Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

http://www.bymnews.com/new/content/view/31477/56/

Probably not.

Rob

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

No, "lucky" IMO was a minor factor. The ETECs seem to be a pretty good
motor with better than average reliability. They certainly are strong and
have good HP to weight ratios.

Wish I could afford one.

Butch
"trainfan1" wrote in message
et...
http://www.bymnews.com/new/content/view/31477/56/

Probably not.

Rob

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
nk.net...
No, "lucky" IMO was a minor factor. The ETECs seem to be a pretty good
motor with better than average reliability. They certainly are strong and
have good HP to weight ratios.

They still burn oil. Expensive oil.

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
NOYB wrote:
"Butch Davis" wrote in message
nk.net...
No, "lucky" IMO was a minor factor. The ETECs seem to be a pretty good
motor with better than average reliability. They certainly are strong
and have good HP to weight ratios.

They still burn oil. Expensive oil.





I've moved myself over to "regular" four strokes because of that, because
of the quieter operation of four strokes, and at the moment because of the
fact that I've had no problems with my Yamaha 225.

Why futz around with oil if you don't have to do so?

When I was burning Yamalube, the stores/marinas selling Yamalube were never
open on Saturday/Sunday...and closed before I got off work during the week.
If I was planning an extended trip, and forgot to get my wife to buy the
stuff in advance, I had to pay $30/gallon at West Marine.

I can only imagine how hard it would be to track down the XD-100/200 stuff
for those E-tecs. And then they want $40-50/gallon for it!

I absolutely love my new F250's. Quiet, much better on fuel, and the top
end is 3-5 mph faster than the 2-strokes they're replacing.

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..


That's cool. I'm not that interested in top end, but fuel economy
interests me a great deal. I notice Suzuki now has a 300 hp four stroke,
and my dealer tells me there is a decent chance Yamaha will have one next
year. I see no advantage to using two strokes on boats the size of ours.

Now, a 300 hp diesel outboard...that would be intriguing.


There's an outfit in Australia that could probably whip one up for you.

Eisboch

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:25:03 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Now, a 300 hp diesel outboard...that would be intriguing.

There's a Karen down under that would like to help you out.

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:35:39 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:36:15 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

http://www.bymnews.com/new/content/view/31477/56/

Probably not.

It won't be long until E-TECs rule the outboard world!!

MMMUUUAAAAAWWWAAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!

That's quite a pat on the back for E-TECs. Thanks for the post.
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:35:39 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:36:15 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

http://www.bymnews.com/new/content/view/31477/56/

Probably not.
It won't be long until E-TECs rule the outboard world!!

MMMUUUAAAAAWWWAAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!

That's quite a pat on the back for E-TECs. Thanks for the post.
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************
To satisfy some skeptics, they will need to have a 24 hr slow speed race
in idle.

--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:35:39 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:36:15 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

http://www.bymnews.com/new/content/view/31477/56/

Probably not.

It won't be long until E-TECs rule the outboard world!!

MMMUUUAAAAAWWWAAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!

That's quite a pat on the back for E-TECs. Thanks for the post.


I wonder what the results would be if they had a 100 mile, 4 knot, trolling
for tuna endurance test.
From what I understand, the supposed "failure" mode for the E-Tec was low
speed, lean running operation.

(Just a thought .... just a thought. Don't want to upset my southerly
neighbor.)

Eisboch

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:35:39 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:36:15 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

http://www.bymnews.com/new/content/view/31477/56/

Probably not.
It won't be long until E-TECs rule the outboard world!!

MMMUUUAAAAAWWWAAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!
That's quite a pat on the back for E-TECs. Thanks for the post.


I wonder what the results would be if they had a 100 mile, 4 knot, trolling
for tuna endurance test.
From what I understand, the supposed "failure" mode for the E-Tec was low
speed, lean running operation.

(Just a thought .... just a thought. Don't want to upset my southerly
neighbor.)

Eisboch



GMTA

--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

"trainfan1" wrote in message
et...
http://www.bymnews.com/new/content/view/31477/56/

Probably not.

Rob


I wonder why they ran that news just now. The race and the win was 2 months
ago on May 1 and it was posted right here in rec.boats back then. Even the
"down under queen" Karen commented on it. Nothing complimentary, of course.

Bill Grannis
service manager

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:58:38 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:35:39 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:36:15 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

http://www.bymnews.com/new/content/view/31477/56/

Probably not.

