Low-head dam drowning on Yakima River, WA State
 

Cyli wrote:
On 14 Jun 2006 18:48:36 -0700, "Tinkerntom" wrote:


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I apologize Wilko for requesting your response to my questions, on this
memorial post to your friend Scott, but hopefully you will help me out
with the info I requested, so that I would not have to post on other
special occaisions in order to get your attention! TnT

You should apologize to everyone who reads the newsgroup. Keep your
little flame spats out of normal posts, please.

I don't care if you're the troll / whatever he thinks you are, but
when you do things like that, you certainly lose credibility as a
useful or interesting poster.


Cyli, I apologize to you and to everyone that reads this newgroup, that
I found it necessary to acost Wilko for his statements regarding Tnt,
however, I have put up with his nastiness for a long time now without
saying anything! The rest of you readers may be totally innocent, and
unaware of this web-bullying and abuse perpetrated by Wilko on me and
on Sees-koo-wee-hah-nay! This could just as easily be you, if you are
a newbie as Sees-koo-wee-hah-nay is, and as I was 2 years ago when all
this started. That I returned only recently, and posted on topic, and
had Wilko flame me out of the blue, was dissapointing to me. That you
Cyli call for my apology, and say nothing to Wilko, and demand his
apology, is equally dissapointing! That you don't want to be bothered
by this little flame spat, only show how insulated to the real world
you have become. If my credibility with you as a useful or interesting
poster, is dependent on my being willing to allow Wilko to have his way
with me, forget it! He may be a web-bully, but I have learned a few
things over the last few years of posting, and I know that I have
plenty of credibility without your approval or interest.

It is nice to know that you are listening, and that you apparently care

about RBP. My request for info has nothing to do with Wilko having
identified me as a troll! He is free to judge me a troll on whatever
grounds he chooses. That is a subject to be worked on later!

My question has to do with him identifying me as
Sees-koo-wee-hah-nay, of whom I am not equated in any way. So if there
is abuse going on here, I would venture that Wilko in his web site and
here in usenet is guilty of being a web-bully, and abuser!

I was more than content to stick my head in the RBP and say hi from
time to time and do some posting about paddling. I even tried last
Fall, to establish a new alias to come here with no history and start
over, with a new persona. At the time I was willing to drop the TnT
nym, and just try to get along with folks and just talk boating. That
attempt was hijacked by certain individuals, namely Wilko and Kman, who

did not want me posting here under any name, that they were able to
associate with TnT. They were very proud of their sleuthing skills, and

were sure to let me know that they did not want me here under
RkyMtnHootOwl, or more recently Hanta-Yo-Yo. So TnT spent the last few
months taking a sabatical from RBP, and only returned recently when I
found that Wilko has been defaming TInkernTom on his website all along.



Ironically, I have posted under other names here in RBP in the
meantime, to which
various ones have replied, and none seemed to be particularly bothered.

Apparently Wilko's sleuthing skills are not all he has them cranked up
to be.


That he should call TnT, OvO, HYY a troll is one thing, but to
associate this other gentleman as a troll alias of mine, he either owes

me an apology, and or, Sees-koo-wee-hah-nay an apology for sure.
Sees-koo-wee-hah-nay has posted here less than 15 times since April,
and not before according to my google search, and in those post, I
could find no reason for him to be labeled as a troll, or to be equated

to Tinkerntom, as Wilko has done. If Wilko, or any of you have further

info on Sees-koo-wee-hah-nay that indicates that he is a troll, then I
would be interested in that info, for I do not want to be associated
with someone who is defaming my name and reputation, or vice versus. I
think it is patently unfair for a newbie in the group to be labeled a
troll, because you feel he is one of my aliases!


It seems that Wilko was the one to start this little tif with me, and
all I ask, is for him to provide some proof of his claim, or apologize
and STFU! I was and still am interested in boating, but I am not
interested in getting mugged everytime I show up here, nor do I put my
tail between my legs and slink off like it seems some of you old timers

think I and other newbies should do it deference to your royal asses.


You are welcome to file any report to , and I am sure
they will come racing to your aid, to keep me from posting in the RBP
in such a way that it upsets your tea kettles. Until then I will
continue to post, and if it upsets you, I would suggest that you get
with Wilko, sort this out and provide me either the proof that I
desire, or the apologies, and then, and only then will I decide to
leave the RBP. If that disturbs your solitude, then be disturbed. TnT
OvO HYY


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Low-head dam drowning on Yakima River, WA State
 

riverman wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

Wilko wrote:
wrote:
"riverman" wrote:

Think about that carefully for a second. Crawl on the bottom? With all
that
current and turbulence? This is the problem when hypotheticals become
anecdotal. Does anyone know of anyone who has 'crawled along the
bottom of
the river'

I seem to recall that a person got stuck in Charlie's Hole (where
Scott Bristow was killed in 98) on the Great Falls section of the
Potomac, and crawled out along the bottom. From what I heard (which
may be urban legend) the bottom of the hole is a boulder pile with
water flowing thru the boulders so it is not exactly like a low head
dam.

The hole looks a bit like a hand with the palm pointed up, the water
flows between the fingers, with the left and right rocks next to the
hole being the thumb and little finger. Any wood sticking between the
fingers turns it into a very effective sieve.

From having stood on the edge of the rock next to Charlie's hole
(trying to look for Scott's body), I remember that it was so violent (at
that water level) that I seriously doubt that anyone could crawl out
against that current.
That's just my opinion...

IIRC someone went for a swim that morning (or the day before) before
Scott died, and he managed to get out alive. Don't remember what he did
to get out though.



I apologize Wilko for requesting your response to my questions, on this
memorial post to your friend Scott, but hopefully you will help me out
with the info I requested, so that I would not have to post on other
special occaisions in order to get your attention! TnT


Hi Tom:
Threatening to become a nusiance to prove that you're not a troll? That will
easily support your claim of not being a netkook. Be sure to cover it with
the caveat that 'he started it'.

--riverman

I did as you said, and pointed out that Wilko started this! If he had
let by gones be by gones, we would not be involved in this conversation
at all. That he has it figured out that he believes that TnT, OvO and
HYY is a troll, is not really the issue. That he is so astute to make
this determination, is a testimony of his half ass web skills and
nothing else. That he is a web-bully and net-kook in his own standing,
is unquestioned by others outside these hallowed halls of RBP.

With the outstanding attendence and volumous posting that goes on here
in RBP these days, I think that the undertaker should be building a
little box for what remains of this group. That most have moved on, is
an indicator, that most have moved on! I have found them on other
sites, and had good conversations with them, and found that their
biggest objection to the RBP, as they chuckled, are the self appointed
net nannys who want to run the show.

Many new boaters that checked out the RBP, chose not to stick around
the good old boys club that has gone over the hill, and have only
stories about the good old days! Sorry riverman, but you are a has
been! I am sure that is not a news flash for you as you try to do the
things you use to do, and the old bones don't work so well anymore!

So if you find it possible to get with Wilko, and provide the info that
I desire, and the apology that should be forth coming, then I would be
very appreciative, and most likely would be more than glad to just move
on myself, and leave RBP for you good old boys! TnT