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Downloaded the IE7 yesterday but have not yet installed it.

Am concerned about any bad things that may happen during installation. Last
time I updated an old browser it managed to put my extensive Favorites
somewhere I couldn't find it. Had to start from scratch and it was time
consuming and annoying.

So, any hints/help would be appreciated.

Butch

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Butch Davis wrote:
Downloaded the IE7 yesterday but have not yet installed it.

Am concerned about any bad things that may happen during installation. Last
time I updated an old browser it managed to put my extensive Favorites
somewhere I couldn't find it. Had to start from scratch and it was time
consuming and annoying.

So, any hints/help would be appreciated.

Butch


check out the IE7 newsgroup and you will see this is definitely still a
beta, not a final release. People are having lots of trouble with this
browser. I would not install it. In fact, I would not install Vista
till they have SP1 updates.

MS is rushing to get this out by Oct. It will have lots of problems.

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Butch Davis wrote:
Downloaded the IE7 yesterday but have not yet installed it.

Am concerned about any bad things that may happen during installation. Last
time I updated an old browser it managed to put my extensive Favorites
somewhere I couldn't find it. Had to start from scratch and it was time
consuming and annoying.

So, any hints/help would be appreciated.

Butch

I installed it about a month ago, absolutely no problems. I like it,
has tabs. All of my favorites were still there after installation.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Butch Davis wrote:
Downloaded the IE7 yesterday but have not yet installed it.

Am concerned about any bad things that may happen during installation. Last
time I updated an old browser it managed to put my extensive Favorites
somewhere I couldn't find it. Had to start from scratch and it was time
consuming and annoying.

So, any hints/help would be appreciated.

Butch


check out the IE7 newsgroup and you will see this is definitely still a
beta, not a final release. People are having lots of trouble with this
browser. I would not install it. In fact, I would not install Vista
till they have SP1 updates.

MS is rushing to get this out by Oct. It will have lots of problems.

I've been running IE7 since it was first available in beta, and have
not had any trouble with it at all. I love it.

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"Butch Davis" wrote in message
ink.net...
Downloaded the IE7 yesterday but have not yet installed it.

Am concerned about any bad things that may happen during installation.
Last time I updated an old browser it managed to put my extensive
Favorites somewhere I couldn't find it. Had to start from scratch and it
was time consuming and annoying.

So, any hints/help would be appreciated.

Butch


Put your hands behind your head. Stop. Do nothing. I have one or two
newsletters from Brian Livingston, the guy who writes the "Windows Secrets"
book series. Very dependable. I havent' read them through, but if you wait
10 minutes, I'll post them here with the subject line "Watch Out For IE7".

Touch nothing in the meanwhile.

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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:04:12 GMT, "Butch Davis"
wrote:

Am concerned about any bad things that may happen during installation. Last
time I updated an old browser it managed to put my extensive Favorites
somewhere I couldn't find it. Had to start from scratch and it was time
consuming and annoying.

If Favorites are your main concern, I would export them to a safe
destination before the install.

Go to the "File" pulldown menu and look for "Import and Export".

Follow the directions in the "wizard".

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:04:12 GMT, "Butch Davis"
wrote:

Am concerned about any bad things that may happen during installation.
Last
time I updated an old browser it managed to put my extensive Favorites
somewhere I couldn't find it. Had to start from scratch and it was time
consuming and annoying.

If Favorites are your main concern, I would export them to a safe
destination before the install.

Go to the "File" pulldown menu and look for "Import and Export".

Follow the directions in the "wizard".

Another way to back up your important files is to use the windows briefcase.
I haven't tried import/export but I will certainly take a look at it.
Jim

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Thanks, guys. I obviously have some homework to do.

Joe, I read your second post and am about to go to the links.

The main reason I thought 7 might be ready was that they are offering to
automatically send it to users like they do with critical updates.

Butch
"Jim" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:04:12 GMT, "Butch Davis"
wrote:

Am concerned about any bad things that may happen during installation.
Last
time I updated an old browser it managed to put my extensive Favorites
somewhere I couldn't find it. Had to start from scratch and it was time
consuming and annoying.

If Favorites are your main concern, I would export them to a safe
destination before the install.

Go to the "File" pulldown menu and look for "Import and Export".

Follow the directions in the "wizard".

