*This* chowda is delicious!
 

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:21:19 -0400, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

"Manhattan style clam chowder"

Isn't that oxymoronic? :-)

Not at all. Any well rtaveled northeasterner knows there are three
kinds of clam chowder: Manhattan, New England and Rhode Island. RI
chowder is kind of a cross between NE and NYC, thicker base like NE,
but with tomatoes.

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:21:19 -0400, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

"Manhattan style clam chowder"

Isn't that oxymoronic? :-)

Not at all. Any well rtaveled northeasterner knows there are three
kinds of clam chowder: Manhattan, New England and Rhode Island. RI
chowder is kind of a cross between NE and NYC, thicker base like NE,
but with tomatoes.


Oh....wait....creamy, but slightly red, like lobster bisque? We'd better as
Mr. Gaggin if that's authentic.

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On 14 Jun 2006 09:13:21 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

JimH wrote:
Another decent thread sent down the toilet. Don't you guys have
anything
better to do than argue over chowder?
Jim, you should be the last person on earth to chastise others about
anything that is said, or written in this newsgroup in regards to a
particular thread. Shall I google you up some of your recent gems?
Also, you do realize you don't have to read them, don't you?
Looks like Jim's trying to qualify for a badge. I wonder if he notes
the
hypocrisy in his statement.
Are you saying he is fighting for your rice bowl?

He can keep it. Imagine folks getting upset over me asking others they
are fighting over the definition of all things..... chowder.

And John once again focuses his attention on me, although he says he
killfiled me.

Oh well.

BTW: Great pics of the fox and the raccoon at the other place Harry.
Looks like you have quite a lot of wildlife visiting you.


We also have possums, squirrels, and who knows what else.

We also have quite a variety of wildlife in our back yard (wooded),
including deer (kaboom), squirrels, chipmunks, raccoons and
unfortunately.......skunks. We also have a nice variety of birds that we
enjoy watching at the feeders and bird baths.

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
. ..

We also have quite a variety of wildlife in our back yard (wooded),
including deer (kaboom), squirrels, chipmunks, raccoons and
unfortunately.......skunks. We also have a nice variety of birds that we
enjoy watching at the feeders and bird baths.


Put away the coloring book and stop drooling.

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message


So, something which existed long before you were born no longer exists
because you don't like the name? That's rich! :-)

Main Entry: 2chowder
Function: noun
Etymology: French chaudière kettle, contents of a kettle, from Late Latin
caldaria -- more at CAULDRON
: a soup or stew of seafood (as clams or fish) usually made with milk or
tomatoes, salt pork, onions, and other vegetables (as potatoes); also : a
soup resembling chowder

I have unimpeachable documentation that the researcher and editor who
assembled this Merriam-Webster entry are both New Yorkers.

QED

:-)

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

"basskisser" wrote in message

Really? What do you have that states such? Who ever told you that
chowder can't have tomato in it? This is what dictionary.com has on the
subject:

A thick soup containing fish or shellfish, especially clams, and
vegetables, such as potatoes and onions, in a milk or tomato base.
A soup similar to this seafood dish: corn chowder.

Notice is says right there "milk OR TOMATO base"????

From Merriam Webster:

Main Entry: 2chowder
Function: noun
Etymology: French chaudière kettle, contents of a kettle, from Late
Latin caldaria -- more at CAULDRON
: a soup or stew of seafood (as clams or fish) usually made with milk
or tomatoes, salt pork, onions, and other vegetables (as potatoes);
also : a soup resembling chowder


Notice is says right there "milk OR TOMATO base"????

Both the dictionary.com and the Merriam-Webster entries were done by New
Yorkers, so they don't count.


....claim to have made it their own by *******izing it beyond
all recognition. :-)

Please show me any research that states that a chowder can not contain
tomatoes.....

No research required. I have primary sources that support my argument,
comprising my whole extended family and virtually the entire population of
Boston.

:-)

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message

Oh....wait....creamy, but slightly red, like lobster bisque? We'd better
as Mr. Gaggin if that's authentic.

Bisque is an entirely different thing. French, but still OK, particularly
if its lobster. :-)

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message


Rhode Island clam chowder? Never heard of such a thing!! Eaten with "clam
cakes", I suppose? :-)

I did hear that back in colonial times, after Mr. Williams left
Massachusetts Bay Colony to set up his own colony, the Mass Bay Colony
elders allowed that any resident of the Massachusetts Bay Colony observing a
Providence colonist (Rhode Islander) entering Massachusetts could shoot said
Rhode Islander on sight. I've also heard that this statute has never
actually been repealed, although I can't confirm the latter.

