No one should argue the point that they're still good to have around. The
problem has become (and your post points this out) that we can no longer
trust them either!!! Just like "Big Business", their main goal has become
themselves and their own agenda.
I deal with many groups on many sides of many issues........ I no longer
trust any group on any side of any issue, to tell me the truth. They will
tell me the truth as they see it or as it suits their agenda.

otn


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Some are still good to have around. Nature Conservancy is my favorite.
Rather than waste time trying to fight developers in court (usually a
losing battle), they go out & buy land out from under them. In a few
instances, they've even set up dummy corporations, posing as developers so
they're allowed into the bidding process for tracts of land. I love it.

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
25.201...
Chuck,
Enviromental groups have long since passed into the same category as
politicians, beauracrats, lawyers, etc.. They are now 90% about
justifying their existence and 10% (I'm being generous) about doing
their job.





" wrote in
ups.com:

In conjunction with additional research into the demands by our local
environmentalists that storm water runoff from our boatyards contain
no more than 3-4 parts per billion copper, I reached the following
conclusion:

If salmon are going to killed by concentrations of copper that exceed
3-4 parts per billion, they don't stand a chance in hell out in the
open ocean.

According to this scientific study:

http://sabella.mba.ac.uk/764/01/The_..._sea-water.pdf

sea water contains about 0.2 parts per *million* (not billion) copper.

Unless my math skills fail me, it looks like pure sea water contains
about 200 parts per billion copper, or about 50 times the
concentration of copper that envrionmentalists think should be allowed
to flow out of the drainpipe from a boat yard.

Those poor, hapless salmon. After clearing the 3-4 ppb allowable
copper content in a boatyard's storn water runoff, they get out to sea
and are immediately forced to deal with 50 times that amount as a
naturally occuring element.