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1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
Hi,
I'm planning to step from my 1992 Bayliner 2655 to a Maxum 1993 270 SCR. I want to get more power, since my current Bayliner got only a merc. 5.0 L (305 HP) and find some rides a little tuff. 1) Should I go with dual 4.3 L (205 HP) mercruiser or a single 7,4 L (454 HP) and what's the pros and cons of having 2 engines instead of one ? I can't make my mind about the fuel overall cost. 2) What about my upgrade choice, since I want more room, a better finishing and a smoother ride ? Thanks for your so appreciated advice. Guy |
1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
Somewhere between 26-28 feet, you need to consider whether to go with
single or twin screws. Over 28 feet, twin screws are almost a given. Beyond that it really depends on where you boat and in what situations....Do you want speed or manuverability? Speed - just remember..."there's no replacement for displacement." At the time, you're 5.0 liter was probably a base engine and they likely offered a 5.7 upgrade or possibly a 7.4 option, but a 7.4 option would have been doubtful for a Bayliner at that time. The 5.0 is probably just adequate for the size of the boat...definitely not a thrill ride though. You might want to look at a single screw duo prop. I have a friend who has a 26' boat with a duo prop 5.7 350 which will do 55, or better, on a good day. Manuverability - Twin screws are a lot more manuverable in docking situations with wind, but you're gonna burn more fuel. I'm guessing a single 454 will probably burn less fuel than twin 4.3's...twin 305's would really cook, but that is probably not a Bayliner or Maxum option and that will definitely keep the Saudi's in business. Ride - A quick FYI, unless a boat is totally underpowered, your engine has little to do with your ride quality, so aside from the power issue, you should really ask yourself whether you've been "truly" happy with your Bayliner quality in terms of its ride/hull as well as the quality of the interior and hardware (windshield, etc). More importantly, a better brand will give you a much better ride, as Bayliners and Maxum's are not known for being solid/rigid hulls. Beyond that, I am almost positive that a Maxum is really a Bayliner in wolf's diguise. They are, or were, at that time owned by the same conglomerate. What I'm saying is that if you're gonna upgrade boats, you should upgrade brands. If you can swing it, look for a better brand like a Regal or Chaparell. Those brands won't break the bank like a Chris-Craft, Formula or a Cobalt, but they are solid mid-line boats and you won't regret it on the resale end either. pailleg wrote: Hi, I'm planning to step from my 1992 Bayliner 2655 to a Maxum 1993 270 SCR. I want to get more power, since my current Bayliner got only a merc. 5.0 L (305 HP) and find some rides a little tuff. 1) Should I go with dual 4.3 L (205 HP) mercruiser or a single 7,4 L (454 HP) and what's the pros and cons of having 2 engines instead of one ? I can't make my mind about the fuel overall cost. 2) What about my upgrade choice, since I want more room, a better finishing and a smoother ride ? Thanks for your so appreciated advice. Guy |
1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
1) Should I go with dual 4.3 L (205 HP) mercruiser or a single 7,4 L
(454 HP) and what's the pros and cons of having 2 engines instead of one ? I can't make my mind about the fuel overall cost. For what it's worth, I've heard from owners their dual prop (e.g. bravo 3, volvo) gives improved efficiency/performance/tracking over a single prop ... or ... almost as good as having twin engines. So I'd test drive a dual prop. Plus there's a lot less to maintain/go wrong ... about 1/2 as much :-) |
1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
"Century Coronado Cardel" wrote in message oups.com... Ride - A quick FYI, unless a boat is totally underpowered, your engine has little to do with your ride quality, so aside from the power issue, you should really ask yourself whether you've been "truly" happy with your Bayliner quality in terms of its ride/hull as well as the quality of the interior and hardware (windshield, etc). Exactly how is the quality of the interior and hardware of a Bayliner? Or are you just bashing the brand because of it's once deserved poor reputation that Bayliner shed in the 1990's. More importantly, a better brand will give you a much better ride, as Bayliners and Maxum's are not known for being solid/rigid hulls. Really? Care to explain how they build their hulls and what makes them inferior? Beyond that, I am almost positive that a Maxum is really a Bayliner in wolf's diguise. They are, or were, at that time owned by the same conglomerate. They still are. Brunswick also owns Sea Ray, Hatteras, Baja, Lund and Boston Whaler, as well as several others. With your logic one would conclude also that a Bayliner is really a Sea Ray in wolf's disguise, just as a Lund is really the same boat as a Boston Whaler. What I'm saying is that if you're gonna upgrade boats, you should upgrade brands. If you can swing it, look for a better brand like a Regal or Chaparell. Those brands won't break the bank like a Chris-Craft, Formula or a Cobalt, but they are solid mid-line boats and you won't regret it on the resale end either. How is a Chris-Craft a better built boat than a comparable Maxum? Sorry Patrick but it is obvious that you are giving advice when you really don't know what you are talking about. |
1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
Single 8.1, if available or 7.4 if not, with VP or Merc dual prop.
