Wow, you guys like to spend money!


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 06:39:29 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:41:43 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 02:02:16 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

Outboards rule - inboards drool!!! :)
Out of curiosity, what would be a typical negotiated price for a pair
of 200 hp ETECs ?

For a pair - let's see, price of tea in China times the annual
depreciation rate of the Kuna divided by Henry Ford's shoe size
expressed as a variable ratio of the price of pigs feet per ton -

~~ calculate ~~

Eh - say $31,000, plus or minus a few hundred either way.

What's a pair of new 671s go for?

$31,000? For a pair of 200s?

I think my Yamaha 225 four cycle goes out the door at around
$12,500-$13,000 without the boat.

On a repower? Maybe if you were swapping Yamaha for Yamaha, but even
then you won't get a price like that around these parts.

Just for curiosity, I checked around before I bought the E-TEC (not
that I would have bought anything else you understand) comparing
Yamaha four strokers/HPDI, Mercury Optimax/four stroke and E-TECs.
They all came in about the same bucks, rigged, installed and out the
door.

In fact, on a repower, the E-TEC was cheaper because it was just an
engine swap. Yamaha 200 four stroke and new controls was just under
$20,000, Mercury four stroke was about a grand cheaper - say $19,000.
Both Optimax and HPDI, new controls, came in on a quote at $21,000.

E-TEC with new controls was around $18,500.

You don't even want to know what they wanted for a Honda 200.

There was a significant difference between $18,500 and what I paid for
mine, but that's only because I have a very solid relationship with
the dealer.

Regardless of the brand, I wouldn't buy anything but a four cycle
outboard these days.

Well, to each their own. Pound for pound, dollar for dollar, you get
more bang for the buck with two stroke tech than four stroke, my
E-TECs burn cleaner, use less fuel all around than a four stroke and
are lighter.

Outboard prices are outrageous under any circumstances.

Damn straight.

I appreciate the offer Harry.

But, I don't think my "fun factor" would be that much greater by way
higher the dollar in boating. ie, if you spend $4000.00 it will get
you so much fun, if you spend $8000.00 will you get double the fun? how
about 20? next step? 20 on the engine and 25 on the boat. at that
point boating for me would have to be way beyond "orgasmic"

Harry Krause wrote:
wrote:
Wow, you guys like to spend money!


If you want to get in the club, you could buy my Parker pilothouse...

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:15:59 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

My port side engine is in the middle of a total rebuild. Looks like
it will end up at around 15K, way over the original estimate.

Yikes!!!

Just for comparison, what would a reman or new CAT cost.

We discussed the reman option and the labor charges would have been
significantly higher because of the need to pull the entire block,
etc.

One of the nice things about the 671s (and most other DDs), is that
they can be rebuilt in place.

I didn't consider a total repower because then I'd have to do the
starboard engine also which seems to be doing well. At least around
here, the DDs have a *much* better reliability reputation than CATs.

Harry Krause wrote:

The old two cycle oil never bothered me. It was just...oil. In
fact it had a good, "manly" smell.

Amen. There's just something about cranking and knowing by smell
that you are running (sometimes have a toob between the seats and
the outboard so I can't see it at those times).

Also when you're idling or slow down from WOT and the oil smell
wafts forward. Mmmmm.


sam

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:30:24 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @
pffftt.com wrote:

I winterized the boat engine and outdrive last year by myself last year. It
took almost a full day, including the time to purchase the supplies. I
obviously assumed all liability for a cracked engine block by doing so.

With that in mind I decided to let the pros do it this year as I did with my
larger boats in the past so I called around today for some prices. As I
store the boat on a trailer over the winter in a yard near my house I have
some flexibility on who can do the service. We are also changing marinas
next year (moving to one with a reputable mechanic staff, including the head
mechanic with 35 years of experience) so we have no loyalty to our present
marina.

