults get over it and move on. Kids archive this stuff
and bring it up forever.
Google is a kid?
Got anything boating related to contribute, or does the group remain,
(for you), a play pen where various drama queens counter-post "You
insulted me!"?
Chuck, whining doesn't befit you very well.
Why not get back to those archives of negative posts you seem to store
and see if you can find something in there posted by you, about
boating, any time recently. Good luck.
No problem!

Oct. 4, 2006 Basskisser said:

Gene, I'm not going to cover it with carpet this time. The paint has an

additive to make it a non-slip surface. You can get it in a bunch of
colors. Because it says it's okay to use on pool decks, etc, I'd think
it would have UV inhibitors, but for all I know about paint, that may
not be true!

Oct. 3 2006 Basskisser said:

I got tired of the carpet staying soaked up then rotting the plywood.
It's an old boat, and I'm thinking of getting a new(er) one in a year
or sooner, so really I'm looking to get it through fall fishing and
then sell it. SO, what I decided to do was this. After cutting all of
my plywood pieces and checking the fit, I primed everything, edges and
both faces with oil base primer. Heavily! Now I'm again painting a coat

of garage floor two part epoxy on all edges and surfaces. Glue and
screw to the stringers, using silicone between all seams. Then, I'll
use another coat of the two part epoxy to finish coat. No carpet! I
think it will look decent, and be durable. Oh, the to the two part
epoxy paint I added a non-skid agent.

But, alas, the thread got hijacked by Dan, one of the people, like JimH
that you, for some reason, give a free pass to say whatever they want,
ALWAYS off topic, but when I do the same, it's suddenly a horrific
thing! If you are going to play netcop, you should at least be even
handed at it, and you aren't. By a long shot.

Bass,
I think you missed Chuck's point. The NG is falling back to the point
where the majority of the post are political, inflammatory and consist
of flaming and name calling. It is always easy to say "the other guy
started it", but the only way to end it is for you to ignore them.

Why don't you stop responding to all the political and inflammatory
trolls, and definitely stop cut and pasting political articles, and try
to say on topic. I know there are many others who are doing to the
same, but you can only control your own behavior.
But I find it odd that Chuck and a couple of others find it just
terrible when *I* do it, but give most others a free pass! Look around,
it's true.
On to something still off topic (so I'll probably get chastised again)
but.....
I guess I'm the last of the old school 35mm film photographers. I have
a small digital, and am going to make the move to a digital slr. I
found a D50 for a reasonable price:

http://www.royalcamera.com/nikond50kit.html

I'll be adding lenses later, plus, I really need to buckle down and
learn to get up to the level that I am with film. But, I digress, I
think I saw a thread where you, JohnH, Harry, Shortwave, etc were
discussing digital slr. I THINK I understood through those posts that
lens length doesn't equal the same as 35mm, is that true? For instance,
is a 50mm lens for 35mm the same zoom factor as for digital slr?
Nikon lenses have a multiplier of 1.5. So your 50mm will be the equivalent
of 75mm. A friend of mine bought the D50 and loves it.
Is it just Nikon or Nikkor lenses or is that for digital SLR lenses et
al.? Also, do non-digital Nikon lenses work with digital cameras?
The Canon had a 1.6 multiplier. I don't know about the others. My daughter
uses a lens she had with a regular SLR on her D70.

Just looked at Best Buy

$699.99 gets the body and an 18-55mm lens, while at Ritz $599.99 gets
the body and a 28-80mm lens.......


Check out the lens mfg'er. The Ritz at $599 is their private label
lens. Big difference between the lens.

It's a Nikkor lens:
http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/SLR1133.htm

Bass, did you go to my suggested site and compare the lenses? You *will*
see the difference once you learn a little about lenses.

