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Now that we have a dock for our boat we don't trailer it anymore except to
tuck it away at the end of the season or when we want to bring it with us on
vacations.

We will be bringing the boat with us on the trailer to Put-In-Bay/South Bass
Island on Saturday for a weeks vacation on the Island, and may be launching
it from the public boat ramp when we need it rather than docking it for the
week.

I have heard folks talk about a product called Liquid Rollers (12 oz.
aerosol, $12 retail) that is sprayed on the bunk carpeting to make them
slick, resulting in an easy loading of the boat.

Has anyone used this product? If so, what is your opinion of it?

TIA!!

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JimH wrote:
Now that we have a dock for our boat we don't trailer it anymore except to
tuck it away at the end of the season or when we want to bring it with us on
vacations.

We will be bringing the boat with us on the trailer to Put-In-Bay/South Bass
Island on Saturday for a weeks vacation on the Island, and may be launching
it from the public boat ramp when we need it rather than docking it for the
week.

I have heard folks talk about a product called Liquid Rollers (12 oz.
aerosol, $12 retail) that is sprayed on the bunk carpeting to make them
slick, resulting in an easy loading of the boat.

Has anyone used this product? If so, what is your opinion of it?

TIA!!



I just had a custom combo roller/bunk trailer made for my sailboat.
The guy who builds them recommended liquid dish soap to butter up the
bunks for easy sliding.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
Now that we have a dock for our boat we don't trailer it anymore except
to tuck it away at the end of the season or when we want to bring it with
us on vacations.

We will be bringing the boat with us on the trailer to Put-In-Bay/South
Bass Island on Saturday for a weeks vacation on the Island, and may be
launching it from the public boat ramp when we need it rather than
docking it for the week.

I have heard folks talk about a product called Liquid Rollers (12 oz.
aerosol, $12 retail) that is sprayed on the bunk carpeting to make them
slick, resulting in an easy loading of the boat.

Has anyone used this product? If so, what is your opinion of it?

TIA!!

I just had a custom combo roller/bunk trailer made for my sailboat.
The guy who builds them recommended liquid dish soap to butter up the
bunks for easy sliding.

Thanks Don. That sounds like a reasonable (and cheaper) solution. ;-)

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If you REALLY want to make your boat slide out there, replace your
black rubber keel rollers with those translucent yellow-tinted rollers.
Be sure and grease the roller axles while you're at it, too.

Your boat will roll off the trailer like somebody was towing it off. In
fact, you need to be careful, because when you're backing down a steep
ramp with these, a MUCH greater proportion of the boat's weight is
pulling on your winch cable/strap, to the point that it might break,
with your boat rolling off onto the concrete.

It can also make it harder to get your boat out of the water, because
when you drive it up onto the trailer, it wants to just roll right back
out the instant you turn off the engine.

Ron M.

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" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message news:Iudvg. Now
that we have a dock for our boat we don't trailer it anymore except

I just had a custom combo roller/bunk trailer made for my sailboat.
The guy who builds them recommended liquid dish soap to butter up the
bunks for easy sliding.

Thanks Don. That sounds like a reasonable (and cheaper) solution. ;-)


And it keeps the launch area waters squeaky clean, to boot.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message news:Iudvg. Now
that we have a dock for our boat we don't trailer it anymore except

I just had a custom combo roller/bunk trailer made for my sailboat.
The guy who builds them recommended liquid dish soap to butter up the
bunks for easy sliding.

Thanks Don. That sounds like a reasonable (and cheaper) solution. ;-)


And it keeps the launch area waters squeaky clean, to boot.

Eisboch


The problem now is deciding on Dawn, Palmolive, Ivory or Cascade.
Decisions, decisions............. :-)

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JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message news:Iudvg. Now
that we have a dock for our boat we don't trailer it anymore except

I just had a custom combo roller/bunk trailer made for my sailboat.
The guy who builds them recommended liquid dish soap to butter up the
bunks for easy sliding.

Thanks Don. That sounds like a reasonable (and cheaper) solution. ;-)


And it keeps the launch area waters squeaky clean, to boot.

Eisboch



The problem now is deciding on Dawn, Palmolive, Ivory or Cascade.
Decisions, decisions............. :-)


Too bad they don't make 'Joy' anymore.

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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:03:44 +0000, Don White wrote:


Too bad they don't make 'Joy' anymore.

Hmm, they still make it down here. Don't know if it's the same
formulation and if it still works in sal****er though.