Sufficient performance with vastly better economy and much lower maint cost than with twins. DP sterndrive provides good manuverabilty as well. Butch "bowgus" wrote in message oups.com... 1) Should I go with dual 4.3 L (205 HP) mercruiser or a single 7,4 L (454 HP) and what's the pros and cons of having 2 engines instead of one ? I can't make my mind about the fuel overall cost. For what it's worth, I've heard from owners their dual prop (e.g. bravo 3, volvo) gives improved efficiency/performance/tracking over a single prop ... or ... almost as good as having twin engines. So I'd test drive a dual prop. Plus there's a lot less to maintain/go wrong ... about 1/2 as much :-) |
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1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
I had a regal 242 cruser with a 350 and went to a wellcraft 3000 martinique with twin 350 this year and I can control this one better it close quarters than the smaller boat ever could and having 2 motors is so cool |
1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
"Chad" wrote in message news:iAwzg.110876$1i1.85950@attbi_s72... I had a regal 242 cruser with a 350 and went to a wellcraft 3000 martinique with twin 350 this year and I can control this one better it close quarters than the smaller boat ever could and having 2 motors is so cool The Martinique is built like a tank., or at least they were in the mid to late 1990's. We would have purchased their 32 foot model when we were looking for boats that size if not for the small aft cabin on the boat. And yes, having twin outdrives is very nice. The best is twin screws though. but you have to give up the aft cabin. ;-) |
1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message . .. "Chad" wrote in message news:iAwzg.110876$1i1.85950@attbi_s72... I had a regal 242 cruser with a 350 and went to a wellcraft 3000 martinique with twin 350 this year and I can control this one better it close quarters than the smaller boat ever could and having 2 motors is so cool The Martinique is built like a tank., or at least they were in the mid to late 1990's. We would have purchased their 32 foot model when we were looking for boats that size if not for the small aft cabin on the boat. And yes, having twin outdrives is very nice. The best is twin screws though. but you have to give up the aft cabin. ;-) my wellcraft is a 2000 and the aft cabbin is big enough to sleep 3 |
1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
"Chad" wrote in message news:LSwzg.66713$FQ1.39800@attbi_s71... " JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message . .. "Chad" wrote in message news:iAwzg.110876$1i1.85950@attbi_s72... I had a regal 242 cruser with a 350 and went to a wellcraft 3000 martinique with twin 350 this year and I can control this one better it close quarters than the smaller boat ever could and having 2 motors is so cool The Martinique is built like a tank., or at least they were in the mid to late 1990's. We would have purchased their 32 foot model when we were looking for boats that size if not for the small aft cabin on the boat. And yes, having twin outdrives is very nice. The best is twin screws though. but you have to give up the aft cabin. ;-) my wellcraft is a 2000 and the aft cabbin is big enough to sleep 3 I am talking queen size comfort for 2 adults and the 32 foot Martinique had nothing close to that...perhaps a double bed mattress size at best. I guess the aft cabins on their smaller boats are bigger and offer far more room. ;-) |
1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
Hi Chad,
My question to you is : "How much more fuel does the dual 350 engines cost compared to your single 350 in Regal for the same speed and ride ?" I know that the baby is more weight, but just to help me figure out. Thanks, Guy JimH wrote: "Chad" wrote in message news:iAwzg.110876$1i1.85950@attbi_s72... I had a regal 242 cruser with a 350 and went to a wellcraft 3000 martinique with twin 350 this year and I can control this one better it close quarters than the smaller boat ever could and having 2 motors is so cool The Martinique is built like a tank., or at least they were in the mid to late 1990's. We would have purchased their 32 foot model when we were looking for boats that size if not for the small aft cabin on the boat. And yes, having twin outdrives is very nice. The best is twin screws though. but you have to give up the aft cabin. ;-) |
1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
Hey Butch,
Could you translate those "VP" and "DP Sterndrive" which are unfortunately chinese to me but look like relevant advise ? Thanks, Guy Butch Davis wrote: Single 8.1, if available or 7.4 if not, with VP or Merc dual prop. Sufficient performance with vastly better economy and much lower maint cost than with twins. DP sterndrive provides good manuverabilty as well. Butch "bowgus" wrote in message oups.com... 1) Should I go with dual 4.3 L (205 HP) mercruiser or a single 7,4 L (454 HP) and what's the pros and cons of having 2 engines instead of one ? I can't make my mind about the fuel overall cost. For what it's worth, I've heard from owners their dual prop (e.g. bravo 3, volvo) gives improved efficiency/performance/tracking over a single prop ... or ... almost as good as having twin engines. So I'd test drive a dual prop. Plus there's a lot less to maintain/go wrong ... about 1/2 as much :-) |