Yes, and I thoroughly understand lenses as they relate to quality. I've
probably eaten up a million miles of 35mm film in my lifetime. Also, I
am not necessarily trying to find the cheapest of everything. What I am
interested in doing is using a cheaper lens to learn the nuances of
digital SLR as opposed to film. I still really like using film for some
reason. I know how to manipulate to get the end result I want, in
regards to speed, aperture, type of film, filters, etc. I figure a
halfway decent lens and a D50 will be all I need for the time being to
learn how to manipulate in digital.

Free GPS given away every day.......
 

basskisser wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Bassy,
When you are looking at DSLR it is important to remember that the camera
body gives you features, but it is the lens that will have the biggest
impact on the quality of the photo.

Same holds true for film cameras. Plus you need to know nuances of each
type of film.

If you know this, why are you looking at cheap $80 lens that you will
not be happy with? Why throw away $50? Buy a D50 body for $549 and
then buy the exact quality lens that you want, instead of the crappy one
they are putting together in a package to make it look like a good deal.

If I was buying my camera body today, I would buy the new D80, all the
features of the D200 in a consumer plastic body (same plastic as the D50
and D70)




You can buy a Pro model camera body
for $5000, if you put a cheap $80 lens on the body, you will not be
pleased with the quality anymore than you will with a cheap lens on the
Nikon D50.

If you use a quality lens on a Nikon D50 you can get very good results.

Based upon your desire to get a inexpensive camera and lens combo, I
really think you would prefer a point and shot camera by Nikon or Canon.

Nope, already have a point and shoot. Being an SLR amateur photographer
for about 25 years, I can't stand it!

Free GPS given away every day.......
 

On 6 Oct 2006 09:55:01 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


JohnH wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 04:47:18 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On 5 Oct 2006 12:46:11 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 5 Oct 2006 11:04:23 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
basskisser wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
news release follows:

Thanks.

So where have you been?
June 13, 2005 JimH responded to Chuck:

Why are you getting so upset oh Spinmeister? Because folks think it
was
utterly ridiculous that you called my joke racist?

Sept. 21, 2006 JimH said:

Your netcopping causes more problems than if you would just shut your
piehole Chuck.
What happened? The day care bus break down out in front of rec.boats?

Unable to start a "neener-neener" fight using current materials,
Basskisser reaches back into the archives to find something from June
of last year.
Wrong, Chuck. There are many, many negative posts FROM JIMH TO YOU that
are very recent.
No sale, bass. Adults get over it and move on. Kids archive this stuff
and bring it up forever.
Google is a kid?
Got anything boating related to contribute, or does the group remain,
(for you), a play pen where various drama queens counter-post "You
insulted me!"?
Chuck, whining doesn't befit you very well.
Why not get back to those archives of negative posts you seem to store
and see if you can find something in there posted by you, about
boating, any time recently. Good luck.
No problem!

Oct. 4, 2006 Basskisser said:

Gene, I'm not going to cover it with carpet this time. The paint has an

additive to make it a non-slip surface. You can get it in a bunch of
colors. Because it says it's okay to use on pool decks, etc, I'd think
it would have UV inhibitors, but for all I know about paint, that may
not be true!

Oct. 3 2006 Basskisser said:

I got tired of the carpet staying soaked up then rotting the plywood.
It's an old boat, and I'm thinking of getting a new(er) one in a year
or sooner, so really I'm looking to get it through fall fishing and
then sell it. SO, what I decided to do was this. After cutting all of
my plywood pieces and checking the fit, I primed everything, edges and
both faces with oil base primer. Heavily! Now I'm again painting a coat

of garage floor two part epoxy on all edges and surfaces. Glue and
screw to the stringers, using silicone between all seams. Then, I'll
use another coat of the two part epoxy to finish coat. No carpet! I
think it will look decent, and be durable. Oh, the to the two part
epoxy paint I added a non-skid agent.

But, alas, the thread got hijacked by Dan, one of the people, like JimH
that you, for some reason, give a free pass to say whatever they want,
ALWAYS off topic, but when I do the same, it's suddenly a horrific
thing! If you are going to play netcop, you should at least be even
handed at it, and you aren't. By a long shot.