It won't be long until E-TECs rule the outboard world!!

MMMUUUAAAAAWWWAAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!

That's quite a pat on the back for E-TECs. Thanks for the post.


I wonder what the results would be if they had a 100 mile, 4 knot,
trolling
for tuna endurance test.
From what I understand, the supposed "failure" mode for the E-Tec was low
speed, lean running operation.

(Just a thought .... just a thought. Don't want to upset my southerly
neighbor.)

FICHTs had that problem.


That's right. Wasn't paying attention. Own a 4 stroke Yamaha and diesels.

Eisboch

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message



Wouldn't it be a gas to "review" one of Karen Smith's alleged projects?


Oh wow, could you see me doing a feature on that diesel monstrosity for Bass
and Walleye Boats or even Trailer Boats? Wait a minute, Karen's diesel
outboard would be perfect for the last page on any issue of Trailer Boats.
Look at past issues just inside the back cover, it's called "Over the
Transom", many interesting pictures are published there.

Bill Grannis
service manager

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

"Billgran" wrote in message
. ..

"Harry Krause" wrote in message



Wouldn't it be a gas to "review" one of Karen Smith's alleged projects?


Oh wow, could you see me doing a feature on that diesel monstrosity for
Bass and Walleye Boats or even Trailer Boats? Wait a minute, Karen's
diesel outboard would be perfect for the last page on any issue of Trailer
Boats. Look at past issues just inside the back cover, it's called "Over
the Transom", many interesting pictures are published there.

Bill Grannis
service manager


I've got the pic if you need it.

Eisboch

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:29:13 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Billgran" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message



Wouldn't it be a gas to "review" one of Karen Smith's alleged projects?


Oh wow, could you see me doing a feature on that diesel monstrosity for
Bass and Walleye Boats or even Trailer Boats? Wait a minute, Karen's
diesel outboard would be perfect for the last page on any issue of Trailer
Boats. Look at past issues just inside the back cover, it's called "Over
the Transom", many interesting pictures are published there.

Bill Grannis
service manager


I've got the pic if you need it.

Eisboch


Please put it 'over there'. I've not seen it.
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...


Please put it 'over there'. I've not seen it.


I'd rather not publicly post it. As goofy as she is, it would really be a
low blow.

Eisboch

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

http://www.bymnews.com/new/content/view/31477/56/


Ok, How many fuel stops were reduced??

How many extra gallons of fuel did the guy in 2nd place burn?

They really can't make that statement if they don't know, can they :)


Take Care,
James Lerch
http://lerch.no-ip.com/atm (My telescope construction, Testing, and Coating site)
http://lerch.no-ip.com/ChangFa_Gen (My 11.2Kw generator project)
Press on: nothing in the world can take the place of perseverance.
Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.
Calvin Coolidge

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

Harry Krause wrote:
Billgran wrote:

"trainfan1" wrote in message
et...

http://www.bymnews.com/new/content/view/31477/56/

Probably not.

Rob



I wonder why they ran that news just now. The race and the win was 2
months ago on May 1 and it was posted right here in rec.boats back
then. Even the "down under queen" Karen commented on it. Nothing
complimentary, of course.

Bill Grannis
service manager



Wouldn't it be a gas to "review" one of Karen Smith's alleged projects?


I'd think you'd be expelling gas after digesting her load of c*ap!

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:41:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..


Please put it 'over there'. I've not seen it.

I'd rather not publicly post it. As goofy as she is, it would really be a
low blow.


Would you be willing to email it to me? I promise, publicly in front
of God and everybody else, that I won't do anything but look at it and
then delete it.

I've heard about it, I'd really like to see it.

You guys talkin' about Karen's monster Taipan diesel outboard?
I believe there's a boat picture in the newsgroup database.

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:41:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
...


Please put it 'over there'. I've not seen it.

I'd rather not publicly post it. As goofy as she is, it would
really be a low blow.


Would you be willing to email it to me? I promise, publicly in front
of God and everybody else, that I won't do anything but look at it and
then delete it.

I've heard about it, I'd really like to see it.


You guys talkin' about Karen's monster Taipan diesel outboard?
I believe there's a boat picture in the newsgroup database.



That's the duotone model, right? White and Rust? With the beginning
apprentice welding?


That's it. Karen's pride & joy.

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Don White wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:41:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
...


Please put it 'over there'. I've not seen it.

I'd rather not publicly post it. As goofy as she is, it would
really be a low blow.


