What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

We experienced a crackdown on BUI during our recent Seafair celebration
in Seattle.

It might be interesting to know how much, or how little drinking others
allow on a boat and under what circumstances.....

I find that as I get older (but surely no wiser) I drink less than
before. While I never drank much at all when underway, I'm down to
virtually zero these days unless the boat is anchored or moored.


*********
Should anybody care to read a long amplification of my opinion....

Seafair Arrests a Sobering Reminder


According to Officer Rob Sharpe of the Washington State Patrol (quoted
in the "Mercer Island Reporter") approximately 200 arrests were
made at Seattle's Seafair celebration in early August. Among those
arrested, almost 2/3 (131) were hauled in for "Boating Under the
Influence" offenses- a dramatic increase from the 49 arrests for the
same offense in 2005 and the 12 BUI arrests in 2004. State Patrol Lt.
Jeffrey R. Sass remarked, "We don't believe that there are more
intoxicated boaters on the water, but that these arrests resulted from
a combined effort by law enforcement."

The Seafair crackdown on legally impaired boat operators was no random
accident. During the year between the 2005 and 2006 events, law
enforcement agencies upgraded the mobile testing and processing
facility from an antiquated ambulance with a single breathalyzer
machine to a new 30-foot motor home with additional breathalyzers and
two holding cells. The new paddy wagon allows arrested suspects to be
tested with less waiting time than in previous years, and those
"blowing" 0.08% BAC (blood alcohol content) or more can be booked
into a holding cell without diverting any officers from patrol duties
to drive suspects to county jail. The newly upgraded mobile
headquarters, combined with an obvious emphasis on water patrols,
indicates that the sudden attention to drinking while boating can be
considered a foreshadowing of enforcement priorities in future years.

There really shouldn't be any arrests for boating under the
influence. That statement isn't intended to mean that the State
Patrol or local law enforcement agencies should turn a blind eye to
dangerous or illegal behavior. Every boat should have a sober and
responsible operator in charge at all times. Seafair, Fourth of July,
and Opening Day are enormous water-party days in this region. For
perhaps a majority of adults, it's tough to imagine much of a party
that doesn't involve intoxicants of some type. The dramatic increase
in Seafair arrests will, hopefully, serve to remind anyone tempted to
relax normal safety standards afloat that safety is the skipper's
responsibility 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, without regard to whether
there's a community celebration going on.

Consider Seattle's Opening Day. Boats begin tying off the log booms
and anchoring in the Montlake Reach days prior to the Saturday crew
races and parade. It's probably not realistic to expect that the
owners of these secured and stationary boats will refrain from enjoying
a few beers, a little wine, or a couple of cocktails with friends and
family that may be aboard, but even this situation can get as mixed up
as a Margarita. If the visitors need to be taken to shore in a dinghy-
the skipper needs to be sober. Somebody aboard every boat should always
be sober enough to take command and make rational decisions in case of
fire, MOB, flooding, or other emergency- and that is by definition the
skipper's responsibility.

The "designated driver" assumption that only one person needs to be
sober enough to pass a blood alcohol test and everybody else aboard can
be absolutely on his or her lips doesn't withstand scrutiny from a
boating perspective, either. According to a December 18, 2001 article
in the "Journal of the American Medical Association" researchers
led by Dr. Gordon Smith of Johns Hopkins University studied 221 boating
related fatalities that occurred in Maryland and North Carolina between
1990 and 1998. About 80% of the deaths were the result of drowning, and
of the boaters that were killed 55% had a positive blood alcohol
content. Researchers were able to determine that with a "still
legal" BAC of 0.05, (roughly equal to the consumption of 3 beers by a
160-pound person) the risk of death to both operators and passengers of
boats was nearly four times as high as the risk endured by an entirely
sober boater. Extremely intoxicated boaters (0.25 BAC) were deemed 52
times as likely to die on the water. Not only does the consumption of
alcohol increase the risk that a boater will fall into the water, it
decreases the chances of successful and timely rescue.

It is no secret that the local press disdains boating and boaters. One
of the Seattle newspapers crowed that Seattle had been "stripped of
its sozzled boaters" during Seafair weekend, and another ran an
editorial headlined "What Do You Do With a Drunken Sailor?" The
consequences of such attention by the media could easily be a push for
unworkable or impractical legislation designed to make laws against
"boating while intoxicated" exactly like laws against "driving
while intoxicated"; a very simplistic solution likely to sound
attractive to state lawmakers.

The use of the same 0.08 blood alcohol standard that is used for
"dwi" arrests is certainly appropriate for boaters. Some of the
other aspects of the automobile oriented dwi law (such as "no open
containers") are less appropriate when applied to a boat. It's in
everybody's best and safest interest if a sober operator additionally
prevents his or her guests from becoming severely intoxicated, but it
would seem wrong to arrest a vessel's sober operator or impound a
boat because one of the guests sitting on the flybridge has an open
bottle of beer.

What's a boater to do? Abstinence prior to getting underway and while
underway (as well as conscientious moderation at anchor) would seem to
be the only foolproof policies. Attached to the privilege of owning and
operating a boat is the responsibility to do so safely as well as to
insure the safety of passengers and guests. It's a reality that there
is alcohol stowed and consumed aboard a probable majority of boats, but
the Seafair arrests should serve as a sobering reminder that a mixture
of alcohol and water can prove to be a very disastrous concoction that
needs to be handled with extreme caution.

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

I enjoy the taste of beer, actually, I LOVE the taste of a good beer,
but even after 2 beers I get too sleepy to enjoy drinking it. So I have
stopped drinking it and drink bottled water. Dasani is my prefered
bottled water. I always buy a 6 pack of flavorful beer, Sam Adams,
Sierra Nevada, an IPA or something like that, and keep it on ice along
with water and soft drinks. I find most people drink that much slower
than Bud or Miller.



Chuck Gould wrote:
We experienced a crackdown on BUI during our recent Seafair celebration
in Seattle.

