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A bad day on the boat
" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message . .. " JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message . .. Cut out of work at noon and scrambled to the boat to hook up with friends of ours, meeting them at the mouth of the Vermilion River with both our boats. We arrived first and once safely past the breakwall idled while waiting for them. That trip was perhaps 15 minutes tops. I started to smell something burning and saw puffs of smoke coming out of the engine compartment. I shut down the engine and grabbed a fire extinguisher while my wife threw out the anchor, then opened the engine compartment to see smoke coming off the engine and to hear hissing and popping. Gave it a shot from the ABC dry chemical fire extinguisher thinking there may be a fire. Saw the temperature gauge pegged at 250F. Radioed our friends who towed us back to our marina. The marina mechanic checked to see if there was any foaming or burnt smell with the engine oil (none) or oil in the bilge (none). Sigh, maybe a good sign, or at least I hope so. We ended up leaving the boat with our mechanic and spent the day on our friends boat. After 3 or so hours I got a call from the marina, telling me they checked out the engine (after letting it cool) and judge it to be OK, although the impeller needs replacing. They said I could safely move the boat to my slip if I wanted to until repairs are made. We got back to the marina later today and I took the boat from the gas dock to our slip, with the temperature rising to 220F during that short trip from the gas dock to our slip (5 minutes). The boat also ran very rough during that short trip So.......besides replacing the impellor any other suggestions on what I should ask the marina to do? What is causing the rough engine, especially after having a tune up only 4 engine hours ago? Is there some internal damage I may have done? Single 1997 Volvo Penta 4.3L, Chevy 190 HP. TIA for your answers. BTW: My vacation started this afternoon (one week of it) and this was the last thing I expected to have to deal with. edit Thanks all for the advice and encouragement so far. I will let you know the outcome. |
A BIG Bad Day On The Boat!
The National Park Service and the U.S. Coast Guard are considering
banning overweight people from tour boats in the wake of reports that fatties caused the deadly rollover of a watercraft on New York's Lake George last fall. Bix Butterman, a tourist who witnessed the horrifying incident from shore, said he watched as about a dozen obviously obese adults shuffled to one side of the boat, causing it to list then roll over in the placid lake. "Some of those heavies looked like they weighed 400 pounds," Butterman said. "And they had these big bags of food they carried aboard. Those types should not be allowed near any tour boat. Let 'em stick to all-you-can-eat restaurants!" ===== "Weight of Passengers, Boat Are Cited in Deadly Sinking" Associated Press The Washington Post Saturday, July 1, 2006; A10 Survivors of a deadly tour-boat trip in the Adirondacks last October say heavy people flipped the boat over, according to newly released documents in a case that exposed how America's safety rules have been eclipsed by its expanding waistlines. Investigators quickly focused on weight in the Ethan Allen and how it was distributed, according to documents released yesterday by the National Transportation Safety Board. The 40-foot boat was carrying 47 passengers and its captain when it capsized in calm weather on New York's Lake George on Oct. 2. The accident killed 20 people. The passengers were elderly tourists from Michigan and Ohio on a fall foliage trip. The boat was certified to carry as many as 50 people, but officials said that was based on obsolete passenger weight guidelines. The boat, built in 1964, had also gained weight as it aged, modified with a heavier canopy, larger engine and more ballast. For decades, boat operators assumed the average passenger weighed 140 pounds, based on the Coast Guard's standards for a mix of men, women and children in calm inland waters. The Coast Guard announced in April that it has settled on a single standard of 185 pounds per person. The new weight calculation is voluntary until new rules are created. The boat's captain, Richard Paris, said the boat overturned because it was tipped over by a large wake, which he suggested came from a larger tourist boat on the lake. Passengers did not back that up http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...063001608.html JimH wrote: Cut out of work at noon and scrambled to the boat to hook up with friends of ours, meeting them at the mouth of the Vermilion River with boat our boats. We arrived first and once safely past the breakwall idled while waiting for them. The trip was perhaps 15 minutes tops. I started to smell something burning and saw puffs of smoke coming out of the engine compartment. I shut down the engine and grabbed a fire extinguisher while my wife threw out the anchor, then opened the engine compartment to see smoke coming off the engine and to hear hissing and popping. Gave it a shot from the ABC dry chemical fire extinguisher thinking there may be a fire. Saw the temperature gauge pegged at 250F. Radioed our friends who towed us back to our marina. The marina mechanic checked to see if there was any foaming or burnt smell with the engine oil (none) or oil in the bilge (none). Sigh, maybe a good sign, or at least I hope so. We ended up leaving the boat with our mechanic and spent the day on our friends boat. After 3 or so hours I got a call from the marina, telling me they checked out the engine (after letting it cool) and judge it to be OK, although the impeller needs replacing. They said I could safely move the boat to my slip if I wanted to until repairs are made. We got back to the marina later today and I took the boat from the gas dock to our slip, with the temperature rising to 220F during that short trip from the gas dock to our slip (5 minutes). The boat also ran very rough during that short trip So.......besides replacing the impellor any other suggestions on what I should ask the marina to do? What is causing the rough engine, especially after having a tune up only 4 engine hours ago? Is there some internal damage I may have done? Single 1997 Volvo Penta 4.3L, Chevy 190 HP. TIA for your answers. BTW: My vacation started this afternoon (one week of it) and this was the last thing I expected to have to deal with. |
A BIG Bad Day On The Boat!