Another way to back up your important files is to use the windows
briefcase.
I haven't tried import/export but I will certainly take a look at it.
Jim

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That's the problem described in the links I sent: They're shoving it onto
users' machines while it's still in beta. In reality, it will be a beta
version for probably a year after MS claims it's done.



"Butch Davis" wrote in message
ink.net...
Thanks, guys. I obviously have some homework to do.

Joe, I read your second post and am about to go to the links.

The main reason I thought 7 might be ready was that they are offering to
automatically send it to users like they do with critical updates.

Butch
"Jim" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:04:12 GMT, "Butch Davis"
wrote:

Am concerned about any bad things that may happen during installation.
Last
time I updated an old browser it managed to put my extensive Favorites
somewhere I couldn't find it. Had to start from scratch and it was time
consuming and annoying.

If Favorites are your main concern, I would export them to a safe
destination before the install.

Go to the "File" pulldown menu and look for "Import and Export".

Follow the directions in the "wizard".

Another way to back up your important files is to use the windows
briefcase.
I haven't tried import/export but I will certainly take a look at it.
Jim

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
That's the problem described in the links I sent: They're shoving it onto
users' machines while it's still in beta. In reality, it will be a beta
version for probably a year after MS claims it's done.



"Butch Davis" wrote in message
ink.net...
Thanks, guys. I obviously have some homework to do.

Joe, I read your second post and am about to go to the links.

The main reason I thought 7 might be ready was that they are offering to
automatically send it to users like they do with critical updates.

Butch
"Jim" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:04:12 GMT, "Butch Davis"
wrote:

Am concerned about any bad things that may happen during installation.
Last
time I updated an old browser it managed to put my extensive Favorites
somewhere I couldn't find it. Had to start from scratch and it was time
consuming and annoying.
If Favorites are your main concern, I would export them to a safe
destination before the install.

Go to the "File" pulldown menu and look for "Import and Export".

Follow the directions in the "wizard".

Another way to back up your important files is to use the windows
briefcase.
I haven't tried import/export but I will certainly take a look at it.
Jim




You can set up Windows Update so it will not download IE7. I agree they
are pushing Vista to meet a deadline, and are willing to ship a Beta if
they have to. They plan on correcting problems with service packs.

I won't install any of the "Vista" segments until the complaints post
in the MS NG's are substantially less than they are now. My guess is it
will take MS at least 6 months to correct the majority of the problems.

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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:06:26 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I won't install any of the "Vista" segments until the complaints post
in the MS NG's are substantially less than they are now. My guess is it
will take MS at least 6 months to correct the majority of the problems.

Not wanting to start a religious war, but I just don't get it. Don't you
ever get tired of the same old MS bull****? There are alternatives.

http://distrowatch.com/

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thunder wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:06:26 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I won't install any of the "Vista" segments until the complaints post
in the MS NG's are substantially less than they are now. My guess is it
will take MS at least 6 months to correct the majority of the problems.

Not wanting to start a religious war, but I just don't get it. Don't you
ever get tired of the same old MS bull****? There are alternatives.

http://distrowatch.com/

I am tired of MS BS, but really don't want to go threw the learning
curve of new software and finding software that will run on Linux

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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:03:32 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I am tired of MS BS, but really don't want to go threw the learning
curve of new software and finding software that will run on Linux

I can understand that, but MS hasn't changed since their beginnings. I
wouldn't expect any change in the near future.

As for the software, there are very few applications that Linux doesn't
have a corresponding program for. True there is a learning curve, but
then Vista might be out in the next year or two, and it will also have a
learning curve.

Hey, I'm a Linux advocate. When I switched, I never looked back. So, just
a suggestion, if you are at all interested. Try a live-cd. It will run
from the CD and won't change anything on your hard drive, but will show
you *some* of the capabilities of Linux.

Try the Desktop CD for your architecture.

http://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux...leases/dapper/

For information on what that CD contains:

http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop

Linux has come a long way.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:11:59 -0000, "thunder"
wrote:

Hey, I'm a Linux advocate. When I switched, I never looked back.

Ok, I'll take you up on that.

But first, explain what it's advantages and disadvantages are.

No viruses.

Terse documentation.

Complicated interfaces.

If something goes wrong you fix it, or ask on the net if you can still
get to it.