It might be interesting to know how much, or how little drinking others
allow on a boat and under what circumstances.....

I find that as I get older (but surely no wiser) I drink less than
before. While I never drank much at all when underway, I'm down to
virtually zero these days unless the boat is anchored or moored.


*********
Should anybody care to read a long amplification of my opinion....

Seafair Arrests a Sobering Reminder


According to Officer Rob Sharpe of the Washington State Patrol (quoted
in the "Mercer Island Reporter") approximately 200 arrests were
made at Seattle's Seafair celebration in early August. Among those
arrested, almost 2/3 (131) were hauled in for "Boating Under the
Influence" offenses- a dramatic increase from the 49 arrests for the
same offense in 2005 and the 12 BUI arrests in 2004. State Patrol Lt.
Jeffrey R. Sass remarked, "We don't believe that there are more
intoxicated boaters on the water, but that these arrests resulted from
a combined effort by law enforcement."

The Seafair crackdown on legally impaired boat operators was no random
accident. During the year between the 2005 and 2006 events, law
enforcement agencies upgraded the mobile testing and processing
facility from an antiquated ambulance with a single breathalyzer
machine to a new 30-foot motor home with additional breathalyzers and
two holding cells. The new paddy wagon allows arrested suspects to be
tested with less waiting time than in previous years, and those
"blowing" 0.08% BAC (blood alcohol content) or more can be booked
into a holding cell without diverting any officers from patrol duties
to drive suspects to county jail. The newly upgraded mobile
headquarters, combined with an obvious emphasis on water patrols,
indicates that the sudden attention to drinking while boating can be
considered a foreshadowing of enforcement priorities in future years.

There really shouldn't be any arrests for boating under the
influence. That statement isn't intended to mean that the State
Patrol or local law enforcement agencies should turn a blind eye to
dangerous or illegal behavior. Every boat should have a sober and
responsible operator in charge at all times. Seafair, Fourth of July,
and Opening Day are enormous water-party days in this region. For
perhaps a majority of adults, it's tough to imagine much of a party
that doesn't involve intoxicants of some type. The dramatic increase
in Seafair arrests will, hopefully, serve to remind anyone tempted to
relax normal safety standards afloat that safety is the skipper's
responsibility 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, without regard to whether
there's a community celebration going on.

Consider Seattle's Opening Day. Boats begin tying off the log booms
and anchoring in the Montlake Reach days prior to the Saturday crew
races and parade. It's probably not realistic to expect that the
owners of these secured and stationary boats will refrain from enjoying
a few beers, a little wine, or a couple of cocktails with friends and
family that may be aboard, but even this situation can get as mixed up
as a Margarita. If the visitors need to be taken to shore in a dinghy-
the skipper needs to be sober. Somebody aboard every boat should always
be sober enough to take command and make rational decisions in case of
fire, MOB, flooding, or other emergency- and that is by definition the
skipper's responsibility.

The "designated driver" assumption that only one person needs to be
sober enough to pass a blood alcohol test and everybody else aboard can
be absolutely on his or her lips doesn't withstand scrutiny from a
boating perspective, either. According to a December 18, 2001 article
in the "Journal of the American Medical Association" researchers
led by Dr. Gordon Smith of Johns Hopkins University studied 221 boating
related fatalities that occurred in Maryland and North Carolina between
1990 and 1998. About 80% of the deaths were the result of drowning, and
of the boaters that were killed 55% had a positive blood alcohol
content. Researchers were able to determine that with a "still
legal" BAC of 0.05, (roughly equal to the consumption of 3 beers by a
160-pound person) the risk of death to both operators and passengers of
boats was nearly four times as high as the risk endured by an entirely
sober boater. Extremely intoxicated boaters (0.25 BAC) were deemed 52
times as likely to die on the water. Not only does the consumption of
alcohol increase the risk that a boater will fall into the water, it
decreases the chances of successful and timely rescue.

It is no secret that the local press disdains boating and boaters. One
of the Seattle newspapers crowed that Seattle had been "stripped of
its sozzled boaters" during Seafair weekend, and another ran an
editorial headlined "What Do You Do With a Drunken Sailor?" The
consequences of such attention by the media could easily be a push for
unworkable or impractical legislation designed to make laws against
"boating while intoxicated" exactly like laws against "driving
while intoxicated"; a very simplistic solution likely to sound
attractive to state lawmakers.

The use of the same 0.08 blood alcohol standard that is used for
"dwi" arrests is certainly appropriate for boaters. Some of the
other aspects of the automobile oriented dwi law (such as "no open
containers") are less appropriate when applied to a boat. It's in
everybody's best and safest interest if a sober operator additionally
prevents his or her guests from becoming severely intoxicated, but it
would seem wrong to arrest a vessel's sober operator or impound a
boat because one of the guests sitting on the flybridge has an open
bottle of beer.

What's a boater to do? Abstinence prior to getting underway and while
underway (as well as conscientious moderation at anchor) would seem to
be the only foolproof policies. Attached to the privilege of owning and
operating a boat is the responsibility to do so safely as well as to
insure the safety of passengers and guests. It's a reality that there
is alcohol stowed and consumed aboard a probable majority of boats, but
the Seafair arrests should serve as a sobering reminder that a mixture
of alcohol and water can prove to be a very disastrous concoction that
needs to be handled with extreme caution.

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...

We experienced a crackdown on BUI during our recent Seafair celebration
in Seattle.

It might be interesting to know how much, or how little drinking others
allow on a boat and under what circumstances.....

I find that as I get older (but surely no wiser) I drink less than
before. While I never drank much at all when underway, I'm down to
virtually zero these days unless the boat is anchored or moored.




Same here. I don't drink anything stronger than coffee or Pepsi before and
while underway. Guests are free to do whatever they want but I'd never take
anyone with a reputation for getting carried away, nor would I ever take
him/her again if they ever did. I've never had a problem with anyone
though.