1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
Guy,
VP=Volvo Penta DP=Duo Prop or Dual Prop Sorry, Butch "pailleg" wrote in message ups.com... Hey Butch, Could you translate those "VP" and "DP Sterndrive" which are unfortunately chinese to me but look like relevant advise ? Thanks, Guy Butch Davis wrote: Single 8.1, if available or 7.4 if not, with VP or Merc dual prop. Sufficient performance with vastly better economy and much lower maint cost than with twins. DP sterndrive provides good manuverabilty as well. Butch "bowgus" wrote in message oups.com... 1) Should I go with dual 4.3 L (205 HP) mercruiser or a single 7,4 L (454 HP) and what's the pros and cons of having 2 engines instead of one ? I can't make my mind about the fuel overall cost. For what it's worth, I've heard from owners their dual prop (e.g. bravo 3, volvo) gives improved efficiency/performance/tracking over a single prop ... or ... almost as good as having twin engines. So I'd test drive a dual prop. Plus there's a lot less to maintain/go wrong ... about 1/2 as much :-) |
1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:14:04 -0400, JimH penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Exactly how is the quality of the interior and hardware of a Bayliner? Or are you just bashing the brand because of it's once deserved poor reputation that Bayliner shed in the 1990's. Really? Care to explain how they build their hulls and what makes them inferior? They still are. Brunswick also owns Sea Ray, Hatteras, Baja, Lund and Boston Whaler, as well as several others. With your logic one would conclude also that a Bayliner is really a Sea Ray in wolf's disguise, just as a Lund is really the same boat as a Boston Whaler. A Bayliner is an adequate boat for it's intended purchase price and usage. As for quality.......... Let's let the owners explain it: http://www.jdpower.com/boats/ratings/index.asp?v1=3 http://www.jdpower.com/boats/ratings/index.asp?v1=2 http://www.jdpower.com/boats/ratings/index.asp?v1=7 http://www.jdpower.com/boats/ratings/index.asp?v1=4 -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats You would have thought that Bayliner could have bought some better ratings; especially in the value for the money category. Jim |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:14:04 -0400, JimH penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Century Coronado wrote: More importantly, a better brand will give you a much better ride, as Bayliners and Maxum's are not known for being solid/rigid hulls. Really? Care to explain how they build their hulls and what makes them inferior? A Bayliner is an adequate boat for it's intended purchase price and usage. As for quality.......... Let's let the owners explain it: http://www.jdpower.com/boats/ratings/index.asp?v1=3 http://www.jdpower.com/boats/ratings/index.asp?v1=2 http://www.jdpower.com/boats/ratings/index.asp?v1=7 http://www.jdpower.com/boats/ratings/index.asp?v1=4 -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats JD Power? LOL! As I said from the start the newer Bayliners are indeed decent boats. I never suggested they are anything close to off shore/open ocean water boats though. I am still waiting for Patrick to explain how the hulls on Bayliners and Maxums are inferior and how Chris Craft is far superior to either of those brands. ;-) |
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"Jim" wrote in message ink.net... "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:14:04 -0400, JimH penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Exactly how is the quality of the interior and hardware of a Bayliner? Or are you just bashing the brand because of it's once deserved poor reputation that Bayliner shed in the 1990's. Really? Care to explain how they build their hulls and what makes them inferior? They still are. Brunswick also owns Sea Ray, Hatteras, Baja, Lund and Boston Whaler, as well as several others. With your logic one would conclude also that a Bayliner is really a Sea Ray in wolf's disguise, just as a Lund is really the same boat as a Boston Whaler. A Bayliner is an adequate boat for it's intended purchase price and usage. As for quality.......... Let's let the owners explain it: http://www.jdpower.com/boats/ratings/index.asp?v1=3 http://www.jdpower.com/boats/ratings/index.asp?v1=2 http://www.jdpower.com/boats/ratings/index.asp?v1=7 http://www.jdpower.com/boats/ratings/index.asp?v1=4 -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats You would have thought that Bayliner could have bought some better ratings; especially in the value for the money category. Jim It looks like the folks at SeaRay made a generous donation to the JD Power group. ;-) |
1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
