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A Bayliner thread
At least it's on topic. :-)
********* AT THE RAMP No byline Family Values In an era when the trend among manufacturers seems to be creating vessels for that small section of the market with unlimited financial resources, the affordable family boat has become somewhat forsaken. Exploring the Pacific NW by boat or enjoying the wide variety of water-related recreational activities available in our region will strengthen family ties as well as foster the next generation of boaters. It's always a pleasure to report on a vessel designed and priced to make boating accessible and enjoyable to increasing numbers of people. This month's "At the Ramp" features a boat that could be described as a "family cruiser." Many trailer boats are highly refined for fishing, for skiing or wakeboarding, or for other specific activities. Some of the most specialized craft excel at their designated tasks, but are only marginally adaptable to other uses. The Bayliner 265 is a multi-purpose boat that can be used for fishing, diving, or high-speed watersports and still be a fully functional family cruiser for weekend explorations and summer vacations. We inspected a 2006 Bayliner 265 at the Bellevue office of Olympic Boat Centers. Sales specialist Paris Woodard has been stationed aboard the 265 at recent boat shows, and he knows the product very well. As Paris showed us through the 265, it was easy to detect that not only is he thoroughly informed about the features and options of this specific model, he is also genuinely enthused with the boat. Bayliner is constantly surveying its current and prospective owners and has never been reluctant to make product modifications and upgrades to integrate the desires and preferences expressed. Paris told us, "The 265 was introduced in response to a demand for a larger boat, but in a package with an 8'6" beam. This is a boat that can be used for fishing, diving, watersports, or for two-week excursions in Desolation Sound, but it can still be towed without a special permit." On Deck We began noticing some thoughtful design elements as soon as we stepped onto the fully integrated swim platform with its aggressive non-skid surface. Paris pointed out that the platform is large enough for safe and secure footing when netting or gaffing a fish. A transom locker conceals the shorepower connection, and a slot in the locker door will permit excess cable to be stowed within the closed confines of the locker rather than draped across a deck. "There is room for dive tanks on the starboard side of this locker," remarked Paris, "and the hand shower built-in next to the transom door can be used to rinse the salt off when swimmers or divers come back aboard, as well as for cleaning fish." Paris pointed out a folding table next to the sink and beverage holders on the starboard side of the cockpit, and he noted that the table could be used either for preparing drinks and snacks or filleting the catch of the day. A transom seat and portside snack table can be removed from the cockpit to free up additional space for fishing and then quickly reinstalled for socializing. Bayliner includes a standard ice chest to fit in a designated enclosure below the port lounge seat. The cooler could be used for keeping beverages iced down for a party, for keeping salmon or bottom fish fresh, or to extend the cold storage capabilities of the fridge and freezer in the galley. The starboard helm includes a swiveling bucket seat that will enable the skipper to join in any on-deck socializing when not underway. The non-glare dash console includes a standard compass, a depth sounder, a complete set of analog gauges, a tilt wheel feature, and still leaves a flat space just inboard from the wheel where many boaters would likely install a combination radar, GPS plotter, and fish finder. Paris told us that Olympic orders virtually all of its 265 models with the aluminum wakeboard tower that is designed to double as a radar arch. Bayliner left a space intended for the owner's choice of optional VHF radio. An obvious method of providing the maximum amount of deck and cabin space for a vessel of narrow beam is elimination of the side decks. They will never be missed on a Bayliner 265, as lines and fenders aft of the windshield can be conveniently handled from the cockpit. A set of non-skid steps molded into the cabin door provide secure access (even for wet feet in lumpy seas) through the walk-through windshield to a "grippy" foredeck with full perimeter stainless rails. Paris pointed out that Bayliner provides a bimini top as a standard feature on the 265, and that Olympic orders its inventory with the full camper canvas for boaters unwilling to let anything except the most severely uncomfortable conditions curtail an afternoon or weekend on the water. Based simply on sales volume, Bayliner