:-)

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:13:54 -0400, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

Rhode Island clam chowder? Never heard of such a thing!!

Have you ever been to Rhode Island?

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...Never heard of such a thing!!

Have you ever been to Rhode Island?

The two are not necessarily hand-in-hand. In point of fact I have been to
RI often and regularly, literally thousands of times over the past 50+
years. Patronized restaurants, ordered New England Clam Chowder, can't ever
recall seeing RI style. Interesting.

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:30:52 -0400, John Gaquin wrote:


The two are not necessarily hand-in-hand. In point of fact I have been to
RI often and regularly, literally thousands of times over the past 50+
years. Patronized restaurants, ordered New England Clam Chowder, can't
ever recall seeing RI style. Interesting.

I did find a reference to the Portuguese of Rhode Island and tomatoes,
with a little history of Manhattan Clam Chowder.

http://whatscookingamerica.net/Histo...tanChowder.htm

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:30:52 -0400, John Gaquin wrote:


The two are not necessarily hand-in-hand. In point of fact I have been
to
RI often and regularly, literally thousands of times over the past 50+
years. Patronized restaurants, ordered New England Clam Chowder, can't
ever recall seeing RI style. Interesting.

I did find a reference to the Portuguese of Rhode Island and tomatoes,
with a little history of Manhattan Clam Chowder.

http://whatscookingamerica.net/Histo...tanChowder.htm

Hey....there's still a significant Portuguese community in Rhode Island. I
wonder if that's a clue.

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:21:19 -0400, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

"Manhattan style clam chowder"

Isn't that oxymoronic? :-)

Not at all. Any well rtaveled northeasterner knows there are three
kinds of clam chowder: Manhattan, New England and Rhode Island. RI
chowder is kind of a cross between NE and NYC, thicker base like NE,
but with tomatoes.

Yes, exactly. And I'd like to try some good RI clam chowder. Never had
it, and it sounds delicious!

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

wrote:
ROTFL!!!!

Actually it's humorously sad. ..or is it sadly humorous???

So you buy into John's bull**** that there is only one chowder?

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Really? What do you have that states such? Who ever told you that
chowder can't have tomato in it? This is what dictionary.com has on the
subject:

A thick soup containing fish or shellfish, especially clams, and
vegetables, such as potatoes and onions, in a milk or tomato base.
A soup similar to this seafood dish: corn chowder.

Notice is says right there "milk OR TOMATO base"????

From Merriam Webster:

Main Entry: 2chowder
Function: noun
Etymology: French chaudière kettle, contents of a kettle, from Late
Latin caldaria -- more at CAULDRON
: a soup or stew of seafood (as clams or fish) usually made with milk
or tomatoes, salt pork, onions, and other vegetables (as potatoes);
also : a soup resembling chowder


Notice is says right there "milk OR TOMATO base"????

Both the dictionary.com and the Merriam-Webster entries were done by New
Yorkers, so they don't count.


....claim to have made it their own by *******izing it beyond
all recognition. :-)

Please show me any research that states that a chowder can not contain
tomatoes.....

No research required. I have primary sources that support my argument,
comprising my whole extended family and virtually the entire population of
Boston.

:-)

Oh, I see, so like usual, you just stick your fingers in your ears and
yell Nah, Nah, Nah.........
Must be hell going through life so narrow minded.

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

Maybe there is,and maybe there isn't. what's it to you?

basskisser wrote:
wrote:
ROTFL!!!!

Actually it's humorously sad. ..or is it sadly humorous???

So you buy into John's bull**** that there is only one chowder?

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

Y'know, I would think life would be miserable for you with your
attitude.


basskisser wrote:
wrote:
Maybe there is,and maybe there isn't. what's it to you?

I expected nothing less or more from you than such a well thought out,
intelligent response......NOT....

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

wrote:
Y'know, I would think life would be miserable for you with your
attitude.

I have a great attitude, I just find stupidity and narrowminds
appalling.

