Overheating Perkins revisited.....
 

Not long ago we had a guy post that his Perkins was running progressively
hotter.

Consistent with my program of swapping out the oldest peripheral part each
year, today I yanked off the 22 year old heat exchanger and replaced it with a
new one.

I found out there are two heat exchangers for the 6354, one that extends 14"
from the expansion tank and one that extends 9.5". The turbo models are
supposed to use the 14", but mine was originally plumbed for the 9.5" and has
been running well within specs at all times. I stuck another 9.5" on, rather
than start reinventing the plumbing. The 14" would also have extended across
the front of the turbo-intake screen, although about 7-8" away, and I wasn't
entirely convinced that might not have an effect on air flow.

I had been running about 10-15 degrees hotter this summer at speeds above 1800
RPM. Not only was my heat exchanger ready to be replaced, (the local Perkins
guru says the life expectancy should be 10-15 years), but a couple of chunks of
pencil zinc had fallen off the zinc nuts in the past, and were laying across
the raw water inlet. Probably explains why I was running hot at high RPM,
inadequate raw water cooling flow.

Anyway, the job was very easy. I'm the world's worst mechanic, and it took me
under two hours start to finish using a $49 socket set. We're heading north in
about a month, and that will takes one more thing off the "to do" list before
we go.
If I still own the same boat in another 15 years, I won't hesitate to swap the
heat exchanger again. :-)

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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Not long ago we had a guy post that his Perkins was running progressively
hotter.

My brother has two perkins diesel fresh water cooled engines. His also
overheat at RPM's above 1800. We have traced the problem to obstructions in
the raw water cooling. Specifically the transmission cooling. I'm trying
to get him to reroute the fresh water through the transmission with possibly
a partial bypass. This will keep the iron in the transmission from
corroding shut and increase raw water cooling.

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Have you guys ever wondered why there isn't a fresh water flush built
into these systems?

This stuff doesn't corrode in the short time it's running. It
corrodes like this sitting there with salt in it...duhhh..

It would be SO simple to connect a flushing valve from the boat's
fresh water system to the salt cooling system and flush the salt out
of it right after the engines were shut down, then close the seacocks
to keep the salt out of them, wouldn't it?

Hell, for what these boats cost, it could be solenoid operated valves
with a pushbutton by the key saying "FLUSH" like the commodes!



On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:18:02 -0400, "Jeff Rigby"
wrote:


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Not long ago we had a guy post that his Perkins was running progressively
hotter.

My brother has two perkins diesel fresh water cooled engines. His also
overheat at RPM's above 1800. We have traced the problem to obstructions in
the raw water cooling. Specifically the transmission cooling. I'm trying
to get him to reroute the fresh water through the transmission with possibly
a partial bypass. This will keep the iron in the transmission from
corroding shut and increase raw water cooling.




Larry W4CSC

Maybe we could get the power grid fixed if every politician
regulating the power companies wasn't on their payrolls.

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Have you guys ever wondered why there isn't a fresh water flush built
into these systems?

This stuff doesn't corrode in the short time it's running. It
corrodes like this sitting there with salt in it...duhhh..

The problem isn't corrosion, per se. The heat exchanger is a bundle of bronze
tubes, and the expansion tank is aluminum (the better to radiate heat). Stuff
just gets plugged up and weak after a couple of decades. Recommended service
life is 10-15 years on the heat exchanger, and mine had served well over 20.
Just think, if I had a gas engine, even running exculsively in fresh water, I
would have been replacing the entire engine......for the second time. :-)

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Corrosion only requires:

Anode
Cathode
Electrolyte
Path

Anode = Aluminum
Cathode = Bronze
Electrolyte = saline
Path = metal-to-metal

The idiot that designed this system could not possibly have created a
better battery -- spell that corrosion -- if he/she tried.

This is a recipe for sure and scientifically verifiable premature
failure.

--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time Pictures at
My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at
Lee Yeaton's Bayguide



Zinc anodes have prevented any serious corrosion on this unit since 1982.

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Overheating Perkins revisited.....
 

On 20 Aug 2003 10:59:08 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message
Zinc anodes have prevented any serious corrosion on this unit since 1982.

Unfortunately, this is one area many people neglect. I've been guilty
of it myself. One year I didn't bother to change the pencil zinc on my
heat exchanger and when I checked it the next year, it was completely
wasted. It's such a cheap and easy thing to do, I won't be neglecting
it again. Fortunately, my heat exchanger is still working perfectly and
engine temps are in the normal range under all conditions.