JimH wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:14:04 -0400, JimH penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Century Coronado wrote: More importantly, a better brand will give you a much better ride, as Bayliners and Maxum's are not known for being solid/rigid hulls. Really? Care to explain how they build their hulls and what makes them inferior? A Bayliner is an adequate boat for it's intended purchase price and usage. As for quality.......... Let's let the owners explain it: http://www.jdpower.com/boats/ratings/index.asp?v1=3 http://www.jdpower.com/boats/ratings/index.asp?v1=2 http://www.jdpower.com/boats/ratings/index.asp?v1=7 http://www.jdpower.com/boats/ratings/index.asp?v1=4 -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats JD Power? LOL! As I said from the start the newer Bayliners are indeed decent boats. I never suggested they are anything close to off shore/open ocean water boats though. I am still waiting for Patrick to explain how the hulls on Bayliners and Maxums are inferior and how Chris Craft is far superior to either of those brands. ;-) If you look over the JD Powers results, they pretty much stack up the way I would have expected. I would not have expected SeaRay and Rinker to be considered among the best, I would have expected them to be about average, and I would have expected Bayliner to be "about average", but overall it looked about right. |
1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
JIM,
In regards to your comment to me where you stated... "Sorry Patrick but it is obvious that you are giving advice when you really don't know what you are talking about." My reply is, as follows... Keep in mind, that the original poster was asking about single or twin screw power options, but when he questioned ride quality, I thought it appropriate to comment on boat quality, design and construction as these are huge factors in ride quality and if you don't realize that I would say ditto to your comment above. I am also surmising from your comments that you are either a Bayliner or a Maxum owner, which would explain your defensiveness of the brands. Beyond that, I was not planning on writing a novel about boat hull construction and I never claimed to be an master boat builder. I was simply trying to give the original poster some advice from my well over 30 years of boating experience. As far as my expertise...I've lived on a lake since I was born and I now own my own home on a lake, so I've been around boats ever since I can remember. I took a DNR boating class at age 14 and got certified which allowed me to drive a boat solo at 14, rather than waiting until I was 16. When I was 15, I started working at a marine dealer and worked there for several years, eventually moving from selling waterskis and equipment to selling Supra Inboard Ski Boats and working at boat shows. I used to work with the Manufacturers reps where I learned a lot about boat construction. I bought my first boat when I was 16, a 1970 Slickcraft (Pre-AMF), that had a rotten transom, which also gave me my first expensive lesson in boat construction and I've owned several boats since then. I am 38 years old and I currently own 2 boats, right now...a 1999 Malibu V-Drive and a Classic 1986 Century Coronado Cardel. Yes I realize Brunswick is a conglomerate that owns many brands of varying performance and quality just as I realize that Daimler owns Chrysler, Ford owns (Jaguar, Volvo, Range Rover), GM owns Saab and at least 25% of Toyota. Obviously, there are differences in the brands. I also realize that today's Bayliners are much better than the cookie cutter "Bayslimers" of the 80's, but the early Maxum's were popped from the same mold in Burgandy gelcoat as oppossed to the Blue Bayliners. Today, Maxum, like Bayliner has improved it's quality and likewise almost every boat manufacturer has improved its quality and performance with the advancement of better technology and materials, like resins, kevlar, etc. Likewise an 06 Chevy or Toyota is vastly improved over its 80's predecessors. As far as hull, there are several differences in resins and polymers. There are differences in gelcoat thicknesses. There are also different thicknesses and qualities of fiberglass matt (Woven roven/Biaxial) and different methods of laying it up. They may also lay more layers of biaxial matt or coremat for greater rigidity of the hull. While most mfr's may claim "hand laid hulls," more limited production boats spend more time and labor rolling each layer of matt ensuring less voids which means better adhesion (delamination) or less water penetration (blistering). This is why some boats may only build several hundred boats per year vs. thousands of boats per year. Go bang your hand on the side of a Cobalt and then on a Bayliner and tell me there is no difference. The Cobalt is thicker and more structurally rigid. As far as interior, there are several different grades of vinyls, flooring and hardware and there are several different methods of installing hardware and windshields. This explains why, after several years of pounding why some interiors rattle loose and vibrate and why some don't. The moral of the story is that there are different brands and qualities of boats and, like most things in life, you get what you pay