Bass,
I think you missed Chuck's point. The NG is falling back to the point
where the majority of the post are political, inflammatory and consist
of flaming and name calling. It is always easy to say "the other guy
started it", but the only way to end it is for you to ignore them.

Why don't you stop responding to all the political and inflammatory
trolls, and definitely stop cut and pasting political articles, and try
to say on topic. I know there are many others who are doing to the
same, but you can only control your own behavior.
But I find it odd that Chuck and a couple of others find it just
terrible when *I* do it, but give most others a free pass! Look around,
it's true.
On to something still off topic (so I'll probably get chastised again)
but.....
I guess I'm the last of the old school 35mm film photographers. I have
a small digital, and am going to make the move to a digital slr. I
found a D50 for a reasonable price:

http://www.royalcamera.com/nikond50kit.html

I'll be adding lenses later, plus, I really need to buckle down and
learn to get up to the level that I am with film. But, I digress, I
think I saw a thread where you, JohnH, Harry, Shortwave, etc were
discussing digital slr. I THINK I understood through those posts that
lens length doesn't equal the same as 35mm, is that true? For instance,
is a 50mm lens for 35mm the same zoom factor as for digital slr?
Nikon lenses have a multiplier of 1.5. So your 50mm will be the equivalent
of 75mm. A friend of mine bought the D50 and loves it.
Is it just Nikon or Nikkor lenses or is that for digital SLR lenses et
al.? Also, do non-digital Nikon lenses work with digital cameras?
The Canon had a 1.6 multiplier. I don't know about the others. My daughter
uses a lens she had with a regular SLR on her D70.

Just looked at Best Buy

$699.99 gets the body and an 18-55mm lens, while at Ritz $599.99 gets
the body and a 28-80mm lens.......


Check out the lens mfg'er. The Ritz at $599 is their private label
lens. Big difference between the lens.

It's a Nikkor lens:
http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/SLR1133.htm

Bass, did you go to my suggested site and compare the lenses? You *will*
see the difference once you learn a little about lenses.

Yes, and I thoroughly understand lenses as they relate to quality. I've
probably eaten up a million miles of 35mm film in my lifetime. Also, I
am not necessarily trying to find the cheapest of everything. What I am
interested in doing is using a cheaper lens to learn the nuances of
digital SLR as opposed to film. I still really like using film for some
reason. I know how to manipulate to get the end result I want, in
regards to speed, aperture, type of film, filters, etc. I figure a
halfway decent lens and a D50 will be all I need for the time being to
learn how to manipulate in digital.

OK, good luck!

Free GPS given away every day.......
 

JohnH wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 09:55:01 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


JohnH wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 04:47:18 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On 5 Oct 2006 12:46:11 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 5 Oct 2006 11:04:23 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
basskisser wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
news release follows:

Thanks.

So where have you been?
June 13, 2005 JimH responded to Chuck:

Why are you getting so upset oh Spinmeister? Because folks think it
was
utterly ridiculous that you called my joke racist?

Sept. 21, 2006 JimH said:

Your netcopping causes more problems than if you would just shut your
piehole Chuck.
What happened? The day care bus break down out in front of rec.boats?

Unable to start a "neener-neener" fight using current materials,
Basskisser reaches back into the archives to find something from June
of last year.
Wrong, Chuck. There are many, many negative posts FROM JIMH TO YOU that
are very recent.
No sale, bass. Adults get over it and move on. Kids archive this stuff
and bring it up forever.
Google is a kid?
Got anything boating related to contribute, or does the group remain,
(for you), a play pen where various drama queens counter-post "You
insulted me!"?
Chuck, whining doesn't befit you very well.
Why not get back to those archives of negative posts you seem to store
and see if you can find something in there posted by you, about
boating, any time recently. Good luck.
No problem!

