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Hi all,

How do the heads work on smaller boats such as the Maxum 2100SC and other
similar craft ? Do they flush overboard or must you remove the head and
dispose of the waste manually ?

Thanks,

Duke


It will not flush overboard. Depending on the type of head (fixed or
portable) it will either flush into a holding tank that must occasionally
be pumped out or flush into a small holding tank at the bottom of the
(portable) unit that has to be pumped out or manually dumped into an
approved holding tank.


Hi Jim,

Thanks. Being new to this arena, where would one find an approved holding
tank ? Is this something that would only be available at a marina ? Would
it be possible to just dump it into your homes waste system. I have a clean
out trap at home with a 4inch pipe as the opening. Seems like I could just
unsrew and dump into there. Or would that make no sense ?

Thanks again,

Duke

Small boats seem to stop for fuel every couple of days- just enough
time for the porta-pottie to become full or the small holding tank
typically found on most small boats to reach capacity. Pump or dump at
the fuel dock. No reason to haul a bucket of sh** all the way home in
your car.

Depending upon where you boat, you may indeed be able to pump
overboard. The crux of the regulation is that you shall not dump
*untreated* sewage into the water in any inland waters or les than
three miles offshore. It's perfectly legal to dump sewage that has been
treated to standards of fecal coliform count and doesn't contain
"floating solids" less than three miles from shore and in inland
waters, but the smaller boats typically do not have the
appropriate systems that will treat the sewage to meet the standards.
(When you pump out,
the contents of your holding tank get treated, and then dumped right
back into the same waters you've been boating in- same as with onboard
treatment).

If you boat in waters where the legality of discharge varies, you will
need a "Y" valve to divert waste to your holding tank when you are in a
no-discharge area. If you are boarded by the Coast Guard, they will
want to see this Y valve secured in the "holding tank" position (a zip
tie is OK) if you are less than three miles from shore or in inland
waters.

With the continuing increase in "no discharge" zones, (places where
local regulations are stricter than federal regulations and it is
illegal to discharge even properly treated waste), I would probably not
bother with rigging for overboard discharge on a small boat.

wrote:
Duke wrote:

" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
...

"Duke" wrote in message
news:8uEhg.5868$td6.4388@trnddc02...

Hi all,

How do the heads work on smaller boats such as the Maxum 2100SC and other
similar craft ? Do they flush overboard or must you remove the head and
dispose of the waste manually ?

Thanks,

Duke


It will not flush overboard. Depending on the type of head (fixed or
portable) it will either flush into a holding tank that must occasionally
be pumped out or flush into a small holding tank at the bottom of the
(portable) unit that has to be pumped out or manually dumped into an
approved holding tank.


Hi Jim,

Thanks. Being new to this arena, where would one find an approved holding
tank ? Is this something that would only be available at a marina ? Would
it be possible to just dump it into your homes waste system. I have a clean
out trap at home with a 4inch pipe as the opening. Seems like I could just
unsrew and dump into there. Or would that make no sense ?

Thanks again,

Duke


Small boats seem to stop for fuel every couple of days- just enough
time for the porta-pottie to become full or the small holding tank
typically found on most small boats to reach capacity. Pump or dump at
the fuel dock. No reason to haul a bucket of sh** all the way home in
your car.

Depending upon where you boat, you may indeed be able to pump
overboard. The crux of the regulation is that you shall not dump
*untreated* sewage into the water in any inland waters or les than
three miles offshore. It's perfectly legal to dump sewage that has been
treated to standards of fecal coliform count and doesn't contain
"floating solids" less than three miles from shore and in inland
waters, but the smaller boats typically do not have the
appropriate systems that will treat the sewage to meet the standards.
(When you pump out,
the contents of your holding tank get treated, and then dumped right
back into the same waters you've been boating in- same as with onboard
treatment).

If you boat in waters where the legality of discharge varies, you will
need a "Y" valve to divert waste to your holding tank when you are in a
no-discharge area. If you are boarded by the Coast Guard, they will
want to see this Y valve secured in the "holding tank" position (a zip
tie is OK) if you are less than three miles from shore or in inland
waters.

With the continuing increase in "no discharge" zones, (places where
local regulations are stricter than federal regulations and it is
illegal to discharge even properly treated waste), I would probably not
bother with rigging for overboard discharge on a small boat.

Where are you allowed to dump sewage, sterilized and ground up, in
inland waters? I am pretty sure that Minnesota is not one of those
places. It certainly wouldn't do the lake or river much good.

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”

"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Duke wrote:

" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
...

"Duke" wrote in message
news:8uEhg.5868$td6.4388@trnddc02...

