What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 17 Aug 2006 06:29:56 -0700, "basskisser"
wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:39:06 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

basskisser wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.

That's called addiction. I know, I was there. When I quit smoking, with
the aids to help, after the pills they gave me were over, I craved a
smoke for a couple of years after. Still, even though it stinks
horribly, and I can tell a person smokes no matter how careful they are
to not get it on there clothes, etc., I sometimes see someone light up
after a meal or something, and I think, damn that would be nice. It's a
fleeting moment these days, however, and I never give in.

I haven't smoked in many many years, and yet I still get cravings when I
see someone light up after a mean or catch a whiff of fresh smoke
walking outside.

I think the smell of smoke on someone who has been smoking smells like
****, but I still like the smell of a cigarette. It shows you how
strong the addiction is.

I really am amused by this - addiction - HAH!!

You wouldn't know addiction if it bit you in the ass.

No offense intended you understand - just a turn of phrase.

Really, you don't think that a stinking nasty habit that is "ingrained
in your soul" is addiction? Do you not think that smoking IS addictive?

http://www.ash.org.uk/html/factsheets/html/fact09.html
which states:
Is nicotine addictive?

I'm sure it is - in fact, I know it is.

But smoking is a behavior. And all this bull**** about "addiction to
nicotine" is the AMA and drug companies building a case for their
methodology which is - ta da - drugs.

Quitting smoking is just another behavior that requires some fortitude
to quit.

I'll be the first to admit it - I like smoking cigars and see no
reason to quit. My lungs are fine, my heart is fine, yada, yada,
yada.

That has nothing to do with whether or not nicotine is addictive. I've
heard, and even said that I liked to smoke. I was in denial. There are
many, many studies that show nicotine is in fact, VERY addictive. I've
not seen one that says otherwise. The site I gave you has nothing to do
with the AMA.

From the American Heart Association: Notice the Surgeon General's
report.

Nicotine is an addictive drug. It causes changes in the brain that make
people want to use it more and more. In addition, addictive drugs cause
unpleasant withdrawal symptoms. The good feelings that result when an
addictive drug is present - and the bad feelings when it's absent -
make breaking any addiction very difficult. Nicotine addiction has
historically been one of the hardest addictions to break.

The 1988 Surgeon General's Report, "Nicotine Addiction," concluded that

Cigarettes and other forms of tobacco are addicting.
Nicotine is the drug that causes addiction.
Pharmacologic and behavioral characteristics that determine tobacco
addiction are similar to those that determine addiction to drugs such
as heroin and cocaine.
What else does nicotine do to the body?
When a person smokes a cigarette, the body responds immediately to the
chemical nicotine in the smoke. Nicotine causes a short-term increase
in blood pressure, heart rate and the flow of blood from the heart. It
also causes the arteries to narrow. The smoke includes carbon monoxide,
which reduces the amount of oxygen the blood can carry. This, combined
with the nicotine effects, creates an imbalance between the demand for
oxygen by the cells and the amount of oxygen the blood can supply.

Here's the website for the National Institute on Drug Abuse which
states that nicotine is addictive and smoking is addictive:

http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchRepo.../Nicotine.html

From emedicine.com:
http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1642.htm

And on and on. Nicotine addiction is far from "bull****".

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:32:28 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:13:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:39:06 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

basskisser wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.

That's called addiction. I know, I was there. When I quit smoking,
with
the aids to help, after the pills they gave me were over, I craved a
smoke for a couple of years after. Still, even though it stinks
horribly, and I can tell a person smokes no matter how careful they
are
to not get it on there clothes, etc., I sometimes see someone light up
after a meal or something, and I think, damn that would be nice. It's
a
fleeting moment these days, however, and I never give in.

I haven't smoked in many many years, and yet I still get cravings when I
see someone light up after a mean or catch a whiff of fresh smoke
walking outside.

I think the smell of smoke on someone who has been smoking smells like
****, but I still like the smell of a cigarette. It shows you how
strong the addiction is.

I really am amused by this - addiction - HAH!!

You wouldn't know addiction if it bit you in the ass.

No offense intended you understand - just a turn of phrase.