for. I realize not everyone can or even will buy a Lexus Automobile or a Cobalt Boat, but in the boating market there are a lot of options, especially in the used market. Every boat I've owned has been used and purchased in immaculate condition. I maintain them in the same manner with the intention of keeping them, long term. Resale on a better brand boat is a huge factor to consider because people like me will pay a premium for a mid to high-line boat that we know has a lot of performance and quality built into it that will last for years. For me, I can see, sense and feel quality in a boat. If you can't, I would suggest taking a ride in a Cobalt and then hop in a Bayliner and explain to me that there is no difference in construction and quality. JimH wrote: "Century Coronado Cardel" wrote in message oups.com... Ride - A quick FYI, unless a boat is totally underpowered, your engine has little to do with your ride quality, so aside from the power issue, you should really ask yourself whether you've been "truly" happy with your Bayliner quality in terms of its ride/hull as well as the quality of the interior and hardware (windshield, etc). Exactly how is the quality of the interior and hardware of a Bayliner? Or are you just bashing the brand because of it's once deserved poor reputation that Bayliner shed in the 1990's. More importantly, a better brand will give you a much better ride, as Bayliners and Maxum's are not known for being solid/rigid hulls. Really? Care to explain how they build their hulls and what makes them inferior? Beyond that, I am almost positive that a Maxum is really a Bayliner in wolf's diguise. They are, or were, at that time owned by the same conglomerate. They still are. Brunswick also owns Sea Ray, Hatteras, Baja, Lund and Boston Whaler, as well as several others. With your logic one would conclude also that a Bayliner is really a Sea Ray in wolf's disguise, just as a Lund is really the same boat as a Boston Whaler. What I'm saying is that if you're gonna upgrade boats, you should upgrade brands. If you can swing it, look for a better brand like a Regal or Chaparell. Those brands won't break the bank like a Chris-Craft, Formula or a Cobalt, but they are solid mid-line boats and you won't regret it on the resale end either. How is a Chris-Craft a better built boat than a comparable Maxum? Sorry Patrick but it is obvious that you are giving advice when you really don't know what you are talking about. |
1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
JIM,
In regards to your comment to me where you stated... "Sorry Patrick but it is obvious that you are giving advice when you really don't know what you are talking about." My reply is, as follows... Keep in mind, that the original poster was asking about single or twin screw power options, but when he questioned ride quality, I thought it appropriate to comment on boat quality, design and construction as these are huge factors in ride quality and if you don't realize that I would say ditto to your comment above. I am also surmising from your comments that you are either a Bayliner or a Maxum owner, which would explain your defensiveness of the brands. Beyond that, I was not planning on writing a novel about boat hull construction and I never claimed to be an master boat builder. I was simply trying to give the original poster some advice from my well over 30 years of boating experience. As far as my expertise...I've lived on a lake since I was born and I now own my own home on a lake, so I've been around boats ever since I can remember. I took a DNR boating class at age 14 and got certified which allowed me to drive a boat solo at 14, rather than waiting until I was 16. When I was 15, I started working at a marine dealer and worked there for several years, eventually moving from selling waterskis and equipment to selling Supra Inboard Ski Boats and working at boat shows. I used to work with the Manufacturers reps where I learned a lot about boat construction. I bought my first boat when I was 16, a 1970 Slickcraft (Pre-AMF), that had a rotten transom, which also gave me my first expensive lesson in boat construction and I've owned several boats since then. I am 38 years old and I currently own 2 boats, right now...a 1999 Malibu V-Drive and a Classic 1986 Century Coronado Cardel. Yes I realize Brunswick is a conglomerate that owns many brands of varying performance and quality just as I realize that Daimler owns Chrysler, Ford owns (Jaguar, Volvo, Range Rover), GM owns Saab and at least 25% of Toyota. Obviously, there are differences in the brands. I also realize that today's Bayliners are much better than the cookie cutter "Bayslimers" of the 80's, but the early Maxum's were popped from the same mold in Burgandy gelcoat as oppossed to the Blue Bayliners. Today, Maxum, like Bayliner has improved it's quality and likewise almost every boat manufacturer has improved its quality and performance with the advancement of better technology and materials, like resins, kevlar, etc. Likewise an 06 Chevy or Toyota is vastly improved over its 80's predecessors. As far as hull, there are several differences in