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Jack Goff wrote: What bothers me abouty this whole thing is that we have "experts" trying to tell us what it's going to be like in the year 2100. Hell, the weatherman can't tell us what the weather will be like 5 days from now with any kind of decent accuracy! Weather is simple compared to *climate*, and we're supposed to put faith in these predictions? Jack 5 days? Try 5 hrs. |
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Black Dog wrote: On a happier on topic note, I think we are FINALLY going to launch the boat tomorrow. Whew! Stella That's my plan too! |
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Black Dog wrote:
It bothers me that people who are refered to as "scientists" (I don't know if they call themselves that) treat the results of modelling experiments like they were real data. That's not at all accurate in my experience. Having spent most of a career designing circuits by simulation I can assure you it is obvious that simulations are only as good as the associated models. Models are developed and qualified by comparing their behavior to actual measurements. There is even an old saying that serves as a warning "simulation is a lot like masturbation, if you do it enough it starts to feel like the real thing." -rick- |
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"Jack Goff" wrote in message ... On 26 May 2006 10:47:52 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: Now, remember, I never said that human activity is wholly responsible for global warming. That the earth is currently experiencing a small upswing in temps is pretty much an undeniable fact. What bothers me abouty this whole thing is that we have "experts" trying to tell us what it's going to be like in the year 2100. Hell, the weatherman can't tell us what the weather will be like 5 days from now with any kind of decent accuracy! Weather is simple compared to *climate*, and we're supposed to put faith in these predictions? Jack Global warming alarmists are no different than religous fanatics. (and in reality, just another brand) You must believe in their particular brand or you are a heritic. Anything out of the ordinary that happens has roots in their beliefs. There is the constant proclamations of the "end of day" Those that express their disbelief are shouted down etc. etc. Global warming, and their alarmists, are a fraud. http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=081204D |
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"P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jack Goff" wrote in message ... On 26 May 2006 10:47:52 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: Now, remember, I never said that human activity is wholly responsible for global warming. That the earth is currently experiencing a small upswing in temps is pretty much an undeniable fact. What bothers me abouty this whole thing is that we have "experts" trying to tell us what it's going to be like in the year 2100. Hell, the weatherman can't tell us what the weather will be like 5 days from now with any kind of decent accuracy! Weather is simple compared to *climate*, and we're supposed to put faith in these predictions? Jack Global warming alarmists are no different than religous fanatics. (and in reality, just another brand) You must believe in their particular brand or you are a heritic. Anything out of the ordinary that happens has roots in their beliefs. There is the constant proclamations of the "end of day" Those that express their disbelief are shouted down etc. etc. If it were found to be true (the connection between warming and human activity), how would you then decide which scientist hadn't been a fanatic? |
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On Sat, 27 May 2006 12:15:08 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jack Goff" wrote in message ... On 26 May 2006 10:47:52 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: Now, remember, I never said that human activity is wholly responsible for global warming. That the earth is currently experiencing a small upswing in temps is pretty much an undeniable fact. What bothers me abouty this whole thing is that we have "experts" trying to tell us what it's going to be like in the year 2100. Hell, the weatherman can't tell us what the weather will be like 5 days from now with any kind of decent accuracy! Weather is simple compared to *climate*, and we're supposed to put faith in these predictions? Jack Global warming alarmists are no different than religous fanatics. (and in reality, just another brand) You must believe in their particular brand or you are a heritic. Anything out of the ordinary that happens has roots in their beliefs. There is the constant proclamations of the "end of day" Those that express their disbelief are shouted down etc. etc. If it were found to be true (the connection between warming and human activity), how would you then decide which scientist hadn't been a fanatic? You may be missing the point. It's not that most people don't acknowledge some type of connection between warming and human activity. Rather, it's whether or not human activity plays a *significant* role in the equation, and if anything we might do could make any measurable difference whatsoever. Jack |
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"Jack Goff" wrote in message