Takes a real simpleton to neglect to change something as common of a
maintenence item as zincs on a boat. How did you come to decide NOT to
change them out? It is a real simple thing.

What, you can't read plain english? I told you above, I just didn't
bother to change the pencil zinc on the heat exchanger. Now, if you're
truly interested in an answer and aren't simply trying to be just the
stupid moron you usually are, I'll answer why I didn't change it.

In the previous years when I changed it, there was still a lot left. In
fact, sometimes it was hardly gone at all. But my usage of the boat and
the water it sees differs from year to year. Some years it's mostly in
fresh water. Others it sees some brine and some salt water. Other
years, it's almost entirely in salt water. Sometimes, I go back and
forth from week to week or even more frequently. So the waste rate of
the zinc varies tremendously. If the boat stays in fresh water, it's
probably ok to let the heat exchanger zinc go 2 years. But towards the
end of the 2nd year, it saw a lot of salt water use so I probably lost
most of it during that time. The exchanger is still in perfect
condition with no visible corrosion inside or out. It is only 6 years
old though.

I should probably be using magnesium in fresh water. But since I change
waters so frequently, the magnesium would waste away very fast if I head
to salt water. So I stick with zinc. Also, pencil zincs are much
easier to find. In fact, I haven't seen a pencil mag stocked in the
chandleries I frequent. But the zincs have been doing ok so far, so
I'll stick with them.

Now, let's see if you can be a normal person for a change or if you come
back with another stupid smart ass response.

Steve

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Overheating Perkins revisited.....
 

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On 22 Aug 2003 04:10:23 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message
Yup, I just knew you couldn't behave like a normal person. Your
despondency and frustrations are obviously gnawing at you. You really
should take a vacation before you pop a gasket. And you should stop
posting while you're drunk from all that homebrew.

Steve

Please provide any evidence that I was "drunk on homebrew". I love it.
I mention that I homebrew, and because you know I'm right, you simply
use that as a crutch, and probably will a lot! What do you disagree
with in my replys on this subject?

Your simplistic belligerant attitude which was obvious from your post:
Takes a real simpleton to neglect to change something as
common of a maintenence item as zincs on a boat.

Then when I explained why I didn't change heat exhanger pencil zinc and
that the real reason was more than just neglect, you snipped out the
explanation and responded with:
You LIAR!! See here, you yourself said that you are guilty of NEGLECT.
So, yes, I can read plain English, where you said that you neglected

Your simplistic belligerance and foolish bluster is the evidence that
you're an alcohol abuser, and is a common indicator. Since there is
evidence you were drunk and since you said you're a homebrewer, put 2
and 2 together and it's likely that you were drunk on your own homebrew.
But I'll conceed that there is also the possibility you went to the
store to buy your hooch.

Stev e

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Please provide what "evidence" you have that I am an "alcohol abuser".
Please provide the "evidence" that I was "drunk" when I replied to
your post.

http://tinyurl.com/l60z

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"Joe" wrote in message
...

Please provide what "evidence" you have that I am an "alcohol abuser".
Please provide the "evidence" that I was "drunk" when I replied to
your post.

http://tinyurl.com/l60z



I didn't know you were only a white belt.

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Steve,
While bass has admitted he grows dope, he has never admitted that he smokes
it, so while he might brew and drink his own beer, I for one don't think he
actually swallows it.


"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...
On 25 Aug 2003 04:53:23 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message
...
On 22 Aug 2003 04:10:23 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message
Yup, I just knew you couldn't behave like a normal person. Your
despondency and frustrations are obviously gnawing at you. You
really
should take a vacation before you pop a gasket. And you should stop
posting while you're drunk from all that homebrew.

Steve

Please provide any evidence that I was "drunk on homebrew". I love it.
I mention that I homebrew, and because you know I'm right, you simply
use that as a crutch, and probably will a lot! What do you disagree
with in my replys on this subject?

Your simplistic belligerant attitude which was obvious from your post:
Takes a real simpleton to neglect to change something as
common of a maintenence item as zincs on a boat.

Then when I explained why I didn't change heat exhanger pencil zinc and
that the real reason was more than just neglect, you snipped out the
explanation and responded with:
You LIAR!! See here, you yourself said that you are guilty of NEGLECT.
So, yes, I can read plain English, where you said that you neglected

Your simplistic belligerance and foolish bluster is the evidence that
you're an alcohol abuser, and is a common indicator. Since there is
evidence you were drunk and since you said you're a homebrewer, put 2
and 2 together and it's likely that you were drunk on your own
homebrew.
But I'll conceed that there is also the possibility you went to the
store to buy your hooch.