resins and polymers. There are differences in gelcoat thicknesses. There are also different thicknesses and qualities of fiberglass matt (Woven roven/Biaxial) and different methods of laying it up. They may also lay more layers of biaxial matt or coremat for greater rigidity of the hull. While most mfr's may claim "hand laid hulls," more limited production boats spend more time and labor rolling each layer of matt ensuring less voids which means better adhesion (delamination) or less water penetration (blistering). This is why some boats may only build several hundred boats per year vs. thousands of boats per year. Go bang your hand on the side of a Cobalt and then on a Bayliner and tell me there is no difference. The Cobalt is thicker and more structurally rigid. As far as interior, there are several different grades of vinyls, flooring and hardware and there are several different methods of installing hardware and windshields. This explains why, after several years of pounding why some interiors rattle loose and vibrate and why some don't. The moral of the story is that there are different brands and qualities of boats and, like most things in life, you get what you pay for. I realize not everyone can or even will buy a Lexus Automobile or a Cobalt Boat, but in the boating market there are a lot of options, especially in the used market. Every boat I've owned has been used and purchased in immaculate condition. I maintain them in the same manner with the intention of keeping them, long term. Resale on a better brand boat is a huge factor to consider because people like me will pay a premium for a mid to high-line boat that we know has a lot of performance and quality built into it that will last for years. For me, I can see, sense and feel quality in a boat. If you can't, I would suggest taking a ride in a Cobalt and then hop in a Bayliner and explain to me that there is no difference in construction and quality. pailleg wrote: Hi, I'm planning to step from my 1992 Bayliner 2655 to a Maxum 1993 270 SCR. I want to get more power, since my current Bayliner got only a merc. 5.0 L (305 HP) and find some rides a little tuff. 1) Should I go with dual 4.3 L (205 HP) mercruiser or a single 7,4 L (454 HP) and what's the pros and cons of having 2 engines instead of one ? I can't make my mind about the fuel overall cost. 2) What about my upgrade choice, since I want more room, a better finishing and a smoother ride ? Thanks for your so appreciated advice. Guy |
1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
"Century Coronado Cardel" wrote in message oups.com... JIM, In regards to your comment to me where you stated... "Sorry Patrick but it is obvious that you are giving advice when you really don't know what you are talking about." My reply is, as follows... Keep in mind, that the original poster was asking about single or twin screw power options, but when he questioned ride quality, I thought it appropriate to comment on boat quality, design and construction as these are huge factors in ride quality and if you don't realize that I would say ditto to your comment above. You should have stopped after answering the single/double screw I am also surmising from your comments that you are either a Bayliner or a Maxum owner, which would explain your defensiveness of the brands. I have owned a Searay, Chris Craft, and a Maxum. I now own a Glastron. I have been on older and new Bayliners, docked next to them at various marinas, spoken with the owners and been through their boats and read reviews on the newer ones by respected surveyors. I have also read comments from owners of Bayliners on boating forums, all of which have been positive. Other than actually owning one I believe I have some experience with the quality of Bayliner boats. I am not defensive of any brand of boat. But when someone spews lies about a particular brand based solely on that brands poor past reputation I jump in to set the record straight. Beyond that, I was not planning on writing a novel about boat hull construction and I never claimed to be an master boat builder. I was simply trying to give the original poster some advice from my well over 30 years of boating experience. No, you made specific comments about the poor hull quality of both Bayliner and Maxum boats. I asked you to explain to me how they are constructed and what makes them inferior and all I get is a novel about yout life on a Lake.. As far as my expertise...I've lived on a lake since I was born and I now own my own home on a lake, so I've been around boats ever since I can remember. I took a DNR boating class at age 14 and got certified which allowed me to drive a boat solo at 14, rather than waiting until I was 16. When I was 15, I started working at a marine dealer and worked there for several years, eventually moving from selling waterskis and equipment to selling Supra Inboard Ski Boats and working at boat shows. I used to work with the Manufacturers reps where I learned a lot about boat construction. I bought my first boat when I was 16, a 1970 Slickcraft (Pre-AMF), that had a rotten transom, which also gave me my first expensive lesson in