Uh oh. Is this gonna turn into a "whose addiction was more macho" debate?
Nicotine addiction is no different from alcoholism, except that it doesn't
cause you to drive dangerously, unless you try to flick a butt out the
window and it lands in the back seat and you panic.

Not at all, but to compare heroin to nicotine is just plain horse****.

Ever see somebody coming down off heroin?

It ain't pretty.

Ever see somebody quitting smoking? Quite different.

Right - the withdrawal is different. But, that says nothing about how easily
it is to become addicted to either one. Both issues are important.

If they are both equally addictive, then which is worse - the one
where withdrawal is cold sweats, projectile vomiting, hallucinations
and bone breaking muscle spasms or one where it's a question of
behavior modification?

They aren't equal in any sense of the word.

They are both equally addictive. They aren't however, equally hard to
quit.

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

basskisser wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 17 Aug 2006 06:29:56 -0700, "basskisser"
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:39:06 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

basskisser wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.
That's called addiction. I know, I was there. When I quit smoking, with
the aids to help, after the pills they gave me were over, I craved a
smoke for a couple of years after. Still, even though it stinks
horribly, and I can tell a person smokes no matter how careful they are
to not get it on there clothes, etc., I sometimes see someone light up
after a meal or something, and I think, damn that would be nice. It's a
fleeting moment these days, however, and I never give in.

I haven't smoked in many many years, and yet I still get cravings when I
see someone light up after a mean or catch a whiff of fresh smoke
walking outside.

I think the smell of smoke on someone who has been smoking smells like
****, but I still like the smell of a cigarette. It shows you how
strong the addiction is.
I really am amused by this - addiction - HAH!!

You wouldn't know addiction if it bit you in the ass.

No offense intended you understand - just a turn of phrase.
Really, you don't think that a stinking nasty habit that is "ingrained
in your soul" is addiction? Do you not think that smoking IS addictive?

http://www.ash.org.uk/html/factsheets/html/fact09.html
which states:
Is nicotine addictive?
I'm sure it is - in fact, I know it is.

But smoking is a behavior. And all this bull**** about "addiction to
nicotine" is the AMA and drug companies building a case for their
methodology which is - ta da - drugs.

Quitting smoking is just another behavior that requires some fortitude
to quit.

I'll be the first to admit it - I like smoking cigars and see no
reason to quit. My lungs are fine, my heart is fine, yada, yada,
yada.

That has nothing to do with whether or not nicotine is addictive. I've
heard, and even said that I liked to smoke. I was in denial. There are
many, many studies that show nicotine is in fact, VERY addictive. I've
not seen one that says otherwise. The site I gave you has nothing to do
with the AMA.

From the American Heart Association: Notice the Surgeon General's
report.

Nicotine is an addictive drug. It causes changes in the brain that make
people want to use it more and more. In addition, addictive drugs cause
unpleasant withdrawal symptoms. The good feelings that result when an
addictive drug is present - and the bad feelings when it's absent -
make breaking any addiction very difficult. Nicotine addiction has
historically been one of the hardest addictions to break.

The 1988 Surgeon General's Report, "Nicotine Addiction," concluded that

Cigarettes and other forms of tobacco are addicting.
Nicotine is the drug that causes addiction.
Pharmacologic and behavioral characteristics that determine tobacco
addiction are similar to those that determine addiction to drugs such
as heroin and cocaine.
What else does nicotine do to the body?
When a person smokes a cigarette, the body responds immediately to the
chemical nicotine in the smoke. Nicotine causes a short-term increase
in blood pressure, heart rate and the flow of blood from the heart. It
also causes the arteries to narrow. The smoke includes carbon monoxide,
which reduces the amount of oxygen the blood can carry. This, combined
with the nicotine effects, creates an imbalance between the demand for
oxygen by the cells and the amount of oxygen the blood can supply.

Here's the website for the National Institute on Drug Abuse which
states that nicotine is addictive and smoking is addictive:

http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchRepo.../Nicotine.html

From emedicine.com:
http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1642.htm

And on and on. Nicotine addiction is far from "bull****".


Anyone want to step outside and smoke a cigerette?