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

basskisser wrote:
John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Really? What do you have that states such? Who ever told you that
chowder can't have tomato in it? This is what dictionary.com has on the
subject:
A thick soup containing fish or shellfish, especially clams, and
vegetables, such as potatoes and onions, in a milk or tomato base.
A soup similar to this seafood dish: corn chowder.
Notice is says right there "milk OR TOMATO base"????
From Merriam Webster:
Main Entry: 2chowder
Function: noun
Etymology: French chaudière kettle, contents of a kettle, from Late
Latin caldaria -- more at CAULDRON
: a soup or stew of seafood (as clams or fish) usually made with milk
or tomatoes, salt pork, onions, and other vegetables (as potatoes);
also : a soup resembling chowder

Notice is says right there "milk OR TOMATO base"????
Both the dictionary.com and the Merriam-Webster entries were done by New
Yorkers, so they don't count.

....claim to have made it their own by *******izing it beyond
all recognition. :-)
Please show me any research that states that a chowder can not contain
tomatoes.....
No research required. I have primary sources that support my argument,
comprising my whole extended family and virtually the entire population of
Boston.

:-)

Oh, I see, so like usual, you just stick your fingers in your ears and
yell Nah, Nah, Nah.........
Must be hell going through life so narrow minded.

Bassy,
Can't you tell that John is pulling your leg?

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Really? What do you have that states such? Who ever told you that
chowder can't have tomato in it? This is what dictionary.com has on the
subject:
A thick soup containing fish or shellfish, especially clams, and
vegetables, such as potatoes and onions, in a milk or tomato base.
A soup similar to this seafood dish: corn chowder.
Notice is says right there "milk OR TOMATO base"????
From Merriam Webster:
Main Entry: 2chowder
Function: noun
Etymology: French chaudière kettle, contents of a kettle, from Late
Latin caldaria -- more at CAULDRON
: a soup or stew of seafood (as clams or fish) usually made with milk
or tomatoes, salt pork, onions, and other vegetables (as potatoes);
also : a soup resembling chowder

Notice is says right there "milk OR TOMATO base"????
Both the dictionary.com and the Merriam-Webster entries were done by New
Yorkers, so they don't count.

....claim to have made it their own by *******izing it beyond
all recognition. :-)
Please show me any research that states that a chowder can not contain
tomatoes.....
No research required. I have primary sources that support my argument,
comprising my whole extended family and virtually the entire population of
Boston.

:-)

Oh, I see, so like usual, you just stick your fingers in your ears and
yell Nah, Nah, Nah.........
Must be hell going through life so narrow minded.

Bassy,
Can't you tell that John is pulling your leg?

Oh, no he's not. He was absolutely serious to begin with, THEN when
anybody with any knowledge pointed out to him he was wrong, then and
only then did he start acting like he was *just kidding*...

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

basskisser wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Really? What do you have that states such? Who ever told you that
chowder can't have tomato in it? This is what dictionary.com has on the
subject:
A thick soup containing fish or shellfish, especially clams, and
vegetables, such as potatoes and onions, in a milk or tomato base.
A soup similar to this seafood dish: corn chowder.
Notice is says right there "milk OR TOMATO base"????
From Merriam Webster:
Main Entry: 2chowder
Function: noun
Etymology: French chaudière kettle, contents of a kettle, from Late
Latin caldaria -- more at CAULDRON
: a soup or stew of seafood (as clams or fish) usually made with milk
or tomatoes, salt pork, onions, and other vegetables (as potatoes);
also : a soup resembling chowder
Notice is says right there "milk OR TOMATO base"????
Both the dictionary.com and the Merriam-Webster entries were done by New
Yorkers, so they don't count.

....claim to have made it their own by *******izing it beyond
all recognition. :-)
Please show me any research that states that a chowder can not contain
tomatoes.....
No research required. I have primary sources that support my argument,
comprising my whole extended family and virtually the entire population of
Boston.

:-)
Oh, I see, so like usual, you just stick your fingers in your ears and
yell Nah, Nah, Nah.........
Must be hell going through life so narrow minded.

Bassy,
Can't you tell that John is pulling your leg?

Oh, no he's not. He was absolutely serious to begin with, THEN when
anybody with any knowledge pointed out to him he was wrong, then and
only then did he start acting like he was *just kidding*...

Bassy,
I read it from the very beginning that he was kidding, meaning that he
only liked the ONLY liked cream based chowder, and that is the only true
chowder, the rest is just an imitation of chowder. I read all of his
comments to be tongue in check. You want to be careful or people will
think you are trying to do an imitation of another NG regular who is
always looking for a fight.

