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On 29 Aug 2006 05:42:24 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:


JimH wrote:
DSK wrote:
I don't do concerts.


JimH wrote:
Neither do I, at least now.

You're both toothless old farts then. How the heck can you
pretend to know anything about music if oyu don't go see it
played?


.... In my earlier years I have seen some
extraordinary talent including Led Zeppelin, Eric Clapton (he walked off the
stage mid concert because the venue [the Richfield Coliseum] was only 1/2
full),

I do not believe that for a second. That would be very
unlike him.


Don't believe it? I could care less. It happened. And I was there.
Perhaps there is some record on the net of this happening.........and
it did.




Clapton is rather modest and very dedicated to his
profession. He plays guitar (when asked to by the music
director) in church, for gosh sake.


He apparently was not modest and dedicate at this concert. His
feelings were hurt because of the poor turnout and he and his band
walked off mid concert.......****ed.

Richfield Coliseum in Richfield, Ohio. Late 1970's to early 1980's.
;-)


That does it for me. Now I *have* to find the live CD they recorded at
that concert. I don't have anything else in my collection that ends
with the band walking off the stage all p'd off, or features the sound
of one hand clapping in a half empty hall. This will be a real
collector's item someday.

Quote from his discography:

Eric Clapton - Cleveland [2CD] 6/2/79 Richfield Coliseum, Cleveland,
Ohio 2CDR SBD 46,45min This show, recorded at Richfield Coliseum on 2
June 1979, is the only known soundboard recording to surface from this
tour. It has rare tracks like "If I Don't Be There By Morning" and
"Watch Out For Lucy".

End quote.

Somehow they managed to get a full 45-minute set down. (At least, as
there may have been some stuff deleted from the recording). I wonder
how long they would have played if they hadn't walked off in a huff?

Thanks for the tip, JimH. This will be one for the music library. :-)

Looks like Jimmy may have struck gold for you!
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***** Hope your day is great! *****
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John

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Even great songwriters know when to leave things alone. In an interview I
heard a few years ago, John Prine said that when he does one of his rare
live performances, he almost never sings any song he's written for Bonnie
Raitt. Why? Because he knows he's a great songwriter, but a 3rd rate
performer. There's no point in phuquing up a song that's been done
beautifully by someone else

There's a lot of truth in that.

I only need to point at Kinky Friedman as a perfect example.

"Pearls in The Snow" is a collection of Friedman songs performed by
various artists and two cuts off that album, "Nashville Casualty and
Life" done by Lee Roy Parnel and "Rapid City, South Dakota" sung by
Dwight Yoakam are outstanding examples of why song writers shouldn't
do their own songs.

Have you ever seen this guy, or heard his music?
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30345

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:41:02 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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The technique relies on muscle memory, but I've never quite seen
anybody do it with just plain old freakin' skill...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Sl8sZuT-U


Hopefully, he will eventually learn how to play music. This kind of
technical gimmickry quickly grows boring.


You're not supposed to watch it for hours and hours!

John


If you add up all the others just like him from the past, the minutes
you've
listened add up quickly to hours.

Then, there's this guy:
http://www.toddwolfe.com/
Check his schedule. Go see him. Amazing.

And, of course......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI5CC...elated&search=


http://www.robbenford.com/


Pass the barf bag! My guitarist thinks Robben Ford is a god. He dresses
like
him, and owns a Baker guitar, which can't cut it on stage. All this to
emulate a guy who was goofy enough to think he could cover a song like
"Peace Love & Understanding", and ended up castrating it instead. Same
with
his version of Homework, which can't hold a candle to the J. Geils
version.

I'm starting to get it now. You don't like any guitarist who's
innovative. I love to see a good guitarist take someone else's song and
make it their own, as opposed to playing at the Ramada Inn covering pop
songs.


Being innovative is one thing. Knowing when you're taking a cover song down
12 notches is an entirely different skill. "Peace Love & Understanding" is a
fiery, passionate song. I'm sure you don't actually think Ford retained that
in his version. If he chose to take that away, then why? Would you like to
hear Harry Connick Jr. do a sappy orchestral version of Led Zeppelin's
"Whole Lotta Love"? :-) Hang on...maybe we're onto something. You know how,
mainly in summer, symphony orchestras like to do pops concerts, where they
rape Beatles songs?

No, I don't think he retained that, nor do I think he wanted to. I've
heard a lot of songs done alot of different ways, I like art for art's
sake. I even liked hearing Snoop Dog doing a Metallica song the other
day on TV.

All I know is that when our guitarist suggested we do PL&U Ford's way,
everyone else in the band asked "Why? It's....nothing."

Again, the point of a true artist is to NOT simply mimic someone else,
that's what the guys playing down at the Ramada Inn by the interstate
are doing, and will always do.

Damn - this is amazing...
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:53:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Even great songwriters know when to leave things alone. In an interview
I
heard a few years ago, John Prine said that when he does one of his rare
live performances, he almost never sings any song he's written for
Bonnie
Raitt. Why? Because he knows he's a great songwriter, but a 3rd rate
performer. There's no point in phuquing up a song that's been done
beautifully by someone else

There's a lot of truth in that.

I only need to point at Kinky Friedman as a perfect example.

"Pearls in The Snow" is a collection of Friedman songs performed by
various artists and two cuts off that album, "Nashville Casualty and
Life" done by Lee Roy Parnel and "Rapid City, South Dakota" sung by
Dwight Yoakam are outstanding examples of why song writers shouldn't
do their own songs.

Have you ever seen this guy, or heard his music?
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30345

Didn't he play with Mississippi Blind Boy Pigsfeet Dupre?

Yes, I believe so.

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:



Interesting stuff Chuck....thanks. I was there and remember them
leaving
the stage in a huff. I apparently was wrong about half a show, but I
guess
we expected more than 45 minutes and certainly an encore performance that
never happened.

