Bill Kearney wrote:
Damn, you are dumber than a post, huh? They can't find the labor to
pick the crops, period. Who will they hire? Idiot, indeed. You was
wrong, and still are.

And you apparently miss the larger issue of wages not be adjusted to fit
market demands. This whole argument about foreign workers is a smokescreen
clouding the real issue of wages being far too low. The days of racing to
the bottom to get illegals to do the work for next to nothing are rapidly
coming to a close. Wages will have to rise and that will certainly affect
market prices. But as they've been artifically low for over two decades
it's coming time to see them adjust. Blame yourselves for pretending you
could get everything for low prices, you can't and it's now becoming
painfully clear.

Smokescreen? Do you honestly think that CA farmers WANT 30% of their
profit rotting on the trees????

Gene wrote:
On 8 Sep 2006 08:54:03 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

Right now in CA the fruit crops are rotting on the trees because there
isn't enough pickers.

Suits me. Let ALL of it rot until the growers are willing to pay a
wage that Americans can afford to work for. It is called the law of
supply and demand... as long as we are playing lawfully. If you want
to turn your head and pretend that only *certain* laws apply... well,
you'll get what you ask for.

The big fact that gets left out of this equation is that illegals
receive about 5-7 times what an American would receive in wage
benefits (not counting taking the extra value of their Social Security
and Social Welfare out of the hands of American families) considering
what they make and expect to take or send back home with exchange
rates being what they are.

There is absolutely NO incentive for an increase in the minimum wage
as long as there is an unlimited supply of manpower willing to live
like refugees and accept the bare minimum wage.

If you want to consider yourself a Liberal Democrat and refuse to
support the American worker.... you are neither.
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If they pay a higher wage, either their profits are gone, or the price
of goods goes up to the consumer so much that they won't buy, and
again, there goes the profits.

On 10 Sep 2006 06:19:17 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


Bill Kearney wrote:
Damn, you are dumber than a post, huh? They can't find the labor to
pick the crops, period. Who will they hire? Idiot, indeed. You was
wrong, and still are.

And you apparently miss the larger issue of wages not be adjusted to fit
market demands. This whole argument about foreign workers is a smokescreen
clouding the real issue of wages being far too low. The days of racing to
the bottom to get illegals to do the work for next to nothing are rapidly
coming to a close. Wages will have to rise and that will certainly affect
market prices. But as they've been artifically low for over two decades
it's coming time to see them adjust. Blame yourselves for pretending you
could get everything for low prices, you can't and it's now becoming
painfully clear.

Smokescreen? Do you honestly think that CA farmers WANT 30% of their
profit rotting on the trees????

The bottom line is economic slavery for some more dark-skinned people. It
wasn't enough that we had slavery and fought a civil war over it. Now, we're
trying to do it again with a different group, and with their participation.

Its way past time for this industry to automate. This means crop harvesting
_machines_ doing the work. Is it more expensive than slave-labor wages? Of
course! Is it the right thing to do? Absolutely.

Paying people peanuts is wrong, and it doesn't matter who they are. Can't get
the natives to spend all day in the hot sun stooping over and picking your
tomatoes or carrots or whatever for what you want to pay them? Tough - buy a
machine to do it. You can likely get 1 machine operator, who will replace
dozens of manual workers, and get the harvest done. That's the way to handle
this.

The bottom line is no more slavery - not ball and chain slavery and not
economic slavery. Slavery is always a bad idea, no matter how you try to dress
it up.

Dave Head

basskisser wrote:
Gene wrote:
On 8 Sep 2006 08:54:03 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

Right now in CA the fruit crops are rotting on the trees because there
isn't enough pickers.
Suits me. Let ALL of it rot until the growers are willing to pay a
wage that Americans can afford to work for. It is called the law of
supply and demand... as long as we are playing lawfully. If you want
to turn your head and pretend that only *certain* laws apply... well,
you'll get what you ask for.

The big fact that gets left out of this equation is that illegals
receive about 5-7 times what an American would receive in wage
benefits (not counting taking the extra value of their Social Security
and Social Welfare out of the hands of American families) considering
what they make and expect to take or send back home with exchange
rates being what they are.