Linux is a great environment if your application or needs fit. But, it
is not a general purpose environment for those that want to use a
computer to surf, play video, audio and other general activities.

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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:25:11 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:11:59 -0000, "thunder"
wrote:

Hey, I'm a Linux advocate. When I switched, I never looked back.

Ok, I'll take you up on that.

But first, explain what it's advantages and disadvantages are.

Yikes, you're going to make me think. ;-) First, I've been using Linux
almost exclusively since sometime in the mid-nineties. So a comparison
with Windows, for me, is very difficult.

I switched because I was increasingly frustrated with Windows limited
ability to be configured and it's refusal to do the things I wanted. I
found I was often dropping into DOS to get things done. So, I tried Linux.

Linux is incredibly flexible. You can use a GUI, or not. As for GUIs,
you have a choice of dozens of window managers and several different
desktops, all standard issue. You should be able to find something you
like. Hell, you can even make a desktop quite similar to Windows,
although I don't know why you would want to.

I find it easy to configure, either through the GUI preferences, or
editing a text file. Scripting, if needed, is built in. Shell scripts,
Python, or Perl, are all freely available.

It's rock-solid stable. I leave this machine on 24/7, and the only time
it goes down is for a power outage. I can honestly say, I have never had
a kernel crash, and only a few lock-ups when I was doing something funky.
The lock-ups were always able to be cleared without rebooting.

As for programs, I use Debian and the last time I looked, it had over
8,000 programs freely available for download. There is something for most
any application, and most are quite powerful.

Bugs or security issues are fixed quite promptly, as in days not months.
No viruses, ActiveX disasters, browser insecurities, etc. etc. Oh, and as
an example of speed, this box is an AMD64 running a true 64 bit OS for
over two years. It will need replacement before MS ever gets Vista up and
running.

And it's FREE. I'm off the M$ upgrade train.

Disadvantages? Macromedia hasn't released Flash for 64 bit systems. I
could chroot a 32 bit browser, but I can also live without Flash. For
those who simply can't live without a Windows app, Linux also has a
Windows emulator, wine, which seems to do the trick. Although, I have
never felt the need to use it.

While I find most applications are easily set up, usually automatically,
occasionally there will be problems. Most things are well documented, but
I have had to scratch my head. Setting up a network printer wasn't as
easy as it should have been. Oh, and there is some equipment that is not
supported. Win-printers and Win-modems come to mind, but then, they
aren't true printers or modems. However, you do have to be careful when
purchasing equipment. WiFi cards are particularly difficult, as Linux
supports chips not cards, and card manufacturers quite often switch chips.

Look, Linux may not be for everyone, but it has come a long way, and is
quite serviceable. Try a live CD. It's free, so no harm. Bear in mind,
it will be slower than if it was on your hard drive, but it will show you
some of Linux's capabilities.

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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 08:31:03 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:11:59 -0000, "thunder"
wrote:

Hey, I'm a Linux advocate. When I switched, I never looked back.

Ok, I'll take you up on that.

But first, explain what it's advantages and disadvantages are.

No viruses.

I believe there is one. ;-)

Terse documentation.

Not really. I'll admit some program's documentation is lacking, but much
documentation is quite detailed, and with the net, you can generally find
any answer.

Complicated interfaces.

What interface? There are so many choices.


If something goes wrong you fix it, or ask on the net if you can still
get to it.

Linux is a great environment if your application or needs fit. But, it
is not a general purpose environment for those that want to use a
computer to surf, play video, audio and other general activities.

Seriously, I'm not sure that holds true anymore. Over 8,000 apps, surely
you can find a fit. Oh, as for video and audio, Bill's Digital Rights
Management is getting down right intrusive, IMO.

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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:11:59 -0000, "thunder"
wrote:

Linux has come a long way.

And it has a long way to go.

The problem is that 99.9% of web sites, consumer hardware accessories
and consumer software are designed for the MS/Windows environment. If
it works fine, if not, you are on your own in the wild west.

Linux will always be in catch up mode.

That said, I recently down loaded a Knoppix disk and was pleasantly
surprised in most respects. It didn't support any of my WiFi adapters
however, or my USB thumb drive.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:52:41 -0000, "thunder"
wrote:

Look, Linux may not be for everyone, but it has come a long way, and is
quite serviceable. Try a live CD. It's free, so no harm. Bear in mind,
it will be slower than if it was on your hard drive, but it will show you
some of Linux's capabilities.

