wrote:
How do we get rid of wastes that we leave in a potty? My boat is so
small that I cannot easily fit a porta potti into the existing
structure of the boat. I am thinking of using a 3-gal bucket and
lining it with layers of plastic bags, and use it as a potty. But I am
wondering what I am going to do with all these bags of human wastes:

o Do I need to open each bag when I get back home and
dump the content into my toilet?

o Should I simply dump all the bags of human wastes
into my trash can and let the sanitation worker to
remove it along with other household trashes?

Any idea?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jay Chan

Not that I'd recommend this, but it's technically "legal" under the
USCG regs to urinate or defecate directly overboard. By that I mean you
literally have to hang out over the side. (now, this could get you in
trouble under the public urination, indecent exposure, etc ordinances
in various locations) You only go afoul of the USCG regs if you
"discharge" untreated sewage overboard in most locations- meaning that
if you never had it in a bucket, porta-potti, holding tank, etc it
isn't being discharged from your vessel. In reality, most guys-only
fishing trips in boats too small for a porta-potti almost certainly
involve some "direct" drainage, especially when a bit away from crowded
areas.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in
ups.com:

meaning that
if you never had it in a bucket, porta-potti, holding tank, etc it
isn't being discharged from your vessel.

Actually the Federal law says it has to be an INSTALLED device, so his
bucket is quite legal to throw it over the side from, balancing out the
effects of indecency and exposure laws quite nicely.

Is a portapotti you just sit on the deck "installed"? Not if it's not
bolted down with some kind of clamping device, is it? What about:
http://www.hi-techredneck.com/Redneck_toilet.jpg
I see it's bolted to the deck, so I'd think it came in as an "installed
device" requiring compliance.
But, then there's:
http://www.hi-techredneck.com/reststop.jpg
Which can easily be picked up and put in ones '76 F150 bed so it would
NOT be an "installed device", would it?
On many vessels, such as:
http://www.lilligren.com/Redneck/redneck_bass_boat.htm
there's no room, so the bucket must be rinsed out in the lake before
filling it with the catch from the stringer to take home....
Here's a camper in compliance:
http://www.lilligren.com/Redneck/redneck_camping.htm
Obviously, the bucket to the right of the steps is not an "installed
device" and is in compliance with the law. He simply carries it away
from his camper in the blue 4-wheel-drive delivery vehicle.
Here aboard the high speed picnic boat, M/V "Redneck Express", there is
plenty of room for an "installed device" but the owner has chosen to use
the direct-overboard method, probably while leaning against one of the
stancions in the corner to leeward, of course:
http://www.lilligren.com/Redneck/redneck_express.htm
Obviously, the design of the uninstalled device must be a consideration:
http://www.lilligren.com/Redneck/redneck_swan_dive.htm
To save the limited space aboard, this boater has designed his sanitation
equipment to perform "dual functions":
http://www.lilligren.com/Redneck/redneck_guitar.htm
Here's another example of multipurpose sanitation equipment that stows
easily aboard:
http://www.lilligren.com/Redneck/redneck_horseshoes.htm

Your yacht isn't the only one with no need of "installed devices":
http://www.lilligren.com/Redneck/redneck_yacht.htm
Twin engines, huge lazerettes, big flybridge, independently-steerable Z
drives for easy docking in cramped marinas. Other yachtsmen must be just
green with envy....

And, I bet dollar-for-dollar, his family enjoys this yacht much more than
the owner of a 70' Hatteras that doesn't have a fingerprint on the deck.



--
There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.

Chuck Gould wrote:
wrote:
How do we get rid of wastes that we leave in a potty? My boat is so
small that I cannot easily fit a porta potti into the existing
structure of the boat. I am thinking of using a 3-gal bucket and
lining it with layers of plastic bags, and use it as a potty. But I am
wondering what I am going to do with all these bags of human wastes:

o Do I need to open each bag when I get back home and
dump the content into my toilet?

o Should I simply dump all the bags of human wastes
into my trash can and let the sanitation worker to
remove it along with other household trashes?

Any idea?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jay Chan

Not that I'd recommend this, but it's technically "legal" under the
USCG regs to urinate or defecate directly overboard. By that I mean you
literally have to hang out over the side. (now, this could get you in
trouble under the public urination, indecent exposure, etc ordinances
in various locations) You only go afoul of the USCG regs if you
"discharge" untreated sewage overboard in most locations- meaning that
if you never had it in a bucket, porta-potti, holding tank, etc it
isn't being discharged from your vessel. In reality, most guys-only
fishing trips in boats too small for a porta-potti almost certainly
involve some "direct" drainage, especially when a bit away from crowded
areas.