I found a local place that has been in business for 25 years, fully insured,
that will change the oil and filter and the outdrive lower unit oil, lube
the OD, fog and pickle (winterize) the engine, all for $155. Quite a nice
deal.

So what are you going to pay/engine to winterize?

Uh.... what's a winterize??? :-P
--
I put some Stabil in the tank, because my bass boat doesn't get used as
much in the winter. Although, it's a tradition that early Thanksgiving
morning, I go fishing!

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

Nothing like that oil smoke haze holding just above the water on a
cold Autumn day while trout fishing. :)

Amen!

JimH wrote:
I winterized the boat engine and outdrive last year by myself last year. It
took almost a full day, including the time to purchase the supplies. I
obviously assumed all liability for a cracked engine block by doing so.

With that in mind I decided to let the pros do it this year as I did with my
larger boats in the past so I called around today for some prices. As I
store the boat on a trailer over the winter in a yard near my house I have
some flexibility on who can do the service. We are also changing marinas
next year (moving to one with a reputable mechanic staff, including the head
mechanic with 35 years of experience) so we have no loyalty to our present
marina.

I found a local place that has been in business for 25 years, fully insured,
that will change the oil and filter and the outdrive lower unit oil, lube
the OD, fog and pickle (winterize) the engine, all for $155. Quite a nice
deal.

So what are you going to pay/engine to winterize?

All day, what are you, some sort of moron????

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:52:36 -0400, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


Gene Kearns wrote in message
. ..

Uh.... what's a winterize??? :-P


Smart ass.

Eisboch (getting grumpy as fall and winter approaches)



ROFL.....

I hear ya amigo - getting grumpy myself at the thought of putting away
the runnabout. On the brightside I am thinking of running the pontoon
all year :-)

Capt Jack R..

" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message
. ..
I winterized the boat engine and outdrive last year by myself last year.
It took almost a full day, including the time to purchase the supplies. I
obviously assumed all liability for a cracked engine block by doing so.

With that in mind I decided to let the pros do it this year as I did with
my larger boats in the past so I called around today for some prices. As
I store the boat on a trailer over the winter in a yard near my house I
have some flexibility on who can do the service. We are also changing
marinas next year (moving to one with a reputable mechanic staff,
including the head mechanic with 35 years of experience) so we have no
loyalty to our present marina.

I found a local place that has been in business for 25 years, fully
insured, that will change the oil and filter and the outdrive lower unit
oil, lube the OD, fog and pickle (winterize) the engine, all for $155.
Quite a nice deal.

So what are you going to pay/engine to winterize?


Sounds like it's time for Skippy to start preaching his "dip and rip" (I
think that's what he called it) where you stick the outdrive in a 5 gallon
bucket of antifreeze h2o mix and let it run a couple of minutes.

Fredo

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:48:43 GMT, "FREDO" wrote:


" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message
m...
I winterized the boat engine and outdrive last year by myself last year.
It took almost a full day, including the time to purchase the supplies.
I
obviously assumed all liability for a cracked engine block by doing so.

With that in mind I decided to let the pros do it this year as I did
with
my larger boats in the past so I called around today for some prices.
As
I store the boat on a trailer over the winter in a yard near my house I
have some flexibility on who can do the service. We are also changing
marinas next year (moving to one with a reputable mechanic staff,
including the head mechanic with 35 years of experience) so we have no
loyalty to our present marina.

I found a local place that has been in business for 25 years, fully
insured, that will change the oil and filter and the outdrive lower unit
oil, lube the OD, fog and pickle (winterize) the engine, all for $155.
Quite a nice deal.

So what are you going to pay/engine to winterize?

Sounds like it's time for Skippy to start preaching his "dip and rip" (I
think that's what he called it) where you stick the outdrive in a 5 gallon
bucket of antifreeze h2o mix and let it run a couple of minutes.

You know, that doesn't sound half bad actually.

Then again.... :)


I used that method last fall and it worked fine. As an added measure of
safety I also took off the thermostat housing and poured diluted antifreeze
directly into it.

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