dominates the affordable family boating sector in a way that few companies in any industry can claim to do. As we evaluated the concept and inspected fit and finish on deck, it was reassuring to note that nearly everything was done to a commendable standard. Even an "affordable" boat will represent a significant investment for most owners, and a level of expenditure at which pride of ownership should not be diminished by substandard layup or ricky-ticky workmanship. With either the standard white or the available colored gel coat hull, gleaming stainless rails, flowing lines, smartly styled UV-resistant marine vinyl upholstery, and jaunty wakeboard tower, beaming owners will notice the Bayliner 265 drawing admiring glances and approving nods in every port. Interior Layout The first thought that occurred to us as we descended the companionway steps into the cabin of the 265 was, "Honey, they shrunk a yacht!" There is over six feet of headroom in any area of the main cabin where one would ordinarily be standing up. Without skimping on deck space, Bayliner managed to include an incredible number of features in a cabin design that perpetuates the company's long-standing reputation for making optimal use of limited space. "When I'm showing people around this boat at a show," said Paris, "I ask them to have a seat up here on the forward settee and tell me if they notice anything different from other boats they may have been looking at. Most of them are pretty excited when they reply they can see out of the large windows on either side of the boat. Bayliner always strives to include windows that people can see out of when sitting in the cabin of its larger boats, and that concept has been incorporated here on the 265. This settee will convert into a sleeping area for two adults or at least two kids, and there's no longer any need to try to find some remote location to stow the extra cushions when this area is used for dining or socializing instead of sleeping. The aft bolster cushions on each side of the settee are removed to form the bottom cushions for the bunk, and then simply snap back into place to rebuild the settee." We counted six overhead lights in the main cabin, with laminate finished joinery and solid surface cabinetry in the galley. Seams were straight in the upholstered gunwales and headliner. There was no visual indication that we were aboard one of the least expensive 27-foot boats in the industry. A compact but capable galley fixture is located to port, just aft of the settee and at the base of the companionway. An alcohol/electric stove top, stainless steel sink, and a compact refrigerator with a small freezer compartment should prove sufficient for most cooking tasks underway. A second galley work space is to starboard, where a built-in microwave oven will handle warming and baking chores when there is AC power available. A six-gallon hot water heater is standard. Boating families will appreciate the convenience and privacy of the fully enclosed head in the aft starboard quarter of the main cabin. A marine toilet is plumbed to a holding tank, and the spigot portion of the hand basin faucet can be pulled out to use as a hand shower. All surfaces in the head are waterproof and easily cleaned. With toilet tissue and dry towels stowed safely behind a locker door, one can shower with abandon. It would be difficult to think of many 27-foot boats with a private master stateroom, but the Bayliner 265 can easily claim at least a semi-private stateroom with an oversized double bunk. A privacy curtain separates the stateroom, located under the forward portion of the cockpit, from kids or guests in the main cabin. Standard and Optional Power The standard engine and drive for the Bayliner 265 is the 5.0L MerCruiser mated to an Alpha I. Olympic orders its 265 Cruisers with the optional 5.0L MPI and Bravo III outdrive. Paris shared some of the reasons why. "With the larger Bravo III drive you get the duo prop design, and that improves handling and speed while allowing more efficient operation." Data published by Bayliner report that the 260-hp 5.0L MerCruiser MPI and Bravo III will deliver a cruising speed of 28.3 mph (burning 12.4 gph) or can be opened up to sprint at 40.9 mph at WOT (21.7 gph). Maximum cruising range with the 5.0L is 154 miles. Paris said, "Bayliner's performance figures are calculated at cruise load weight, which consists of a boat with typical options, passengers, fuel, water, required safety gear, and adequate stores. For example the above figures were achieved with 2,401 pounds in the boat. These are real-world conditions, so our customers can count on achieving similar results." Additional engine options for the Bayliner 265 include the 5.7L MerCruiser and the 5.7 MPI (350 Magnum) MerCruiser, both with the Bravo III. The 5.7L MerCruiser will cruise at 26.4 mph (11.1 gph) and top out at 39.4 mph (20.3 gph). Boaters desiring the maximum available speed will opt for the MerCruiser MPI 350 Magnum and cruise at 31.4 mph (13.7 gph) or reach 43.1 mph at wide open throttle. Maximum range with the 5.7L Mercruiser is 161 miles, and 155 miles with the 350 Magnum. Conclusion Pacific NW boaters looking for a very versatile and trailerable boat capable of providing a wide range of enjoyable boating experiences should consider the Bayliner 265. The vessel not only has the potential to foster some important family values, but it is an outstanding value in its own right. Paris told us that with the usual Olympic Boat Centers' upgrades (including the 5.0L MPI MerCruiser with FWC and Bravo III, full camper canvas, snap-in carpet runners, macerating head, wakeboard tower, and more), the 265 is typically offered during sales for as little as $62,997. Heck, you pay more than $63,000 in sales tax alone for a lot of boats, with no guarantee of ever having any more fun than can be enjoyed aboard this surprisingly complete but compact family cruiser. For additional information about the Bayliner 265 or any other Bayliner, Trophy, Maxum, or Meridian boat, please contact Olympic Boat Centers at ............. or visit the website at boatnut.com. Photos: No credit AtTheRamp01 NWJun0706: The new Bayliner 265 is a compact family cruiser. AtTheRamp02 NWJun0706: Paris Woodard of Olympic Boat Centers. AtTheRamp03 NWJun0706: Non-glare console with space reserved for plotter or radar. AtTheRamp04 NWJun0706: Engine hatch opens wide for easy access. AtTheRamp05 NWJun0706: Compact but capable galley with sink, stove, fridge, freezer, and stowage. AtTheRamp06 NWJun0706: Entry and headboard bolster for semi-private owner's stateroom. AtTheRamp07 NWJun0706: Forward portion of main cabin seats six for dinner; sleeps two when converted. Call-outs: Beaming owners will notice the Bayliner 265 drawing admiring glances and approving nods in every port. A cabin design that perpetuates the company's long-standing reputation for making optimal use of limited space. Sidebar: Bayliner 265 Specifications LOA: 27'0" Beam: 8'6" Draft (max): 3'3" Deadrise: 17º Approximate weight: 5,750 lb Bridge clearance (max): 6'9" Fuel capacity: 75 g Water capacity: 20 g Holding tank: 20 g |
A Bayliner thread
Harry Krause wrote: wrote: At least it's on topic. :-) ********* AT THE RAMP No byline Family Values Call-outs: Beaming owners will notice the Bayliner 265 drawing admiring glances and approving nods in every port. Well, giggles maybe. Sidebar: Bayliner 265 Specifications LOA: 27'0" Beam: 8'6" Draft (max): 3'3" Deadrise: 17º Approximate weight: 5,750 lb Bridge clearance (max): 6'9" Fuel capacity: 75 g Water capacity: 20 g Holding tank: 20 g A 27-foot, 6000-pound "cruising boat" with a V8 engine and a 75 gallon gas tank? :-) Gives it about 100-mile range, give or take, with prudent reserve and longer if you want to get down to the fumes. Wouldn't work at all for your type of offshore sport fishing, but in a lot of places around the country, (including here in the Pacific NW), a typical weekend cruise could be 40-60 miles round trip. Boaters on large freshwater lakes might cover 10-20 miles in a "busy" day. But you are very right- if you have to run 30, 40, or 50 miles into the Atlantic to find a fish you would want a boat with longer range. This boat is a "family cruiser", not a fish killer- but it would be suitable for a variety of casual fishing adventures. "Data published by Bayliner report that the 260-hp 5.0L MerCruiser MPI and Bravo III will deliver a cruising speed of 28.3 mph (burning 12.4 gph) or can be opened up to sprint at 40.9 mph at WOT (21.7 gph). Maximum cruising range with the 5.0L is 154 miles." The fuel burn figures are too low. They should be pretty accurate with the specified weight. In practice they will be low because people tend to load boats pretty heavily, may not trim them efficiently, don't keep their engines and props in top shape, and will either have bottom paint or "hair" creating a bit of drag as well. Do you have some conflicting fuel consumption data, or are you just automatically leery because the tests were conducted by the mfg? |
A Bayliner thread
Harry Krause wrote:
I did happen to see a new Bayliner at the ramp the other day, though, and immediately noticed that its deck hardware was far too small for a boat its size. Harry, This is fairly typical of "family" boats, even when you spend considerable more than Bayliner. I don't think it is a matter of cost, I think it is a matter of aesthetics. They don't want anything to detract from the graceful lines of a bubble boat. It isn't like you would actually want to use a 1/2" or 5/8" line on a 6,000 lb boat. Can't you tie up the Queen Mary with a 3/8" line? -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it. |
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Yeah, make us Google...
