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Damn - this is amazing...

Chuck Gould wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:

Aha, I just figured out a way to tell whether the Cleveland show was
any briefer than others at the time.... I'll be back. :-)

Looks like he also played a 12-song set in Saginaw on June 5th.

http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapt...05-saginaw.htm

But the folks in Augusta, Georgia a week earlier did get a 15-song
performance:

http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapt...25-augusta.htm

Ten days to play Augusta, Cleveland, and Saginaw? Those must have been
some lean times indeed for E.C.

Damn - this is amazing...

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JimH wrote:

Don't know. But they did walk off before a full concert. Check the
attendance at that show Chuck and you will find it was far less than 1/2
capacity (the Coliseum was the Cleveland Cavaliers basketball arena).

Once my curiosity is aroused, I can be as relentless as a terrier with
a chew toy. Bad personal trait, I know.

Turns out there was more than one recording made that night. The first
CD I already referenced and this one:

http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapt...r-required.htm

"No Longer Required" is a double album, but there are only 6-8 songs
per disc.
So, was the show longer than you remember and these numbers included
long solos and a lot of jamming, or did Clapton flee the scene after
just a 12-song set? The reviewer's notes of the concert said that the
most unusual thing to occur was Eric Clapton dedicating a song to
bandmate Albert Lee in honor of Lee's impending marriage, but if they
edited out the part where Clapton said, "To hell with Cleveland! If you
can't completely fill the house like my normally rabid fans everywhere
else we're just outa here......", and if the reviewer was writing from
the recording and not present at the show then the reviewer missed all
the fireworks.

Aha, I just figured out a way to tell whether the Cleveland show was
any briefer than others at the time.... I'll be back. :-)

Interesting stuff Chuck....thanks. I was there and remember them leaving
the stage in a huff. I apparently was wrong about half a show, but I guess
we expected more than 45 minutes and certainly an encore performance that
never happened.

But that was 27 years ago. ;-)

Damn - this is amazing...

JimH wrote:

Interesting stuff Chuck....thanks. I was there and remember them leaving
the stage in a huff. I apparently was wrong about half a show, but I guess
we expected more than 45 minutes and certainly an encore performance that
never happened.

But that was 27 years ago. ;-)

No encore is a more acceptable way to express dissatisfaction with the
acoustics, the crowd, the promoter, your bandmates, lack of proper
refreshment and awestruck female companionship in the dressing area,
etc than walking off in the middle of a performance. Also a lot
smarter- there's a 100% chance that the booking contract defined the
minimum acceptable performance time. No play, no pay. If there was a
problem, it may well have been with the promoter being a bit stingy, or
a weak gate that meant the band would be playing for "just" the minimum
guarantee- and if that were the case the "minimum" performance would be
all you would likely get.

Besides, they proably had to rush off without an encore to make
connections. They only had 3 days to get to Saginaw. :-)

I mean, Cleveland, after all. What did EC expect? Weren't both of his
Ohio fans there?
((just kidding!!))

He couldn't have fouled the nest too badly, as he has appeared at the
same venue several times since.

Do you remember who opened for Eric Clapton on that tour?

Damn - this is amazing...

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:

Interesting stuff Chuck....thanks. I was there and remember them
leaving
the stage in a huff. I apparently was wrong about half a show, but I
guess
we expected more than 45 minutes and certainly an encore performance that
never happened.

But that was 27 years ago. ;-)

No encore is a more acceptable way to express dissatisfaction with the
acoustics, the crowd, the promoter, your bandmates, lack of proper
refreshment and awestruck female companionship in the dressing area,
etc than walking off in the middle of a performance. Also a lot
smarter- there's a 100% chance that the booking contract defined the
minimum acceptable performance time. No play, no pay. If there was a
problem, it may well have been with the promoter being a bit stingy, or
a weak gate that meant the band would be playing for "just" the minimum
guarantee- and if that were the case the "minimum" performance would be
all you would likely get.

Besides, they proably had to rush off without an encore to make
connections. They only had 3 days to get to Saginaw. :-)

I mean, Cleveland, after all. What did EC expect? Weren't both of his
Ohio fans there?
((just kidding!!))

The home of Rock and Roll!

He couldn't have fouled the nest too badly, as he has appeared at the
same venue several times since.

Do you remember who opened for Eric Clapton on that tour?

No.

