"Black Dog" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
Jim wrote:

This may hurt, but it could be the reason your friends are too busy to
go boating with you. A bigger, better, more comfortable boat with a head
might be more appealing to your friends. Also, you see fear in their
faces when you speed, slow down.
Jim


This makes sense. When I first started crewing with a guy who went out
and bought a Viking 28 sailboat with little sailing experience or formal
courses, a lot of the ladies were scared to sail with him. He didn't
inspire trust. That's how I got on...my co-worker was a good friend of
his but didn't want to go out unless I (some experience) or another
trusted person went along to rein in the owner. The owner always seemed
to generate one emergency after another...such as too much sail up in
high winds, not knowing the Collision Regs...how to read a chart etc.
etc.


So so so true.

I lost track of how many guys I've talked to who said something like, "the
wife used to go out with me but she won't anymore" or "she just decided
she doesn't like it" or "my son likes it but the daughter won't set foot
on the boat"(hands lifted upwards in a gesture of innocence and
confusion). Fact of nature - women have a higher sense of
self-preservation than men. Survival of the species depends on it.

Also, when I tried to point out the necessity of head to the guys here I
was called (more or less)a selfish bee-ach. But that's just another fact
of nature.

I hate PWC's. The NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE. And, I hate skidoos, same
reason (gimmie a sled of dogs anyday). And I hate those little
motorcycles everyone in Europe seems to drive right up your butt when
you're trying to walk on the sidewalk. And and and . . .

I don't know, when I am at the boat ramps the boats seem to be just as loud,
some even louder, than the PWC's...
Talking power boats though, not sail.

Duke

"Jim" wrote in message
nk.net...

This may hurt, but it could be the reason your friends are too busy to go
boating with you.

No, that doesn't hurt at all - remember, I came here asking
for the straight talk from real word people that I respect, and
people here in this group have been so down to earth, and
helpful, thats its impressive - people here have helped me in
every step of boating, from deciding to buy the boat, to
everything in between. Anyways, truth be told, this kinda
*is* the case - close friends/neighbors have said the exact
same thing (and I appreciate their honesty)

A bigger, better, more comfortable boat with a head might
be more appealing to your friends. Also, you see fear in their faces when
you speed, slow down.
Jim

Thats spot on, and thus my situation (and re-grouping delema)
When I bought the boat, it "fit". Serious boat bug, in need of
a "real" boat, and a step-up from the Zodiac, and as a newbee
to non-Zodiac boats, needed an afordable entry level boat.
Served me well, I love the boat, and its high-value for the price.

But as I said, I need to re-chart my life a bit now. Still single,
in too small a house, still have to finish a house remodel project
that I startes a few years back (put on an addition, and need to
finish the master bath, and kitchen). I need to chart a better
path as to get i n a position to where I *can* get that bigger
boat that friends/people would want to join me for an outting.
But in the mean time, and as I focus on getting this house done,
and possibly sell it. and upgrade, I'd like to have quick fun
available an on tap - thus the idea of a PWC. Should I get
this house done, sold, hook up with a lady, and such, *then*
I'd be in position to get the boat I want, have someone to be
boat with me, plenty of room to park, etc, etc. So the PWC
would be a stop-gap while I re-arrange my life for a bit, thats all



"Mr Wizzard" wrote in message
. ..
Having some crazy thoughts lately, so do I need smacked?
Ok, so I got my new 2005 Bayliner 175 last June, and had
a blast with it last year. I'm a single man with no kids, and of
course last year, everybody was my friend, and did a lot of
boating with the neighbors, and even had the ex on the boat
a few times. anyways, took it out yesturday for the first time
this year, and also had fun. But the whole thing has me
thinking lately. Neighbors all too busy to go out boating
with me, ex is not really into it, and a lot of my friends arn't
into boating ("that" much). Me? well, I love speed, period.
I love my Bayliner, and I love it when I do get out on the
water, but taking the 175 out by myself each time is a lot
of work, and a real chore to back it up in the driveway
which has only +/- 4-inches of chearance. Soooo.