I wasn't always so responsible. In my younger days I was an idiot
sometimes, but changed my tune as I got older.

Eisboch

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

On my boat? none at all.

none of my family drinks.



Chuck Gould wrote:
We experienced a crackdown on BUI during our recent Seafair celebration
in Seattle.

It might be interesting to know how much, or how little drinking others
allow on a boat and under what circumstances.....

I find that as I get older (but surely no wiser) I drink less than
before. While I never drank much at all when underway, I'm down to
virtually zero these days unless the boat is anchored or moored.


*********
Should anybody care to read a long amplification of my opinion....

Seafair Arrests a Sobering Reminder


According to Officer Rob Sharpe of the Washington State Patrol (quoted
in the "Mercer Island Reporter") approximately 200 arrests were
made at Seattle's Seafair celebration in early August. Among those
arrested, almost 2/3 (131) were hauled in for "Boating Under the
Influence" offenses- a dramatic increase from the 49 arrests for the
same offense in 2005 and the 12 BUI arrests in 2004. State Patrol Lt.
Jeffrey R. Sass remarked, "We don't believe that there are more
intoxicated boaters on the water, but that these arrests resulted from
a combined effort by law enforcement."

The Seafair crackdown on legally impaired boat operators was no random
accident. During the year between the 2005 and 2006 events, law
enforcement agencies upgraded the mobile testing and processing
facility from an antiquated ambulance with a single breathalyzer
machine to a new 30-foot motor home with additional breathalyzers and
two holding cells. The new paddy wagon allows arrested suspects to be
tested with less waiting time than in previous years, and those
"blowing" 0.08% BAC (blood alcohol content) or more can be booked
into a holding cell without diverting any officers from patrol duties
to drive suspects to county jail. The newly upgraded mobile
headquarters, combined with an obvious emphasis on water patrols,
indicates that the sudden attention to drinking while boating can be
considered a foreshadowing of enforcement priorities in future years.

There really shouldn't be any arrests for boating under the
influence. That statement isn't intended to mean that the State
Patrol or local law enforcement agencies should turn a blind eye to
dangerous or illegal behavior. Every boat should have a sober and
responsible operator in charge at all times. Seafair, Fourth of July,
and Opening Day are enormous water-party days in this region. For
perhaps a majority of adults, it's tough to imagine much of a party
that doesn't involve intoxicants of some type. The dramatic increase
in Seafair arrests will, hopefully, serve to remind anyone tempted to
relax normal safety standards afloat that safety is the skipper's
responsibility 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, without regard to whether
there's a community celebration going on.

Consider Seattle's Opening Day. Boats begin tying off the log booms
and anchoring in the Montlake Reach days prior to the Saturday crew
races and parade. It's probably not realistic to expect that the
owners of these secured and stationary boats will refrain from enjoying
a few beers, a little wine, or a couple of cocktails with friends and
family that may be aboard, but even this situation can get as mixed up
as a Margarita. If the visitors need to be taken to shore in a dinghy-
the skipper needs to be sober. Somebody aboard every boat should always
be sober enough to take command and make rational decisions in case of
fire, MOB, flooding, or other emergency- and that is by definition the
skipper's responsibility.

The "designated driver" assumption that only one person needs to be
sober enough to pass a blood alcohol test and everybody else aboard can
be absolutely on his or her lips doesn't withstand scrutiny from a
boating perspective, either. According to a December 18, 2001 article
in the "Journal of the American Medical Association" researchers
led by Dr. Gordon Smith of Johns Hopkins University studied 221 boating
related fatalities that occurred in Maryland and North Carolina between
1990 and 1998. About 80% of the deaths were the result of drowning, and
of the boaters that were killed 55% had a positive blood alcohol
content. Researchers were able to determine that with a "still
legal" BAC of 0.05, (roughly equal to the consumption of 3 beers by a
160-pound person) the risk of death to both operators and passengers of
boats was nearly four times as high as the risk endured by an entirely
sober boater. Extremely intoxicated boaters (0.25 BAC) were deemed 52
times as likely to die on the water. Not only does the consumption of
alcohol increase the risk that a boater will fall into the water, it
decreases the chances of successful and timely rescue.

It is no secret that the local press disdains boating and boaters. One
of the Seattle newspapers crowed that Seattle had been "stripped of
its sozzled boaters" during Seafair weekend, and another ran an
editorial headlined "What Do You Do With a Drunken Sailor?" The
consequences of such attention by the media could easily be a push for
unworkable or impractical legislation designed to make laws against
"boating while intoxicated" exactly like laws against "driving
while intoxicated"; a very simplistic solution likely to sound
attractive to state lawmakers.

The use of the same 0.08 blood alcohol standard that is used for
"dwi" arrests is certainly appropriate for boaters. Some of the
other aspects of the automobile oriented dwi law (such as "no open
containers") are less appropriate when applied to a boat. It's in
everybody's best and safest interest if a sober operator additionally
prevents his or her guests from becoming severely intoxicated, but it
would seem wrong to arrest a vessel's sober operator or impound a
boat because one of the guests sitting on the flybridge has an open
bottle of beer.

What's a boater to do? Abstinence prior to getting underway and while
underway (as well as conscientious moderation at anchor) would seem to
be the only foolproof policies. Attached to the privilege of owning and
operating a boat is the responsibility to do so safely as well as to
insure the safety of passengers and guests. It's a reality that there
is alcohol stowed and consumed aboard a probable majority of boats, but
the Seafair arrests should serve as a sobering reminder that a mixture
of alcohol and water can prove to be a very disastrous concoction that
needs to be handled with extreme caution.

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

On 15 Aug 2006 09:37:24 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

We experienced a crackdown on BUI during our recent Seafair celebration
in Seattle.

It might be interesting to know how much, or how little drinking others
allow on a boat and under what circumstances.....