Thanks - that was very informative.

I have a spare computer in the office that is just sitting there doing
nothing so I'll give it a shot.

Sounds like a fun winter project early in the morning when I'm half
intelligent. :)

That's dangerous. You'll get it running successfully when you're half awake,
but then you won't remember how.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:11:59 -0000, "thunder"
wrote:

Linux has come a long way.

And it has a long way to go.

The problem is that 99.9% of web sites, consumer hardware accessories
and consumer software are designed for the MS/Windows environment. If
it works fine, if not, you are on your own in the wild west.

Linux will always be in catch up mode.

That said, I recently down loaded a Knoppix disk and was pleasantly
surprised in most respects. It didn't support any of my WiFi adapters
however, or my USB thumb drive.


I've spent plenty of time accessing the web from a friend's Linux machine. I
didn't have any problems with perhaps 20-30 sites.

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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:37:05 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:


That said, I recently down loaded a Knoppix disk and was pleasantly
surprised in most respects. It didn't support any of my WiFi adapters
however, or my USB thumb drive.

WiFi can be problematic. I'm careful to check several hardware
compatibility sites before purchasing any hardware. That being said,
there's a good chance you can get your WiFi working using your Window's
driver and ndiswrapper.

http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/

You might want to try the command lspci in a terminal window. It should
tell you if Knoppix is recognizing your WiFi cards.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:11:59 -0000, "thunder"
wrote:

Linux has come a long way.

And it has a long way to go.

The problem is that 99.9% of web sites, consumer hardware accessories
and consumer software are designed for the MS/Windows environment. If
it works fine, if not, you are on your own in the wild west.

Linux will always be in catch up mode.

That said, I recently down loaded a Knoppix disk and was pleasantly
surprised in most respects. It didn't support any of my WiFi adapters
however, or my USB thumb drive.


Seems like many of the Microsoft alternatives are not totally compatible
with IE, even browsers. I was using Firefox for a while and liked it, but
there were many things it could not display. Some were cured with plug-ins
but some still don't have a supporting plug-in. My website's main page has
a goofy spider that walks around the screen. When viewing in Firefox it is
stuck in the corner. Also I set some transitions that fade out, fade in,
etc. when you go from page to page. They don't work in Firefox.

Eisboch

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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:41:06 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


I've spent plenty of time accessing the web from a friend's Linux machine. I
didn't have any problems with perhaps 20-30 sites.

LOL, you, my friend, have fallen victim to MS's "embrace and extend". If
the site was W3C compliant, it would have rendered perfectly, as all Linux
browsers as far as I know, are W3C compliant. The problem lies with
Windows, as several lawsuits have shown. They will "embrace" an new
technology, say Java, "extend" it my adding some BS extension using their
monopoly to leverage against a defined universal standards, rendering it
less than universal. But hey, not to worry, the vulnerabilities are only
a minimal inconvenience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace...and_extinguish

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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:17:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Seems like many of the Microsoft alternatives are not totally compatible
with IE, even browsers. I was using Firefox for a while and liked it, but
there were many things it could not display. Some were cured with plug-ins
but some still don't have a supporting plug-in. My website's main page has
a goofy spider that walks around the screen. When viewing in Firefox it is
stuck in the corner. Also I set some transitions that fade out, fade in,
etc. when you go from page to page. They don't work in Firefox.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace...and_extinguish

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"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:41:06 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


I've spent plenty of time accessing the web from a friend's Linux
machine. I
didn't have any problems with perhaps 20-30 sites.

LOL, you, my friend, have fallen victim to MS's "embrace and extend". If
the site was W3C compliant, it would have rendered perfectly, as all Linux
browsers as far as I know, are W3C compliant. The problem lies with
Windows, as several lawsuits have shown. They will "embrace" an new
technology, say Java, "extend" it my adding some BS extension using their
monopoly to leverage against a defined universal standards, rendering it
less than universal. But hey, not to worry, the vulnerabilities are only
a minimal inconvenience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace...and_extinguish


Ya know, I randomly find problems on some sites with both IE and Firefox.
They're usually sites that are so badly designed that they don't deserve to
exist anyway.

