"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:26:07 GMT, "Calif Bill"
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Stumbled into something on Saturday and tried 'em out last night.

WHOO HOO!!!

http://tinyurl.com/f3hpy

In Pearl/Gray, they are very attractive to stripers - big stripers. I
was totally surprised.

Boated and released a ton of blue too.

Good times.

Those things are delicious with dijon mustard.

Somewhat related: I'm reading more and more info lately (and not from
anyone even remotely involved with PETA) that catch & release does not
work. The mortality rate may be MUCH higher than we've thought for many
years. It has no relationship, either, to whether you use barbless
hooks.


Mortality rate is lots less than catch and release into 350 degree oil.
Sure there is a mortality from C&R, and lots do not do a good release.
They
abuse the fish when ripping the hook from the fish. The California F&G
has
done a lot of C&R testing, and they do not see an excess amount of loss.

Part of it is barbless fishing hooks.

I swear, if they went and made barbless hook mandatory, you'd see that
drop too.

Friend of mine manufactures these. Donates a lot to the kids fishing ponds
at sport shows, etc. Work well. It is making some for the salt. So the
advantage of a J hook that you can release.
http://www.sheltonproducts.com/sheltonrelease.html

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 05:52:41 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:26:07 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Stumbled into something on Saturday and tried 'em out last night.

WHOO HOO!!!

http://tinyurl.com/f3hpy

In Pearl/Gray, they are very attractive to stripers - big stripers. I
was totally surprised.

Boated and released a ton of blue too.

Good times.
Those things are delicious with dijon mustard.

Somewhat related: I'm reading more and more info lately (and not from
anyone even remotely involved with PETA) that catch & release does not
work. The mortality rate may be MUCH higher than we've thought for many
years. It has no relationship, either, to whether you use barbless
hooks.

Mortality rate is lots less than catch and release into 350 degree oil.
Sure there is a mortality from C&R, and lots do not do a good release.
They
abuse the fish when ripping the hook from the fish. The California F&G
has
done a lot of C&R testing, and they do not see an excess amount of loss.
Part of it is barbless fishing hooks.

I swear, if they went and made barbless hook mandatory, you'd see that
drop too.
Friend of mine manufactures these. Donates a lot to the kids fishing ponds
at sport shows, etc. Work well. It is making some for the salt. So the
advantage of a J hook that you can release.
http://www.sheltonproducts.com/sheltonrelease.html

I just sent him an email - if he does make a sal****er version, I want
some - I think that's a great idea.

I'm going to try some of the larger hooks for testing.
Tom,
That will solve the problem of damaging the fish the fish by touching
and removing the hook. I have heard a problem with real "fighting" fish
is the die from all the stress and the lactic acid they produce while
fighting. By the time you get the them to the boat, they are completely
spent and don't even have enough energy to swim to keep the water
flowing past their gills. Someone posted something about keeping fish
in an live well until they have recovered, I have never heard of that
before, but it does make sense if it is at all possible.

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 07:51:26 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


Friend of mine recently ordered two 18-200 Nikkors and is expecting UPS
delivery today or tomorrow. I believe he paid around $700 each. For fun,
I checked the supplier he used but at the moment it is out of inventory.

I'm going to have to borrow one of these lenses.

What are you going to put it on?
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John

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:24:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Stumbled into something on Saturday and tried 'em out last night.

WHOO HOO!!!

http://tinyurl.com/f3hpy

In Pearl/Gray, they are very attractive to stripers - big stripers. I
was totally surprised.

Boated and released a ton of blue too.

Good times.

Those things are delicious with dijon mustard.

Somewhat related: I'm reading more and more info lately (and not from
anyone
even remotely involved with PETA) that catch & release does not work. The
mortality rate may be MUCH higher than we've thought for many years. It
has
no relationship, either, to whether you use barbless hooks.

I've seen some of those studies and they are a concern, no doubt about
it.

On the other hand, I fish a lot of lakes and rivers with catch/release
for trout and I don't see evidence of a large amount of over kill in
those - quite the contrary in fact.


Tom, think about that paragraph, beginnning with "On the other hand". :-)
You seem like a guy who knows something about stats and research methods.



I think a lot of it is how you treat the fish after catching it.
Personally, if I'm bass fishing, I keep them in a live well with
highly oxygenated water and leave it that way for a couple of hours. I
don't chuck 'em back into the water and I don't hold them by the jaw
with their mouths open. As a result, I personally don't see the same
mortality they have been reporting.