I understand your suggestion, and directly discharging liquid waste
over board probably is a very easy thing to do. But directly
discharging the solid stuff doesn't seem to be easy to do. After
throwing the solid stuff over board, we still need to wash the bucket
for the next use. To avoid washing the bucket, we will have to line
the bucket with a plastic bag before each use. If I am going to line
the bucket with a plastic bag, I may as well store the waste in the
plastic bag and dump it at home -- at least I won't have to see the
waste floating around my boat, and properly dump the waste is a good
thing to do anyway.

Thanks for pointing out an alternative. But I likely will not want to
do this.

Jay Chan

On 25 Sep 2006 06:14:39 -0700, "
wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
wrote:
How do we get rid of wastes that we leave in a potty? My boat is so
small that I cannot easily fit a porta potti into the existing
structure of the boat. I am thinking of using a 3-gal bucket and
lining it with layers of plastic bags, and use it as a potty. But I am
wondering what I am going to do with all these bags of human wastes:

o Do I need to open each bag when I get back home and
dump the content into my toilet?

o Should I simply dump all the bags of human wastes
into my trash can and let the sanitation worker to
remove it along with other household trashes?

Any idea?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jay Chan

Not that I'd recommend this, but it's technically "legal" under the
USCG regs to urinate or defecate directly overboard. By that I mean you
literally have to hang out over the side. (now, this could get you in
trouble under the public urination, indecent exposure, etc ordinances
in various locations) You only go afoul of the USCG regs if you
"discharge" untreated sewage overboard in most locations- meaning that
if you never had it in a bucket, porta-potti, holding tank, etc it
isn't being discharged from your vessel. In reality, most guys-only
fishing trips in boats too small for a porta-potti almost certainly
involve some "direct" drainage, especially when a bit away from crowded
areas.

I understand your suggestion, and directly discharging liquid waste
over board probably is a very easy thing to do. But directly
discharging the solid stuff doesn't seem to be easy to do. After
throwing the solid stuff over board, we still need to wash the bucket
for the next use. To avoid washing the bucket, we will have to line
the bucket with a plastic bag before each use. If I am going to line
the bucket with a plastic bag, I may as well store the waste in the
plastic bag and dump it at home -- at least I won't have to see the
waste floating around my boat, and properly dump the waste is a good
thing to do anyway.

Thanks for pointing out an alternative. But I likely will not want to
do this.

Jay Chan

Put water in the bucket *before* it gets used. Then it can be rinsed
overboard.

JohnH wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 06:14:39 -0700, "
wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
wrote:
How do we get rid of wastes that we leave in a potty? My boat is so
small that I cannot easily fit a porta potti into the existing
structure of the boat. I am thinking of using a 3-gal bucket and
lining it with layers of plastic bags, and use it as a potty. But I am
wondering what I am going to do with all these bags of human wastes:

o Do I need to open each bag when I get back home and
dump the content into my toilet?

o Should I simply dump all the bags of human wastes
into my trash can and let the sanitation worker to
remove it along with other household trashes?

Any idea?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jay Chan

Not that I'd recommend this, but it's technically "legal" under the
USCG regs to urinate or defecate directly overboard. By that I mean you
literally have to hang out over the side. (now, this could get you in
trouble under the public urination, indecent exposure, etc ordinances
in various locations) You only go afoul of the USCG regs if you
"discharge" untreated sewage overboard in most locations- meaning that
if you never had it in a bucket, porta-potti, holding tank, etc it
isn't being discharged from your vessel. In reality, most guys-only
fishing trips in boats too small for a porta-potti almost certainly
involve some "direct" drainage, especially when a bit away from crowded
areas.

I understand your suggestion, and directly discharging liquid waste
over board probably is a very easy thing to do. But directly
discharging the solid stuff doesn't seem to be easy to do. After
throwing the solid stuff over board, we still need to wash the bucket
for the next use. To avoid washing the bucket, we will have to line
the bucket with a plastic bag before each use. If I am going to line
the bucket with a plastic bag, I may as well store the waste in the
plastic bag and dump it at home -- at least I won't have to see the
waste floating around my boat, and properly dump the waste is a good
thing to do anyway.

Thanks for pointing out an alternative. But I likely will not want to
do this.

Jay Chan

Put water in the bucket *before* it gets used. Then it can be rinsed
overboard.

I must admit that yours is a good idea. But I just have a hard time
overcoming that psychological barrier of throwing solid waste
overboard.