boat construction and I've owned several boats since then. I am 38 years old and I currently own 2 boats, right now...a 1999 Malibu V-Drive and a Classic 1986 Century Coronado Cardel. Yes I realize Brunswick is a conglomerate that owns many brands of varying performance and quality ................. Not according to your original post. .......just as I realize that Daimler owns Chrysler, Ford owns (Jaguar, Volvo, Range Rover), GM owns Saab and at least 25% of Toyota. Obviously, there are differences in the brands. I also realize that today's Bayliners are much better than the cookie cutter "Bayslimers" of the 80's, but the early Maxum's were popped from the same mold in Burgandy gelcoat as oppossed to the Blue Bayliners. snip Bzzzzzzzzt. Wrong. Go directly to jail and do not collect $200 if you pass Go. I stand by my original statement Patrick. You don't know what you are talking about. |
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Century Coronado Cardel wrote: I am 38 years old and I currently own 2 boats, right now...a 1999 Malibu V-Drive and a Classic 1986 Century Coronado Cardel. '86 is now "classic"? wow. i will say my 83 ChrisCraft scorpion is a tough little boat, it was well taken care of when I got it last year, and it's always on the trailer when not in use. I mean, I don't park it in a slip to sit most of the summer. But that boat is SOLID! and even though it needs some wax, the gelcoat is still in great shape. I've had three boats in my live, a 14 ft Jon boat which doesn't count. a '64 Chris Craft Cavalier (wood) and this Scorpion. I'm not saying there's not other quality brands out there, but If I get another boat, it will probably be another Chris. BUT! Anyhow. I always looked at multiple engines was there is two of everything. Two engines, two outdrives, double the consumption, and could be twice the head aches. YMMV |
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"Century Coronado Cardel" wrote in message oups.com... "GM owns Saab and at least 25% of Toyota. " Are you sure about the 25% Toyota ownership. I know they have a joint venture in California, and a shared R&D deal, but I don't think GM owns any part of Toyota. With SAAB you are dead-on, and it has proved to be a disaster. |
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"John Wentworth" wrote in message . .. "Century Coronado Cardel" wrote in message oups.com... "GM owns Saab and at least 25% of Toyota. " Are you sure about the 25% Toyota ownership. I know they have a joint venture in California, and a shared R&D deal, but I don't think GM owns any part of Toyota. With SAAB you are dead-on, and it has proved to be a disaster. I believe GM has an interest in Isuzu. The Duromax diesel is an Isuzu design. Eisboch |
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:44:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"John Wentworth" wrote in message ... "Century Coronado Cardel" wrote in message oups.com... "GM owns Saab and at least 25% of Toyota. " Are you sure about the 25% Toyota ownership. I know they have a joint venture in California, and a shared R&D deal, but I don't think GM owns any part of Toyota. With SAAB you are dead-on, and it has proved to be a disaster. I believe GM has an interest in Isuzu. The Duromax diesel is an Isuzu design. Eisboch Speaking of which, the service manager at my GMC place, when I asked about the GMC diesel pickup, advised me not to get one because the Isuzu engine was a piece of crap, -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:44:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "John Wentworth" wrote in message m... "Century Coronado Cardel" wrote in message oups.com... "GM owns Saab and at least 25% of Toyota. " Are you sure about the 25% Toyota ownership. I know they have a joint venture in California, and a shared R&D deal, but I don't think GM owns any part of Toyota. With SAAB you are dead-on, and it has proved to be a disaster. I believe GM has an interest in Isuzu. The Duromax diesel is an Isuzu design. Eisboch Speaking of which, the service manager at my GMC place, when I asked about the GMC diesel pickup, advised me not to get one because the Isuzu engine was a piece of crap, -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John Speaking as the owner of a Chevy diesel pickup, my engine has been great. With my slide in truck camper, over 8200 miles of alaska travel I averaged 15 mpg with a high of 16.9 mpg at 55 mph and about 13.5 doing 75 returning on I-5. Izuz is the largest manufacturer of diesels in the world. |