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JimH wrote:
Now that we have a dock for our boat we don't trailer it anymore except to
tuck it away at the end of the season or when we want to bring it with us on
vacations.

We will be bringing the boat with us on the trailer to Put-In-Bay/South Bass
Island on Saturday for a weeks vacation on the Island, and may be launching
it from the public boat ramp when we need it rather than docking it for the
week.

You can trailer a boat to South Bass Island?

I have heard folks talk about a product called Liquid Rollers (12 oz.
aerosol, $12 retail) that is sprayed on the bunk carpeting to make them
slick, resulting in an easy loading of the boat.

WD-40 works well, and is probably the same stuff, as is Reel Magic.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

WD-40 works well, and is probably the same stuff......

They're made by two different companies, one is petroleum based and the
other is silicon based.

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Jokerman wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

WD-40 works well, and is probably the same stuff......

They're made by two different companies, one is petroleum based and the
other is silicon based.

Odd, both my can of WD-40 and Blakemore's Reel Magic both say "contains
petroleum distillates", and they smell exactly the same. I'll have to
look into that!

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" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
. ..
Now that we have a dock for our boat we don't trailer it anymore except to
tuck it away at the end of the season or when we want to bring it with us
on vacations.

We will be bringing the boat with us on the trailer to Put-In-Bay/South
Bass Island on Saturday for a weeks vacation on the Island, and may be
launching it from the public boat ramp when we need it rather than docking
it for the week.

I have heard folks talk about a product called Liquid Rollers (12 oz.
aerosol, $12 retail) that is sprayed on the bunk carpeting to make them
slick, resulting in an easy loading of the boat.

Has anyone used this product? If so, what is your opinion of it?

TIA!!


Not wanting my trailer to be a bubbly mess once in the water I went to
Boaters World today and spent a whopping $12 on a can of Liquid Rollers. I
also purchased a new set of bearing protectors (same as bearing buddies) to
make sure the trip to Port Clinton (ferry to South Bass Island/Put In Bay)
was without a road side incident of bearing failure. I had previously
checked the bearings and they were fine.

We pick up the boat tomorrow from the marina and trailer it back home so I
can make some last minute out of the water improvements/maintenance to it
and give it a good wash and wax.

We leave Saturday morning for a Saturday-Sunday stay on the Island. This
weekend is Christmas in July and we will be driving our golf carts into town
to watch what can best be described as "Sodom & Gomorrah". We otherwise
stay away from downtown that weekend. The boat stays on the trailer at our
cabin and does not go in the water until the drunks leave on Sunday evening.
I don't know if I will be docking it or grabbing a mooring buoy in the Bay.

We will be using the boat for tubing, wake boarding and Island hopping.

Our home for the week is a 3 bedroom air conditioned log cabin near the
Island's airport. My son and his 3 friends are camping at the South Bass
Island State Park. My daughter will be with us on and off with her friends.
Thank goodness the cabin has 2 full bathrooms!

We used to spend weekends or full weeks on the Island when we had bigger
boats. The last time we spent a week on the Island we spent it on our 32
footer (since sold) at the Crews Nest Marina. http://www.thecrewsnest.com/
.. Spending the week in a cottage will be a bit of a change for us, but we
will obviously have more room. ;-)

Some nice photos of the Island at http://www.putinbayphotos.com/

In case you cannot tell, we are pretty excited about this vacation,
especially considering the stuff we went through during my stay at home
vacation the week of July 4th. ;-)

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--
******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

John

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JimH wrote:

In case you cannot tell, we are pretty excited


Would the 'we' be both of your personalities?

-- Charlie

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Charlie wrote:
JimH wrote:

In case you cannot tell, we are pretty excited


Would the 'we' be both of your personalities?

-- Charlie

Yes Charlie. And that includes my boat loving/boater personality *and*
my personality that does not tolerate non boat owning folks (I was easy
on you Charlie) like you who come to this NG only to flame and stir the
pot.

Now stay with me for a second Charlie while I watch you swirl around in
my crapper and go down the drain to the sewage plant.

Just for you Charlie............http://tinyurl.com/on8c2

See 'ya! ;-)

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basskisser writes:

Odd, both my can of WD-40 and Blakemore's Reel Magic both say "contains
petroleum distillates", and they smell exactly the same.

Which is to say, kerosene in a spray can. Ten cents for the kerosene,
$2.90 for the packaging.

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"Richard J Kinch" wrote in message
. ..
basskisser writes:

Odd, both my can of WD-40 and Blakemore's Reel Magic both say "contains
petroleum distillates", and they smell exactly the same.