With stripers, it's a tad more difficult, but I always try to release
the fish in the water rather than remove it from the water to remove
the hook. Drag it along side the boat for a minute or two and release
it - they seem like they are ok - I've never been back to an area and
seen a dead striper that way. I took that idea from a billfish guide
I fished with ten or so years ago.

Blue fish - you can't kill them things - they will eat your face off
even if they are half dead.

Yeah...it's a whole combination of things. I start fondling the handgun when
I see guys wearing a thick garden glove so they can safely (for them) hoist
a large fish by the gill cover, and then swing it all over the boat while
they hunt for the camera.

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:05:03 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 07:51:26 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Friend of mine recently ordered two 18-200 Nikkors and is expecting UPS
delivery today or tomorrow. I believe he paid around $700 each. For fun,
I checked the supplier he used but at the moment it is out of inventory.

I'm going to have to borrow one of these lenses.

What are you going to put it on?
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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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John


A camera, John.

Which one, Harry?
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John

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:14:20 -0400, Harry Krause
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JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:05:03 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 07:51:26 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Friend of mine recently ordered two 18-200 Nikkors and is expecting UPS
delivery today or tomorrow. I believe he paid around $700 each. For fun,
I checked the supplier he used but at the moment it is out of inventory.

I'm going to have to borrow one of these lenses.
What are you going to put it on?
--
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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

John

A camera, John.

Which one, Harry?
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John

A nikon camera, john. Why?

D200, Harry?
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John

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 07:51:26 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Friend of mine recently ordered two 18-200 Nikkors and is expecting UPS
delivery today or tomorrow. I believe he paid around $700 each. For fun,
I checked the supplier he used but at the moment it is out of inventory.

I'm going to have to borrow one of these lenses.

What are you going to put it on?
--
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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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John


A camera, John.


I spent the night on the boat and just came home. When I got here, Mrs.E.
was in the backyard playing with her camera, trying out a new lens that she
bought yesterday. It's a 18-200mm Nikon or Nikkor, but I am not sure if
it's the VR lens under discussion. She said the camera shop called it a
"beach lens" - kind of a universal use, lightweight zoom lens. She took off
to go horse-back riding before it dawned on me and she took the camera with
her, so I can't verify what it is.
Does Nikon or Nikkor make a non-VR 18-200mm lens?

Eisboch

On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:16:08 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 07:51:26 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Friend of mine recently ordered two 18-200 Nikkors and is expecting UPS
delivery today or tomorrow. I believe he paid around $700 each. For fun,
I checked the supplier he used but at the moment it is out of inventory.

I'm going to have to borrow one of these lenses.

What are you going to put it on?
--
******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

John


A camera, John.


I spent the night on the boat and just came home. When I got here, Mrs.E.
was in the backyard playing with her camera, trying out a new lens that she
bought yesterday. It's a 18-200mm Nikon or Nikkor, but I am not sure if
it's the VR lens under discussion. She said the camera shop called it a
"beach lens" - kind of a universal use, lightweight zoom lens. She took off
to go horse-back riding before it dawned on me and she took the camera with
her, so I can't verify what it is.
Does Nikon or Nikkor make a non-VR 18-200mm lens?

Eisboch


Are you sure it was 18-200 and not 28-200?

This one perhaps?

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/28200af.htm
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John

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


Somewhat related: I'm reading more and more info lately (and not from anyone
even remotely involved with PETA) that catch & release does not work. The
mortality rate may be MUCH higher than we've thought for many years.


Bull****. People have been catching and releasing you for years and
you're still around. And biting.

Tick tock tick tock

-- Charlie

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:16:08 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:




I spent the night on the boat and just came home. When I got here, Mrs.E.
was in the backyard playing with her camera, trying out a new lens that
she
bought yesterday. It's a 18-200mm Nikon or Nikkor, but I am not sure if
it's the VR lens under discussion. She said the camera shop called it a
"beach lens" - kind of a universal use, lightweight zoom lens. She took
off
to go horse-back riding before it dawned on me and she took the camera
with
her, so I can't verify what it is.
Does Nikon or Nikkor make a non-VR 18-200mm lens?

Eisboch


Are you sure it was 18-200 and not 28-200?

This one perhaps?

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/28200af.htm

Nope. She briefly told me about it before she left and said it also had a
macro setting that the 28-200 apparently does not. Also, I got the
impression that the 28-200mm is for film cameras.

I am pretty sure she said 18-200mm. (using it on Harry's D70 that she
bought).
Now I am really curious.

Eisboch