... Global warming alarmists are no different than religous fanatics. (and in reality, just another brand) You must believe in their particular brand or you are a heritic. Anything out of the ordinary that happens has roots in their beliefs. There is the constant proclamations of the "end of day" Those that express their disbelief are shouted down etc. etc. If it were found to be true (the connection between warming and human activity), how would you then decide which scientist hadn't been a fanatic? You may be missing the point. It's not that most people don't acknowledge some type of connection between warming and human activity. Rather, it's whether or not human activity plays a *significant* role in the equation, and if anything we might do could make any measurable difference whatsoever. Jack I'm not missing the point. If you acknowledge the connection, then logically, you must stop calling any scientist a political fanatic. |
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 21:38:28 -0700, -rick- wrote:
Black Dog wrote: It bothers me that people who are refered to as "scientists" (I don't know if they call themselves that) treat the results of modelling experiments like they were real data. That's not at all accurate in my experience. Having spent most of a career designing circuits by simulation I can assure you it is obvious that simulations are only as good as the associated models. Models are developed and qualified by comparing their behavior to actual measurements. There is even an old saying that serves as a warning "simulation is a lot like masturbation, if you do it enough it starts to feel like the real thing." -rick- If by "circuits" you mean electronic circuits, that's a whole different kettle of fish. Electronic circuit simulators are a well-developed, fairly mature technology. Even RF circuits can be modeled fairly accurately. These simulators have the advantage that you point out... "Models are developed and qualified by comparing their behavior to actual measurements." Simulating and modeling climate change 94 years in the future does not have that advantage. Scientist have no test climate that they can introduce variables into, and no time machine to travel 94 years into the future to measure the results. Therefore, unlike your circuit simulator, there is no way to check the output of their climate simulator against real-world results to verify its accuracy. As previously discussed, weather models can't tell us with any decent accuracy what it will be like in 5 days. Are you really telling me that you believe a climate model for 94 years into the future? Jack |
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On Sat, 27 May 2006 14:00:02 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message .. . Global warming alarmists are no different than religous fanatics. (and in reality, just another brand) You must believe in their particular brand or you are a heritic. Anything out of the ordinary that happens has roots in their beliefs. There is the constant proclamations of the "end of day" Those that express their disbelief are shouted down etc. etc. If it were found to be true (the connection between warming and human activity), how would you then decide which scientist hadn't been a fanatic? You may be missing the point. It's not that most people don't acknowledge some type of connection between warming and human activity. Rather, it's whether or not human activity plays a *significant* role in the equation, and if anything we might do could make any measurable difference whatsoever. Jack I'm not missing the point. If you acknowledge the connection, then logically, you must stop calling any scientist a political fanatic. I didn't call anyone a fanatic. That was someone else. However, whether or not there's a connection has little to do with a scientist being a political fanatic. Being correct on a single theory does not preclude one from being a fanatic. |
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"Jack Goff" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 May 2006 14:00:02 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message . .. Global warming alarmists are no different than religous fanatics. (and in reality, just another brand) You must believe in their particular brand or you are a heritic. Anything out of the ordinary that happens has roots in their beliefs. There is the constant proclamations of the "end of day" Those that express their disbelief are shouted down etc. etc. If it were found to be true (the connection between warming and human activity), how would you then decide which scientist hadn't been a fanatic? You may be missing the point. It's not that most people don't acknowledge some type of connection between warming and human activity. Rather, it's whether or not human activity plays a *significant* role in the equation, and if anything we might do could make any measurable difference whatsoever. Jack I'm not missing the point. If you acknowledge the connection, then logically, you must stop calling any scientist a political fanatic. I didn't call anyone a fanatic. That was someone else. However, whether or not there's a connection has little to do with a scientist being a political fanatic. Being correct on a single theory does not preclude one from being a fanatic. It is comical how the Global Warming Alarmists react. Anyone that doesn't believe in the creed is "in denial" or has been bought by the "evil corporate conspiracy" Have you noticed at almost every alarmist has socialist leanings, some even wish to eliminate humans from the earth, they also have short memories........forgetting the "coming ice age" doomsday predictions of the 70's. |
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