"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Ya know, I randomly find problems on some sites with both IE and
Firefox. They're usually sites that are so badly designed that they
don't deserve to exist anyway.


EXccccuuuusssseee Me?

Eisboch

Don't tell me you've never run across web sites which made it obvious
that the designers had NEVER cracked a book before sitting down to build
the monstrosity.


Gimmie a "Whoooosh"

Eisboch :-)


Actually, the amount of knowledge or reading required to create a basic
website is minimal now-a-days.
I remember spending hours finding and debugging lines in html code when I
first set up the "Boats of rec.boats" website back in ... what ... 1996 or
1997? It was all done in html code of which I had little knowledge.

Now, everything is done for you. I use PageMaker which resides on the
internet (Yahoo). It's not even on my computer. You can get quite fancy
with it, but I've kept it very simple.

Eisboch

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:41:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


You know what all this reminds me of?

The bad old days of CPM. :)

Slightly before my time, but IIRC, you one time mentioned that you loved
DOS. That you "could make it sing", IIRC. One of the things I like about
Linux, it has a GUI, yes, but it also integrates a command line. I find I
still use the command line quite often, a through back to my DOS days, no
doubt.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Ya know, I randomly find problems on some sites with both IE and
Firefox. They're usually sites that are so badly designed that they
don't deserve to exist anyway.


EXccccuuuusssseee Me?

Eisboch

Don't tell me you've never run across web sites which made it obvious
that the designers had NEVER cracked a book before sitting down to build
the monstrosity.


Gimmie a "Whoooosh"

Eisboch :-)


Actually, the amount of knowledge or reading required to create a basic
website is minimal now-a-days.
I remember spending hours finding and debugging lines in html code when I
first set up the "Boats of rec.boats" website back in ... what ... 1996 or
1997? It was all done in html code of which I had little knowledge.

Now, everything is done for you. I use PageMaker which resides on the
internet (Yahoo). It's not even on my computer. You can get quite fancy
with it, but I've kept it very simple.

Eisboch

At least once a week, I run across a web site whose drop-down menus don't
work, and these are not home-made sites (theoretically). They're commercial
sites. Not for long, though.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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My point was this, Mr Whoosh: If you spend enough time in newsgroups where
IE and Firefox are discussed, you'll find both of the rabid followings
blaming the other browser when a site doesn't work. But, they get very
quiet (and stupid) when a site exhibits the exact same defects on both
browsers.


I understand.

When PCs were first becoming commonplace (pre i286 days through the
introduction of the first Pentium) I was hooked. Everytime a new processor
came out or more RAM became available I had to have it. Same with operating
systems and software. I must have gone through 12 computers or major
upgrades in six years.

Now, the computers have far more capability than I have of using them. To
me they've become a tool rather than a hobby. Right now I am using a HP
Pavilion zd8000 that I've had for a year or more and it does everything I
need. And, crazy as it seems, so does Windows XP, Internet Explorer and OE.
I don't have any need to experiment with new operating systems or browsers.
Windows XP rarely "locks up" but if it does it corrects without having to
re-boot. I've only had one weird experience (think I got a worm or
something) that was easily cured by simply restoring the configuration back
to an earlier date. And what is really strange ... I don't use any
anti-virus.. I disabled Norton the day I got the computer based on the many
problems my wife constantly had with her computer that were a result of
using Norton. The only firewall I have is that provided by my ISP and
whatever Microsoft has in it's software.

Works fine, lasts a long time.

Eisboch

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:48:44 -0000, "thunder"
wrote:

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:41:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


You know what all this reminds me of?

The bad old days of CPM. :)

Slightly before my time, but IIRC, you one time mentioned that you loved
DOS. That you "could make it sing", IIRC. One of the things I like about
Linux, it has a GUI, yes, but it also integrates a command line. I find I
still use the command line quite often, a through back to my DOS days, no
doubt.

You mentioned that and believe it or not, that's why I want to try it.

I loved DOS in all it's iterations - every mini computer manufacturer
had a version of DOS and they were al pretty similar. I could do
anything I wanted in DOS - I had a real affinity for it. When I was
working for a CNC manufacturer, I could interface machine code and DOS
in my sleep.

I never really took to GUI, although I use it now, because I see it
as the Spawn of The Devil - namely Macs.