Hi all,

How do the heads work on smaller boats such as the Maxum 2100SC and
other
similar craft ? Do they flush overboard or must you remove the head
and
dispose of the waste manually ?

Thanks,

Duke


It will not flush overboard. Depending on the type of head (fixed or
portable) it will either flush into a holding tank that must
occasionally
be pumped out or flush into a small holding tank at the bottom of the
(portable) unit that has to be pumped out or manually dumped into an
approved holding tank.


Hi Jim,

Thanks. Being new to this arena, where would one find an approved
holding
tank ? Is this something that would only be available at a marina ?
Would
it be possible to just dump it into your homes waste system. I have a
clean
out trap at home with a 4inch pipe as the opening. Seems like I could
just
unsrew and dump into there. Or would that make no sense ?

Thanks again,

Duke


Small boats seem to stop for fuel every couple of days- just enough
time for the porta-pottie to become full or the small holding tank
typically found on most small boats to reach capacity. Pump or dump at
the fuel dock. No reason to haul a bucket of sh** all the way home in
your car.

Depending upon where you boat, you may indeed be able to pump
overboard. The crux of the regulation is that you shall not dump
*untreated* sewage into the water in any inland waters or les than
three miles offshore. It's perfectly legal to dump sewage that has been
treated to standards of fecal coliform count and doesn't contain
"floating solids" less than three miles from shore and in inland
waters, but the smaller boats typically do not have the
appropriate systems that will treat the sewage to meet the standards.
(When you pump out,
the contents of your holding tank get treated, and then dumped right
back into the same waters you've been boating in- same as with onboard
treatment).

If you boat in waters where the legality of discharge varies, you will
need a "Y" valve to divert waste to your holding tank when you are in a
no-discharge area. If you are boarded by the Coast Guard, they will
want to see this Y valve secured in the "holding tank" position (a zip
tie is OK) if you are less than three miles from shore or in inland
waters.

With the continuing increase in "no discharge" zones, (places where
local regulations are stricter than federal regulations and it is
illegal to discharge even properly treated waste), I would probably not
bother with rigging for overboard discharge on a small boat.

Where are you allowed to dump sewage, sterilized and ground up, in inland
waters? I am pretty sure that Minnesota is not one of those places. It
certainly wouldn't do the lake or river much good.

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”


You can't.

http://www.boatus.org/onlinecourse/R...ect/info4c.htm

JimH wrote:


You can't.

http://www.boatus.org/onlinecourse/R...ect/info4c.htm


Jim, you just posted a link to a site that *contradicts* your point!

Direct quote from your link:

Type One MSDs are treatment systems that reduce bacteria and discharge
no visible floating solids.

(Not legal in some state boating areas as well. Check local laws before
installing. Type One MSD systems, such as a head coupled with a
Lectra-San, are legal on vessels less than 65 feet that boat in an area
not declared a Federal No-Discharge Zone.


The fact is that *properly treated* waste can be discharged in any
waters not designated a no-discharge zone.

You are correct regarding untreated waste. It cannot be discharged in
inland waters or less than three miles offshore.

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JimH wrote:


You can't.

http://www.boatus.org/onlinecourse/R...ect/info4c.htm


Jim, you just posted a link to a site that *contradicts* your point!

Direct quote from your link:

Type One MSDs are treatment systems that reduce bacteria and discharge
no visible floating solids.

(Not legal in some state boating areas as well. Check local laws before
installing. Type One MSD systems, such as a head coupled with a
Lectra-San, are legal on vessels less than 65 feet that boat in an area
not declared a Federal No-Discharge Zone.


The fact is that *properly treated* waste can be discharged in any
waters not designated a no-discharge zone.

You are correct regarding untreated waste. It cannot be discharged in
inland waters or less than three miles offshore.


Sorry if I misinterpreted it. I read the table under Sewage System Options
to say that it was illegal for Type I or II to discharge even treated waste
in inland lakes.

Perhaps I need a lesson from Peggy on the fine art and operation of Type I
and II systems. I have always had either Type III or portable systems.

I have never discharged my waste water tank in the past regardless of how
many miles off shore I was.

Regardless, I would not think it would ever be advisable to dump treated or
untreated waste into the water systems in inland lakes.

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

JimH wrote:


You can't.

http://www.boatus.org/onlinecourse/R...ect/info4c.htm


Jim, you just posted a link to a site that *contradicts* your point!

Direct quote from your link:

Type One MSDs are treatment systems that reduce bacteria and discharge
no visible floating solids.

(Not legal in some state boating areas as well. Check local laws before
installing. Type One MSD systems, such as a head coupled with a
Lectra-San, are legal on vessels less than 65 feet that boat in an area
not declared a Federal No-Discharge Zone.