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Really? What do you have that states such? Who ever told you that
chowder can't have tomato in it? This is what dictionary.com has onthe
subject:
A thick soup containing fish or shellfish, especially clams, and
vegetables, such as potatoes and onions, in a milk or tomato base.
A soup similar to this seafood dish: corn chowder.
Notice is says right there "milk OR TOMATO base"????
From Merriam Webster:
Main Entry: 2chowder
Function: noun
Etymology: French chaudière kettle, contents of a kettle, from Late
Latin caldaria -- more at CAULDRON
: a soup or stew of seafood (as clams or fish) usually made with milk
or tomatoes, salt pork, onions, and other vegetables (as potatoes);
also : a soup resembling chowder
Notice is says right there "milk OR TOMATO base"????
Both the dictionary.com and the Merriam-Webster entries were done byNew
Yorkers, so they don't count.

....claim to have made it their own by *******izing it beyond
all recognition. :-)
Please show me any research that states that a chowder can not contain
tomatoes.....
No research required. I have primary sources that support my argument,
comprising my whole extended family and virtually the entire population of
Boston.

:-)
Oh, I see, so like usual, you just stick your fingers in your ears and
yell Nah, Nah, Nah.........
Must be hell going through life so narrow minded.

Bassy,
Can't you tell that John is pulling your leg?

Oh, no he's not. He was absolutely serious to begin with, THEN when
anybody with any knowledge pointed out to him he was wrong, then and
only then did he start acting like he was *just kidding*...

Bassy,
I read it from the very beginning that he was kidding, meaning that he
only liked the ONLY liked cream based chowder, and that is the only true
chowder, the rest is just an imitation of chowder. I read all of his
comments to be tongue in check. You want to be careful or people will
think you are trying to do an imitation of another NG regular who is
always looking for a fight.

Then why did he make this statement?

Oh my -- must everything be explained to you two in chapter and verse?

Research has naught to do with it, bassie. No reasearch required.
Simply
put, if its got tomato in it - so-called "Manhattan style" - it ain't
clam
chowda. Period.

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

basskisser wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Really? What do you have that states such? Who ever told you that
chowder can't have tomato in it? This is what dictionary.com has on the
subject:
A thick soup containing fish or shellfish, especially clams, and
vegetables, such as potatoes and onions, in a milk or tomato base.
A soup similar to this seafood dish: corn chowder.
Notice is says right there "milk OR TOMATO base"????
From Merriam Webster:
Main Entry: 2chowder
Function: noun
Etymology: French chaudière kettle, contents of a kettle, from Late
Latin caldaria -- more at CAULDRON
: a soup or stew of seafood (as clams or fish) usually made with milk
or tomatoes, salt pork, onions, and other vegetables (as potatoes);
also : a soup resembling chowder
Notice is says right there "milk OR TOMATO base"????
Both the dictionary.com and the Merriam-Webster entries were done by New
Yorkers, so they don't count.

....claim to have made it their own by *******izing it beyond
all recognition. :-)
Please show me any research that states that a chowder can not contain
tomatoes.....
No research required. I have primary sources that support my argument,
comprising my whole extended family and virtually the entire population of
Boston.

:-)
Oh, I see, so like usual, you just stick your fingers in your ears and
yell Nah, Nah, Nah.........
Must be hell going through life so narrow minded.

Bassy,
Can't you tell that John is pulling your leg?
Oh, no he's not. He was absolutely serious to begin with, THEN when
anybody with any knowledge pointed out to him he was wrong, then and
only then did he start acting like he was *just kidding*...

Bassy,
I read it from the very beginning that he was kidding, meaning that he
only liked the ONLY liked cream based chowder, and that is the only true
chowder, the rest is just an imitation of chowder. I read all of his
comments to be tongue in check. You want to be careful or people will
think you are trying to do an imitation of another NG regular who is
always looking for a fight.

Then why did he make this statement?

Oh my -- must everything be explained to you two in chapter and verse?

Research has naught to do with it, bassie. No reasearch required.
Simply
put, if its got tomato in it - so-called "Manhattan style" - it ain't
clam
chowda. Period.


He was kidding, sometimes it is hard to tell when someone is talking
tongue in cheek in Usenet. It is like people joking that only pork or
only beef qualifies for BBQ. It really isn't a big deal, even if he was
serious, which I doubt.

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message news:6K-
He was kidding, .....

Ssshhhhhh!!!! Quiet, Reggie, you'll spoil all the fun!

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

"basskisser" wrote in message

I have a great attitude, I just find stupidity and narrowminds
appalling.