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:41:06 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


I've spent plenty of time accessing the web from a friend's Linux
machine. I
didn't have any problems with perhaps 20-30 sites.

LOL, you, my friend, have fallen victim to MS's "embrace and extend". If
the site was W3C compliant, it would have rendered perfectly, as all
Linux
browsers as far as I know, are W3C compliant. The problem lies with
Windows, as several lawsuits have shown. They will "embrace" an new
technology, say Java, "extend" it my adding some BS extension using their
monopoly to leverage against a defined universal standards, rendering it
less than universal. But hey, not to worry, the vulnerabilities are only
a minimal inconvenience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace...and_extinguish


Ya know, I randomly find problems on some sites with both IE and Firefox.
They're usually sites that are so badly designed that they don't deserve
to exist anyway.


EXccccuuuusssseee Me?

Eisboch

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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:16:49 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


WiFi can be problematic. I'm careful to check several hardware
compatibility sites before purchasing any hardware. That being said,
there's a good chance you can get your WiFi working using your Window's
driver and ndiswrapper.

http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/

You might want to try the command lspci in a terminal window. It should
tell you if Knoppix is recognizing your WiFi cards.

English please? :)

OK, I'm not a Knoppix user, so I don't know what cards it supports, nor do
I know what cards Wayne.B is using. As I said previously, one of Linux's
disadvantages is certain hardware is not supported. WiFi is especially
problematic as Linux supports chips, not cards, and manufacturers change
chips with abandon. That being said, there is a program ndiswrapper that
will provide a wrapper to the Windows WiFi driver, allowing the card to
work.

I'm not sure if Wayne.B is that interested in getting Linux to work, but
if he were, there are ways to troubleshoot the Knoppix CD. lspci will
list all your pci hardware detected. iwconfig will list all your net
interfaces.

Or, try another live CD. Not all distros are the same, and not all
distros support all the same hardware. I'd suggest Ubuntu. It's quite
modern with new releases several times a year.


http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:41:06 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


I've spent plenty of time accessing the web from a friend's Linux
machine. I
didn't have any problems with perhaps 20-30 sites.

LOL, you, my friend, have fallen victim to MS's "embrace and extend".
If
the site was W3C compliant, it would have rendered perfectly, as all
Linux
browsers as far as I know, are W3C compliant. The problem lies with
Windows, as several lawsuits have shown. They will "embrace" an new
technology, say Java, "extend" it my adding some BS extension using
their
monopoly to leverage against a defined universal standards, rendering it
less than universal. But hey, not to worry, the vulnerabilities are
only
a minimal inconvenience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace...and_extinguish


Ya know, I randomly find problems on some sites with both IE and Firefox.
They're usually sites that are so badly designed that they don't deserve
to exist anyway.


EXccccuuuusssseee Me?

Eisboch

Don't tell me you've never run across web sites which made it obvious that
the designers had NEVER cracked a book before sitting down to build the
monstrosity.

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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:28:39 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


EXccccuuuusssseee Me?

I didn't say that, but then again, I never noticed a spider on your site. ;-)

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

Ya know, I randomly find problems on some sites with both IE and
Firefox. They're usually sites that are so badly designed that they
don't deserve to exist anyway.


EXccccuuuusssseee Me?

Eisboch

Don't tell me you've never run across web sites which made it obvious that
the designers had NEVER cracked a book before sitting down to build the
monstrosity.


Gimmie a "Whoooosh"

Eisboch :-)

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

Ya know, I randomly find problems on some sites with both IE and
Firefox. They're usually sites that are so badly designed that they
don't deserve to exist anyway.


EXccccuuuusssseee Me?

Eisboch

Don't tell me you've never run across web sites which made it obvious
that the designers had NEVER cracked a book before sitting down to build
the monstrosity.


Gimmie a "Whoooosh"

Eisboch :-)


My point was this, Mr Whoosh: If you spend enough time in newsgroups where
IE and Firefox are discussed, you'll find both of the rabid followings
blaming the other browser when a site doesn't work. But, they get very quiet
(and stupid) when a site exhibits the exact same defects on both browsers.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

Ya know, I randomly find problems on some sites with both IE and
Firefox. They're usually sites that are so badly designed that they
don't deserve to exist anyway.


EXccccuuuusssseee Me?