MissSouth wrote: The National Park Service and the U.S. Coast Guard are considering banning overweight people from tour boats in the wake of reports that fatties caused the deadly rollover of a watercraft on New York's Lake George last fall. Bix Butterman, a tourist who witnessed the horrifying incident from shore, said he watched as about a dozen obviously obese adults shuffled to one side of the boat, causing it to list then roll over in the placid lake. "Some of those heavies looked like they weighed 400 pounds," Butterman said. "And they had these big bags of food they carried aboard. Those types should not be allowed near any tour boat. Let 'em stick to all-you-can-eat restaurants!" ===== "Weight of Passengers, Boat Are Cited in Deadly Sinking" Associated Press The Washington Post Saturday, July 1, 2006; A10 Survivors of a deadly tour-boat trip in the Adirondacks last October say heavy people flipped the boat over, according to newly released documents in a case that exposed how America's safety rules have been eclipsed by its expanding waistlines. Investigators quickly focused on weight in the Ethan Allen and how it was distributed, according to documents released yesterday by the National Transportation Safety Board. The 40-foot boat was carrying 47 passengers and its captain when it capsized in calm weather on New York's Lake George on Oct. 2. The accident killed 20 people. The passengers were elderly tourists from Michigan and Ohio on a fall foliage trip. The boat was certified to carry as many as 50 people, but officials said that was based on obsolete passenger weight guidelines. The boat, built in 1964, had also gained weight as it aged, modified with a heavier canopy, larger engine and more ballast. For decades, boat operators assumed the average passenger weighed 140 pounds, based on the Coast Guard's standards for a mix of men, women and children in calm inland waters. The Coast Guard announced in April that it has settled on a single standard of 185 pounds per person. The new weight calculation is voluntary until new rules are created. The boat's captain, Richard Paris, said the boat overturned because it was tipped over by a large wake, which he suggested came from a larger tourist boat on the lake. Passengers did not back that up http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...063001608.html Thank you Miss South! Now...back to our regularly scheduled programming... ;-) |
A bad day on the boat
You've GOT to change the impeller every 2nd season REGARDLESS of hours, or
you get what you get. -W " JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message . .. Cut out of work at noon and scrambled to the boat to hook up with friends of ours, meeting them at the mouth of the Vermilion River with boat our boats. We arrived first and once safely past the breakwall idled while waiting for them. The trip was perhaps 15 minutes tops. I started to smell something burning and saw puffs of smoke coming out of the engine compartment. I shut down the engine and grabbed a fire extinguisher while my wife threw out the anchor, then opened the engine compartment to see smoke coming off the engine and to hear hissing and popping. Gave it a shot from the ABC dry chemical fire extinguisher thinking there may be a fire. Saw the temperature gauge pegged at 250F. Radioed our friends who towed us back to our marina. The marina mechanic checked to see if there was any foaming or burnt smell with the engine oil (none) or oil in the bilge (none). Sigh, maybe a good sign, or at least I hope so. We ended up leaving the boat with our mechanic and spent the day on our friends boat. After 3 or so hours I got a call from the marina, telling me they checked out the engine (after letting it cool) and judge it to be OK, although the impeller needs replacing. They said I could safely move the boat to my slip if I wanted to until repairs are made. We got back to the marina later today and I took the boat from the gas dock to our slip, with the temperature rising to 220F during that short trip from the gas dock to our slip (5 minutes). The boat also ran very rough during that short trip So.......besides replacing the impellor any other suggestions on what I should ask the marina to do? What is causing the rough engine, especially after having a tune up only 4 engine hours ago? Is there some internal damage I may have done? Single 1997 Volvo Penta 4.3L, Chevy 190 HP. TIA for your answers. BTW: My vacation started this afternoon (one week of it) and this was the last thing I expected to have to deal with. |
A bad day on the boat
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A bad day on the boat