Which is to say, kerosene in a spray can. Ten cents for the kerosene,
$2.90 for the packaging.

Liquid Rollers...............It turns out to be a can of silicone with some
pretty nasty propellants and solvents.

http://www.koiauto.com/msds/crc/MSDSCRCPDFS/66810.PDF

Lesson learned. ;-)

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JimH wrote:
"Richard J Kinch" wrote in message
. ..

basskisser writes:


Odd, both my can of WD-40 and Blakemore's Reel Magic both say "contains
petroleum distillates", and they smell exactly the same.

Which is to say, kerosene in a spray can. Ten cents for the kerosene,
$2.90 for the packaging.


Liquid Rollers...............It turns out to be a can of silicone with some
pretty nasty propellants and solvents.

http://www.koiauto.com/msds/crc/MSDSCRCPDFS/66810.PDF

Lesson learned. ;-)



Yup...do it the cheap 'down east' way. Liquid dish soap... that's what
I'll use.

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JimH wrote:

Yes Charlie. And that includes my boat loving/boater personality *and*
my personality that does not tolerate non boat owning folks


I knew you had at least two.

Try loosening your underwear. It's strapped on too tight.

-- Charlie

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I use silicone spray about twice a year. Works fine. A can lasts about
three or four doses (I use it for other stuff too). The soap idea is probably
fine for a one-weekend-wonder.

I do try to put the silicone spray on a dry bunk, no salt water.


" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message . ..
Now that we have a dock for our boat we don't trailer it anymore except to tuck it away at the end of the season or when we want
to bring it with us on vacations.

We will be bringing the boat with us on the trailer to Put-In-Bay/South Bass Island on Saturday for a weeks vacation on the
Island, and may be launching it from the public boat ramp when we need it rather than docking it for the week.

I have heard folks talk about a product called Liquid Rollers (12 oz. aerosol, $12 retail) that is sprayed on the bunk carpeting
to make them slick, resulting in an easy loading of the boat.

Has anyone used this product? If so, what is your opinion of it?

TIA!!

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JimH wrote:
Charlie wrote:
JimH wrote:

In case you cannot tell, we are pretty excited


Would the 'we' be both of your personalities?

-- Charlie

Yes Charlie. And that includes my boat loving/boater personality *and*
my personality that does not tolerate non boat owning folks (I was easy
on you Charlie) like you who come to this NG only to flame and stir the
pot.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!!!

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Richard J Kinch wrote:
basskisser writes:

Odd, both my can of WD-40 and Blakemore's Reel Magic both say "contains
petroleum distillates", and they smell exactly the same.

Which is to say, kerosene in a spray can. Ten cents for the kerosene,
$2.90 for the packaging.

Nope.

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JimH wrote:
"
Some nice photos of the Island at http://www.putinbayphotos.com/

In case you cannot tell, we are pretty excited about this vacation,
especially considering the stuff we went through during my stay at home
vacation the week of July 4th. ;-)

Sounds like a marvelous plan. I hope all does go well this time around.

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JimH writes:

Liquid Rollers...............It turns out to be a can of silicone with
some pretty nasty propellants and solvents.

Most so-called "silicone" sprays are just a few drops of actual silicone in
a bulk of mineral spirits.

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Richard J Kinch wrote:
JimH writes:

Liquid Rollers...............It turns out to be a can of silicone with
some pretty nasty propellants and solvents.

Most so-called "silicone" sprays are just a few drops of actual silicone in
a bulk of mineral spirits.

No more true than your statement that WD-40 is Kerosene. See he
http://www.wd40.com/Brands/wd40_faqs.html

Which in part states:

What does WD-40 contain?
While the ingredients in WD-40 are secret, we can tell you what WD-40
does NOT contain. WD-40 does not contain silicone, kerosene, water,
wax, graphite, chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), or any known cancer-causing
agents.

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basskisser writes:

Most so-called "silicone" sprays are just a few drops of actual
silicone in a bulk of mineral spirits.

No more true than your statement that WD-40 is Kerosene.

Quite true.

WD-40 and kerosene are both light petroleum distillates. Now WD-40 is
has less impurities and certain additives (like perfume), but the base
stock is the same. It is not literally kersosene for certain stricter
senses of the word, so WD-40 as a marketing statement can deny the
practical equivalence.

It's kind of like saying lighter fluid is not simple petroleum naphtha.
They are the same thing, or not, depending on whether you mean in
physical terms or marketing presentation. Or mineral spirits vs paint
thinner. Not quite identical twins, but close brothers in the petroleum
chemistry.