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On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:56:30 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:44:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "John Wentworth" wrote in message om... "Century Coronado Cardel" wrote in message oups.com... "GM owns Saab and at least 25% of Toyota. " Are you sure about the 25% Toyota ownership. I know they have a joint venture in California, and a shared R&D deal, but I don't think GM owns any part of Toyota. With SAAB you are dead-on, and it has proved to be a disaster. I believe GM has an interest in Isuzu. The Duromax diesel is an Isuzu design. Eisboch Speaking of which, the service manager at my GMC place, when I asked about the GMC diesel pickup, advised me not to get one because the Isuzu engine was a piece of crap, -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John Speaking as the owner of a Chevy diesel pickup, my engine has been great. With my slide in truck camper, over 8200 miles of alaska travel I averaged 15 mpg with a high of 16.9 mpg at 55 mph and about 13.5 doing 75 returning on I-5. Izuz is the largest manufacturer of diesels in the world. I wonder if you've been quite lucky or if Ronnie was BS'ing me? Or, maybe they've gotten a lot better. I'll admit that his comment was made several years ago. It just stuck! -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... I wonder if you've been quite lucky or if Ronnie was BS'ing me? Or, maybe they've gotten a lot better. I'll admit that his comment was made several years ago. It just stuck! From the research I have done, and people I know that have them, the Duramax is an excellent engine . Eisboch |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:56:30 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:44:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "John Wentworth" wrote in message news:laydnbkYK_s3rETZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast. com... "Century Coronado Cardel" wrote in message oups.com... "GM owns Saab and at least 25% of Toyota. " Are you sure about the 25% Toyota ownership. I know they have a joint venture in California, and a shared R&D deal, but I don't think GM owns any part of Toyota. With SAAB you are dead-on, and it has proved to be a disaster. I believe GM has an interest in Isuzu. The Duromax diesel is an Isuzu design. Eisboch Speaking of which, the service manager at my GMC place, when I asked about the GMC diesel pickup, advised me not to get one because the Isuzu engine was a piece of crap, -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John Speaking as the owner of a Chevy diesel pickup, my engine has been great. With my slide in truck camper, over 8200 miles of alaska travel I averaged 15 mpg with a high of 16.9 mpg at 55 mph and about 13.5 doing 75 returning on I-5. Izuz is the largest manufacturer of diesels in the world. I wonder if you've been quite lucky or if Ronnie was BS'ing me? Or, maybe they've gotten a lot better. I'll admit that his comment was made several years ago. It just stuck! -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John Mine is a 2004, and I have 42k miles on it. There was a problem several years ago with either a gasket or headbolts, do not remember which. Buddy has a 2004 and he towed his 27' 5th wheel and has maybe 25 miles and no problems. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:56:30 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:44:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "John Wentworth" wrote in message news:laydnbkYK_s3rETZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast .com... "Century Coronado Cardel" wrote in message oups.com... "GM owns Saab and at least 25% of Toyota. " Are you sure about the 25% Toyota ownership. I know they have a joint venture in California, and a shared R&D deal, but I don't think GM owns any part of Toyota. With SAAB you are dead-on, and it has proved to be a disaster. I believe GM has an interest in Isuzu. The Duromax diesel is an Isuzu design. Eisboch Speaking of which, the service manager at my GMC place, when I asked about the GMC diesel pickup, advised me not to get one because the Isuzu engine was a piece of crap, -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John Speaking as the owner of a Chevy diesel pickup, my engine has been great. With my slide in truck camper, over 8200 miles of alaska travel I averaged 15 mpg with a high of 16.9 mpg at 55 mph and about 13.5 doing 75 returning on I-5. Izuz is the largest manufacturer of diesels in the world. I wonder if you've been quite lucky or if Ronnie was BS'ing me? Or, maybe they've gotten a lot better. I'll admit that his comment was made several years ago. It just stuck! -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John Mine is a 2004, and I have 42k miles on it. There was a problem several years ago with either a gasket or headbolts, do not remember which. Buddy has a 2004 and he towed his 27' 5th wheel and has maybe 25 miles and no problems. The problems were prior to the 2004 year. |
1 or 2 engines ... this is the question !
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "John Wentworth" wrote in message . .. "Century Coronado Cardel" wrote in message oups.com... "GM owns Saab and at least 25% of Toyota. " Are you sure about the 25% Toyota ownership. I know they have a joint venture in California, and a shared R&D deal, but I don't think GM owns any part of Toyota. With SAAB you are dead-on, and it has proved to be a disaster. I believe GM has an interest in Isuzu. The Duromax diesel is an Isuzu design. Eisboch I think they have 50% ownership. the Chevy Luv P/U was an Izuzu. |
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