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WD means Water Displacer and 40 was for the 40th attempt to get the
formula to perform and pass under military tests.


basskisser wrote:
Richard J Kinch wrote:
JimH writes:

Liquid Rollers...............It turns out to be a can of silicone with
some pretty nasty propellants and solvents.

Most so-called "silicone" sprays are just a few drops of actual silicone in
a bulk of mineral spirits.

No more true than your statement that WD-40 is Kerosene. See he
http://www.wd40.com/Brands/wd40_faqs.html

Which in part states:

What does WD-40 contain?
While the ingredients in WD-40 are secret, we can tell you what WD-40
does NOT contain. WD-40 does not contain silicone, kerosene, water,
wax, graphite, chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), or any known cancer-causing
agents.

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basskisser writes:

Post any
information you have that concludes that WD-40 contains ro is made from
kerosene.

http://www.wd40.com/Brands/pdfs/msds-wd40_bulk.us.pdf

Aliphatic Petroleum Distillates
Petroleum Base Oil
LVP Hydrocarbon Fluid

All fancy terms for varieties of kerosene.

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Richard J Kinch wrote:
basskisser writes:

Post any
information you have that concludes that WD-40 contains ro is made from
kerosene.

http://www.wd40.com/Brands/pdfs/msds-wd40_bulk.us.pdf

Aliphatic Petroleum Distillates
Petroleum Base Oil
LVP Hydrocarbon Fluid

All fancy terms for varieties of kerosene.

So, I asked more than once for some evidence that WD-40 contains
KEROSENE. You've not given any. You lose.

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Jeff Burke wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:55:24 -0500, Richard J Kinch wrote:
basskisser writes:

Post any
information you have that concludes that WD-40 contains ro is made from
kerosene.

http://www.wd40.com/Brands/pdfs/msds-wd40_bulk.us.pdf

Aliphatic Petroleum Distillates
Petroleum Base Oil
LVP Hydrocarbon Fluid

All fancy terms for varieties of kerosene.

From their FAQ page:
http://www.wd40.com/Brands/wd40_faqs.html

What does WD-40 contain?
While the ingredients in WD-40 are secret, we can tell you what WD-40 does NOT contain. WD-40 does not contain silicone, kerosene, water, wax, graphite, chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), or any known cancer-causing agents.

Yeah, I tried to steer Richard to that page, but I guess he didn't read
it.

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basskisser writes:

Aliphatic Petroleum Distillates
Petroleum Base Oil
LVP Hydrocarbon Fluid

All fancy terms for varieties of kerosene.

So, I asked more than once for some evidence that WD-40 contains
KEROSENE.

I gave you the evidence above. That's what those ingredients are. The
fact that you are ignorant of the complex terminology used in the petroleum
industry does not constitute error on my part.

Go to a decent library and look up "petroleum" in the Kirk-Othmer
Encyclopedia of Chemical Technology.

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Richard J Kinch wrote:
basskisser writes:

Aliphatic Petroleum Distillates
Petroleum Base Oil
LVP Hydrocarbon Fluid

All fancy terms for varieties of kerosene.

So, I asked more than once for some evidence that WD-40 contains
KEROSENE.

I gave you the evidence above. That's what those ingredients are. The
fact that you are ignorant of the complex terminology used in the petroleum
industry does not constitute error on my part.

You are dead wrong. You've not shown one iota of evidence that your
claims are correct. Not ONE.

Aliphatic Petro Distillates is not necessarily Kerosene, it could be
any number of things, from White Spirits, to Mineral Spirits to
Stoddard Solvent to Synthetic Paraffinic Hydrocarbons.

Petroleum Base Oil is not Kerosene. Any number of Petro Distillates
contain Petro Base Oil, but the term doesn't even come close to being
Kerosene.

LVP Hydrocarbon Fluid is not Kerosene. Low Vapor Pressure Hydrocarbon
fluid? Come on, now, I'll bet even you realize that that isn't even
close to Kerosene....

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basskisser writes:

You are dead wrong.

Me and Kirk-Othmer, troll.

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Richard J Kinch wrote:
basskisser writes:

You are dead wrong.

Me and Kirk-Othmer, troll.

Losing the argument, so you resort to petty and childish name calling.
Should have seen it coming. Now, you ARE wrong. Any of the examples
that you've given can not possibly conclude that WD-40 is kerosene.
Nothing. Have you even read what you've posted here?

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basskisser writes:

Any of the examples
that you've given can not possibly conclude that WD-40 is kerosene.

No. You seem to naively conclude that because the manufacturer (who
wishes to evoke a certain "secret formula" marketing image) employs
other terms than "kerosene" for a petroleum distillate, that the product
cannot not fall under the general meaning of "kerosene". Your earlier
error in capitalizing "kerosene" further implies that you have some
unscientific notion of just what kerosene is, mistakenly thinking that
it is some particular chemical compound with a brand name.