The fact is that *properly treated* waste can be discharged in any
waters not designated a no-discharge zone.

You are correct regarding untreated waste. It cannot be discharged in
inland waters or less than three miles offshore.


Sorry if I misinterpreted it. I read the table under Sewage System Options
to say that it was illegal for Type I or II to discharge even treated waste
in inland lakes.

Perhaps I need a lesson from Peggy on the fine art and operation of Type I
and II systems. I have always had either Type III or portable systems.

I have never discharged my waste water tank in the past regardless of how
many miles off shore I was.

Regardless, I would not think it would ever be advisable to dump treated or
untreated waste into the water systems in inland lakes.


Part of that depends, I think, on the inland lake in question. If
you're going to create a brown haze with even a legal discharge in a
1-acre duck pond, I'd personally recommend not. Same with dockside in a
marina, regardless of the body of water in question. But Lake Superior?
Maybe a different matter.

Riddle me this, (since you live back there in lake country). When the
local sewage utility collects and treats flush water from houses (and
boats) in your community, what does it do with the liquid volume
following treatment? If you don't know, you might want to look into it.
I'd personally be very surprised if your sewage treatment plant doesn't
drain right back into the same body of water upon which a lot of people
boat. (Sometimes back into a stream of water from which people
downstream actually drink!) The only difference between waste that is
properly treated on board to meet the federal standards and then dumped
back into the waterway and waste that is pumped out, directed to the
municipal sewage plant, treated to meet the federal standards and then
dumped back into the waterway is where it's treated- not whether.

wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

JimH wrote:


You can't.

http://www.boatus.org/onlinecourse/R...ect/info4c.htm


Jim, you just posted a link to a site that *contradicts* your point!

Direct quote from your link:

Type One MSDs are treatment systems that reduce bacteria and discharge
no visible floating solids.

(Not legal in some state boating areas as well. Check local laws before
installing. Type One MSD systems, such as a head coupled with a
Lectra-San, are legal on vessels less than 65 feet that boat in an area
not declared a Federal No-Discharge Zone.


The fact is that *properly treated* waste can be discharged in any
waters not designated a no-discharge zone.

You are correct regarding untreated waste. It cannot be discharged in
inland waters or less than three miles offshore.


Sorry if I misinterpreted it. I read the table under Sewage System
Options
to say that it was illegal for Type I or II to discharge even treated
waste
in inland lakes.

Perhaps I need a lesson from Peggy on the fine art and operation of Type
I
and II systems. I have always had either Type III or portable systems.

I have never discharged my waste water tank in the past regardless of how
many miles off shore I was.

Regardless, I would not think it would ever be advisable to dump treated
or
untreated waste into the water systems in inland lakes.


Part of that depends, I think, on the inland lake in question. If
you're going to create a brown haze with even a legal discharge in a
1-acre duck pond, I'd personally recommend not. Same with dockside in a
marina, regardless of the body of water in question. But Lake Superior?
Maybe a different matter.

Riddle me this, (since you live back there in lake country). When the
local sewage utility collects and treats flush water from houses (and
boats) in your community, what does it do with the liquid volume
following treatment? If you don't know, you might want to look into it.
I'd personally be very surprised if your sewage treatment plant doesn't
drain right back into the same body of water upon which a lot of people
boat. (Sometimes back into a stream of water from which people
downstream actually drink!) The only difference between waste that is
properly treated on board to meet the federal standards and then dumped
back into the waterway and waste that is pumped out, directed to the
municipal sewage plant, treated to meet the federal standards and then
dumped back into the waterway is where it's treated- not whether.


You are indeed correct Chuck!

Waste water treatment plants in this (and most) areas discharge *treated*
waste water into streams which then feed into local Lakes or other large
bodies of water. The discharge water is supposed to meet EPA minimum
standards.

For the sake of argument let's say those discharge standards are met. Fine
and good assuming those standards are actually at a level protecting us.

Now what happens during maintenance and over capacity situations? These
situations happen quite regularly and may be planned or unplanned. You
guessed it.............the untreated waste (although it passes through
initial filters and *mixers*) goes directly into the stream, river or other
body of water you may be boating or swimming on/in.

So you riddle me this.........................Why are high bacteria counts
normally recorded at beaches along the Great Lakes (or other waterways)
after storms or at seemingly inane times?

You guessed it!

You think you are protected? Guess again!

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oups.com...

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

JimH wrote:


You can't.

http://www.boatus.org/onlinecourse/R...ect/info4c.htm


Jim, you just posted a link to a site that *contradicts* your point!