God, this is a fun job!!!! :-)

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

John Gaquin wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message news:6K-
He was kidding, .....

Ssshhhhhh!!!! Quiet, Reggie, you'll spoil all the fun!

Yup, the cat's now covering it's ****.

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

I have a great attitude, I just find stupidity and narrowminds
appalling.

God, this is a fun job!!!! :-)

You frequent rec.boats and post lies, and idiotic statements for a
job???

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

"basskisser" wrote in message

Ssshhhhhh!!!! Quiet, Reggie, you'll spoil all the fun!

Yup, the cat's now covering it's ****

If you say so, bassie. ;-)

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

"basskisser" wrote in message

You frequent rec.boats and post lies, and idiotic statements for a
job???

.....like fish in a barrel.........

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

You frequent rec.boats and post lies, and idiotic statements for a
job???

....like fish in a barrel.........

At least you've admitted you post lies and idiotic statements.

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

"basskisser" wrote in message

At least you've admitted you post lies and idiotic statements.


Oh? Please quote references.

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

At least you've admitted you post lies and idiotic statements.


Oh? Please quote references.

No problem:

I said:
You frequent rec.boats and post lies, and idiotic statements for a
job???

To which you replied:

.....like fish in a barrel.........

Now, do tell, what did you mean by that?

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

"basskisser" wrote in message

I said:
You frequent rec.boats and post lies, and idiotic statements for a
job???

To which you replied:

....like fish in a barrel.........

Now, do tell, what did you mean by that?

Good Lord, bassie, I was making reference to the old saying indicating that
something (like drawing you and your ire into a pointless post exchange) is
exceptionally easy, like shooting fish in a barrel. Surely you've heard
that old one?

Now, do tell -- please detail exactly how you made the logical connection
and progression from "...like fish in a barrel..." to an alleged "admission"
[your word] that I "...frequent rec.boats and post lies, and idiotic
statements for a job...". Multiple steps are OK, as long as they are
clearly delineated. I really want to follow this closely. :-)

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

5 days later, this thread is still as enlightening as it was when it began.

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:35:56 -0400, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

I really want to follow this closely

Why?

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

I said:
You frequent rec.boats and post lies, and idiotic statements for a
job???

To which you replied:

....like fish in a barrel.........

Now, do tell, what did you mean by that?

Good Lord, bassie, I was making reference to the old saying indicating that
something (like drawing you and your ire into a pointless post exchange) is
exceptionally easy, like shooting fish in a barrel. Surely you've heard
that old one?

Now, do tell -- please detail exactly how you made the logical connection
and progression from "...like fish in a barrel..." to an alleged "admission"
[your word] that I "...frequent rec.boats and post lies, and idiotic
statements for a job...". Multiple steps are OK, as long as they are
clearly delineated. I really want to follow this closely. :-)

Apparently, if you're not able to see the connection, you don't have
the ability to "follow this closely".

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

"basskisser" wrote in message

Apparently, if you're not able to see the connection, you don't have
the ability to "follow this closely".

LOL

wait......wait..... what;'s that "clicking" sound I hear? Is it.......?
YES!!!..... it is!! I love the sound of tap-dancing in the morning!

:-)

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Apparently, if you're not able to see the connection, you don't have
the ability to "follow this closely".

LOL

wait......wait..... what;'s that "clicking" sound I hear? Is it.......?
YES!!!..... it is!! I love the sound of tap-dancing in the morning!

:-)

Hmm, are you saying that you DON'T see the connection?? Really??

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

I said:
You frequent rec.boats and post lies, and idiotic statements for a
job???

To which you replied:

....like fish in a barrel.........

Now, do tell, what did you mean by that?

Good Lord, bassie, I was making reference to the old saying indicating that
something (like drawing you and your ire into a pointless post exchange) is
exceptionally easy, like shooting fish in a barrel. Surely you've heard
that old one?

Now, do tell -- please detail exactly how you made the logical connection
and progression from "...like fish in a barrel..." to an alleged "admission"
[your word] that I "...frequent rec.boats and post lies, and idiotic
statements for a job...". Multiple steps are OK, as long as they are
clearly delineated. I really want to follow this closely. :-)

Your first post about this subject was, at the time that you wrote it,
your opinion, and you know it. Only when you was proved wrong, did you
start YOUR tapdance....

*This* chowda is delicious!
 

"basskisser" wrote in message

Hmm, are you saying that you DON'T see the connection?? Really??

Really. Please illuminate.