Stev e

Bwaaahaa!!! What a ****ing IDIOT you are!! You WERE a liar, and still
are. You originally said that you didn't change the damned zinc,
because you were guilty of NEGLECTING it. Then you tried to say that
you didn't change it because you didn't think it needed it. That is
lying. Now, because I caught you in a STUPID lie, to save face you try

You just proved you don't even know what lying is. Of course I said I
neglected to change it. And I said why I neglected to change it,
because I didn't think it needed to be changed. Simple english is
obviously not your forte' if you think there was lying involved. You
seem to be confusing the word neglect with forget. They really do mean
two different things, really. And it really is possible to purposefully
neglect to do something and have a reason for doing so.. really, it is.
Brush up on your language skills a little and you might not seem like
such an idiot to everyone.

to say I was drunk. You have no evidence at all. To make such a
statement is TRUE ignorance, right out of the dictionary.
Please provide what "evidence" you have that I am an "alcohol abuser".
Please provide the "evidence" that I was "drunk" when I replied to
your post.

Again for the simpleminded like you who obviously need everything
repeated many times before you even have a slim chance of understanding
it, the evidence that you are an alcohol abuser is your simplistic
belligerance and foolish bluster which is evident in this thread and
several others. The simplistic belligerance and foolish bluster that
you exhibit are two prime indicators of alcohol abuse.

Steve

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Overheating Perkins revisited.....
 

"Joe" wrote in message .. .
"Joe" wrote in message
...

Please provide what "evidence" you have that I am an "alcohol abuser".
Please provide the "evidence" that I was "drunk" when I replied to
your post.

http://tinyurl.com/l60z



I didn't know you were only a white belt.

And I didn't know you were only an idiot, and a cable puller, JoeTechnician.

Overheating Perkins revisited.....
 

On 26 Aug 2003 04:26:22 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 22 Aug 2003 04:10:23 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message
Yup, I just knew you couldn't behave like a normal person. Your
despondency and frustrations are obviously gnawing at you. You really
should take a vacation before you pop a gasket. And you should stop
posting while you're drunk from all that homebrew.

Steve

Please provide any evidence that I was "drunk on homebrew". I love it.
I mention that I homebrew, and because you know I'm right, you simply
use that as a crutch, and probably will a lot! What do you disagree
with in my replys on this subject?

Your simplistic belligerant attitude which was obvious from your post:
Takes a real simpleton to neglect to change something as
common of a maintenence item as zincs on a boat.

Then when I explained why I didn't change heat exhanger pencil zinc and
that the real reason was more than just neglect, you snipped out the
explanation and responded with:
You LIAR!! See here, you yourself said that you are guilty of NEGLECT.
So, yes, I can read plain English, where you said that you neglected

Your simplistic belligerance and foolish bluster is the evidence that
you're an alcohol abuser, and is a common indicator. Since there is
evidence you were drunk and since you said you're a homebrewer, put 2
and 2 together and it's likely that you were drunk on your own homebrew.
But I'll conceed that there is also the possibility you went to the
store to buy your hooch.

"Evidence" I was drunk? You are one dumb person!!! Let's see, you'd be
able to establish, as "evidence" that someone is drunk by a newsgroup
post? Police agencies everywhere will want you to do this for them.

Yes, it is evidence you were drunk.

They'll call you and say, Steve, I think we've got a drunk driver
here, and want you to take a look at a newsgroup post we'll have him
make, to see if indeed he is!!! What a stupid, stupid man....

There's another one of your stupid strawman arguments. Just because
there is evidence you were drunk doesn't mean it's evidence that will
hold up in court in a drunk driver case. The way your simple, idiotic
mind works is really flabbergasting sometimes.

Steve

Overheating Perkins revisited.....
 

Overheating Perkins revisited.....
 

When are we going to hear from Walt again?

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On 26 Aug 2003 12:04:05 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message
There's another one of your stupid strawman arguments. Just because
there is evidence you were drunk doesn't mean it's evidence that will
hold up in court in a drunk driver case. The way your simple, idiotic
mind works is really flabbergasting sometimes.