Eisboch

Don't tell me you've never run across web sites which made it obvious
that the designers had NEVER cracked a book before sitting down to build
the monstrosity.


Gimmie a "Whoooosh"

Eisboch :-)


Actually, the amount of knowledge or reading required to create a basic
website is minimal now-a-days.
I remember spending hours finding and debugging lines in html code when I
first set up the "Boats of rec.boats" website back in ... what ... 1996 or
1997? It was all done in html code of which I had little knowledge.

Now, everything is done for you. I use PageMaker which resides on the
internet (Yahoo). It's not even on my computer. You can get quite fancy
with it, but I've kept it very simple.

Eisboch

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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:41:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


You know what all this reminds me of?

The bad old days of CPM. :)

Slightly before my time, but IIRC, you one time mentioned that you loved
DOS. That you "could make it sing", IIRC. One of the things I like about
Linux, it has a GUI, yes, but it also integrates a command line. I find I
still use the command line quite often, a through back to my DOS days, no
doubt.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

Ya know, I randomly find problems on some sites with both IE and
Firefox. They're usually sites that are so badly designed that they
don't deserve to exist anyway.


EXccccuuuusssseee Me?

Eisboch

Don't tell me you've never run across web sites which made it obvious
that the designers had NEVER cracked a book before sitting down to build
the monstrosity.


Gimmie a "Whoooosh"

Eisboch :-)


Actually, the amount of knowledge or reading required to create a basic
website is minimal now-a-days.
I remember spending hours finding and debugging lines in html code when I
first set up the "Boats of rec.boats" website back in ... what ... 1996 or
1997? It was all done in html code of which I had little knowledge.

Now, everything is done for you. I use PageMaker which resides on the
internet (Yahoo). It's not even on my computer. You can get quite fancy
with it, but I've kept it very simple.

Eisboch

At least once a week, I run across a web site whose drop-down menus don't
work, and these are not home-made sites (theoretically). They're commercial
sites. Not for long, though.

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...


My point was this, Mr Whoosh: If you spend enough time in newsgroups where
IE and Firefox are discussed, you'll find both of the rabid followings
blaming the other browser when a site doesn't work. But, they get very
quiet (and stupid) when a site exhibits the exact same defects on both
browsers.


I understand.

When PCs were first becoming commonplace (pre i286 days through the
introduction of the first Pentium) I was hooked. Everytime a new processor
came out or more RAM became available I had to have it. Same with operating
systems and software. I must have gone through 12 computers or major
upgrades in six years.

Now, the computers have far more capability than I have of using them. To
me they've become a tool rather than a hobby. Right now I am using a HP
Pavilion zd8000 that I've had for a year or more and it does everything I
need. And, crazy as it seems, so does Windows XP, Internet Explorer and OE.
I don't have any need to experiment with new operating systems or browsers.
Windows XP rarely "locks up" but if it does it corrects without having to
re-boot. I've only had one weird experience (think I got a worm or
something) that was easily cured by simply restoring the configuration back
to an earlier date. And what is really strange ... I don't use any
anti-virus.. I disabled Norton the day I got the computer based on the many
problems my wife constantly had with her computer that were a result of
using Norton. The only firewall I have is that provided by my ISP and
whatever Microsoft has in it's software.

Works fine, lasts a long time.

Eisboch

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:48:44 -0000, "thunder"
wrote:

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:41:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


You know what all this reminds me of?

The bad old days of CPM. :)

Slightly before my time, but IIRC, you one time mentioned that you loved
DOS. That you "could make it sing", IIRC. One of the things I like about
Linux, it has a GUI, yes, but it also integrates a command line. I find I
still use the command line quite often, a through back to my DOS days, no
doubt.

You mentioned that and believe it or not, that's why I want to try it.

I loved DOS in all it's iterations - every mini computer manufacturer
had a version of DOS and they were al pretty similar. I could do
anything I wanted in DOS - I had a real affinity for it. When I was
working for a CNC manufacturer, I could interface machine code and DOS
in my sleep.

I never really took to GUI, although I use it now, because I see it
as the Spawn of The Devil - namely Macs.

