wrote:
Wilko wrote:

Whenever you use throwlines, make sure to carry paramedic's shears or a
sharp knife as well!

Ok but where to buy such a thing?

I'm going to REI this weekend so will get the Gerber shortly river knife as well

I'm not a metallurgist, but I married a metallurgist's daughter, and
I've found out a little about metals (actually, those three facts have
nothing to do with each other).

Anyhow, I've learned that stainless steel does not mean the same as
rustproof, especially if you paddle in salt water. The most rustproof
knives have lots of chromium (the shiny stuff) in the layup, um, alloy.
The sharpest knives have lots of carbon in the alloy.

So, high carbon knives are easy to make sharp, but rust. High chromium
knives are a pain to sharpen, but don't rust as fast. YMMV

1. Pay money. 2. Take choice.

As I think about it, my mother-in-law sometimes does pottery, but I
know nothing at all about ceramic (e.g., Boker) knives.

Steve

wrote:
Wilko wrote:


Whenever you use throwlines, make sure to carry paramedic's shears or a
sharp knife as well!

Ok but where to buy such a thing?


Go to the website that sells police and emergency responders'
equipment: www.galls.com. They are called "bandage shears" and will be
in the section with equipment for EMTs (Emergency Medical Technicians).

Get several pairs; they're only about $5.00 each. In addition to the
advantages Wilko cited, is this: when you are bouncing around in
turbulent water, having just saved yer buddy's life by cutting him free
of an entanglement, you don't have to give a lot of thought (or take
any chances working further with a sharp tool) to how you are going to
stow this thing away. Just drop the &%$%^$ in the river. You've got a
$5.00 replacement in yer boat and another one in yer car.


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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Bill Tuthill wrote:
Oci-One Kanubi wrote:

I cannot really compare. But the current soles are a little more
slippery than I would like. I wear them for the firm sole, since I
paddle kneeling with my toes pointed straight down: the sole (attached
to the high tops lashed around the ankle) supports the weight of the
foot and lower leg, rather than the toes.

The 5.10 stealth rubber soles are better than old Converse soles
for traction on a wide variety of surfaces.

Felt is better on algae-covered rock, vibram is better on dry rock,
but I don't think anything beats stealth rubber for sand-covered surfaces,
both wet and dry. Avoid wearing them at home, because they scuff floors
with black skidmarks. They also wear out fast on pavement.

I'm not a gearhead, but I believe stealth rubber soles are available
on many products. I wear Chaco sandals with 5.10 (dot pattern) soles.

Thanks, Bill. I'll keep an eye out.

I'm heading yer direction next month, but won't get as far west as you
are. We'll be mostly in Northern CO, western WY, and southwestern MT.
Maybe a bit of ID near Yellowstone.


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA
.. rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net
.. Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll
.. rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu
.. OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters
================================================== ====================

"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote:

Get several pairs; they're only about $5.00 each. In addition to the
advantages Wilko cited, is this: when you are bouncing around in
turbulent water, having just saved yer buddy's life by cutting him free
of an entanglement, you don't have to give a lot of thought (or take
any chances working further with a sharp tool) to how you are going to
stow this thing away. Just drop the &%$%^$ in the river. You've got a
$5.00 replacement in yer boat and another one in yer car.

Thanks

Good idea!

Oci-One Kanubi wrote:
Get several pairs; they're only about $5.00 each. In addition to the
advantages Wilko cited, is this: when you are bouncing around in
turbulent water, having just saved yer buddy's life by cutting him free
of an entanglement, you don't have to give a lot of thought (or take
any chances working further with a sharp tool) to how you are going to
stow this thing away. Just drop the &%$%^$ in the river. You've got a
$5.00 replacement in yer boat and another one in yer car.

LOL!!!

There are a lot of things you can say about Richard, but not that he's
not very pragmatic!

:-)

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

By the way.... thanks guys!

You've been a big help!

heading to REI to pick up a few things

I know its not advisable to spend a ton of money on
gear.... but there are a few things I wanted to get
such as clothes and knife and PFD that were decent
quality

wrote in :

Wilko wrote:


Whenever you use throwlines, make sure to carry paramedic's shears or a
sharp knife as well!

Ok but where to buy such a thing?

Google is your friend.

http://www.safetycentral.com/largeemtshears.html

"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in
ups.com:

Bill Tuthill wrote:
Oci-One Kanubi wrote:

I cannot really compare. But the current soles are a little more
slippery than I would like. I wear them for the firm sole, since I
paddle kneeling with my toes pointed straight down: the sole
(attached to the high tops lashed around the ankle) supports the
weight of the foot and lower leg, rather than the toes.

The 5.10 stealth rubber soles are better than old Converse soles
for traction on a wide variety of surfaces.

Felt is better on algae-covered rock, vibram is better on dry rock,
but I don't think anything beats stealth rubber for sand-covered
surfaces, both wet and dry. Avoid wearing them at home, because they
scuff floors with black skidmarks. They also wear out fast on
pavement.

My favorite water shoes are NRS felt soled kickers. I've had them for 6-7
years, have tried other options but like these the best. Since I'm also a
flyfisherman I use them while wading the local streams as well.

Go to the NRS web site (www.nrsweb.com) and enter "felt sole" in the search
box.

Oci-One Kanubi wrote:

I'm heading yer direction next month, but won't get as far west as you
are. We'll be mostly in Northern CO, western WY, and southwestern MT.
Maybe a bit of ID near Yellowstone.

Some of my friends are running the Something Fork of the Flathead in MT,
over July 4th, so perhaps you'll see them!

I don't usually say much about gear, but these 5.10 dot-pattern soles
are pretty amazing for river use. When I wear my regular shoes, it feels
like I'm ready to slip at any time.

The only piece of gear that has impressed me so much is the Thermarest,
and that was 25 years ago.

wrote:
: "Oci-One Kanubi" wrote:

:Get several pairs; they're only about $5.00 each. In addition to the
:advantages Wilko cited, is this: when you are bouncing around in
:turbulent water, having just saved yer buddy's life by cutting him free
:of an entanglement, you don't have to give a lot of thought (or take
:any chances working further with a sharp tool) to how you are going to
:stow this thing away. Just drop the &%$%^$ in the river. You've got a
:$5.00 replacement in yer boat and another one in yer car.

: Thanks

: Good idea!

No... bad idea for the next adult or child who steps on the open, sharp
pair of sheers that you just dropped in the river... If you can't store
it properly than you have no business bringing it. Don't plan on leaving
anything behind... if you lose it you lose it, but never anticipate
something as disposable...

If the trip is too much for you, don't make the trip...

--
John Nelson
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