I find that as I get older (but surely no wiser) I drink less than
before. While I never drank much at all when underway, I'm down to
virtually zero these days unless the boat is anchored or moored.


I don't drink, so for me it's a non-issue. I don't mind if a guest (usually
a fisherman) brings a couple beers, but I wouldn't tolerate drunken
behavior.

I've never had an occasion to get down on someone for excessive drinking.
If worse came to worse, I'd just pollute the bay with his beer.
--
******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

John

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

Harry Krause wrote:

I don't drink much, on or off the boat, so BUI is no concern of mine.
But some of the guys I fish with drink like fish. Or worse. The amazing
thing is, no matter how much they drink, they don't get falling down
drunk. That I do not understand.

It is my understanding that is one of the signs of an alcoholic.

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
We experienced a crackdown on BUI during our recent Seafair celebration
in Seattle.

It might be interesting to know how much, or how little drinking others
allow on a boat and under what circumstances.....

I find that as I get older (but surely no wiser) I drink less than
before. While I never drank much at all when underway, I'm down to
virtually zero these days unless the boat is anchored or moored.


*********
Should anybody care to read a long amplification of my opinion....

Seafair Arrests a Sobering Reminder


According to Officer Rob Sharpe of the Washington State Patrol (quoted
in the "Mercer Island Reporter") approximately 200 arrests were
made at Seattle's Seafair celebration in early August. Among those
arrested, almost 2/3 (131) were hauled in for "Boating Under the
Influence" offenses- a dramatic increase from the 49 arrests for the
same offense in 2005 and the 12 BUI arrests in 2004. State Patrol Lt.
Jeffrey R. Sass remarked, "We don't believe that there are more
intoxicated boaters on the water, but that these arrests resulted from
a combined effort by law enforcement."

The Seafair crackdown on legally impaired boat operators was no random
accident. During the year between the 2005 and 2006 events, law
enforcement agencies upgraded the mobile testing and processing
facility from an antiquated ambulance with a single breathalyzer
machine to a new 30-foot motor home with additional breathalyzers and
two holding cells. The new paddy wagon allows arrested suspects to be
tested with less waiting time than in previous years, and those
"blowing" 0.08% BAC (blood alcohol content) or more can be booked
into a holding cell without diverting any officers from patrol duties
to drive suspects to county jail. The newly upgraded mobile
headquarters, combined with an obvious emphasis on water patrols,
indicates that the sudden attention to drinking while boating can be
considered a foreshadowing of enforcement priorities in future years.

There really shouldn't be any arrests for boating under the
influence. That statement isn't intended to mean that the State
Patrol or local law enforcement agencies should turn a blind eye to
dangerous or illegal behavior. Every boat should have a sober and
responsible operator in charge at all times. Seafair, Fourth of July,
and Opening Day are enormous water-party days in this region. For
perhaps a majority of adults, it's tough to imagine much of a party
that doesn't involve intoxicants of some type. The dramatic increase
in Seafair arrests will, hopefully, serve to remind anyone tempted to
relax normal safety standards afloat that safety is the skipper's
responsibility 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, without regard to whether
there's a community celebration going on.

Consider Seattle's Opening Day. Boats begin tying off the log booms
and anchoring in the Montlake Reach days prior to the Saturday crew
races and parade. It's probably not realistic to expect that the
owners of these secured and stationary boats will refrain from enjoying
a few beers, a little wine, or a couple of cocktails with friends and
family that may be aboard, but even this situation can get as mixed up
as a Margarita. If the visitors need to be taken to shore in a dinghy-
the skipper needs to be sober. Somebody aboard every boat should always
be sober enough to take command and make rational decisions in case of
fire, MOB, flooding, or other emergency- and that is by definition the
skipper's responsibility.

The "designated driver" assumption that only one person needs to be
sober enough to pass a blood alcohol test and everybody else aboard can
be absolutely on his or her lips doesn't withstand scrutiny from a
boating perspective, either. According to a December 18, 2001 article
in the "Journal of the American Medical Association" researchers
led by Dr. Gordon Smith of Johns Hopkins University studied 221 boating
related fatalities that occurred in Maryland and North Carolina between
1990 and 1998. About 80% of the deaths were the result of drowning, and
of the boaters that were killed 55% had a positive blood alcohol
content. Researchers were able to determine that with a "still
legal" BAC of 0.05, (roughly equal to the consumption of 3 beers by a
160-pound person) the risk of death to both operators and passengers of
boats was nearly four times as high as the risk endured by an entirely
sober boater. Extremely intoxicated boaters (0.25 BAC) were deemed 52
times as likely to die on the water. Not only does the consumption of
alcohol increase the risk that a boater will fall into the water, it
decreases the chances of successful and timely rescue.

It is no secret that the local press disdains boating and boaters. One
of the Seattle newspapers crowed that Seattle had been "stripped of
its sozzled boaters" during Seafair weekend, and another ran an
editorial headlined "What Do You Do With a Drunken Sailor?" The
consequences of such attention by the media could easily be a push for
unworkable or impractical legislation designed to make laws against
"boating while intoxicated" exactly like laws against "driving
while intoxicated"; a very simplistic solution likely to sound
attractive to state lawmakers.

The use of the same 0.08 blood alcohol standard that is used for
"dwi" arrests is certainly appropriate for boaters. Some of the
other aspects of the automobile oriented dwi law (such as "no open
containers") are less appropriate when applied to a boat. It's in
everybody's best and safest interest if a sober operator additionally
prevents his or her guests from becoming severely intoxicated, but it
would seem wrong to arrest a vessel's sober operator or impound a
boat because one of the guests sitting on the flybridge has an open
bottle of beer.

What's a boater to do? Abstinence prior to getting underway and while
underway (as well as conscientious moderation at anchor) would seem to
be the only foolproof policies. Attached to the privilege of owning and
operating a boat is the responsibility to do so safely as well as to
insure the safety of passengers and guests. It's a reality that there
is alcohol stowed and consumed aboard a probable majority of boats, but
the Seafair arrests should serve as a sobering reminder that a mixture
of alcohol and water can prove to be a very disastrous concoction that
needs to be handled with extreme caution.