I been thining (*very* wild hair) about the possibilities
of trading the 175 in on some sort of higher end PWC.
Either a 1,2 (3?) seat Sea Do, or Yamny jet ski or something.

Is this a crazy idea? Will I lose my shirt on a trade in?
I'd like to still get out on the lakes here in the great
NorthWest, I should be still able to do that, right ?
What is the range of one of these? Can I do 20 miles
on a tankfull ? How well do they do in light chop?

Could a PWC be an adaquate substitute for the 175?

Thanks for any thoughts/dialogue on this notion.

Mr Wizzard wrote:
Having some crazy thoughts lately, so do I need smacked?
Ok, so I got my new 2005 Bayliner 175 last June, and had
a blast with it last year. I'm a single man with no kids, and of
course last year, everybody was my friend, and did a lot of
boating with the neighbors, and even had the ex on the boat
a few times. anyways, took it out yesturday for the first time
this year, and also had fun. But the whole thing has me
thinking lately. Neighbors all too busy to go out boating
with me, ex is not really into it, and a lot of my friends arn't
into boating ("that" much). Me? well, I love speed, period.
I love my Bayliner, and I love it when I do get out on the
water, but taking the 175 out by myself each time is a lot
of work, and a real chore to back it up in the driveway
which has only +/- 4-inches of chearance. Soooo.

I been thining (*very* wild hair) about the possibilities
of trading the 175 in on some sort of higher end PWC.
Either a 1,2 (3?) seat Sea Do, or Yamny jet ski or something.

Is this a crazy idea? Will I lose my shirt on a trade in?
I'd like to still get out on the lakes here in the great
NorthWest, I should be still able to do that, right ?
What is the range of one of these? Can I do 20 miles
on a tankfull ? How well do they do in light chop?

Could a PWC be an adaquate substitute for the 175?

Thanks for any thoughts/dialogue on this notion.


Lot of people pay up and join a boat club/marina so they can keep their
boat on a mooring or at a slip. Can be expensive but there are a lot of
advantages. You just might make a batch of new friends who are 'into
boating'.

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Mr Wizzard wrote:
Having some crazy thoughts lately, so do I need smacked?
Ok, so I got my new 2005 Bayliner 175 last June, and had
a blast with it last year. I'm a single man with no kids, and of
course last year, everybody was my friend, and did a lot of
boating with the neighbors, and even had the ex on the boat
a few times. anyways, took it out yesturday for the first time
this year, and also had fun. But the whole thing has me
thinking lately. Neighbors all too busy to go out boating
with me, ex is not really into it, and a lot of my friends arn't
into boating ("that" much). Me? well, I love speed, period.
I love my Bayliner, and I love it when I do get out on the
water, but taking the 175 out by myself each time is a lot
of work, and a real chore to back it up in the driveway
which has only +/- 4-inches of chearance. Soooo.

I been thining (*very* wild hair) about the possibilities
of trading the 175 in on some sort of higher end PWC.
Either a 1,2 (3?) seat Sea Do, or Yamny jet ski or something.

Is this a crazy idea? Will I lose my shirt on a trade in?
I'd like to still get out on the lakes here in the great
NorthWest, I should be still able to do that, right ?
What is the range of one of these? Can I do 20 miles
on a tankfull ? How well do they do in light chop?

Could a PWC be an adaquate substitute for the 175?

Thanks for any thoughts/dialogue on this notion.


Lot of people pay up and join a boat club/marina so they can keep their
boat on a mooring or at a slip. Can be expensive but there are a lot of
advantages. You just might make a batch of new friends who are 'into
boating'.

Yeah, you know, funny you mentioned that. I should have
mentioned that I've considered this too. I looked into it, and
in this area, we're looking at $200 month minumum. Spending
$200/month for a little 175 (which also costs $200/mo) just
doen't seem to 'gel' with me for some reason, but it does address
the trailering/storage issues, so has some value in the equation.