Oct. 4, 2006 Basskisser said:

Gene, I'm not going to cover it with carpet this time. The paint has an

additive to make it a non-slip surface. You can get it in a bunch of
colors. Because it says it's okay to use on pool decks, etc, I'd think
it would have UV inhibitors, but for all I know about paint, that may
not be true!

Oct. 3 2006 Basskisser said:

I got tired of the carpet staying soaked up then rotting the plywood.
It's an old boat, and I'm thinking of getting a new(er) one in a year
or sooner, so really I'm looking to get it through fall fishing and
then sell it. SO, what I decided to do was this. After cutting all of
my plywood pieces and checking the fit, I primed everything, edges and
both faces with oil base primer. Heavily! Now I'm again painting a coat

of garage floor two part epoxy on all edges and surfaces. Glue and
screw to the stringers, using silicone between all seams. Then, I'll
use another coat of the two part epoxy to finish coat. No carpet! I
think it will look decent, and be durable. Oh, the to the two part
epoxy paint I added a non-skid agent.

But, alas, the thread got hijacked by Dan, one of the people, like JimH
that you, for some reason, give a free pass to say whatever they want,
ALWAYS off topic, but when I do the same, it's suddenly a horrific
thing! If you are going to play netcop, you should at least be even
handed at it, and you aren't. By a long shot.

Bass,
I think you missed Chuck's point. The NG is falling back to the point
where the majority of the post are political, inflammatory and consist
of flaming and name calling. It is always easy to say "the other guy
started it", but the only way to end it is for you to ignore them.

Why don't you stop responding to all the political and inflammatory
trolls, and definitely stop cut and pasting political articles, and try
to say on topic. I know there are many others who are doing to the
same, but you can only control your own behavior.
But I find it odd that Chuck and a couple of others find it just
terrible when *I* do it, but give most others a free pass! Look around,
it's true.
On to something still off topic (so I'll probably get chastised again)
but.....
I guess I'm the last of the old school 35mm film photographers. I have
a small digital, and am going to make the move to a digital slr. I
found a D50 for a reasonable price:

http://www.royalcamera.com/nikond50kit.html

I'll be adding lenses later, plus, I really need to buckle down and
learn to get up to the level that I am with film. But, I digress, I
think I saw a thread where you, JohnH, Harry, Shortwave, etc were
discussing digital slr. I THINK I understood through those posts that
lens length doesn't equal the same as 35mm, is that true? For instance,
is a 50mm lens for 35mm the same zoom factor as for digital slr?
Nikon lenses have a multiplier of 1.5. So your 50mm will be the equivalent
of 75mm. A friend of mine bought the D50 and loves it.
Is it just Nikon or Nikkor lenses or is that for digital SLR lenses et
al.? Also, do non-digital Nikon lenses work with digital cameras?
The Canon had a 1.6 multiplier. I don't know about the others. My daughter
uses a lens she had with a regular SLR on her D70.

Just looked at Best Buy

$699.99 gets the body and an 18-55mm lens, while at Ritz $599.99 gets
the body and a 28-80mm lens.......


Check out the lens mfg'er. The Ritz at $599 is their private label
lens. Big difference between the lens.

It's a Nikkor lens:
http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/SLR1133.htm

Bass, did you go to my suggested site and compare the lenses? You *will*
see the difference once you learn a little about lenses.

Yes, and I thoroughly understand lenses as they relate to quality. I've
probably eaten up a million miles of 35mm film in my lifetime. Also, I
am not necessarily trying to find the cheapest of everything. What I am
interested in doing is using a cheaper lens to learn the nuances of
digital SLR as opposed to film. I still really like using film for some
reason. I know how to manipulate to get the end result I want, in
regards to speed, aperture, type of film, filters, etc. I figure a
halfway decent lens and a D50 will be all I need for the time being to
learn how to manipulate in digital.

OK, good luck!

thanks!