http://www.bayliner.com/cruisers.asp...4216&year=2005 It says you can do it all with this boat...gee :) JR wrote: At least it's on topic. :-) -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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Christ- no marine head option...a Portapotti on a 27ft $46K boat. Sorry-
SWMBO would NOT go to the San Juans with me in that. No power fridge. No hot water. Nothing about the cleats- prolly plastic or Zamac. *Some* of these things *could* be upgraded after purchase; some at unreasonable expense. BUT: 17° deadrise- too flat for comfy anchoring or rough water. Looks reeeealy tall and bleach-bottly; clearly going for 6'+ headroom in the forward cabin. Overnighting in a windy anchorage would be pretty rough. JR wrote: -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
A Bayliner thread
JR North wrote: Christ- no marine head option...a Portapotti on a 27ft $46K boat. Sorry- SWMBO would NOT go to the San Juans with me in that. No power fridge. No hot water. Nothing about the cleats- prolly plastic or Zamac. ??????? Where are you coming up with the portapotti thing? Certainly not in the boat described in this thread. Dual voltage fridge/freezer in this boat. Six gallon hot water tank. *Some* of these things *could* be upgraded after purchase; some at unreasonable expense. BUT: 17° deadrise- too flat for comfy anchoring or rough water. Looks reeeealy tall and bleach-bottly; clearly going for 6'+ headroom in the forward cabin. Overnighting in a windy anchorage would be pretty rough. JR wrote: -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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Gene Kearns wrote: On 27 May 2006 07:07:57 -0700, penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: At least it's on topic. :-) ********* AT THE RAMP No byline Family Values What sort of a reviewer would spend 1500 words describing a boat without using the word "quality" just once? "Quality", like beauty, can be a fairly subjective value. A really first class description of a boat would provide you enough information to form your own opinion of overall quality. FWIW, my opinion of the "quality" of this boat was that it is adequately built to provide safe and comfortable service under the conditions the average "family cruiser" will typically encounter. All boats have shortcomings, including this one, but it does offer a lot of boat for the buck. If you have a highly specialized primary use, (like fishing, water skiing, etc) there are more specialized boats that would perform better in those applications. The attractive aspect of a boat like this will be, for many people, its ability to do several things fairly well rather than one single thing exceptionally well. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats |
A Bayliner thread
Harry Krause wrote:
wrote: Gene Kearns wrote: On 27 May 2006 07:07:57 -0700, penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: At least it's on topic. :-) ********* AT THE RAMP No byline Family Values What sort of a reviewer would spend 1500 words describing a boat without using the word "quality" just once? "Quality", like beauty, can be a fairly subjective value. A really first class description of a boat would provide you enough information to form your own opinion of overall quality. FWIW, my opinion of the "quality" of this boat was that it is adequately built to provide safe and comfortable service under the conditions the average "family cruiser" will typically encounter. Well that would be enough to scare me away. I prefer my boats and my women to be "built." Yes sir..you want to be able to ride 'em hard & put 'em away wet! |
A Bayliner thread
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... I don't know Harry. Seem reasonable to me for the weight and speed. Correct me please if I am wrong, but didn't you opt for the larger fuel tank in your Parker? 150 gal, if I recall. Yet, you often speak of running with only half a tank to save on fuel burn. So, you "fill-up" to 75 gallons, same as the 27 foot Bayliner. Two feet bigger .... ummmm ... maybe there's a Bayliner in your future. RCE No, the tank I got with my Parker is the standard tank. I fill half way up unless I am going somewhere distant. I know. Just trying to bust your chops a bit. RCE |
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