If you want to prove how much silicone is in your "silicone" spray, just
try evaporating the petroleum carrier out of a sample. You'll get
nothing but a thin silicone oil film left after the petroleum
evaporates.

Are you also gullible enough to assume Liquid Wrench is something
besides a nickel's worth of kerosene in a $3 can?

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Richard J Kinch wrote:
basskisser writes:

Most so-called "silicone" sprays are just a few drops of actual
silicone in a bulk of mineral spirits.

No more true than your statement that WD-40 is Kerosene.

Quite true.

WD-40 and kerosene are both light petroleum distillates. Now WD-40 is
has less impurities and certain additives (like perfume), but the base
stock is the same. It is not literally kersosene for certain stricter
senses of the word, so WD-40 as a marketing statement can deny the
practical equivalence.

Cite? Seeing how the formulation is a secret....I'd like to see
evidence that you have.

It's kind of like saying lighter fluid is not simple petroleum naphtha.
They are the same thing, or not, depending on whether you mean in
physical terms or marketing presentation. Or mineral spirits vs paint
thinner. Not quite identical twins, but close brothers in the petroleum
chemistry.

If you want to prove how much silicone is in your "silicone" spray, just
try evaporating the petroleum carrier out of a sample. You'll get
nothing but a thin silicone oil film left after the petroleum
evaporates.

That's all it takes.

Are you also gullible enough to assume Liquid Wrench is something
besides a nickel's worth of kerosene in a $3 can?

Where did Liquid Wrench get into the conversation??? But, because you
asked, LW is a PETROLEUM MID-DISTILLATE, ALIPHATIC PETROLEUM NAPHTHA

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basskisser writes:

Cite? Seeing how the formulation is a secret....I'd like to see
evidence that you have.

It is elementary to anyone with knowledge of petroleum chemistry.

Are you also gullible enough to assume Liquid Wrench is something
besides a nickel's worth of kerosene in a $3 can?

Where did Liquid Wrench get into the conversation??? But, because you
asked, LW is a PETROLEUM MID-DISTILLATE, ALIPHATIC PETROLEUM NAPHTHA

Which is another way to say, "kerosene."

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Richard J Kinch wrote:
basskisser writes:

Cite? Seeing how the formulation is a secret....I'd like to see
evidence that you have.

It is elementary to anyone with knowledge of petroleum chemistry.

Are you also gullible enough to assume Liquid Wrench is something
besides a nickel's worth of kerosene in a $3 can?

Where did Liquid Wrench get into the conversation??? But, because you
asked, LW is a PETROLEUM MID-DISTILLATE, ALIPHATIC PETROLEUM NAPHTHA

Which is another way to say, "kerosene."

Nope, wrong again, so I guess that you don't have that elementary
knowledge of petroleum chemistry, eh? Now, try again. Post any
information you have that concludes that WD-40 contains ro is made from
kerosene.

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basskisser wrote:

Richard J Kinch wrote:

basskisser writes:


Most so-called "silicone" sprays are just a few drops of actual
silicone in a bulk of mineral spirits.

No more true than your statement that WD-40 is Kerosene.

Quite true.

WD-40 and kerosene are both light petroleum distillates. Now WD-40 is
has less impurities and certain additives (like perfume), but the base
stock is the same. It is not literally kersosene for certain stricter
senses of the word, so WD-40 as a marketing statement can deny the
practical equivalence.


Cite? Seeing how the formulation is a secret....I'd like to see
evidence that you have.

Another $5000 challenge coming soon to a boating group near you.

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WD means Water Displacer and 40 was for the 40th attempt to get the
formula to perform and pass under military tests.


basskisser wrote:
Richard J Kinch wrote:
JimH writes:

Liquid Rollers...............It turns out to be a can of silicone with
some pretty nasty propellants and solvents.

Most so-called "silicone" sprays are just a few drops of actual silicone in
a bulk of mineral spirits.

No more true than your statement that WD-40 is Kerosene. See he
http://www.wd40.com/Brands/wd40_faqs.html

Which in part states:

What does WD-40 contain?
While the ingredients in WD-40 are secret, we can tell you what WD-40
does NOT contain. WD-40 does not contain silicone, kerosene, water,
wax, graphite, chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), or any known cancer-causing
agents.

