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Harry, she may haved none, but there are others that seem to have less
than that.

so I, not going to judge...

concerning 2-cycle being the new standard? eh, that;s left to be seen,
especially when you can't even buy a 2 cycle weed eater in CA.






Harry Krause wrote:
wrote:
Not judging anybodys credentials, but I talked with a guy in my shop
today that has had nothing but good experiences with a couple 175
Ficht's and is even happier now with his 200hp E-Tec.
he was telling me that he knows that 2 cycles will eventually be
snuffed, but until then he will keep trading for E-TEC engines.


Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:
In K. Smith, as Shortwave Sportfishing says:

Um...first of all, Karen has no credentials, has never offered any
credentials or, for that matter, has any understanding of the
technology other than extrapolating on a problem that the 150/175 hp
FICHTS had which was rectified.



You don't have to judge Smith's credentials; she hasn't any.

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wrote in message
ups.com...

concerning 2-cycle being the new standard? eh, that;s left to be seen,
especially when you can't even buy a 2 cycle weed eater in CA.



You must not be keeping up with 2-stroke technology. Traditional 2-strokes
are very "dirty" but the new type like Evinrude E-TEC are "cleaner" than
4-strokes. They even won an EPA award.

Even on pristine Lake Tahoe, the Lake Tahoe Regional Planning Agency uses
E-TEC engines on their patrol boats.

http://www.epa.gov/air/caaac/2004awar.html#technology

Bill Grannis
service manager

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And that's nice to know, Bill, and I hope they can stay around due to
their compatable light weight, and performance, plus added fuel
economy. I am evidently looking at a different picture in a different
book, I suppose.

I know of several lakes that have banned 2-strokes, due to what you
said, being old "dirty" technology. And if I may say, I'm glad to see
the new technologies for cleaning up over due polutions on -cycle
engines.. ie it's about time.

California is really down on 2-cycle engines fo any kind. and other
states may follow suit.

now the lakes that are banning 2 cycle's... are they making, or going
to make exceptions for the E-TEC?



Billgran wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

concerning 2-cycle being the new standard? eh, that;s left to be seen,
especially when you can't even buy a 2 cycle weed eater in CA.



You must not be keeping up with 2-stroke technology. Traditional 2-strokes
are very "dirty" but the new type like Evinrude E-TEC are "cleaner" than
4-strokes. They even won an EPA award.

Even on pristine Lake Tahoe, the Lake Tahoe Regional Planning Agency uses
E-TEC engines on their patrol boats.

http://www.epa.gov/air/caaac/2004awar.html#technology

Bill Grannis
service manager

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Even on pristine Lake Tahoe, the Lake Tahoe Regional Planning Agency uses
E-TEC engines on their patrol boats.

Lake Tahoe, eh? that's cool. I wonder if anybody can run E-TEC there? or is it a governmental "Do as I say, and not as I do"?

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wrote in message
oups.com...


Even on pristine Lake Tahoe, the Lake Tahoe Regional Planning Agency uses
E-TEC engines on their patrol boats.

Lake Tahoe, eh? that's cool. I wonder if anybody can run E-TEC there? or
is it a governmental "Do as I say, and not as I do"?



Anyone can use an E-TEC on the lake as it is a California 3 star rated
ultra-clean motor. That is why the LTRPA replaced their Hondas with E-TECs,
as the Evinrudes were cleaner and have less carbon monoxide emissions than
a 4-stroke.

Very few lakes have 2 stroke bans, but there are lakes that have complete
engine bans. The E-TEC engines are allowed anywhere 4-stroke EFI motors are
allowed.

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Bill, thanks for the clarification!

Billgran wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...


Even on pristine Lake Tahoe, the Lake Tahoe Regional Planning Agency uses
E-TEC engines on their patrol boats.

Lake Tahoe, eh? that's cool. I wonder if anybody can run E-TEC there? or
is it a governmental "Do as I say, and not as I do"?



Anyone can use an E-TEC on the lake as it is a California 3 star rated
ultra-clean motor. That is why the LTRPA replaced their Hondas with E-TECs,
as the Evinrudes were cleaner and have less carbon monoxide emissions than
a 4-stroke.

Very few lakes have 2 stroke bans, but there are lakes that have complete
engine bans. The E-TEC engines are allowed anywhere 4-stroke EFI motors are
allowed.

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Billgran wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

concerning 2-cycle being the new standard? eh, that;s left to be seen,
especially when you can't even buy a 2 cycle weed eater in CA.




You must not be keeping up with 2-stroke technology. Traditional 2-strokes
are very "dirty" but the new type like Evinrude E-TEC are "cleaner" than
4-strokes. They even won an EPA award.

Even on pristine Lake Tahoe, the Lake Tahoe Regional Planning Agency uses
E-TEC engines on their patrol boats.

http://www.epa.gov/air/caaac/2004awar.html#technology

Bill Grannis
service manager


according to http://www.boattahoe.com/trparegs.htm#banned they allow
Optimax also.