Steve

Again, what an idiot. Please, do tell, just what kind of "evidence" do
you have that I was drunk when I posted? Answer, NONE. It is called

For the third time, your simplistic belligerance and foolish bluster is
the evidence that you're an alcohol abuser and were drunk when you
posted. Those are common indicators. It doesn't mean you positively
100% absolutely were drunk when you posted. But it is simply evidence
that you were.

speculation. Plain and simple. Just because you think, in your own
stupid mind, that there is "evidence", doesn't mean that there IS. The

But there is evidence you were drunk. Again, evidence of something
doesn't necessarily mean it must be so. But in your case, the evidence
I posted in addition to the fact that you have an abundant supply of
alcohol available makes a pretty good case.

flabbergasting part is the way that you think that, because YOU rant
about something, that there is some factual basis in it. Again, please
provide the EVIDENCE, NOT SPECULATION that I was drunk when I made the
post. No idiotic diatribe, etc., just the evidence, please. Where is
it?

I've provided it at least 3 times. You're just too much of a moron to
understand the difference between evidence and verdict. More proof that
you really do need some basic english language courses.

Steve

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"Joe" wrote in message . ..
When are we going to hear from Walt again?

When are you going to be an engineer, JoeTechnician?

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Overheating Perkins revisited.....
 

On 27 Aug 2003 03:52:13 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 26 Aug 2003 04:26:22 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 22 Aug 2003 04:10:23 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message
Yup, I just knew you couldn't behave like a normal person. Your
despondency and frustrations are obviously gnawing at you. You really
should take a vacation before you pop a gasket. And you should stop
posting while you're drunk from all that homebrew.

Steve

Please provide any evidence that I was "drunk on homebrew". I love it.
I mention that I homebrew, and because you know I'm right, you simply
use that as a crutch, and probably will a lot! What do you disagree
with in my replys on this subject?

Your simplistic belligerant attitude which was obvious from your post:
Takes a real simpleton to neglect to change something as
common of a maintenence item as zincs on a boat.

Then when I explained why I didn't change heat exhanger pencil zinc and
that the real reason was more than just neglect, you snipped out the
explanation and responded with:
You LIAR!! See here, you yourself said that you are guilty of NEGLECT.
So, yes, I can read plain English, where you said that you neglected

Your simplistic belligerance and foolish bluster is the evidence that
you're an alcohol abuser, and is a common indicator. Since there is
evidence you were drunk and since you said you're a homebrewer, put 2
and 2 together and it's likely that you were drunk on your own homebrew.
But I'll conceed that there is also the possibility you went to the
store to buy your hooch.

"Evidence" I was drunk? You are one dumb person!!! Let's see, you'd be
able to establish, as "evidence" that someone is drunk by a newsgroup
post? Police agencies everywhere will want you to do this for them.

Yes, it is evidence you were drunk.

They'll call you and say, Steve, I think we've got a drunk driver
here, and want you to take a look at a newsgroup post we'll have him
make, to see if indeed he is!!! What a stupid, stupid man....

There's another one of your stupid strawman arguments. Just because
there is evidence you were drunk doesn't mean it's evidence that will
hold up in court in a drunk driver case. The way your simple, idiotic
mind works is really flabbergasting sometimes.

Steve

Do you understand, the difference between speculation and evidence.

Apparently you don't. I'm speculating you were drunk because there is
evidence you were. If there wasn't any evidence you were drunk, then I
wouldn't have speculated you were.

Again, you are just speculating. You think that because the all mighty
twit Steve says so, that it is evidence. What a ****ing moron you are.
So, let's see, everything that I say, whether there is ANY shred of
truth, or real evidence, I can, because I say so, CALL it evidence? I
can't? Hmm, you are!
So, I have evidence that Steve is a blow hard, who thinks he is always
right, and also thinks he is therefore an expert in everything. THAT
"evidence" proves, without a doubt that he is suffering from some
dilussional mental deficency. THAT in turn, is evidence that he should
be commited to a mental institution to get off of the drugs he is
taking.
See how that works, Steve? THAT is exactly what happens when people
like you are stupid enough to not know the difference between
speculation, and evidence.

Chasing your tail will only get you dizzy. Doing so in public will get
you laughed at.

Steve

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Overheating Perkins revisited.....
 

On 29 Aug 2003 05:13:04 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 28 Aug 2003 04:52:04 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message
Again, you are just speculating. You think that because the all mighty
twit Steve says so, that it is evidence. What a ****ing moron you are.
So, let's see, everything that I say, whether there is ANY shred of
truth, or real evidence, I can, because I say so, CALL it evidence? I
can't? Hmm, you are!
So, I have evidence that Steve is a blow hard, who thinks he is always
right, and also thinks he is therefore an expert in everything. THAT
"evidence" proves, without a doubt that he is suffering from some
dilussional mental deficency. THAT in turn, is evidence that he should
be commited to a mental institution to get off of the drugs he is
taking.
See how that works, Steve? THAT is exactly what happens when people
like you are stupid enough to not know the difference between
speculation, and evidence.