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basskisser writes:

Post any
information you have that concludes that WD-40 contains ro is made from
kerosene.

http://www.wd40.com/Brands/pdfs/msds-wd40_bulk.us.pdf

Aliphatic Petroleum Distillates
Petroleum Base Oil
LVP Hydrocarbon Fluid

All fancy terms for varieties of kerosene.

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Richard J Kinch wrote:
basskisser writes:

Post any
information you have that concludes that WD-40 contains ro is made from
kerosene.

http://www.wd40.com/Brands/pdfs/msds-wd40_bulk.us.pdf

Aliphatic Petroleum Distillates
Petroleum Base Oil
LVP Hydrocarbon Fluid

All fancy terms for varieties of kerosene.

So, I asked more than once for some evidence that WD-40 contains
KEROSENE. You've not given any. You lose.

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Jeff Burke wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:55:24 -0500, Richard J Kinch wrote:
basskisser writes:

Post any
information you have that concludes that WD-40 contains ro is made from
kerosene.

http://www.wd40.com/Brands/pdfs/msds-wd40_bulk.us.pdf

Aliphatic Petroleum Distillates
Petroleum Base Oil
LVP Hydrocarbon Fluid

All fancy terms for varieties of kerosene.

From their FAQ page:
http://www.wd40.com/Brands/wd40_faqs.html

What does WD-40 contain?
While the ingredients in WD-40 are secret, we can tell you what WD-40 does NOT contain. WD-40 does not contain silicone, kerosene, water, wax, graphite, chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), or any known cancer-causing agents.

Yeah, I tried to steer Richard to that page, but I guess he didn't read
it.

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basskisser writes:

Aliphatic Petroleum Distillates
Petroleum Base Oil
LVP Hydrocarbon Fluid

All fancy terms for varieties of kerosene.

So, I asked more than once for some evidence that WD-40 contains
KEROSENE.

I gave you the evidence above. That's what those ingredients are. The
fact that you are ignorant of the complex terminology used in the petroleum
industry does not constitute error on my part.

Go to a decent library and look up "petroleum" in the Kirk-Othmer
Encyclopedia of Chemical Technology.

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Richard J Kinch wrote:
basskisser writes:

Aliphatic Petroleum Distillates
Petroleum Base Oil
LVP Hydrocarbon Fluid

All fancy terms for varieties of kerosene.

So, I asked more than once for some evidence that WD-40 contains
KEROSENE.

I gave you the evidence above. That's what those ingredients are. The
fact that you are ignorant of the complex terminology used in the petroleum
industry does not constitute error on my part.

You are dead wrong. You've not shown one iota of evidence that your
claims are correct. Not ONE.

Aliphatic Petro Distillates is not necessarily Kerosene, it could be
any number of things, from White Spirits, to Mineral Spirits to
Stoddard Solvent to Synthetic Paraffinic Hydrocarbons.

Petroleum Base Oil is not Kerosene. Any number of Petro Distillates
contain Petro Base Oil, but the term doesn't even come close to being
Kerosene.

LVP Hydrocarbon Fluid is not Kerosene. Low Vapor Pressure Hydrocarbon
fluid? Come on, now, I'll bet even you realize that that isn't even
close to Kerosene....

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basskisser writes:

You are dead wrong.

Me and Kirk-Othmer, troll.

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Richard J Kinch wrote:
basskisser writes:

You are dead wrong.

Me and Kirk-Othmer, troll.

Losing the argument, so you resort to petty and childish name calling.
Should have seen it coming. Now, you ARE wrong. Any of the examples
that you've given can not possibly conclude that WD-40 is kerosene.
Nothing. Have you even read what you've posted here?

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basskisser writes:

Any of the examples
that you've given can not possibly conclude that WD-40 is kerosene.

No. You seem to naively conclude that because the manufacturer (who
wishes to evoke a certain "secret formula" marketing image) employs
other terms than "kerosene" for a petroleum distillate, that the product
cannot not fall under the general meaning of "kerosene". Your earlier
error in capitalizing "kerosene" further implies that you have some
unscientific notion of just what kerosene is, mistakenly thinking that
it is some particular chemical compound with a brand name.

This sort of analysis requires some knowledge of organic chemistry,
which you apparently don't have, and which I am not going to teach you,
although I gave a reference to the material. You don't know what an
"aliphatic petroleum distillate" is, and therefore you don't know that
it means kerosene. You keep saying I haven't shown this, and you use
nothing but bald denials, which makes you a troll, that is, someone who
repeats nay-nay without engaging in a knowledgeable debate of the
technical questions. And if "kerosene" isn't a proper description, then
what type of petroleum distillate are you claiming is the right one,
because the MSDS list of ingredients points to nothing but kerosene-like
refinery products? Hmmm?