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”

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"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
...



according to http://www.boattahoe.com/trparegs.htm#banned they allow
Optimax also.

--


That's pretty dated stuff, Del, it doesn't even list the Yamaha HPDI motors
or mention E-TECs.

Lake Tahoe is restricted to engines meeting EPA 2006 emission specs which
are the same as CA 1-star, and that's a lot of motors today.

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"Billgran" wrote in message
. ..

"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
...



according to http://www.boattahoe.com/trparegs.htm#banned they allow
Optimax also.

--


That's pretty dated stuff, Del, it doesn't even list the Yamaha HPDI
motors or mention E-TECs.

Lake Tahoe is restricted to engines meeting EPA 2006 emission specs
which are the same as CA 1-star, and that's a lot of motors today.
The page says
The following engines are still allowed on lakes in the Tahoe Region:

a.. Direct fuel injection (DFI) two-stroke engines
b.. Two-stroke engines that meet the California Air Resources Board
2001 or the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) 2006 emissions
standard
c.. All four stroke personal watercraft engines
d.. All four stroke gasoline or diesel sterndrive/inboard engines
e.. All four stroke outboard engines

The following engines are no longer legal on Tahoe Region lakes:

Any engine that does not meet the U.S. EPA 2006 or the California Air
Resources Board (CARB) 2001 emissions standard, including: .....

---------------------------------

The list of PWC is from 2004, so perhaps hadn't made their radar screen.
I don't know why HPDI isn't listed.



del

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:02:47 GMT, "FREDO" wrote:



Karen,

Um...first of all, Karen has no credentials, has never offered any
credentials or, for that matter, has any understanding of the
technology other than extrapolating on a problem that the 150/175 hp
FICHTS had which was rectified. And not all 150/175 engines had the
problem, but the problem was strictly related to 150/175 engines.

Secondly, I owned three FICHTS, a 200 and two 225s - I did have a
problem with the 200 that was unrelated to what Karen's screeds are
often about. The problem with the 200 was related here and as Bill
will tell you, is a problem that can occur to any engine and is so
rare to be almost nonexistent. Just law of averages kind of problem.

The FICHT technology is sound and extremely efficient.

I replaced the FICHTS with ETECS - two when I sold my old Contender 31
for a new one and I just replaced the 200 FICHT on my 20 foot Ranger
with a new 225 ETEC.

I am a strong believer in the technology and the proof in the pudding
is that other manufacturers are going back to two stroke tech out of
four stroke for a variety of reasons - one being the success of ETEC.
I am looking at a 2004 Alumacraft 17.5 foot boat with a 115 Evinrude Ficht
motor. This boat and motor has about 200 hours on it.

That's about 100 hrs per year which isn't all that much.

Should I really be worried?

No - absolutely not.

Didn't most of these motors that were bad "blow up" within a few hours
when
new? Also I seem to remember reading in this N/G that if they got past the
first few hours of operation without breaking you probably had a good
engine.

Not true at all. They are sound and will work just fine.

The main thing is to have the engine checked out by a qualified
mechanic - have the engine hours checked, compression, etc. Spend the
money on an hour of shop time and have them tell you if it's good or
not.

What percentage of failures did the manufacturers have?
Weren't the bigger motors, i.e..; 200 hp and above really the majority of
the problems.

No - 150/175 which shared the same block.

OBTW 3 weeks fishing starts today!!!!!!!!!!! No more inspecting new
cars for 3 weeks!!!!
Nothing but wind, water, good friends, fishing, and a little beer ;-)

YAY!!!!

Although I do without the beer - I don't allow beer on my boats. :)


Well, I'm back for a 3 day shore leave to mow, pay bills, etc.
Thanks for the answers.
The salesman told me if the boat had any other engine it would be gone
already. he seems to think it may be around until fall.

I have been around this NG for a few years (check out my boat on the boats
of rec.boats webpage). I know Karen's "rep" here as a Ficht hater and lover
of diesel outboards and wanted to see if she had any statements backed up by
facts.

The first week of fishing was slow due to all the storms this past week. A
couple of crappie, couple of largemouth, some redears (they sure are fun to
catch on an ultralight with 4 lb test mono.) 3 wipers (the biggest around 6
lbs).

OBTW we have a standing rule: No Beer In The Boat Period!
The beer part comes when we get back to fish camp ;-)

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Harry Krause wrote:
FREDO wrote:
I know Karen's "rep" here as a Ficht hater and lover

of diesel outboards and wanted to see if she had any statements backed
up by facts.



Karen Smith knows less about diesel outboards than I know about
lawnmower engines. She claims to have slapped a Japanese diesel onto a
homemade lower unit and that's it. If you ever a photo of it, you're
realize her metalworking skills are non-existent.

She'll probably blame that mess on the 'blokes'.