Direct quote from your link:

Type One MSDs are treatment systems that reduce bacteria and
discharge
no visible floating solids.

(Not legal in some state boating areas as well. Check local laws
before
installing. Type One MSD systems, such as a head coupled with a
Lectra-San, are legal on vessels less than 65 feet that boat in an
area
not declared a Federal No-Discharge Zone.


The fact is that *properly treated* waste can be discharged in any
waters not designated a no-discharge zone.

You are correct regarding untreated waste. It cannot be discharged
in
inland waters or less than three miles offshore.


Sorry if I misinterpreted it. I read the table under Sewage System
Options
to say that it was illegal for Type I or II to discharge even treated
waste
in inland lakes.

Perhaps I need a lesson from Peggy on the fine art and operation of
Type I
and II systems. I have always had either Type III or portable
systems.

I have never discharged my waste water tank in the past regardless of
how
many miles off shore I was.

Regardless, I would not think it would ever be advisable to dump
treated or
untreated waste into the water systems in inland lakes.


Part of that depends, I think, on the inland lake in question. If
you're going to create a brown haze with even a legal discharge in a
1-acre duck pond, I'd personally recommend not. Same with dockside in a
marina, regardless of the body of water in question. But Lake Superior?
Maybe a different matter.

Riddle me this, (since you live back there in lake country). When the
local sewage utility collects and treats flush water from houses (and
boats) in your community, what does it do with the liquid volume
following treatment? If you don't know, you might want to look into it.
I'd personally be very surprised if your sewage treatment plant doesn't
drain right back into the same body of water upon which a lot of people
boat. (Sometimes back into a stream of water from which people
downstream actually drink!) The only difference between waste that is
properly treated on board to meet the federal standards and then dumped
back into the waterway and waste that is pumped out, directed to the
municipal sewage plant, treated to meet the federal standards and then
dumped back into the waterway is where it's treated- not whether.

That last statement is utterly and completely untrue. Check the
standards for wastewater treatment, secondary and tertiary. Here in
Rochester, the discharge from the sewage plant is arguable cleaner than
the river it goes into. One can not say that for finely ground
sterilized stuff from any treatment on a boat. Municipal treatment first
settles the solids, then treats the liquid with an activated sludge
process to remove organic pollutants. In some places it is further
treated to remove Phosphorus. Only then is it discharged.

Here is the regulation for Minnesota...
Under state law, toilets on board vessels must be no-discharge devices
(see exceptions below). Waste must be retained on board for proper
disposal after returning to shore. If you have a recreational vessel with
installed toilet facilities, it must have an operable marine sanitation
device (MSD) on board......Type I and II USCG-certified
treatment/discharge marine sanitation devices are currently legal on the
Mississippi River below Lock and Dam #2 (at Hastings) and on Lake
Superior. This is a result of the federal preemption of state law. MSDs
on boats less than 65 feet in length must be USCG-certified Type I or II.

del cecchi

Del Cecchi wrote:


Where are you allowed to dump sewage, sterilized and ground up, in
inland waters? I am pretty sure that Minnesota is not one of those
places. It certainly wouldn't do the lake or river much good.

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn't necessarily represent IBM's positions,
strategies or opinions."

Go thou and read the regulations. You may not dump *untreated* sewage
in inland waters, or less than 3 miles offshore. You may not dump even
treated sewage in a "no-discharge" zone, but absent a local
no-discharge law law federal regulations allow you to dump *properly
treated* sewage anywhere.

Read the law he

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...2----000-.html


Nothing prevents Minnesota from declaring any or all of its waters a
no-discharge zone. Unless Minnesota has done so or elects to do so, it
is legal to discharge sewage treated to specific standards of fecal
coliform content, etc, into the waters of that state.

wrote in message
ups.com...

Del Cecchi wrote:


Where are you allowed to dump sewage, sterilized and ground up, in
inland waters? I am pretty sure that Minnesota is not one of those
places. It certainly wouldn't do the lake or river much good.

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn't necessarily represent IBM's
positions,
strategies or opinions."

Go thou and read the regulations. You may not dump *untreated* sewage
in inland waters, or less than 3 miles offshore. You may not dump even
treated sewage in a "no-discharge" zone, but absent a local
no-discharge law law federal regulations allow you to dump *properly
treated* sewage anywhere.

Read the law he

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...2----000-.html


Nothing prevents Minnesota from declaring any or all of its waters a
no-discharge zone. Unless Minnesota has done so or elects to do so, it
is legal to discharge sewage treated to specific standards of fecal
coliform content, etc, into the waters of that state.

Surprise surprise surprise. That is exactly what Minnesota has done.
How about Washington?