Mr Wizzard wrote:
Having some crazy thoughts lately, so do I need smacked?
Ok, so I got my new 2005 Bayliner 175 last June, and had
a blast with it last year. I'm a single man with no kids, and of
course last year, everybody was my friend, and did a lot of
boating with the neighbors, and even had the ex on the boat
a few times. anyways, took it out yesturday for the first time
this year, and also had fun. But the whole thing has me
thinking lately. Neighbors all too busy to go out boating
with me, ex is not really into it, and a lot of my friends arn't
into boating ("that" much). Me? well, I love speed, period.
I love my Bayliner, and I love it when I do get out on the
water, but taking the 175 out by myself each time is a lot
of work, and a real chore to back it up in the driveway
which has only +/- 4-inches of chearance. Soooo.

I been thining (*very* wild hair) about the possibilities
of trading the 175 in on some sort of higher end PWC.
Either a 1,2 (3?) seat Sea Do, or Yamny jet ski or something.

Is this a crazy idea? Will I lose my shirt on a trade in?
I'd like to still get out on the lakes here in the great
NorthWest, I should be still able to do that, right ?
What is the range of one of these? Can I do 20 miles
on a tankfull ? How well do they do in light chop?

Could a PWC be an adaquate substitute for the 175?

Thanks for any thoughts/dialogue on this notion.


It isn't unusal to find a need to expand your circle of friends when
you buy a boat.
All of you non-boating buddies will want to go out on the boat with
you........about twice.
After that it's "The boat again? Gee, we've been there, done that. I
was thinking we'd get together over at the titty bar, drink a couple of
pitchers, eat burgers, and watch the ballgame."

Happens all the time.

See if there isn't a group of casual cruisers that get together once in
a while in your area, and find out about joining. Instant social
schedule and a group of new friends with a common interest. You might
even look into a (horrors) "yacht club", if there's a friendly informal
version of same in your community. (Some clubs don't hve restrictions
on the sixe of boat you can own and still join as a member. Up this
way, there's a group out of Everett called Damgar's Yacht Club that
lets people join with *anything*, and they can live anywhere. You see
this group out and around various marinas etc and they are just a bunch
of regular, kind of blue collar folks getting together to have a lot of
fun with their boats. May be some similar group in your area.) Or, you
might look into a fishing club. Key point is that your old friends will
still be your friends but they aren't suddenly going to be interested
in boating simply because you are.

Getting a jet ski just means that you've abandoned all hope of sharing
the experience on the water with anybody else and are going to settle
for a solitary experience. Expanding your circle of friends to include
other boaters is the other option.

wrote in message
ups.com...

Mr Wizzard wrote:
Having some crazy thoughts lately, so do I need smacked?
Ok, so I got my new 2005 Bayliner 175 last June, and had
a blast with it last year. I'm a single man with no kids, and of
course last year, everybody was my friend, and did a lot of
boating with the neighbors, and even had the ex on the boat
a few times. anyways, took it out yesturday for the first time
this year, and also had fun. But the whole thing has me
thinking lately. Neighbors all too busy to go out boating
with me, ex is not really into it, and a lot of my friends arn't
into boating ("that" much). Me? well, I love speed, period.
I love my Bayliner, and I love it when I do get out on the
water, but taking the 175 out by myself each time is a lot
of work, and a real chore to back it up in the driveway
which has only +/- 4-inches of chearance. Soooo.

I been thining (*very* wild hair) about the possibilities
of trading the 175 in on some sort of higher end PWC.
Either a 1,2 (3?) seat Sea Do, or Yamny jet ski or something.

Is this a crazy idea? Will I lose my shirt on a trade in?
I'd like to still get out on the lakes here in the great
NorthWest, I should be still able to do that, right ?
What is the range of one of these? Can I do 20 miles
on a tankfull ? How well do they do in light chop?

Could a PWC be an adaquate substitute for the 175?

Thanks for any thoughts/dialogue on this notion.