Look, WD-40 is a petroleum distillate. Just that, a blend of ordinary
hydrocarbon stuff found in any refinery, nothing secret or special or
proprietary. It has a weight (density) and boiling point. That weight
happens to correspond to the petroleum distillate generally called
kerosene, versus lighter fractions like naphtha or heavier fractions
like heating oil or machine oil. Now the CAS numbers and nomenclature
in the MSDS don't say "kerosene", because "kerosene" is a broad term
that doesn't have commercial specificity or a particular feedstock or
process connection, but mostly because the WD-40 people don't want you
to know you're paying $$$/gallon for something cheap, close to diesel
fuel, that they have refined and perfumed to not *smell* like kerosene.

The chemical industry loves to make various technical terms for the same
thing, to confuse the consumer. When it comes to petroleum products
this is facilitated by the fact that the same stuff comes out of widely
different industrial processes.

There are lots of examples of WD-40 type marketing of cheap petroleum
distillates. Three-in-1 oil is just cheap mineral oil with a certain
camphor-like perfume. Liquid Wrench is just kerosene, as is Kingsford
charcoal lighter fluid and Tiki torch lamp fuel and (with a pinch of
insecticide that doesn't work) Ortho wasp killer. Why does Home Depot
stock a half dozen brands and containers of stuff that is all the same?
Because people will pay a premium for a package that is application-
specific instead of generically descriptive, since they don't have to
think about it.

It's like you're denying your cup of espresso is nothing more than
coffee. Yes, it smells better and all, and there are a lot of cheaper
ways to buy coffee, and it is better to some tastes, but really, coffee
is all that went into it.

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Richard J Kinch wrote:
basskisser writes:

Any of the examples
that you've given can not possibly conclude that WD-40 is kerosene.

No. You seem to naively conclude that because the manufacturer (who
wishes to evoke a certain "secret formula" marketing image) employs
other terms than "kerosene" for a petroleum distillate, that the product
cannot not fall under the general meaning of "kerosene". Your earlier
error in capitalizing "kerosene" further implies that you have some
unscientific notion of just what kerosene is, mistakenly thinking that
it is some particular chemical compound with a brand name.

This sort of analysis requires some knowledge of organic chemistry,
which you apparently don't have, and which I am not going to teach you,
although I gave a reference to the material. You don't know what an
"aliphatic petroleum distillate" is, and therefore you don't know that
it means kerosene. You keep saying I haven't shown this, and you use
nothing but bald denials, which makes you a troll, that is, someone who
repeats nay-nay without engaging in a knowledgeable debate of the
technical questions. And if "kerosene" isn't a proper description, then
what type of petroleum distillate are you claiming is the right one,
because the MSDS list of ingredients points to nothing but kerosene-like
refinery products? Hmmm?

Easy, Stoddard Solvent and Synthetic Paraffinic Hydrocarbons, not even
very closely related to kerosene.

Look, WD-40 is a petroleum distillate. Just that, a blend of ordinary
hydrocarbon stuff found in any refinery, nothing secret or special or
proprietary. It has a weight (density) and boiling point. That weight
happens to correspond to the petroleum distillate generally called
kerosene, versus lighter fractions like naphtha or heavier fractions
like heating oil or machine oil. Now the CAS numbers and nomenclature
in the MSDS don't say "kerosene", because "kerosene" is a broad term
that doesn't have commercial specificity or a particular feedstock or
process connection, but mostly because the WD-40 people don't want you
to know you're paying $$$/gallon for something cheap, close to diesel
fuel, that they have refined and perfumed to not *smell* like kerosene.

You've not given one iota of evidence that you know, or even have some
written evidence of what exactly is in WD-40, period. You are
speculating, and that isn't the mark of a scientist. If one was to take
everything you've said here lock, stock and barrel, they'd have to come
to the conclusion that you think that everything that is derived from
crude oil is exactly the same. That's not even remotely true.

The chemical industry loves to make various technical terms for the same
thing, to confuse the consumer. When it comes to petroleum products
this is facilitated by the fact that the same stuff comes out of widely
different industrial processes.


It's like you're denying your cup of espresso is nothing more than
coffee. Yes, it smells better and all, and there are a lot of cheaper
ways to buy coffee, and it is better to some tastes, but really, coffee
is all that went into it.

So you are again trying to say that anything derived from hydrocarbons
is exactly the same.