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Steve Cramer wrote in
: John Fereira wrote: wrote in news:1152736173.691216.253060@ 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: novice wrote: http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3366/00009069xl.jpg http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/865/00009032yh.jpg What is that, 8 feet or so? I figured you would have one of those tiny ww boats. In the context of whitewater boats, 8' is very long. If you look at the first photo it the label on the hull reads "Pursuit 10" so it's likely 10' long. In any case, this is rec.boats.paddle, not rec.boats.paddle.only.boats.longer.than.16feet.all owed John, did you have any particular motivation for that last comment? It was in response to this statement. I figured you would have one of those tiny ww boats. Putting the emphasis on "you" rather than "figured" makes it sound to me that he was disparaging novice (whose choice of handle almost invites elitism) for his choice of kayak, and "tiny ww boats" could have been written without the "tiny" qualifier. If he would have written: "I figured that it was a www boat", I wouldn't have responed. In any case, novice seemed have read the same thing I did in the response given his reaction. Alas, it appears that it was basically a case of unclear phrasing rather than an intential disparaging. I apologize to galt. 'Cause...galt didn't say anything about 8' WW boats, he was giving an eyeball estimate of a boat in a picture. Actually, he did. The "8 feet or so" question combined with "tiny ww boats" implies that 8' is short in the context of ww boats. And his reaction was very reasonable, I thought. You can't always go by the number on the side of boats. Ever seen a QCC 700? Yes, but I'm not sure how long it is. I know of quite a few touring boats with 16, 17, or 18 in the model name but are often a few inches shorter. I don't know of any that are two feet shorter. Of course, a 10' Pursuit doesn't actually quite fit in a 240SX. My WW boat, at 8' (Dagger Redline, imagine) might, though. And yes, the current crop of those critters is in the sub 6' range. |
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John Fereira wrote:
[...] Actually, he did. The "8 feet or so" question combined with "tiny ww boats" implies that 8' is short in the context of ww boats. [...] I didn't see the "10" on the boat. Somehow I thought that was glare. Anyway I thought ww boats went down to 5 feet something, and I doubt they are inexpensive, so I am rather surprised by the perceived slight. Do longer boats attract women or something? Dave |
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OK, I think this is getting perilously close to one of those
Angels-dance-pinhead* things, but what the hell, dinner isn't ready yet... John Fereira wrote: Steve Cramer wrote in : John Fereira wrote: wrote in news:1152736173.691216.253060@ 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: novice wrote: http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3366/00009069xl.jpg http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/865/00009032yh.jpg What is that, 8 feet or so? I figured you would have one of those tiny ww boats. In the context of whitewater boats, 8' is very long. If you look at the first photo it the label on the hull reads "Pursuit 10" so it's likely 10' long. In any case, this is rec.boats.paddle, not rec.boats.paddle.only.boats.longer.than.16feet.all owed John, did you have any particular motivation for that last comment? It was in response to this statement. I figured you would have one of those tiny ww boats. Putting the emphasis on "you" rather than "figured" makes it sound to me that he was disparaging novice (whose choice of handle almost invites elitism) for his choice of kayak, and "tiny ww boats" could have been written without the "tiny" qualifier. And who placed that emphasis? And when has anyone in r.b.p been disparaged for paddling a WW boat of any size? Sorry, you couldn't insult by saying I paddle a WW boat no matter how long it was. If he would have written: "I figured that it was a www boat", I wouldn't have responed. In any case, novice seemed have read the same thing I did in the response given his reaction. www boat? I guess that's an occupational hazard for a network honcho like you ![]() Alas, it appears that it was basically a case of unclear phrasing rather than an intential disparaging. I apologize to galt. 'Cause...galt didn't say anything about 8' WW boats, he was giving an eyeball estimate of a boat in a picture. Actually, he did. The "8 feet or so" question combined with "tiny ww boats" implies that 8' is short in the context of ww boats. It does nothing of the kind. It can as easily be interpreted to mean "I'm surprised you have a boat as long as 8'. Given your sunject line, I was expecting something much shorter, like one of those tiny WW boats." And his reaction was very reasonable, I thought. You can't always go by the number on the side of boats. Ever seen a QCC 700? Yes, but I'm not sure how long it is. I know of quite a few touring boats with 16, 17, or 18 in the model name but are often a few inches shorter. I don't know of any that are two feet shorter. What!? You, maintainer of a database of every kayak know to Man (Person?), demo paddler of hundreds of boats, and you don't know the specs of all those boats by heart? I'm shocked. Shocked! Anyhow, my point was that a QCC 700 is not 700 anything long, the 700 is a model number. Steve -- Steve Cramer Athens, GA *--No, I didn't call anybody a pinhead. |
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Steve Cramer wrote in
: OK, I think this is getting perilously close to one of those Angels-dance-pinhead* things, but what the hell, dinner isn't ready yet... Okay, last post on the matter from me. John Fereira wrote: Steve Cramer wrote in : John Fereira wrote: wrote in news:1152736173.691216.253060@ 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: novice wrote: http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3366/00009069xl.jpg http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/865/00009032yh.jpg What is that, 8 feet or so? I figured you would have one of those tiny ww boats. In the context of whitewater boats, 8' is very long. If you look at the first photo it the label on the hull reads "Pursuit 10" so it's likely 10' long. In any case, this is rec.boats.paddle, not rec.boats.paddle.only.boats.longer.than.16feet.all owed John, did you have any particular motivation for that last comment? It was in response to this statement. I figured you would have one of those tiny ww boats. Putting the emphasis on "you" rather than "figured" makes it sound to me that he was disparaging novice (whose choice of handle almost invites elitism) for his choice of kayak, and "tiny ww boats" could have been written without the "tiny" qualifier. And who placed that emphasis? I did. When I write something on Usenet I'll often put *'s around a word I want to emphasis to assist the readers in determining my meaning. It could of helped here. And when has anyone in r.b.p been disparaged for paddling a WW boat of any size? Sorry, you couldn't insult by saying I paddle a WW boat no matter how long it was. If he would have written: "I figured that it was a www boat", I wouldn't have responed. In any case, novice seemed have read the same thing I did in the response given his reaction. www boat? I guess that's an occupational hazard for a network honcho like you ![]() Or it could be the beer I was drinking (Duvel). Alas, it appears that it was basically a case of unclear phrasing rather than an intential disparaging. I apologize to galt. 