wrote in message oups.com... Jim, tht doesn't sound good at all. I think you may have burnt valves, a blown head gasket[s], maybe even cracked heads. Sorry for the downtime, man. especially when your vacation is just now starting.. Good Luck! JimH wrote: Cut out of work at noon and scrambled to the boat to hook up with friends of ours, meeting them at the mouth of the Vermilion River with boat our boats. We arrived first and once safely past the breakwall idled while waiting for them. The trip was perhaps 15 minutes tops. I started to smell something burning and saw puffs of smoke coming out of the engine compartment. I shut down the engine and grabbed a fire extinguisher while my wife threw out the anchor, then opened the engine compartment to see smoke coming off the engine and to hear hissing and popping. Gave it a shot from the ABC dry chemical fire extinguisher thinking there may be a fire. Saw the temperature gauge pegged at 250F. Radioed our friends who towed us back to our marina. The marina mechanic checked to see if there was any foaming or burnt smell with the engine oil (none) or oil in the bilge (none). Sigh, maybe a good sign, or at least I hope so. We ended up leaving the boat with our mechanic and spent the day on our friends boat. After 3 or so hours I got a call from the marina, telling me they checked out the engine (after letting it cool) and judge it to be OK, although the impeller needs replacing. They said I could safely move the boat to my slip if I wanted to until repairs are made. We got back to the marina later today and I took the boat from the gas dock to our slip, with the temperature rising to 220F during that short trip from the gas dock to our slip (5 minutes). The boat also ran very rough during that short trip So.......besides replacing the impellor any other suggestions on what I should ask the marina to do? What is causing the rough engine, especially after having a tune up only 4 engine hours ago? Is there some internal damage I may have done? Single 1997 Volvo Penta 4.3L, Chevy 190 HP. TIA for your answers. BTW: My vacation started this afternoon (one week of it) and this was the last thing I expected to have to deal with. As Eisboch pointed out and as was confirmed by our mechanic (and a mechanic friend of ours we saw today) it is probably not that bad if we did not see water in the oil and as the heads are cast iron. The impeller is being replaced on Wednesday and we will see if that does the trick. As a side note: I had asked the marina to change the impeller at the beginning of the season as I did not know when the last time it was changed (we bought the boat last summer). They said they checked it and it looked fine. Something had to have happened between then and last Friday. |
A bad day on the boat
Jim, a blown head gasket isn't necessarily determined by water in the
oil. It could be the "rough running" is because of some fire extinguisher stuff, got in the distributor, but I doubt it. OR the engine was hot enough that it's causing the fuel to pre-detonate. or even vapor lock in the intake manifold. That bad thing is that even if the heads and gaskets are ok, the over heating can still cause the valve seals to get brittle and eventually start leaking oil into the valves, this is usually evident by a puff of blue smoke on initial start up. Hope all works out for you. JimH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Jim, tht doesn't sound good at all. I think you may have burnt valves, a blown head gasket[s], maybe even cracked heads. Sorry for the downtime, man. especially when your vacation is just now starting.. Good Luck! JimH wrote: Cut out of work at noon and scrambled to the boat to hook up with friends of ours, meeting them at the mouth of the Vermilion River with boat our boats. We arrived first and once safely past the breakwall idled while waiting for them. The trip was perhaps 15 minutes tops. I started to smell something burning and saw puffs of smoke coming out of the engine compartment. I shut down the engine and grabbed a fire extinguisher while my wife threw out the anchor, then opened the engine compartment to see smoke coming off the engine and to hear hissing and popping. Gave it a shot from the ABC dry chemical fire extinguisher thinking there may be a fire. Saw the temperature gauge pegged at 250F. Radioed our friends who towed us back to our marina. The marina mechanic checked to see if there was any foaming or burnt smell with the engine oil (none) or oil in the bilge (none). Sigh, maybe a good sign, or at least I hope so. We ended up leaving the boat with our mechanic and spent the day on our friends boat. After 3 or so hours I got a call from the marina, telling me they checked out the engine (after letting it cool) and judge it to be OK, although the impeller needs replacing. They said I could safely move the boat to my slip if I wanted to until repairs are made. We got back to the marina later today and I took the boat from the gas dock to our slip, with the temperature rising to 220F during that short trip from the gas dock to our slip (5 minutes). The boat also ran very rough during that short trip So.......besides replacing the impellor any other suggestions on what I should ask the marina to do? What is causing the rough engine, especially after having a tune up only 4 engine hours ago? Is there some internal damage I may have done? Single 1997 Volvo Penta 4.3L, Chevy 190 HP. TIA for your answers. BTW: My vacation started this afternoon (one week of it) and this was the last thing I expected to have to deal with. As Eisboch pointed out and as was confirmed by our mechanic (and a mechanic friend of ours we saw today) it is probably not that bad if we did not see water in the oil and as the heads are cast iron. The impeller is being replaced on Wednesday and we will see if that does the trick. As a side note: I had asked the marina to change the impeller at the beginning of the season as I did not know when the last time it was changed (we bought the boat last summer). They said they checked it and it looked fine. Something had to have happened between then and last Friday. |