Would you be willing to email it to me? I promise, publicly in front
of God and everybody else, that I won't do anything but look at it and
then delete it.

I've heard about it, I'd really like to see it.


You guys talkin' about Karen's monster Taipan diesel outboard?
I believe there's a boat picture in the newsgroup database.



That's the duotone model, right? White and Rust? With the beginning
apprentice welding?



That's it. Karen's pride & joy.



My late father taught me some basics of welding, and I informally
apprenticed with a union (night classes) to learn more. About 15 years
ago, I actually passed a journeyman's exam for light construction
welding techniques (rebar and the like), and then in Florida, I talked
one of the local unions there into letting me into some pipe welding
classes. These "future" steamfitters were training for shipbuilding,
nuke plant refurbishing, and for chemical plant lab welding, techniques
that require many years to perfect, and beyond my abilities. But when I
saw the sloppy work on Smith's kitbashed "diesel outboard," I knew she
was a fraud. No journeyman would let a piece of work that looked like
that out of his shop.

Probably like a lot of 'weekend warriors'.
You should see my 2nd floor bathroom right now. I've got plaster and
gyproc mixed together and am trying to skim coat/crack fill to make it
look half decent. Next comes the tiling. 6" tiles on the walls up to
the 3 foot level and 12" tiles on the floor.
The 3 piece tub/shower unit is already in place and working... so after
the tiles comes the toilet & pedestal sink. We're replacing all the
lighting and upgrading the bathroom exhaust fan from a 53 cubic feet per
min. to at least a 90 or a 110. Last will be new cabinet units to
replace a dingy closet with a 2' wide door. Can't wait....sure is
sweaty, dirty work for this time of year.

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:51:13 GMT, Don White
wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:41:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"JohnH" wrote in message
m...



Please put it 'over there'. I've not seen it.

I'd rather not publicly post it. As goofy as she is, it would really be a
low blow.


Would you be willing to email it to me? I promise, publicly in front
of God and everybody else, that I won't do anything but look at it and
then delete it.

I've heard about it, I'd really like to see it.

You guys talkin' about Karen's monster Taipan diesel outboard?
I believe there's a boat picture in the newsgroup database.


Gotta link?

Try this... thanks to Gene who puts it at the bottom of all his posts..
http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/
scroll down to *K. (Karen)* see two pictures

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

You guys talkin' about Karen's monster Taipan diesel outboard?
I believe there's a boat picture in the newsgroup database.

Gotta link?

http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats/

Scroll down the names on the left to K (Karen)

Eisboch

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:37:53 GMT, Don White
wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:51:13 GMT, Don White
wrote:



Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:


On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:41:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:




"JohnH" wrote in message
news:tf46a25fk82d5p2pgd2kg1fb5env7llbdf@4ax. com...




Please put it 'over there'. I've not seen it.

I'd rather not publicly post it. As goofy as she is, it would really be a
low blow.


Would you be willing to email it to me? I promise, publicly in front
of God and everybody else, that I won't do anything but look at it and
then delete it.

I've heard about it, I'd really like to see it.

You guys talkin' about Karen's monster Taipan diesel outboard?
I believe there's a boat picture in the newsgroup database.


Gotta link?

Try this... thanks to Gene who puts it at the bottom of all his posts..
http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/
scroll down to *K. (Karen)* see two pictures


Thanking you very much.

I should put up pics of the Contender and Ranger.

With the E-TECs. :)

Don't forget the Halman 20....that is if you haven't sold it yet.

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:37:53 GMT, Don White
wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:51:13 GMT, Don White
wrote:



Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:


On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:41:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:




"JohnH" wrote in message
news:tf46a25fk82d5p2pgd2kg1fb5env7llbdf@4ax .com...




Please put it 'over there'. I've not seen it.

I'd rather not publicly post it. As goofy as she is, it would really
be a low blow.


Would you be willing to email it to me? I promise, publicly in front
of God and everybody else, that I won't do anything but look at it and
then delete it.

I've heard about it, I'd really like to see it.

You guys talkin' about Karen's monster Taipan diesel outboard?
I believe there's a boat picture in the newsgroup database.


Gotta link?

Try this... thanks to Gene who puts it at the bottom of all his posts..
http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/
scroll down to *K. (Karen)* see two pictures


Thanking you very much.

I should put up pics of the Contender and Ranger.

With the E-TECs. :)

Don't forget the Halman 20....that is if you haven't sold it yet.