We bring along a few beers and enjoy a few while in the water, not drinking
to excess and stopping a hour or so before we plan to leave. We don't drink
while underway.

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:12:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:



The amazing thing
is, no matter how much they drink, they don't get falling down drunk. That
I do not understand.

Practice.

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
We experienced a crackdown on BUI during our recent Seafair celebration
in Seattle.

It might be interesting to know how much, or how little drinking others
allow on a boat and under what circumstances.....

I find that as I get older (but surely no wiser) I drink less than
before. While I never drank much at all when underway, I'm down to
virtually zero these days unless the boat is anchored or moored.

I allow one beer per person on my boat. Most of the time, I don't even drink
mine because for some reason, beer whacks me when I'm out in the sun. As for
the passengers, I don't want people whose sense of balance is impaired. My
yacht's 14' long. Although it's incredibly stable, there *are* situations
where shifting weight can make thing interesting. When my tackle box gets
flipped, it makes me wanna kill. I wanna see dead, heaped burnt bodies....

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 15 Aug 2006 09:37:24 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

It might be interesting to know how much, or how little drinking others
allow on a boat and under what circumstances.....

Zero - no alcohol allowed aboard.

If clients want a couple of beers after to talk about the days
fishing, I allow that at the dock and have a locked cooler for their
use where they can keep their beer or other alcohol. If we're using
the Ranger, we'll stop on the way back for a quick one at several
places I know at the ramps I normally use.

Soft drinks are the only drinks allowed onboard - period, no
exceptions.

And to answer the inimitable questions:

1 - Yes, I have terminated a trip where somebody put liquor into juice
bottles.

2 - Yes, I have refused to take somebody along who I felt wasn't
sober.

3 - It's my policy and it's strictly enforced - if you don't like it,
tough.

So, you're saying "no alchohol", in other words. Or booze.

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 15 Aug 2006 09:37:24 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

It might be interesting to know how much, or how little drinking others
allow on a boat and under what circumstances.....

Zero - no alcohol allowed aboard.

If clients want a couple of beers after to talk about the days
fishing, I allow that at the dock and have a locked cooler for their
use where they can keep their beer or other alcohol. If we're using
the Ranger, we'll stop on the way back for a quick one at several
places I know at the ramps I normally use.

Soft drinks are the only drinks allowed onboard - period, no
exceptions.

And to answer the inimitable questions:

1 - Yes, I have terminated a trip where somebody put liquor into juice
bottles.

2 - Yes, I have refused to take somebody along who I felt wasn't
sober.

3 - It's my policy and it's strictly enforced - if you don't like it,
tough.

since I rarely drink, and the boat is not a business, I allow people to
drink. My fishing partners do not drink so not a problem with them, and
since I normally drink waters or a diet Dr. Pepper, I have no problem with
drinking on the boat. But, I do not allow smoking on board.

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:01:48 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

But, I do not allow smoking on board.

Now that's just draconian!!! :)

How the hell can you tell any decent story telling without a good
cigar to emphasis?

Whatever you say, Groucho. :-)

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

On 15 Aug 2006 09:37:24 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

It might be interesting to know how much, or how little drinking others
allow on a boat and under what circumstances.....

My personal policy is no alchohol before, or while, underway. Guests
are free to do as they wish within reason.

I'm curious to know whether the Seattle sobriety checks were done on
boats at anchor, or only those who were under way.

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:01:48 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

But, I do not allow smoking on board.

Now that's just draconian!!! :)

How the hell can you tell any decent story telling without a good
cigar to emphasis?


He's from California. No smoking, anywhere.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:01:48 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

But, I do not allow smoking on board.

Now that's just draconian!!! :)

How the hell can you tell any decent story telling without a good
cigar to emphasis?


He's from California. No smoking, anywhere.

Eisboch


False. You're allowed to smoke outside of the 12 mile international limit.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:01:48 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

But, I do not allow smoking on board.

Now that's just draconian!!! :)

How the hell can you tell any decent story telling without a good
cigar to emphasis?


He's from California. No smoking, anywhere.

Eisboch


I am not against smoking, just on my boat. I make enough money from Altria
each year to pay for my boating. Sin pays, and pays well.

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What's "Altria"?


Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:01:48 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

But, I do not allow smoking on board.

Now that's just draconian!!! :)

How the hell can you tell any decent story telling without a good
cigar to emphasis?


He's from California. No smoking, anywhere.

Eisboch


I am not against smoking, just on my boat. I make enough money from Altria
each year to pay for my boating. Sin pays, and pays well.

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Harry Krause wrote:
Cancer spreading corporation.

Oh yeah.. I forgot.

"Calling Phillip Morrrrrris"

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 15 Aug 2006 09:37:24 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:


It might be interesting to know how much, or how little drinking others
allow on a boat and under what circumstances.....

Zero - no alcohol allowed aboard.

If clients want a couple of beers after to talk about the days
fishing, I allow that at the dock and have a locked cooler for their
use where they can keep their beer or other alcohol. If we're using
the Ranger, we'll stop on the way back for a quick one at several
places I know at the ramps I normally use.

Soft drinks are the only drinks allowed onboard - period, no
exceptions.

And to answer the inimitable questions:

1 - Yes, I have terminated a trip where somebody put liquor into juice
bottles.

2 - Yes, I have refused to take somebody along who I felt wasn't
sober.

3 - It's my policy and it's strictly enforced - if you don't like it,
tough.


So, you're saying "no alchohol", in other words. Or booze.



Help me out here. What's the difference?

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wrote in message
oups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:
Cancer spreading corporation.

Oh yeah.. I forgot.