A bad day on the boat
1997 43.L Chevy 350 6 cylinder. Freshwater. Manifolds and risers are
original. Tuned up just weeks ago with only 4.2 hours on the engine following the tune-up. Thermostat was replaced in spring. "jamesgangnc" wrote in message oups.com... It would be good to give us more details on the boat. Age, enigne size. Age of the manifolds and risers. Last major work. Salt water, fresh water, or both? Raw water cooling or heat exchanger? If it ran rough as soon as your started it back up that may be a bad sign. Running rough while actually overheated is not a problem. In either case you have to fix the overheating problem. As lost of other posters have pointed out the manifolds and risers are always the first suspect if they are more than 5 years old. The thermostat could also be a problem. Unfortunately overheating causes other damage. Heads warp. Gaskets start leaking. Rubber exhaust parts melt. Once you fix the overheating if it still runs rough I'd suggest a compression test to rule out major engine damage. wrote: Jim, a blown head gasket isn't necessarily determined by water in the oil. It could be the "rough running" is because of some fire extinguisher stuff, got in the distributor, but I doubt it. OR the engine was hot enough that it's causing the fuel to pre-detonate. or even vapor lock in the intake manifold. That bad thing is that even if the heads and gaskets are ok, the over heating can still cause the valve seals to get brittle and eventually start leaking oil into the valves, this is usually evident by a puff of blue smoke on initial start up. Hope all works out for you. JimH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Jim, tht doesn't sound good at all. I think you may have burnt valves, a blown head gasket[s], maybe even cracked heads. Sorry for the downtime, man. especially when your vacation is just now starting.. Good Luck! JimH wrote: Cut out of work at noon and scrambled to the boat to hook up with friends of ours, meeting them at the mouth of the Vermilion River with boat our boats. We arrived first and once safely past the breakwall idled while waiting for them. The trip was perhaps 15 minutes tops. I started to smell something burning and saw puffs of smoke coming out of the engine compartment. I shut down the engine and grabbed a fire extinguisher while my wife threw out the anchor, then opened the engine compartment to see smoke coming off the engine and to hear hissing and popping. Gave it a shot from the ABC dry chemical fire extinguisher thinking there may be a fire. Saw the temperature gauge pegged at 250F. Radioed our friends who towed us back to our marina. The marina mechanic checked to see if there was any foaming or burnt smell with the engine oil (none) or oil in the bilge (none). Sigh, maybe a good sign, or at least I hope so. We ended up leaving the boat with our mechanic and spent the day on our friends boat. After 3 or so hours I got a call from the marina, telling me they checked out the engine (after letting it cool) and judge it to be OK, although the impeller needs replacing. They said I could safely move the boat to my slip if I wanted to until repairs are made. We got back to the marina later today and I took the boat from the gas dock to our slip, with the temperature rising to 220F during that short trip from the gas dock to our slip (5 minutes). The boat also ran very rough during that short trip So.......besides replacing the impellor any other suggestions on what I should ask the marina to do? What is causing the rough engine, especially after having a tune up only 4 engine hours ago? Is there some internal damage I may have done? Single 1997 Volvo Penta 4.3L, Chevy 190 HP. TIA for your answers. BTW: My vacation started this afternoon (one week of it) and this was the last thing I expected to have to deal with. As Eisboch pointed out and as was confirmed by our mechanic (and a mechanic friend of ours we saw today) it is probably not that bad if we did not see water in the oil and as the heads are cast iron. The impeller is being replaced on Wednesday and we will see if that does the trick. As a side note: I had asked the marina to change the impeller at the beginning of the season as I did not know when the last time it was changed (we bought the boat last summer). They said they checked it and it looked fine. Something had to have happened between then and last Friday. |
A bad day on the boat
"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: 1997 43.L Chevy 350 6 cylinder. Freshwater. Manifolds and risers are original. Tuned up just weeks ago with only 4.2 hours on the engine following the tune-up. Thermostat was replaced in spring. I wonder if your tune-up guys pooched something and didn't tell you. Not likely. More likely a scenario like this: Plastic bag gets sucked up against water intake. Water is restricted or cut off completely. Engine overheats and water pump fries. Engine shuts down or is shut down and plastic bag slips away. After inspecting the water pump, mechanic suggests that the owner ran the engine without water. Owner suggests to mechanic that he should have seen that the water pump was on it's last legs when he inspected it. (Write your own ending to this story) Jim |
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