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trainfan1 August 21st 06 03:13 AM

HELP! - 1979 Johnson Javlin 100hp - Intermittent starting problem
 
wrote:
I'm betting the problem is solved!



DAY5-Coming back from the last time out, I heard a loud screeeeetch,
type noise, pull the boat and trailer over to the A&W. First thing,
check hubs - yep one is burning HOT and she's (the hub/bearings) shot.
I was able to drop the boat, and get the grease and screwdriver at the
Ace Hardware a block away. So I grease it up, and limp the boat and
trailer home.

I get both trailer hubs professionally worked on and installed new with
new buddy bearings.


Grease the bearing buddies at the ramp before dunking to prevent sucking
water into the hot bearings when they hit the water.


I take the boat out. Put it in the water and now,
the POWER TILT is not working. I cannot lower the motor in the water
(100hp Johnson OB Javlin). 1) the button works on the FNR leaver. 2)
the hydraulic pump is pumpin (or it's getting juice) so that circut is
good.

I press down on the power trim, and the hydraulic motor goes (like
normal), but the motor just sits there in a forward tilted out of the
water type position. I tried to press the motor down forcing it, and
that would not even work. I press up on the power trim button the
hydraulic motor hums but the motor does nothing?

This is not normal. The power trim always worked, well since I bought
the boat a few weeks ago. I did notice, when I went to pick up the boat
at the trailer shop, hydraulic fluid "leaking" out of what looked like
the right piston that sticks out behind transom next to the motor.
There is two of these piston looking things and there was hydraulic
fluid about 1 teaspoon, on the cement floor of the guy's shop. And
traced it up to that (seal)? around that piston that (One of Two of em)
stick up.

Looking at the back underneath side of the motor, there looks to be a
reseviour next too these pistons things, with a side screwdriver plug
type screw. I'll pull that out and put in some brake fluid? I guess
you'd use that or hyrdaulic fliud? (same thing?)?


NO, use power trim fluid(WalMart carries it). There is also a bleed
screw, on the pump housing, to allow manual tilting of the outboard in
case of system failure.


Anyone ever fixed a non working power trim that looks and sounds like
it should be working? It's has to be low on fluid? Any help to fix this
one would be great!!!


Fill & bleed the air out first, then ID the leak/failure.

BTW, I never got to test the auto choke which started the whole thread,
next weekend I hope now.


Have you taken out a line of credit for boat repairs yet?

Rob

[email protected] September 11th 06 08:57 PM

HELP! - 1979 Johnson Javlin 100hp - Intermittent starting problem
 

Have you taken out a line of credit for boat repairs yet?

Rob


Nice jab there. Well no I have not regarding that LOC.

DAY6 - Well low and behold - you do push the key in, the motor chokes,
and then the motor STARTS every time. Thanks everyone for that info I'm
in the water now!

Power Trim Update: I filled the reservior with the correct trim fluid
and STILL the power trim failed to go up or down. I then took it to the
local Marina mechanic and $85 and 7d later, appearently there were
loose electrical connections back under transom box where the solenoide
is. The mechanic was doing the initial electrical checks to the power
trim and found "loose connection" which returned the power trim back to
normal use. All were tightened and the motor tilts just like new now.

DAY 7 - NEW PROBLEM starts on 100HP Johnson Javlin with "starting the
motor." - HELP!

Well after the mechanic fixed the power trim, now the motor does this
every time it's 1st time in the water cold, it "turning on the key, the
starter motor just clicks, turn the key again and it clicks again,
after about 20-30 clicks on the key to start, the starter motor starts
to spin catching the top gear to crank" sometimes I have to manually
spin the starter motor to the "catch" position then hit the key to
start, sometimes it'll just click, but the more agressive you get with
clicking juice to the starter motor by turning the key to the on
position, the more it becomes "alive" and starts to crank normally.

I've managed to get the motor to start every time but it's very
annoying to have to sit there at the boat dock (with everyone watching)
while I click, click, click, click, (take motor cover off), click,
(spin the starter motor by hand), click, click, (starter motor starts
to move), click, click, and then finally the starter motor "clicks in"
and cranks and starts, pushing the key to choke (of course).

I'm thinking now I either have a potential circuit problem to the
starter motor or a bad starter motor is there any way I can
troubleshoot this prior to taking the boat back to the marina for
another look?

I'd appreciate any insight on diagnosing if this a circuit problem,
juice to the starter problem (need voltage numbers and how to check),
or if I have a bad starter motor (intermittently failing - how do you
check that - other than swap in a new part?)...etc. Has anyone
experienced this type of clicking behavior from the starter motor?

Thanks!



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