Chasing your tail will only get you dizzy. Doing so in public will get
you laughed at.

so again, using YOUR ignorant reasoning, if someone says something in
a newsgroup, then anybody else that reads it, can, at there whim, say
something like "by the way you posted that, it appears that you are a
heroin addict", then that in fact, becomes EVIDENCE?? What a stupid

No. That's your ignorant interpretation of my reasoning, proof that
you've lost your ability to reason.

You idiot, it's EXACTLY the reasoning you used to come to the
conclusion, with your so called "evidence" that I was "drunk" when I
posted. Not a lot like it, EXACTLY like it.

Actually, it was nothing like it. You forgot the main difference is
that there has to be evidence. It can't be at there [sic] whim. It
can't be just anything someone says in a newsgroup. But if there's
evidence in what they say that they are a heroin addict, then of couse
they can say it. But we all know you're to stupid to see the
difference. Hell, you've admitted you're to stupid to see the differece
just above.

****ing putz you are!! So, because I have caught you trying to
impersonate someone who is trained in Karate, I have evidence that you
are schizophrenic. Now, are you seeking help for your schizophrenic
tendencies? See how, using YOUR idiotic methodology, you are forever
deemed as a schizophrenic, due to your tendencies to think you are
trained in things you know nothing about. Now remember, using your
stupid reasoning, I have actual evidence of this.

Watching your mental breakdown as it happens in a public forum has been
interesting. There's a case study in you just waiting to be done. If
it were anyone else, I'd feel pity. But in your case, I'll just keep
prodding.

You are an idiot schizophrenic. The concrete evidence is in this
thread.

You've only proven you don't know the meaning of the evidence, proven
you don't know the warning signals of schizophrenia, proven you don't
know how to use google to find anywhere I've said I'm trained in karate
.... because if you could find it you would have posted it by now. The
simple fact that I've never told you what my training is in karate blows
your whole stupid schizophrenic argument out of the water and proves yet
again that you are a liar ... as if we need more proof of that fact,
Walt.

You've proven you don't know how to lay out a logical argument. You've
proven you don't know the meaning of the word neglect. In short, you've
proven you are a lying stupid moron. Care to continue with this and
provide even more solid proof of that fact?

Steve

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Overheating Perkins revisited.....
 

On 2 Sep 2003 04:43:12 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message
You've proven you don't know how to lay out a logical argument. You've
proven you don't know the meaning of the word neglect. In short, you've
proven you are a lying stupid moron. Care to continue with this and
provide even more solid proof of that fact?

Again, you idiot, I have just as much of YOUR "evidence", that you are
a heroin addict, as you do that I was drunk when I posted. Understand?

That's where you're wrong, as usual. I gave you the evidence you were
drunk when you posted. You haven't given any that I'm a heroin addict.


It's very simple, I honestly thought you'd get it, but alas, I guess
not.

It's really pretty simple but you obviously don't get it. I honestly
didn't think you would. Because as proven in at least 3 different
threads so far, you can't comprehend even the simplest of ideas or learn
even the most basic of lessons.

Steve

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On 3 Sep 2003 04:13:27 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 2 Sep 2003 04:43:12 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message
You've proven you don't know how to lay out a logical argument. You've
proven you don't know the meaning of the word neglect. In short, you've
proven you are a lying stupid moron. Care to continue with this and
provide even more solid proof of that fact?

Again, you idiot, I have just as much of YOUR "evidence", that you are
a heroin addict, as you do that I was drunk when I posted. Understand?

That's where you're wrong, as usual. I gave you the evidence you were
drunk when you posted. You haven't given any that I'm a heroin addict.


It's very simple, I honestly thought you'd get it, but alas, I guess
not.

It's really pretty simple but you obviously don't get it. I honestly
didn't think you would. Because as proven in at least 3 different
threads so far, you can't comprehend even the simplest of ideas or learn
even the most basic of lessons.

Haahaa!! I've given you the EXACT SAME "evidence" as you've given!!!
What a ****ing moron you are! You try to spin SO hard!!!

You haven't given ANY evidence and I gave 2 points of evidence. So how
could they possibly be the exact same? Obviously they can't be, and
you're just being a stupid moron again.

Steve