"Calling Phillip Morrrrrris"


Yep, and with declining stock values.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altria_Group

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"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
nk.net...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 15 Aug 2006 09:37:24 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:


It might be interesting to know how much, or how little drinking others
allow on a boat and under what circumstances.....

Zero - no alcohol allowed aboard.

If clients want a couple of beers after to talk about the days
fishing, I allow that at the dock and have a locked cooler for their
use where they can keep their beer or other alcohol. If we're using
the Ranger, we'll stop on the way back for a quick one at several
places I know at the ramps I normally use.

Soft drinks are the only drinks allowed onboard - period, no
exceptions.

And to answer the inimitable questions:

1 - Yes, I have terminated a trip where somebody put liquor into juice
bottles.

2 - Yes, I have refused to take somebody along who I felt wasn't
sober.

3 - It's my policy and it's strictly enforced - if you don't like it,
tough.


So, you're saying "no alchohol", in other words. Or booze.

Help me out here. What's the difference?


The correct spelling of one and not the other. ;-)

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:01:48 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

But, I do not allow smoking on board.

Now that's just draconian!!! :)

How the hell can you tell any decent story telling without a good
cigar to emphasis?


CIGAR! Did someone say CIGAR?

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
We experienced a crackdown on BUI during our recent Seafair celebration
in Seattle.

It might be interesting to know how much, or how little drinking others
allow on a boat and under what circumstances.....

My daughter allows me one half a beer on a hot summer day. Once per summer!
I'm not kidding. There's more to the story, but not very interesting.

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" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message
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wrote in message
oups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:
Cancer spreading corporation.

Oh yeah.. I forgot.

"Calling Phillip Morrrrrris"


Yep, and with declining stock values.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altria_Group


I did not know about the declining stock value. Since I paid 32 for it and
it returns a 4% dividend. I guess I will have to reevaluate the company.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=MO&t=5y

As to cancer, cigarettes have been known as Cancer sticks since the 1920's.
No one makes you smoke them. Warning on every pack.

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:01:48 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

But, I do not allow smoking on board.

Now that's just draconian!!! :)

How the hell can you tell any decent story telling without a good
cigar to emphasis?

You can wave your beer around.

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Harry Krause wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 15 Aug 2006 19:13:06 -0700, "Brazilla"
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:01:48 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

But, I do not allow smoking on board.
Now that's just draconian!!! :)

How the hell can you tell any decent story telling without a good
cigar to emphasis?
CIGAR! Did someone say CIGAR?

Damn straight.


I don't allow smoking on the boats, in the cars, in the house. The
stench makes me want to puke. Blech! And it permeates everything.

Same here. When I smoked, I never realized just how nasty it is. Now
that I've not smoked for a few years, it is the nastied, vile smell in
the world. The last office complex I worked in, there was a guy that
smoked cigars outside in the smoking area, that was just horrendous
stink.

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
We experienced a crackdown on BUI during our recent Seafair celebration
in Seattle.

It might be interesting to know how much, or how little drinking others
allow on a boat and under what circumstances.....

I find that as I get older (but surely no wiser) I drink less than
before. While I never drank much at all when underway, I'm down to
virtually zero these days unless the boat is anchored or moored.


*********
Should anybody care to read a long amplification of my opinion....

Seafair Arrests a Sobering Reminder


According to Officer Rob Sharpe of the Washington State Patrol (quoted
in the "Mercer Island Reporter") approximately 200 arrests were
made at Seattle's Seafair celebration in early August. Among those
arrested, almost 2/3 (131) were hauled in for "Boating Under the
Influence" offenses- a dramatic increase from the 49 arrests for the
same offense in 2005 and the 12 BUI arrests in 2004. State Patrol Lt.
Jeffrey R. Sass remarked, "We don't believe that there are more
intoxicated boaters on the water, but that these arrests resulted from
a combined effort by law enforcement."

The Seafair crackdown on legally impaired boat operators was no random
accident. During the year between the 2005 and 2006 events, law
enforcement agencies upgraded the mobile testing and processing
facility from an antiquated ambulance with a single breathalyzer
machine to a new 30-foot motor home with additional breathalyzers and
two holding cells. The new paddy wagon allows arrested suspects to be
tested with less waiting time than in previous years, and those
"blowing" 0.08% BAC (blood alcohol content) or more can be booked
into a holding cell without diverting any officers from patrol duties
to drive suspects to county jail. The newly upgraded mobile
headquarters, combined with an obvious emphasis on water patrols,
indicates that the sudden attention to drinking while boating can be
considered a foreshadowing of enforcement priorities in future years.

There really shouldn't be any arrests for boating under the
influence. That statement isn't intended to mean that the State
Patrol or local law enforcement agencies should turn a blind eye to
dangerous or illegal behavior. Every boat should have a sober and
responsible operator in charge at all times. Seafair, Fourth of July,
and Opening Day are enormous water-party days in this region. For
perhaps a majority of adults, it's tough to imagine much of a party
that doesn't involve intoxicants of some type. The dramatic increase
in Seafair arrests will, hopefully, serve to remind anyone tempted to
relax normal safety standards afloat that safety is the skipper's
responsibility 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, without regard to whether
there's a community celebration going on.

Consider Seattle's Opening Day. Boats begin tying off the log booms
and anchoring in the Montlake Reach days prior to the Saturday crew
races and parade. It's probably not realistic to expect that the
owners of these secured and stationary boats will refrain from enjoying
a few beers, a little wine, or a couple of cocktails with friends and
family that may be aboard, but even this situation can get as mixed up
as a Margarita. If the visitors need to be taken to shore in a dinghy-
the skipper needs to be sober. Somebody aboard every boat should always
be sober enough to take command and make rational decisions in case of
fire, MOB, flooding, or other emergency- and that is by definition the
skipper's responsibility.