Damn - this is amazing...

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:18:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Then, there's this guy:
http://www.toddwolfe.com/
Check his schedule. Go see him. Amazing.

Pah - another Clapton wannabe.

Dime a dozen.

You've seen him?

I've heard him - that's enough.

With Sheryl Crow?

Damn - this is amazing...

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:41:02 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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The technique relies on muscle memory, but I've never quite seen
anybody do it with just plain old freakin' skill...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Sl8sZuT-U

Hopefully, he will eventually learn how to play music. This kind of
technical gimmickry quickly grows boring.

You're not supposed to watch it for hours and hours!

John

If you add up all the others just like him from the past, the minutes
you've
listened add up quickly to hours.

Then, there's this guy:
http://www.toddwolfe.com/
Check his schedule. Go see him. Amazing.

And, of course......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI5CC...elated&search=

http://www.robbenford.com/

Pass the barf bag! My guitarist thinks Robben Ford is a god. He dresses
like
him, and owns a Baker guitar, which can't cut it on stage. All this to
emulate a guy who was goofy enough to think he could cover a song like
"Peace Love & Understanding", and ended up castrating it instead. Same
with
his version of Homework, which can't hold a candle to the J. Geils
version.

I'm starting to get it now. You don't like any guitarist who's
innovative. I love to see a good guitarist take someone else's song and
make it their own, as opposed to playing at the Ramada Inn covering pop
songs.

Being innovative is one thing. Knowing when you're taking a cover song down
12 notches is an entirely different skill. "Peace Love & Understanding" is a
fiery, passionate song. I'm sure you don't actually think Ford retained that
in his version. If he chose to take that away, then why? Would you like to
hear Harry Connick Jr. do a sappy orchestral version of Led Zeppelin's
"Whole Lotta Love"? :-) Hang on...maybe we're onto something. You know how,
mainly in summer, symphony orchestras like to do pops concerts, where they
rape Beatles songs?

All I know is that when our guitarist suggested we do PL&U Ford's way,
everyone else in the band asked "Why? It's....nothing."

Even great songwriters know when to leave things alone. In an interview I
heard a few years ago, John Prine said that when he does one of his rare
live performances, he almost never sings any song he's written for Bonnie
Raitt. Why? Because he knows he's a great songwriter, but a 3rd rate
performer. There's no point in phuquing up a song that's been done
beautifully by someone else.

Damn - this is amazing...

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:03:32 -0400, DSK wrote:

Clapton is rather modest and very dedicated to his
profession. He plays guitar (when asked to by the music
director) in church, for gosh sake.

I don't know how true this is, but back in the day, I knew a studio
engineer who did some mixing on one of the Cream albums. Apparently,
according to his story anyway, the only one in the session on altitude
restriction was Clapton - stone cold sober.

He also told me the story of Baker being so stoned he couldn't stand
up, but when they put him in front of his drums, he played it straight
through, then fell off the stool unconscious. :)

What ever happened to Jack Bruce anyway?

Cream did a reunion concert last year (IIRC) at Royal Albert Hall. Before
that, Bruce was involved in some local jazz projects. Jazz is where he got
his start before Cream, playing acoustic & electric with people like John
McLaughlin.

Damn - this is amazing...

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:08:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:18:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
m...

Then, there's this guy:
http://www.toddwolfe.com/
Check his schedule. Go see him. Amazing.

Pah - another Clapton wannabe.

Dime a dozen.

You've seen him?

I've heard him - that's enough.

With Sheryl Crow?

No - I was given one of his live albums - from a gig he did somewhere.
I was not impressed - like I said, Clapton wannabe.

I gave the album away I think - it's not in my data base.

"Live at Manny's Car Wash". You should've hung onto it just for Paul
Unsworth's drumming on 3 of the songs. Absolutely amazing.

Damn - this is amazing...

"basskisser" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
The technique relies on muscle memory, but I've never quite seen
anybody do it with just plain old freakin' skill...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Sl8sZuT-U

Hopefully, he will eventually learn how to play music. This kind of
technical gimmickry quickly grows boring.

You have to first have the technical skills down if you are ever going
to be an excellent guitar player. Hell, my first teacher didn't care
much about your picking hand. My second teacher cared a LOT about it,
and my playing skills went up considerably.

I guess I see it differently. You come up with ideas, and then you "learn
into" those ideas.