This sort of analysis requires some knowledge of organic chemistry,
which you apparently don't have, and which I am not going to teach you,
although I gave a reference to the material. You don't know what an
"aliphatic petroleum distillate" is, and therefore you don't know that
it means kerosene. You keep saying I haven't shown this, and you use
nothing but bald denials, which makes you a troll, that is, someone who
repeats nay-nay without engaging in a knowledgeable debate of the
technical questions. And if "kerosene" isn't a proper description, then
what type of petroleum distillate are you claiming is the right one,
because the MSDS list of ingredients points to nothing but kerosene-like
refinery products? Hmmm?

Look, WD-40 is a petroleum distillate. Just that, a blend of ordinary
hydrocarbon stuff found in any refinery, nothing secret or special or
proprietary. It has a weight (density) and boiling point. That weight
happens to correspond to the petroleum distillate generally called
kerosene, versus lighter fractions like naphtha or heavier fractions
like heating oil or machine oil. Now the CAS numbers and nomenclature
in the MSDS don't say "kerosene", because "kerosene" is a broad term
that doesn't have commercial specificity or a particular feedstock or
process connection, but mostly because the WD-40 people don't want you
to know you're paying $$$/gallon for something cheap, close to diesel
fuel, that they have refined and perfumed to not *smell* like kerosene.

The chemical industry loves to make various technical terms for the same
thing, to confuse the consumer. When it comes to petroleum products
this is facilitated by the fact that the same stuff comes out of widely
different industrial processes.

There are lots of examples of WD-40 type marketing of cheap petroleum
distillates. Three-in-1 oil is just cheap mineral oil with a certain
camphor-like perfume. Liquid Wrench is just kerosene, as is Kingsford
charcoal lighter fluid and Tiki torch lamp fuel and (with a pinch of
insecticide that doesn't work) Ortho wasp killer. Why does Home Depot
stock a half dozen brands and containers of stuff that is all the same?
Because people will pay a premium for a package that is application-
specific instead of generically descriptive, since they don't have to
think about it.

It's like you're denying your cup of espresso is nothing more than
coffee. Yes, it smells better and all, and there are a lot of cheaper
ways to buy coffee, and it is better to some tastes, but really, coffee
is all that went into it.

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Richard J Kinch wrote:
basskisser writes:

Any of the examples
that you've given can not possibly conclude that WD-40 is kerosene.

No. You seem to naively conclude that because the manufacturer (who
wishes to evoke a certain "secret formula" marketing image) employs
other terms than "kerosene" for a petroleum distillate, that the product
cannot not fall under the general meaning of "kerosene". Your earlier
error in capitalizing "kerosene" further implies that you have some
unscientific notion of just what kerosene is, mistakenly thinking that
it is some particular chemical compound with a brand name.

This sort of analysis requires some knowledge of organic chemistry,
which you apparently don't have, and which I am not going to teach you,
although I gave a reference to the material. You don't know what an
"aliphatic petroleum distillate" is, and therefore you don't know that
it means kerosene. You keep saying I haven't shown this, and you use
nothing but bald denials, which makes you a troll, that is, someone who
repeats nay-nay without engaging in a knowledgeable debate of the
technical questions. And if "kerosene" isn't a proper description, then
what type of petroleum distillate are you claiming is the right one,
because the MSDS list of ingredients points to nothing but kerosene-like
refinery products? Hmmm?

Easy, Stoddard Solvent and Synthetic Paraffinic Hydrocarbons, not even
very closely related to kerosene.

Look, WD-40 is a petroleum distillate. Just that, a blend of ordinary
hydrocarbon stuff found in any refinery, nothing secret or special or
proprietary. It has a weight (density) and boiling point. That weight
happens to correspond to the petroleum distillate generally called
kerosene, versus lighter fractions like naphtha or heavier fractions
like heating oil or machine oil. Now the CAS numbers and nomenclature
in the MSDS don't say "kerosene", because "kerosene" is a broad term
that doesn't have commercial specificity or a particular feedstock or
process connection, but mostly because the WD-40 people don't want you
to know you're paying $$$/gallon for something cheap, close to diesel
fuel, that they have refined and perfumed to not *smell* like kerosene.

You've not given one iota of evidence that you know, or even have some
written evidence of what exactly is in WD-40, period. You are
speculating, and that isn't the mark of a scientist. If one was to take
everything you've said here lock, stock and barrel, they'd have to come
to the conclusion that you think that everything that is derived from
crude oil is exactly the same. That's not even remotely true.

The chemical industry loves to make various technical terms for the same
thing, to confuse the consumer. When it comes to petroleum products
this is facilitated by the fact that the same stuff comes out of widely
different industrial processes.


It's like you're denying your cup of espresso is nothing more than
coffee. Yes, it smells better and all, and there are a lot of cheaper
ways to buy coffee, and it is better to some tastes, but really, coffee
is all that went into it.

So you are again trying to say that anything derived from hydrocarbons
is exactly the same.