Jay Chan

wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 06:14:39 -0700, "
wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
wrote:
How do we get rid of wastes that we leave in a potty? My boat is so
small that I cannot easily fit a porta potti into the existing
structure of the boat. I am thinking of using a 3-gal bucket and
lining it with layers of plastic bags, and use it as a potty. But I am
wondering what I am going to do with all these bags of human wastes:

o Do I need to open each bag when I get back home and
dump the content into my toilet?

o Should I simply dump all the bags of human wastes
into my trash can and let the sanitation worker to
remove it along with other household trashes?

Any idea?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jay Chan
Not that I'd recommend this, but it's technically "legal" under the
USCG regs to urinate or defecate directly overboard. By that I mean you
literally have to hang out over the side. (now, this could get you in
trouble under the public urination, indecent exposure, etc ordinances
in various locations) You only go afoul of the USCG regs if you
"discharge" untreated sewage overboard in most locations- meaning that
if you never had it in a bucket, porta-potti, holding tank, etc it
isn't being discharged from your vessel. In reality, most guys-only
fishing trips in boats too small for a porta-potti almost certainly
involve some "direct" drainage, especially when a bit away from crowded
areas.
I understand your suggestion, and directly discharging liquid waste
over board probably is a very easy thing to do. But directly
discharging the solid stuff doesn't seem to be easy to do. After
throwing the solid stuff over board, we still need to wash the bucket
for the next use. To avoid washing the bucket, we will have to line
the bucket with a plastic bag before each use. If I am going to line
the bucket with a plastic bag, I may as well store the waste in the
plastic bag and dump it at home -- at least I won't have to see the
waste floating around my boat, and properly dump the waste is a good
thing to do anyway.

Thanks for pointing out an alternative. But I likely will not want to
do this.

Jay Chan
Put water in the bucket *before* it gets used. Then it can be rinsed
overboard.

I must admit that yours is a good idea. But I just have a hard time
overcoming that psychological barrier of throwing solid waste
overboard.

Jay Chan

Jay,
You are correct that you should not throw solid waste overboard unless
you are in a legal discharge area. I think people don't have the
correct info on the use of a bucket. I think the law says that is the
exact same thing as using your discharge value of your head tank. You
can only dump a bucket overboard if you are in a legal discharge area.
Go to rec.boats.cruising and ask Peggy and she can give you the legal
aspects of dumping overboard.

On 25 Sep 2006 07:11:15 -0700, "
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 06:14:39 -0700, "
wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
wrote:
How do we get rid of wastes that we leave in a potty? My boat is so
small that I cannot easily fit a porta potti into the existing
structure of the boat. I am thinking of using a 3-gal bucket and
lining it with layers of plastic bags, and use it as a potty. But I am
wondering what I am going to do with all these bags of human wastes:

o Do I need to open each bag when I get back home and
dump the content into my toilet?

o Should I simply dump all the bags of human wastes
into my trash can and let the sanitation worker to
remove it along with other household trashes?

Any idea?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jay Chan

Not that I'd recommend this, but it's technically "legal" under the
USCG regs to urinate or defecate directly overboard. By that I mean you
literally have to hang out over the side. (now, this could get you in
trouble under the public urination, indecent exposure, etc ordinances
in various locations) You only go afoul of the USCG regs if you
"discharge" untreated sewage overboard in most locations- meaning that
if you never had it in a bucket, porta-potti, holding tank, etc it
isn't being discharged from your vessel. In reality, most guys-only
fishing trips in boats too small for a porta-potti almost certainly
involve some "direct" drainage, especially when a bit away from crowded
areas.

I understand your suggestion, and directly discharging liquid waste
over board probably is a very easy thing to do. But directly
discharging the solid stuff doesn't seem to be easy to do. After
throwing the solid stuff over board, we still need to wash the bucket
for the next use. To avoid washing the bucket, we will have to line
the bucket with a plastic bag before each use. If I am going to line
the bucket with a plastic bag, I may as well store the waste in the
plastic bag and dump it at home -- at least I won't have to see the
waste floating around my boat, and properly dump the waste is a good
thing to do anyway.

Thanks for pointing out an alternative. But I likely will not want to
do this.

Jay Chan

Put water in the bucket *before* it gets used. Then it can be rinsed
overboard.

I must admit that yours is a good idea. But I just have a hard time
overcoming that psychological barrier of throwing solid waste
overboard.

Jay Chan

I do to. That's why I tell everyone to go potty before we head out.
However, emergencies happen, and I can get over my psychological barriers
when they occur. It's only happened twice in the last several years.