The "designated driver" assumption that only one person needs to be
sober enough to pass a blood alcohol test and everybody else aboard can
be absolutely on his or her lips doesn't withstand scrutiny from a
boating perspective, either. According to a December 18, 2001 article
in the "Journal of the American Medical Association" researchers
led by Dr. Gordon Smith of Johns Hopkins University studied 221 boating
related fatalities that occurred in Maryland and North Carolina between
1990 and 1998. About 80% of the deaths were the result of drowning, and
of the boaters that were killed 55% had a positive blood alcohol
content. Researchers were able to determine that with a "still
legal" BAC of 0.05, (roughly equal to the consumption of 3 beers by a
160-pound person) the risk of death to both operators and passengers of
boats was nearly four times as high as the risk endured by an entirely
sober boater. Extremely intoxicated boaters (0.25 BAC) were deemed 52
times as likely to die on the water. Not only does the consumption of
alcohol increase the risk that a boater will fall into the water, it
decreases the chances of successful and timely rescue.

It is no secret that the local press disdains boating and boaters. One
of the Seattle newspapers crowed that Seattle had been "stripped of
its sozzled boaters" during Seafair weekend, and another ran an
editorial headlined "What Do You Do With a Drunken Sailor?" The
consequences of such attention by the media could easily be a push for
unworkable or impractical legislation designed to make laws against
"boating while intoxicated" exactly like laws against "driving
while intoxicated"; a very simplistic solution likely to sound
attractive to state lawmakers.

The use of the same 0.08 blood alcohol standard that is used for
"dwi" arrests is certainly appropriate for boaters. Some of the
other aspects of the automobile oriented dwi law (such as "no open
containers") are less appropriate when applied to a boat. It's in
everybody's best and safest interest if a sober operator additionally
prevents his or her guests from becoming severely intoxicated, but it
would seem wrong to arrest a vessel's sober operator or impound a
boat because one of the guests sitting on the flybridge has an open
bottle of beer.

What's a boater to do? Abstinence prior to getting underway and while
underway (as well as conscientious moderation at anchor) would seem to
be the only foolproof policies. Attached to the privilege of owning and
operating a boat is the responsibility to do so safely as well as to
insure the safety of passengers and guests. It's a reality that there
is alcohol stowed and consumed aboard a probable majority of boats, but
the Seafair arrests should serve as a sobering reminder that a mixture
of alcohol and water can prove to be a very disastrous concoction that
needs to be handled with extreme caution.



Since I usually fish alone, I carry 2 beers. The first one not to be opened
until
I catch the first fish (only of the species Im targeting) and the
2nd...well..
the first one was so good... :)

db

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None. No booze before, during or until after the boat is unloaded,
cleaned up and covered in the driveway.

Guest may not have alcohol either. If they don't like it, tough $h!t.
I'm not babysitting a bunch of drunks. There are enough of them on
the lake as it is, I don't need them in the boat with me.

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But, I do not allow smoking on board.


Totally makes sense on a gasoline fueled boat

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
How the hell can you tell any decent story telling without a good
cigar to emphasis?

Easily.

Or the long answer, by using one's intelligence to develop
one's language skills such that communicating ideas, events,
stories, or jokes, can be done with a minimum of extraneous
verbiage and no distractions.

Or to put the same concept into the current vernacular...
If you gave a cigar to a turnip, would that make it a better
story teller?

DSK

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Carlyle Lake had huge banners at every landing port, that says "ALCOHOL
AND BOATING DON'T MIX"

And they have plenty of conservation officers partoling the lake to
find whose been tanking it.

About every weekend, somebody gets hauled in.


Joey916 wrote:
None. No booze before, during or until after the boat is unloaded,
cleaned up and covered in the driveway.

Guest may not have alcohol either. If they don't like it, tough $h!t.
I'm not babysitting a bunch of drunks. There are enough of them on
the lake as it is, I don't need them in the boat with me.

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


That's the whole point of telling stories - you develop a certain
methodology of telling a story and in my case, I use a cigar for
emphasis - kind of like how a comedian uses body language or facial
expressions to get a point across. It's just a prop.



Why am I getting this mental image of a cross between Groucho Marx and
George Burns?

Eisboch

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:50:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..


That's the whole point of telling stories - you develop a certain
methodology of telling a story and in my case, I use a cigar for
emphasis - kind of like how a comedian uses body language or facial
expressions to get a point across. It's just a prop.

Why am I getting this mental image of a cross between Groucho Marx and
George Burns?

It has been mentioned on more than one occasion. :)

And those are perfect examples of my point.

Stage prop or not.........I doubt they would have been smoking those things
if they knew the health risks associated with them as we know now, including
the health risks to others of inhaling second hand smoke produced by your
smelly cigars. ;-)

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" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message
. ..


Stage prop or not.........I doubt they would have been smoking those
things if they knew the health risks associated with them as we know now,
including the health risks to others of inhaling second hand smoke
produced by your smelly cigars. ;-)


Cigars are good for you. Keeps the mosquitoes and other annoying creatures,
some people included, away.

Eisboch

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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:50:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Why am I getting this mental image of a cross between Groucho Marx and
George Burns?

No cigars when he was on my boat, Mrs B would have been all over him
with a fire extinguisher.

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:23:18 -0400, DSK wrote:


But, I do not allow smoking on board.

Totally makes sense on a gasoline fueled boat

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

How the hell can you tell any decent story telling without a good
cigar to emphasis?

Easily.


Says you.


Or the long answer, by using one's intelligence to develop
one's language skills such that communicating ideas, events,
stories, or jokes, can be done with a minimum of extraneous
verbiage and no distractions.


That's the whole point of telling stories - you develop a certain
methodology of telling a story and in my case, I use a cigar for
emphasis - kind of like how a comedian uses body language or facial
expressions to get a point across. It's just a prop.

My father, who was a syndicated columnist in his day (King Features
and Hearts News), always used to smoke a pipe when he was writing. No
other time did he smoke anything - just when he was writing. It was
part of his "gestalt" for developing and explaining complex business
ideas and commentary on business issues of the day.