'Cause...galt didn't say anything about 8' WW boats, he was giving an eyeball estimate of a boat in a picture. Actually, he did. The "8 feet or so" question combined with "tiny ww boats" implies that 8' is short in the context of ww boats. It does nothing of the kind. It can as easily be interpreted to mean "I'm surprised you have a boat as long as 8'. Given your sunject line, I was expecting something much shorter, like one of those tiny WW boats." I guess we can agree then, that he post as written was open to interpretation. I interpreted based on the context of some novices previous posts and some of the responses (looking for a racing boat, ended up with a 10' long boat). And his reaction was very reasonable, I thought. You can't always go by the number on the side of boats. Ever seen a QCC 700? Yes, but I'm not sure how long it is. I know of quite a few touring boats with 16, 17, or 18 in the model name but are often a few inches shorter. I don't know of any that are two feet shorter. What!? You, maintainer of a database of every kayak know to Man (Person?), To be fair, I haven't updated that datebase in several years. I have used it as a reference application to play with some new technologies that I might use for my real work, but my real work (and my 3 year old) have taken priority. demo paddler of hundreds of boats, I haven't updated my list in a long time but I think it's more like 130 boats. and you don't know the specs of all those boats by heart? I'm shocked. Shocked! We'll, no, but I could probably identify a QCC boat sitting on a roofrack from a block away. Anyhow, my point was that a QCC 700 is not 700 anything long, the 700 is a model number. I see your point. The 500X is actually 2 inches longer than the 600X (okay, I cheated and looked at the web site). |
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![]() John Fereira wrote: Steve Cramer wrote in : John Fereira wrote: wrote in news:1152736173.691216.253060@ 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: novice wrote: http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3366/00009069xl.jpg http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/865/00009032yh.jpg What is that, 8 feet or so? I figured you would have one of those tiny ww boats. In the context of whitewater boats, 8' is very long. If you look at the first photo it the label on the hull reads "Pursuit 10" so it's likely 10' long. In any case, this is rec.boats.paddle, not rec.boats.paddle.only.boats.longer.than.16feet.all owed John, did you have any particular motivation for that last comment? It was in response to this statement. I figured you would have one of those tiny ww boats. Putting the emphasis on "you" rather than "figured" makes it sound to me that he was disparaging novice (whose choice of handle almost invites elitism) for his choice of kayak, and "tiny ww boats" could have been written without the "tiny" qualifier. If he would have written: "I figured that it was a www boat", I wouldn't have responed. In any case, novice seemed have read the same thing I did in the response given his reaction. Alas, it appears that it was basically a case of unclear phrasing rather than an intential disparaging. I apologize to galt. 'Cause...galt didn't say anything about 8' WW boats, he was giving an eyeball estimate of a boat in a picture. Actually, he did. The "8 feet or so" question combined with "tiny ww boats" implies that 8' is short in the context of ww boats. Not in my reading of Galt's initial response, John. My paraphrase of his remark, as I understood his meaning, is this: "wow, that thing is at least 8' long! From your subject line, I expected to see one of those tiny whitewater boats!" I was as surprised as Steve and Galt when I saw how both you and "novice" (who is clearly a novice when it comes to polite discourse) responded. -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters ================================================== ==================== |
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Die! DIE! SIr, I demand an apology!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oci-One Kanubi wrote: John Fereira wrote: Steve Cramer wrote in : John Fereira wrote: wrote in news:1152736173.691216.253060@ 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: novice wrote: http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3366/00009069xl.jpg http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/865/00009032yh.jpg What is that, 8 feet or so? I figured you would have one of those tiny ww boats. In the context of whitewater boats, 8' is very long. If you look at the first photo it the label on the hull reads "Pursuit 10" so it's likely 10' long. In any case, this is rec.boats.paddle, not rec.boats.paddle.only.boats.longer.than.16feet.all owed John, did you have any particular motivation for that last comment? It was in response to this statement. I figured you would have one of those tiny ww boats. Putting the emphasis on "you" rather than "figured" makes it sound to me that he was disparaging novice (whose choice of handle almost invites elitism) for his choice of kayak, and "tiny ww boats" could have been written without the "tiny" qualifier. If he would have written: "I figured that it was a www boat", I wouldn't have responed. In any case, novice seemed have read the same thing I did in the response given his reaction. Alas, it appears that it was basically a case of unclear phrasing rather than an intential disparaging. I apologize to galt. 'Cause...galt didn't say anything about 8' WW boats, he was giving an eyeball estimate of a boat in a picture. Actually, he did. The "8 feet or so" question combined with "tiny ww boats" implies that 8' is short in the context of ww boats. Not in my reading of Galt's initial response, John. My paraphrase of his remark, as I understood his meaning, is this: "wow, that thing is at least 8' long! From your subject line, I expected to see one of those tiny whitewater boats!" I was as surprised as Steve and Galt when I saw how both you and "novice" (who is clearly a novice when it comes to polite discourse) responded. -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters ================================================== ==================== |
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