Macs were made for dumbasses and those who have no ability to work in
DOS because it was "too difficult". :)

There - that ought to start a fight. :)

I used to use a version of Excel which came with (apparently) a runtime
Windows kernel so it could be used on a machine without Windows installed. I
had no mouse, so the Mac users would constantly tell me how I wasn't getting
the full benefit of Excel. Of course, this made no sense, since I was able
to create spreadsheets & graphs faster than they could. And, they could
never quite explain how a mouse helps with typing words & numbers.

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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:01:36 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I loved DOS in all it's iterations - every mini computer manufacturer
had a version of DOS and they were al pretty similar. I could do
anything I wanted in DOS - I had a real affinity for it. When I was
working for a CNC manufacturer, I could interface machine code and DOS
in my sleep.

It's also a strong part of the reason I switched. I've always felt more
control and POWER using the command line. Now, of course, it isn't DOS,
but it is a command line.


I never really took to GUI, although I use it now, because I see it
as the Spawn of The Devil - namely Macs.

Macs were made for dumbasses and those who have no ability to work in
DOS because it was "too difficult". :)

There - that ought to start a fight. :)

Don't know, are there any Mac users here? By the way, the new Max OSx is
quite *nix like, I am told.

Very OT - IE7RC1 Installation
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...


My point was this, Mr Whoosh: If you spend enough time in newsgroups
where IE and Firefox are discussed, you'll find both of the rabid
followings blaming the other browser when a site doesn't work. But, they
get very quiet (and stupid) when a site exhibits the exact same defects
on both browsers.


I understand.

When PCs were first becoming commonplace (pre i286 days through the
introduction of the first Pentium) I was hooked. Everytime a new
processor came out or more RAM became available I had to have it. Same
with operating systems and software. I must have gone through 12
computers or major upgrades in six years.

Now, the computers have far more capability than I have of using them. To
me they've become a tool rather than a hobby. Right now I am using a HP
Pavilion zd8000 that I've had for a year or more and it does everything I
need. And, crazy as it seems, so does Windows XP, Internet Explorer and
OE. I don't have any need to experiment with new operating systems or
browsers. Windows XP rarely "locks up" but if it does it corrects without
having to re-boot. I've only had one weird experience (think I got a worm
or something) that was easily cured by simply restoring the configuration
back to an earlier date. And what is really strange ... I don't use any
anti-virus.. I disabled Norton the day I got the computer based on the
many problems my wife constantly had with her computer that were a result
of using Norton. The only firewall I have is that provided by my ISP and
whatever Microsoft has in it's software.

Works fine, lasts a long time.

Eisboch


Norton what? The big fat do-everything suite? I use just their AV program.
Never a problem. As far as a firewall, the one provided with Windows does
not detect nasties attempting to contact the outside world from within your
machine. Neither does the one provided by your ISP.

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...


Norton what? The big fat do-everything suite? I use just their AV program.
Never a problem. As far as a firewall, the one provided with Windows does
not detect nasties attempting to contact the outside world from within
your machine. Neither does the one provided by your ISP.


The answer to that is simple. I don't have anything on my computer that I
want to protect from the outside world. I don't keep credit card info on it
.... and if someone wants to follow my keystrokes to see where I go on the
'net, I am sure they will quickly become very bored.

I also "disconnect" from the server whenever I am not using the computer. I
think that practice, by itself, has prevented many problems.

Eisboch

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:05:07 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

And what is really strange ... I don't use any anti-virus..

Neither does my oldest and he never gets hit and his computer works
fine and dandy.

Me? I must attract them or something.

Mrs.E. is constantly having to get her "cleaned" and she has anti-everthing
installed on it. I think the problem she is having is three-fold.

1. She's addicted to the stupid AOL Instant Messenger thing and communicates
to all the kids and friends
with it. She even has the stupid video camera.
2. She leaves the computer "connected" to the server (we have a house WiFi
setup) all the time, even
when she's not using it.
3. She won't listen to me.

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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:07:40 -0000, "thunder"
wrote:

That being said,
there's a good chance you can get your WiFi working using your Window's
driver and ndiswrapper.

http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/

You might want to try the command lspci in a terminal window. It should
tell you if Knoppix is recognizing your WiFi cards.

I'm sure that with enough fiddling it could be made to work but that
takes you off into the world of Linux land and Linux speak which I'd
really like to avoid if what I'm really trying to do is accomplish
something else.

For all that people like to disparage Windows plug'n'play, it really
works quite nicely most of the time.