There is absolutely NO incentive for an increase in the minimum wage
as long as there is an unlimited supply of manpower willing to live
like refugees and accept the bare minimum wage.

If you want to consider yourself a Liberal Democrat and refuse to
support the American worker.... you are neither.
--


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If they pay a higher wage, either their profits are gone, or the price
of goods goes up to the consumer so much that they won't buy, and
again, there goes the profits.


That's how business operates, regardless of the products.

basskisser wrote:
Bill Kearney wrote:
Damn, you are dumber than a post, huh? They can't find the labor to
pick the crops, period. Who will they hire? Idiot, indeed. You was
wrong, and still are.
And you apparently miss the larger issue of wages not be adjusted to fit
market demands. This whole argument about foreign workers is a smokescreen
clouding the real issue of wages being far too low. The days of racing to
the bottom to get illegals to do the work for next to nothing are rapidly
coming to a close. Wages will have to rise and that will certainly affect
market prices. But as they've been artifically low for over two decades
it's coming time to see them adjust. Blame yourselves for pretending you
could get everything for low prices, you can't and it's now becoming
painfully clear.

Smokescreen? Do you honestly think that CA farmers WANT 30% of their
profit rotting on the trees????


No, they don't. But, they have a problem that is of their own making.

Alotta Fagina wrote:
You wrote:

The bottom line is economic slavery for some more dark-skinned people.

Dark-skinned LAWBREAKERS, asshole. Why the **** are they subjecting
themselves to "economic slavery" in the US? Because their dark-skinned
amigos in Mexico give them a WORSE economy! Someone needs to blow your
****ed up moronic (Dave) head off.

It's a shame that you are too stupid to post or comment or debate
someone without childish name calling and petty insults. You do know
that you sound like an uneducated petty street criminal, don't you?

basskisser wrote:
Alotta Fagina wrote:
You wrote:

The bottom line is economic slavery for some more dark-skinned people.
Dark-skinned LAWBREAKERS, asshole. Why the **** are they subjecting
themselves to "economic slavery" in the US? Because their dark-skinned
amigos in Mexico give them a WORSE economy! Someone needs to blow your
****ed up moronic (Dave) head off.

It's a shame that you are too stupid to post or comment or debate
someone without childish name calling and petty insults. You do know
that you sound like an uneducated petty street criminal, don't you?


Have you take over the job of rec.boats Sheriff?

On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 06:33:05 -0700, "fred" wrote:

snip

Whereas if the Republicans are able to continue to control both houses
and the executive, the present policy on illegals will continue in
farce.

Al Moore
DoD 734

Alotta Fagina wrote:
You wrote:


Alotta Fagina wrote:
You wrote:

The bottom line is economic slavery for some more dark-skinned people.

Dark-skinned LAWBREAKERS, asshole. Why the **** are they subjecting
themselves to "economic slavery" in the US? Because their dark-skinned
amigos in Mexico give them a WORSE economy! Someone needs to blow your
****ed up moronic (Dave) head off.

It's a shame that you are too stupid to post or comment or debate
someone without childish name calling and petty insults. You do know
that you sound like an uneducated petty street criminal, don't you?

Coming from you that's a compliment.

Ummmm, okay.....if you think that's a compliment, then you are dumber
than I previously thought.

Harry Krause wrote:
On 9/10/2006 7:53 PM, basskisser wrote:
Alotta Fagina wrote:
You wrote:

Alotta Fagina wrote:
You wrote:

The bottom line is economic slavery for some more dark-skinned people.
Dark-skinned LAWBREAKERS, asshole. Why the **** are they subjecting
themselves to "economic slavery" in the US? Because their dark-skinned
amigos in Mexico give them a WORSE economy! Someone needs to blow your
****ed up moronic (Dave) head off.
It's a shame that you are too stupid to post or comment or debate
someone without childish name calling and petty insults. You do know
that you sound like an uneducated petty street criminal, don't you?
Coming from you that's a compliment.

Ummmm, okay.....if you think that's a compliment, then you are dumber
than I previously thought.



Once again, I ask you: why are you responding to an "anonymous" a'hole?

Because, Harry. He himself IS also an "anonymous" a'hole.