I submitted mine today. I later received an email from Lee Yeaton telling
me he is preparing for a week long vacation and will post the pictures at
http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/ when he returns.

Don, why not post a picture of your sailboat and new trailer?

And we do want to see pictures of your Contender and Ranger Tom.

You guys need to hook up with Lee and submit your boat pics.

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:01:28 GMT, NOYB penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

When I was burning Yamalube, the stores/marinas selling Yamalube were
never
open on Saturday/Sunday...and closed before I got off work during the
week.
If I was planning an extended trip, and forgot to get my wife to buy the
stuff in advance, I had to pay $30/gallon at West Marine.

ROFLMAO.... this from a guy that has the consummate preparation for
hurricanes vs. the east coast..... yeah right.... get the old lady to
do it..... you wuss.....

On the Friday's that I was off, I'd buy the stuff. But if I had to work on
a Friday, and we had last-minute plans to make a long trip, I'd occasionally
have to send the wife.

BTW--those east coast folks had about 5 days notice. The day before the
storm, most of the businesses and retailers were closed, but the gas
stations were open ... and nobody was in line buying gas.




Seriously..... when I ran the 2-strokes, I would buy from a bulk can
.... taking my own used bottles to fill up. An expense, but a
manageable one. I'm sold on 4-strokes....

I bought Yamalube "in bulk", and the stuff they sold me was a different
color. The parts counter swears it was the same stuff, but why would they
make it a different color? I never trusted I was buying "the good stuff"
when I bought in bulk. I'd buy a case, and he'd give me 10% off (still
about $19/gallon).





I can only imagine how hard it would be to track down the XD-100/200 stuff
for those E-tecs. And then they want $40-50/gallon for it!

I absolutely love my new F250's. Quiet, much better on fuel, and the top
end is 3-5 mph faster than the 2-strokes they're replacing.


I repeat...... I'm sold on 4-strokes....

Me too. I sold the 25' Whaler to my dad about 1 1/2 years after I repowered
it with a Suzuki 250 four-stroke. I loved the Suzuki, and would have
repowered the Grady with the Suzuki, but I was concerned about resale later
on. Grady's come with Yamaha's, and they have better resale with Yamaha's.

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:46:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Butch Davis" wrote in message
link.net...
No, "lucky" IMO was a minor factor. The ETECs seem to be a pretty good
motor with better than average reliability. They certainly are strong
and
have good HP to weight ratios.

They still burn oil. Expensive oil.

Yes, but over time, it's less expensive than regular oil changes for
four strokes.


100 hours of operation burning 18 gph at 100:1 is 18 gallons of that stuff.
At $32/gallon, that's $576...which is much more than it costs to replace the
four-stroke oil and oil filter. Heck, I can go to the dealer and get the
plugs changed, the lower gear oil changed, the engine oil changed, the oil
filter changed, and all the fittings greased for about $500.

But I suspect that the E-tecs burn a little bit more oil than 100:1...which
means that the cost savings of a four stroke is even better.

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:23:34 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:46:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
nk.net...
No, "lucky" IMO was a minor factor. The ETECs seem to be a pretty
good motor with better than average reliability. They certainly are
strong and have good HP to weight ratios.
They still burn oil. Expensive oil.
Yes, but over time, it's less expensive than regular oil changes for
four strokes.

And my E-TECs don't burn much at all.
How can burning oil in a two stroke be less expensive than replacing
ordinary engine oil in a four stroke?

Amount of oil burned vs amount of oil changed/filter/labor...


I doubt the math would give your etec the advantage.

It doesn't. See my post above.

Lucky Win for Evinrude?
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:51:53 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:29:22 -0400, Harry Krause penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:23:34 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:46:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
nk.net...
No, "lucky" IMO was a minor factor. The ETECs seem to be a pretty
good
motor with better than average reliability. They certainly are
strong and
have good HP to weight ratios.
They still burn oil. Expensive oil.
Yes, but over time, it's less expensive than regular oil changes for
four strokes.

And my E-TECs don't burn much at all.
How can burning oil in a two stroke be less expensive than replacing
ordinary engine oil in a four stroke?

Amount of oil burned vs amount of oil changed/filter/labor...


I doubt the math would give your etec the advantage.

Especially considering the labor is free.....

Maybe for you, but I see a lot of four strokes being serviced in
shops.

100 hour service is $250/motor. Includes: engine oil, lower gear oil, oil
filter, fuel filter, and grease fittings.