It isn't unusal to find a need to expand your circle of friends when
you buy a boat.
All of you non-boating buddies will want to go out on the boat with
you........about twice.
After that it's "The boat again? Gee, we've been there, done that. I
was thinking we'd get together over at the titty bar, drink a couple of
pitchers, eat burgers, and watch the ballgame."

Happens all the time.

Exactly !! (bingo)


See if there isn't a group of casual cruisers that get together once in
a while in your area, and find out about joining. Instant social
schedule and a group of new friends with a common interest. You might
even look into a (horrors) "yacht club", if there's a friendly informal
version of same in your community. (Some clubs don't hve restrictions
on the sixe of boat you can own and still join as a member. Up this
way, there's a group out of Everett called Damgar's Yacht Club that
lets people join with *anything*, and they can live anywhere. You see
this group out and around various marinas etc and they are just a bunch
of regular, kind of blue collar folks getting together to have a lot of
fun with their boats. May be some similar group in your area.) Or, you
might look into a fishing club. Key point is that your old friends will
still be your friends but they aren't suddenly going to be interested
in boating simply because you are.

Getting a jet ski just means that you've abandoned all hope of sharing
the experience on the water with anybody else and are going to settle
for a solitary experience. Expanding your circle of friends to include
other boaters is the other option.

wrote in message
ups.com...

Mr Wizzard wrote:
Having some crazy thoughts lately, so do I need smacked?
Ok, so I got my new 2005 Bayliner 175 last June, and had
a blast with it last year. I'm a single man with no kids, and of
course last year, everybody was my friend, and did a lot of
boating with the neighbors, and even had the ex on the boat
a few times. anyways, took it out yesturday for the first time
this year, and also had fun. But the whole thing has me
thinking lately. Neighbors all too busy to go out boating
with me, ex is not really into it, and a lot of my friends arn't
into boating ("that" much). Me? well, I love speed, period.
I love my Bayliner, and I love it when I do get out on the
water, but taking the 175 out by myself each time is a lot
of work, and a real chore to back it up in the driveway
which has only +/- 4-inches of chearance. Soooo.

I been thining (*very* wild hair) about the possibilities
of trading the 175 in on some sort of higher end PWC.
Either a 1,2 (3?) seat Sea Do, or Yamny jet ski or something.

Is this a crazy idea? Will I lose my shirt on a trade in?
I'd like to still get out on the lakes here in the great
NorthWest, I should be still able to do that, right ?
What is the range of one of these? Can I do 20 miles
on a tankfull ? How well do they do in light chop?

Could a PWC be an adaquate substitute for the 175?

Thanks for any thoughts/dialogue on this notion.


It isn't unusal to find a need to expand your circle of friends when
you buy a boat.
All of you non-boating buddies will want to go out on the boat with
you........about twice.
After that it's "The boat again? Gee, we've been there, done that. I
was thinking we'd get together over at the titty bar, drink a couple of
pitchers, eat burgers, and watch the ballgame."

Happens all the time.

Exactly ! !


See if there isn't a group of casual cruisers that get together once in
a while in your area, and find out about joining. Instant social
schedule and a group of new friends with a common interest. You might
even look into a (horrors) "yacht club", if there's a friendly informal
version of same in your community. (Some clubs don't hve restrictions
on the sixe of boat you can own and still join as a member. Up this
way, there's a group out of Everett called Damgar's Yacht Club that
lets people join with *anything*, and they can live anywhere. You see
this group out and around various marinas etc and they are just a bunch
of regular, kind of blue collar folks getting together to have a lot of
fun with their boats. May be some similar group in your area.) Or, you
might look into a fishing club. Key point is that your old friends will
still be your friends but they aren't suddenly going to be interested
in boating simply because you are.

Getting a jet ski just means that you've abandoned all hope of sharing
the experience on the water with anybody else and are going to settle
for a solitary experience. Expanding your circle of friends to include
other boaters is the other option.

Wow!, this is well put together response, and I really appreciate that!!
This too will help me in my decision making process. Thanks!