Macs were made for dumbasses and those who have no ability to work in
DOS because it was "too difficult". :)

There - that ought to start a fight. :)

I used to use a version of Excel which came with (apparently) a runtime
Windows kernel so it could be used on a machine without Windows installed. I
had no mouse, so the Mac users would constantly tell me how I wasn't getting
the full benefit of Excel. Of course, this made no sense, since I was able
to create spreadsheets & graphs faster than they could. And, they could
never quite explain how a mouse helps with typing words & numbers.

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:01:36 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I loved DOS in all it's iterations - every mini computer manufacturer
had a version of DOS and they were al pretty similar. I could do
anything I wanted in DOS - I had a real affinity for it. When I was
working for a CNC manufacturer, I could interface machine code and DOS
in my sleep.

It's also a strong part of the reason I switched. I've always felt more
control and POWER using the command line. Now, of course, it isn't DOS,
but it is a command line.


I never really took to GUI, although I use it now, because I see it
as the Spawn of The Devil - namely Macs.

Macs were made for dumbasses and those who have no ability to work in
DOS because it was "too difficult". :)

There - that ought to start a fight. :)

Don't know, are there any Mac users here? By the way, the new Max OSx is
quite *nix like, I am told.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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My point was this, Mr Whoosh: If you spend enough time in newsgroups
where IE and Firefox are discussed, you'll find both of the rabid
followings blaming the other browser when a site doesn't work. But, they
get very quiet (and stupid) when a site exhibits the exact same defects
on both browsers.


I understand.

When PCs were first becoming commonplace (pre i286 days through the
introduction of the first Pentium) I was hooked. Everytime a new
processor came out or more RAM became available I had to have it. Same
with operating systems and software. I must have gone through 12
computers or major upgrades in six years.

Now, the computers have far more capability than I have of using them. To
me they've become a tool rather than a hobby. Right now I am using a HP
Pavilion zd8000 that I've had for a year or more and it does everything I
need. And, crazy as it seems, so does Windows XP, Internet Explorer and
OE. I don't have any need to experiment with new operating systems or
browsers. Windows XP rarely "locks up" but if it does it corrects without
having to re-boot. I've only had one weird experience (think I got a worm
or something) that was easily cured by simply restoring the configuration
back to an earlier date. And what is really strange ... I don't use any
anti-virus.. I disabled Norton the day I got the computer based on the
many problems my wife constantly had with her computer that were a result
of using Norton. The only firewall I have is that provided by my ISP and
whatever Microsoft has in it's software.

Works fine, lasts a long time.

Eisboch


Norton what? The big fat do-everything suite? I use just their AV program.
Never a problem. As far as a firewall, the one provided with Windows does
not detect nasties attempting to contact the outside world from within your
machine. Neither does the one provided by your ISP.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Norton what? The big fat do-everything suite? I use just their AV program.
Never a problem. As far as a firewall, the one provided with Windows does
not detect nasties attempting to contact the outside world from within
your machine. Neither does the one provided by your ISP.


The answer to that is simple. I don't have anything on my computer that I
want to protect from the outside world. I don't keep credit card info on it
.... and if someone wants to follow my keystrokes to see where I go on the
'net, I am sure they will quickly become very bored.

I also "disconnect" from the server whenever I am not using the computer. I
think that practice, by itself, has prevented many problems.

Eisboch

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:05:07 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

And what is really strange ... I don't use any anti-virus..

Neither does my oldest and he never gets hit and his computer works
fine and dandy.

Me? I must attract them or something.

Mrs.E. is constantly having to get her "cleaned" and she has anti-everthing
installed on it. I think the problem she is having is three-fold.

1. She's addicted to the stupid AOL Instant Messenger thing and communicates
to all the kids and friends
with it. She even has the stupid video camera.
2. She leaves the computer "connected" to the server (we have a house WiFi
setup) all the time, even
when she's not using it.
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:07:40 -0000, "thunder"
wrote:

That being said,
there's a good chance you can get your WiFi working using your Window's
driver and ndiswrapper.

http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/

You might want to try the command lspci in a terminal window. It should
tell you if Knoppix is recognizing your WiFi cards.

I'm sure that with enough fiddling it could be made to work but that
takes you off into the world of Linux land and Linux speak which I'd
really like to avoid if what I'm really trying to do is accomplish
something else.

For all that people like to disparage Windows plug'n'play, it really
works quite nicely most of the time.