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On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:39:58 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
I sincerely hope Joe Lieberman is successful today.

It's amazing and sad that some are willing to sacrifice a honorable,
decent and honest man, simply to make a political statement.

Eisboch

Lieberman might have avoided the primary today had he merely been
"hawkish" on the war and otherwise been non-supportive of Bush and
Bush's
conduct of same.

I am watching MSNBC as I type and listened to an interview with
somebody
...
didn't catch who .... who pointed out that Joe Lieberman is really the
last
of the old school, Kennedy-type Democrats. His vision is greater than
that
of simply the interests of his own party and is willing to work to
influence
without slamming doors shut. We need more of people like him in
politics.

Damn straight...

Been listening to Zell maybe.
Zell's losing his mind, he goes off on rants so easily these days, I'd
take anything he said with a grain of salt.


We need more who will speak their mind, not the party line!

But he's gone way too far, he's lost it. You should hear him lately.
Being a local, I've heard many, many things he's said that was so far
off base, it's laughable. I liked the cut of his jib until he went off
the deep end. I wouldn't trust him to be a school custodian.

Harry Krause wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:





I dunno. What is it now - 65%-70% of Americans are none too pleased
with the Bush Administration's conduct of its war against Iraq? While
the Repubs will try to paint Lamont and other Dems who oppose their
war as "weak on defense," I don't believe that dog is going to hunt.
You'd think by now that most voters would be able to differentiate
between a failed foreign policy that has drained our national
security and a reasoned approach to getting out of Iraq that
recognizes that country is heading down the toilet.

The Democrats are weak on defense.


Report back here when you've finished high school, Bertbrain.

I did near 30 years ago.

Do you disagree that the Democrats are weak on defense? The say the have
a better plan, they say the will fight smarter but, they can't put their
better plan into words and the can't describe how to fight smarter. The
reason is that they have no better plan and they don't know tot fight
let alone fight smarter.


The Bush-Republican-Neocon fiasco has done us serious and
long-lasting damage around the world. We have "lost face" everywhere.
Central and South America are turning left. Iran is thumbing its nose
at us every way it can, and because we're bogged down in Iraq, it was
able to get its Hezbollah client to start up serious trouble with
Israel.

We are in the initial stages of WWIII. You can choose to bury your
head in the sand if you want but, this war hasn't even gotten started.


Well, then, son, you ought to re-up. I'm sure the marines could use you
to stop a bullet or an IED.

When are you going to serve your country?

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:38:52 -0400, DSK wrote:


Then why are you meddling in a primary election that is not
in your state


Wayne.B wrote:
Last time I looked Shortwave Tom was very much in Connecticut.


My mistake, I thought he was in Massachusetts

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:38:52 -0400, DSK wrote:


Then why are you meddling in a primary election that is not in your state


Wayne.B wrote:
Last time I looked Shortwave Tom was very much in Connecticut.


My mistake, I thought he was in Massachusetts

DSK


Yeah. That was *me* meddling in a primary election that was not in my
state. But, MA and CT are connected at the hip, so to speak, geographically
and politically.

Eisboch

JimH wrote:

Could you offer some examples of his writings that would classify him as
crazy?

Jim, if you heard his speech rants locally, you'd realize the man is
losing it. As for some quotes:

"I'm just an old man looking after cemeteries,"

"[We have] a prolonged and seemingly unending period of a lack of
decency. A fish doesn't know it's wet. We're numb and we can't even
feel it."

Then take a look at this:
http://tinyurl.com/6oema

Eric Zorn has transcripts of Miller's just-short-of-clinically-insane
interviews on MSNBC and CNN right after his speech.


William Saletan goes nuclear: this is no longer just an ordinary
election, he says, it's "becoming a referendum on democracy."


NewDonkey: "Not since Pat Buchanan's famous 'culture war' speech in
1992 has a major speaker at a national political convention spoken so
hatefully, at such length, about the opposition. At the dark heart of
the speech was the same old tired litany of lies and
mischaracterizations about Kerry's Senate votes on military spending
and weapons systems that BC04 has been retailing for many months."


From a time machine, Zell Miller himself criticizes his speech. Here's
what he had to say in 2001: "John Kerry has fought against government
waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to
Washington....John has worked to strengthen our military."


Andrew Sullivan: "[Miller's] speech tonight was in this vein, a classic
Dixiecrat speech, jammed with bald lies, straw men, and hateful
rhetoric....The man's speech was not merely crude; it added whole
universes to the word crude."


Jonathan Cohn in the New Republic: "It was one of the most vile
political speeches in recent American history, every bit as offensive
as Pat Buchanan's infamous call in 1992 for "religious war" and,
perhaps, a little more disturbing. Buchanan's speech, after all, was an
assault on decency. Last night Miller declared war on democracy."


Matt Yglesias, who was in the hall when Miller spoke: "I don't believe
I've ever heard a more disgusting speech delivered in the English
language. The fact that I couldn't see a single person on the floor who
seemed to feel anything less than the utmost enthusiasm for that lunacy
was, well, a bit disturbing."


Commenter Thumb, reacting to my pithy comment last night: "Zell's
speech reads better in the original German."

Bert Robbins wrote:

When are you going to serve your country?

When Hannity and Limbaugh does.

Harry Krause wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:


I dunno. What is it now - 65%-70% of Americans are none too pleased
with the Bush Administration's conduct of its war against Iraq?
While the Repubs will try to paint Lamont and other Dems who oppose
their war as "weak on defense," I don't believe that dog is going
to hunt. You'd think by now that most voters would be able to
differentiate between a failed foreign policy that has drained our
national security and a reasoned approach to getting out of Iraq
that recognizes that country is heading down the toilet.
The Democrats are weak on defense.

Report back here when you've finished high school, Bertbrain.

I did near 30 years ago.

Ahh. I should have said, "graduated."

I did that when I walked across the stage with my other 600 classmates.


Do you disagree that the Democrats are weak on defense?

Yeah, I disagree. The Republican plan is to do the same stupid things
over and over and over, and hope for a better outcome. We see the
results of that in Iraq and on the Israel-Lebanon border, and in Iran
and North Korea shaking in their boots. The Republicans are weak on
defense, because they haven't a clue as to what works.

Complaints and more complaints. What would the Democrats do if they had
the power to do so?

You have no plan, you have no idea how to fight a war.



We are in the initial stages of WWIII. You can choose to bury your
head in the sand if you want but, this war hasn't even gotten started.

Well, then, son, you ought to re-up. I'm sure the marines could use
you to stop a bullet or an IED.

When are you going to serve your country?


I have.

As a generals civilian dog-robber?

basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:

When are you going to serve your country?

When Hannity and Limbaugh does.


There you go again Kevin. Putting dependencies on everything.

Why don't you just do it.

Harry Krause wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:

When are you going to serve your country?

When Hannity and Limbaugh does.



I took no pleasure in Lieberman's defeat last night, but I did see some
clips of Hannity getting close to a stroke, and that was fun. What an
ass he is.

Hannity is a self serving ass!

Bert Robbins wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:

When are you going to serve your country?

When Hannity and Limbaugh does.


There you go again Kevin. Putting dependencies on everything.

I see that you are still posting in ignorance. Care to take the $5000
challenge? Put up, shut up, or admit your afraid.