In my case, it's just a "part" of me - part of my "identity" if you
will. When the good stories start, the cigar comes out and it becomes
"one" with me - it's just what I do and how I share experiences.

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.


Or to put the same concept into the current vernacular...
If you gave a cigar to a turnip, would that make it a better
story teller?


Damn straight. :)

If they could only come up with a non stinky, smokeless version.
Wait a minute... what about those chocolate cigars you pass out when
your kid is born?

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"Don White" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:23:18 -0400, DSK wrote:


But, I do not allow smoking on board.

Totally makes sense on a gasoline fueled boat

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

How the hell can you tell any decent story telling without a good
cigar to emphasis?

Easily.


Says you.


Or the long answer, by using one's intelligence to develop one's language
skills such that communicating ideas, events, stories, or jokes, can be
done with a minimum of extraneous verbiage and no distractions.


That's the whole point of telling stories - you develop a certain
methodology of telling a story and in my case, I use a cigar for
emphasis - kind of like how a comedian uses body language or facial
expressions to get a point across. It's just a prop.

My father, who was a syndicated columnist in his day (King Features
and Hearts News), always used to smoke a pipe when he was writing. No
other time did he smoke anything - just when he was writing. It was
part of his "gestalt" for developing and explaining complex business
ideas and commentary on business issues of the day.

In my case, it's just a "part" of me - part of my "identity" if you
will. When the good stories start, the cigar comes out and it becomes
"one" with me - it's just what I do and how I share experiences.

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.
Or to put the same concept into the current vernacular...
If you gave a cigar to a turnip, would that make it a better story
teller?


Damn straight. :)

If they could only come up with a non stinky, smokeless version.
Wait a minute... what about those chocolate cigars you pass out when your
kid is born?


(WARNING, ADULT CONTENT)

If it is strictly for emphasis, he can also pull one of these out of his
pocket and end up getting a lot of attention (especially from the woman and
the guys always wanting folks to have 'spectacular' days). ;-)

http://tinyurl.com/f3b8l

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JimH wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:23:18 -0400, DSK wrote:



But, I do not allow smoking on board.

Totally makes sense on a gasoline fueled boat

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:


How the hell can you tell any decent story telling without a good
cigar to emphasis?

Easily.


Says you.



Or the long answer, by using one's intelligence to develop one's language
skills such that communicating ideas, events, stories, or jokes, can be
done with a minimum of extraneous verbiage and no distractions.


That's the whole point of telling stories - you develop a certain
methodology of telling a story and in my case, I use a cigar for
emphasis - kind of like how a comedian uses body language or facial
expressions to get a point across. It's just a prop.

My father, who was a syndicated columnist in his day (King Features
and Hearts News), always used to smoke a pipe when he was writing. No
other time did he smoke anything - just when he was writing. It was
part of his "gestalt" for developing and explaining complex business
ideas and commentary on business issues of the day.

In my case, it's just a "part" of me - part of my "identity" if you
will. When the good stories start, the cigar comes out and it becomes
"one" with me - it's just what I do and how I share experiences.

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.

Or to put the same concept into the current vernacular...
If you gave a cigar to a turnip, would that make it a better story
teller?


Damn straight. :)

If they could only come up with a non stinky, smokeless version.
Wait a minute... what about those chocolate cigars you pass out when your
kid is born?



(WARNING, ADULT CONTENT)

If it is strictly for emphasis, he can also pull one of these out of his
pocket and end up getting a lot of attention (especially from the woman and
the guys always wanting folks to have 'spectacular' days). ;-)

http://tinyurl.com/f3b8l



Tom would probably look cute fondling one of those. ;-)

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:25:02 GMT, Don White
wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:23:18 -0400, DSK wrote:



But, I do not allow smoking on board.

Totally makes sense on a gasoline fueled boat

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:


How the hell can you tell any decent story telling without a good
cigar to emphasis?

Easily.


Says you.



Or the long answer, by using one's intelligence to develop one's
language
skills such that communicating ideas, events, stories, or jokes, can
be
done with a minimum of extraneous verbiage and no distractions.


That's the whole point of telling stories - you develop a certain
methodology of telling a story and in my case, I use a cigar for
emphasis - kind of like how a comedian uses body language or facial
expressions to get a point across. It's just a prop.

My father, who was a syndicated columnist in his day (King Features
and Hearts News), always used to smoke a pipe when he was writing. No
other time did he smoke anything - just when he was writing. It was
part of his "gestalt" for developing and explaining complex business
ideas and commentary on business issues of the day.

In my case, it's just a "part" of me - part of my "identity" if you
will. When the good stories start, the cigar comes out and it becomes
"one" with me - it's just what I do and how I share experiences.

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.

Or to put the same concept into the current vernacular...
If you gave a cigar to a turnip, would that make it a better story
teller?


Damn straight. :)

If they could only come up with a non stinky, smokeless version.
Wait a minute... what about those chocolate cigars you pass out when
your
kid is born?



(WARNING, ADULT CONTENT)

If it is strictly for emphasis, he can also pull one of these out of his
pocket and end up getting a lot of attention (especially from the woman
and
the guys always wanting folks to have 'spectacular' days). ;-)

http://tinyurl.com/f3b8l



Tom would probably look cute fondling one of those. ;-)

About as cute as you holding one of these. :)


Or one of these when you have your socialist mandated annual physical.


I had my annual physical 2 weeks ago..........including the 'bend over'
routine.

I am now seeing my doctor 2/year (with blood tests) just to make sure
everything is still working OK. ;-)

I do, however, exercise 5 times/week by walking for 30 minutes and consider
myself in fairly good health. My stress test this year shows that my heart
is equal to that of a 45 year old.............I am 10 years older. ;-)

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***** Have a Gay Day, Jim! *****
******************************************

John

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:



About as cute as you holding one of these. :)

http://tinyurl.com/gt7c3



If I brought one of those home, the wife just might declare me surplus!