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:17:52 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:39:06 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

basskisser wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.
That's called addiction. I know, I was there. When I quit smoking, with
the aids to help, after the pills they gave me were over, I craved a
smoke for a couple of years after. Still, even though it stinks
horribly, and I can tell a person smokes no matter how careful they are
to not get it on there clothes, etc., I sometimes see someone light up
after a meal or something, and I think, damn that would be nice. It's a
fleeting moment these days, however, and I never give in.

I haven't smoked in many many years, and yet I still get cravings when I
see someone light up after a mean or catch a whiff of fresh smoke
walking outside.

I think the smell of smoke on someone who has been smoking smells like
****, but I still like the smell of a cigarette. It shows you how
strong the addiction is.
I really am amused by this - addiction - HAH!!

You wouldn't know addiction if it bit you in the ass.

No offense intended you understand - just a turn of phrase.

Uh oh. Is this gonna turn into a "whose addiction was more macho" debate?
Nicotine addiction is no different from alcoholism, except that it doesn't
cause you to drive dangerously, unless you try to flick a butt out the
window and it lands in the back seat and you panic.



A scientist did a study that showed nicotine was more "addictive" than
heroin, since I am not in the mood to look up the details of the study
or his definition and the criteria of "addiction" or get into a debate
on the validity of his criteria and methodology of his study I decided
to let that one go. It is possible, just possible that Tom doesn't
understand nicotine addiction.

I've seen the same thing. It was much harder for me to stop smoking than
stop using heroin. Of course, maybe never trying heroin had something to do
with that.
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What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

They aren't equal in any sense of the word.
They are both equally addictive. They aren't however, equally hard to
quit.

Hmmmm - ok, I'll let you get away with that.

Oh damn, no I won't.

Nah - yes I will - I'm just not into it. :)

I know how you feel.

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

As much as we can drink before the ice melts and the beer gets warm.
Normally 2 on the way to the lake, 12 in the boat, 2 wiping down the
boat, 2 back home. Stop for another 18 pack, and go swimming.

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

wrote:
As much as we can drink before the ice melts and the beer gets warm.
Normally 2 on the way to the lake, 12 in the boat, 2 wiping down the
boat, 2 back home. Stop for another 18 pack, and go swimming.

Sounds about right to me!

What is the alcohol policy on your boat?
 

The situation in your article isn't one that I can relate to.

For one thing, they weren't "sailors", they were in stationary boats.

from the article "It's probably not realistic to expect that the owners
of these secured and stationary boats will refrain from enjoying a few
beers, a little wine, or a couple of cocktails with friends and family
that may be aboard, but even this situation can get as mixed up as a
Margarita. If the visitors need to be taken to shore in a dinghy the
skipper needs to be sober."

I've never heard of a sailboater out on the water being busted for
alcohol. As soon as you say something like that, it'll happen. For
example, I never heard of a sail boat being busted for out of date
registration in the middle of a regatta and someone told me that it
recently happened on my lake.

Chuck Gould wrote:
We experienced a crackdown on BUI during our recent Seafair celebration
in Seattle. cut ...

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 15 Aug 2006 09:37:24 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
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It might be interesting to know how much, or how little drinking others
allow on a boat and under what circumstances.....

Zero - no alcohol allowed aboard.

If clients want a couple of beers after to talk about the days
fishing, I allow that at the dock and have a locked cooler for their
use where they can keep their beer or other alcohol. If we're using
the Ranger, we'll stop on the way back for a quick one at several
places I know at the ramps I normally use.

Soft drinks are the only drinks allowed onboard - period, no
exceptions.

And to answer the inimitable questions:

1 - Yes, I have terminated a trip where somebody put liquor into juice
bottles.

2 - Yes, I have refused to take somebody along who I felt wasn't
sober.

3 - It's my policy and it's strictly enforced - if you don't like it,
tough.


So, you're saying "no alchohol", in other words. Or booze.

Help me out here. What's the difference?



The correct spelling of one and not the other. ;-)


Got it.

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Chuck Gould wrote:
: We experienced a crackdown on BUI during our recent Seafair celebration
: in Seattle.

: It might be interesting to know how much, or how little drinking others
: allow on a boat and under what circumstances.....

: I find that as I get older (but surely no wiser) I drink less than
: before. While I never drank much at all when underway, I'm down to
: virtually zero these days unless the boat is anchored or moored.


I only allow good alcohol on my boat.

b.