But that was 27 years ago. ;-)

No encore is a more acceptable way to express dissatisfaction with the
acoustics, the crowd, the promoter, your bandmates, lack of proper
refreshment and awestruck female companionship in the dressing area,
etc than walking off in the middle of a performance. Also a lot
smarter- there's a 100% chance that the booking contract defined the
minimum acceptable performance time. No play, no pay. If there was a
problem, it may well have been with the promoter being a bit stingy, or
a weak gate that meant the band would be playing for "just" the minimum
guarantee- and if that were the case the "minimum" performance would be
all you would likely get.

Besides, they proably had to rush off without an encore to make
connections. They only had 3 days to get to Saginaw. :-)

I mean, Cleveland, after all. What did EC expect? Weren't both of his
Ohio fans there?
((just kidding!!))

He couldn't have fouled the nest too badly, as he has appeared at the
same venue several times since.

Do you remember who opened for Eric Clapton on that tour?



I went to a Harry Bellefonte concert at the Cincinnati Gardens in 1968.
where he stated that they almost cancelled the show because of low ticket
sales, but he owed it to those who did purchase a show. Fantastic show and
maybe 200 people total in the house. The air conditioning came on and threw
him off, it was so loud in a large place with few people.

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:



Interesting stuff Chuck....thanks. I was there and remember them
leaving
the stage in a huff. I apparently was wrong about half a show, but I
guess
we expected more than 45 minutes and certainly an encore performance
that
never happened.

But that was 27 years ago. ;-)

No encore is a more acceptable way to express dissatisfaction with the
acoustics, the crowd, the promoter, your bandmates, lack of proper
refreshment and awestruck female companionship in the dressing area,
etc than walking off in the middle of a performance. Also a lot
smarter- there's a 100% chance that the booking contract defined the
minimum acceptable performance time. No play, no pay. If there was a
problem, it may well have been with the promoter being a bit stingy, or
a weak gate that meant the band would be playing for "just" the minimum
guarantee- and if that were the case the "minimum" performance would be
all you would likely get.

Besides, they proably had to rush off without an encore to make
connections. They only had 3 days to get to Saginaw. :-)

I mean, Cleveland, after all. What did EC expect? Weren't both of his
Ohio fans there?
((just kidding!!))

He couldn't have fouled the nest too badly, as he has appeared at the
same venue several times since.

Do you remember who opened for Eric Clapton on that tour?



I went to a Harry Bellefonte concert at the Cincinnati Gardens in 1968.
where he stated that they almost cancelled the show because of low ticket
sales, but he owed it to those who did purchase a show. Fantastic show
and maybe 200 people total in the house. The air conditioning came on and
threw him off, it was so loud in a large place with few people.


Some artists handle this with grace. I saw Rat Dog, Bob Weir's band band in
July, at an outdoor venue with a big band shell and lawn seating for the po'
folk. The entire back half of the band shell was empty. When thunderstorms
arrived, Weir told the lawn seat crowd to "carefully, without trampelling
one another, come fill up these empty seats and get out of the weather". A
newspaper story two days later included comments from the operator of the
venue, who said the band volunteered some sort of surprisingly equitable
financial adjustment that benefited everyone.

Damn - this is amazing...
 

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:03:32 -0400, DSK wrote:

Clapton is rather modest and very dedicated to his
profession. He plays guitar (when asked to by the music
director) in church, for gosh sake.

I don't know how true this is, but back in the day, I knew a studio
engineer who did some mixing on one of the Cream albums. Apparently,
according to his story anyway, the only one in the session on altitude
restriction was Clapton - stone cold sober.

He also told me the story of Baker being so stoned he couldn't stand
up, but when they put him in front of his drums, he played it straight
through, then fell off the stool unconscious. :)

What ever happened to Jack Bruce anyway?

Cream did a reunion concert last year (IIRC) at Royal Albert Hall.

And it was a pretty wretched performance. They may as well have phoned it
in from home. Devoid of inspiration. I saw the performance on PBS, then
received the DVD as a Christmas gift. Still haven't bothered to take the
shrink wrap off the DVD.

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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Chuck Gould wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:

Aha, I just figured out a way to tell whether the Cleveland show was
any briefer than others at the time.... I'll be back. :-)


Looks like he also played a 12-song set in Saginaw on June 5th.

http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapt...05-saginaw.htm

Clapton very rarely smiles, so maybe it looked like he was upset. ;)


Naw, it was pretty obvious he was ****ed. We were expecting more than a 45
minute show and when he/his band walked off stage we were floored. My guess
he was upset over the low turnout, but that was 27 years ago and I have a
hard time remembering what happened yesterday. He also did not come out
for any sort of encore. Show over..........go home.

I do remember talking about it on the ride home with my friends and feeling
we were ripped off by the short performance. ;-)

I like Clapton's music and have many of his CD's (latest is Me and Mr.
Johnson). I also like his duets with BB.

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JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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Chuck Gould wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:

Aha, I just figured out a way to tell whether the Cleveland show was
any briefer than others at the time.... I'll be back. :-)


Looks like he also played a 12-song set in Saginaw on June 5th.

http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapt...05-saginaw.htm

Clapton very rarely smiles, so maybe it looked like he was upset. ;)


Naw, it was pretty obvious he was ****ed. We were expecting more than a 45
minute show and when he/his band walked off stage we were floored.

You were busted in a lie, get over it.

My guess
he was upset over the low turnout, but that was 27 years ago and I have a
hard time remembering what happened yesterday.

That's true, you don't remember how you ****ed every person in this
newsgroup off with your monthly period bipolar rants.

He also did not come out
for any sort of encore. Show over..........go home.

That could be for a lot of reasons.