On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:07:13 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:28:09 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

PS. Are there any crabcake sandwiches better than that $20 bugger at
Stoney's in Brooms Island? My wife wants a crabcake sandwich for our 20th
anniversary tomorrow.
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'Til next time,

John H

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I think Annapolis Seafood has better cakes, at half the price, but not
much ambiance.


Digiovanni's Dock Of The Bay in Solomons is also better than Stoneys,
though I have not had crabcakes there.

Gotta be crabcakes, and I'm not taking chances at Didiovanni's. Don't you
know some little dive place on the Patuxent that has crabcakes *and*
ambience?

I can't take her to a damn grocery store for our anniversary!
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John H

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On Wed, 24 May 2006 00:03:29 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Dan Krueger wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers wrote:

Harry,
Since your current engine does the job without any problems, and your
current usage would never justify the expense of the new engine, why
would you consider buying a new engine ?


For a 4000-rpm, 30-mph cruise with a half load of fuel, and three or
four adults aboard. To get that 30 mph now, I have to run a little
higher than 4000 rpm. On calm days, I like to run at 30.


Is the 300 going to have the same block? If not, it will be heavier
and add even more to the load.

Bigger motors burn more fuel at all RPM's so how do you think you will
save $$?

Dan



Do you actually read posts before you comment?

I didn't say I was looking to save money. I am looking to run 30 mph at
4000 rpm. I expect my fuel burn will be a bit more than the 10-11 gph I
burn now at cruise, but not much more.

The 300, I am told, has a totally new block, and is not a punched-out
F225/F250.

This is all conjecture, anyway. I'm mellow about it. You should be, too.

Rough night?

Of course I read the posts but I think that was two questions and one
comment based solely on one of the questions.

So you want to buy a bigger motor for a boat you want to sell and spend
more on fuel, too.

Or you just really like 30 mph at 4000 rpms and are willing to repower
to get that all to happen.

Thanks for the clarification, and I'm very mellow.

Dan

Harry's gonna get in trouble for braggin' !
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Don't worry too much joining the four stroke club.

Now that you're well into your thirties, it isn't all that unusual to
require four strokes to develop the same sort of motive power that you
can remember from the glory days when two strokes were sufficient. As
the hull gets heavier and slower and picks up a few nicks and barnacles
it is very common to require a four stroke to sustain performance.

The good news is that reports from satisfied users of the four stroke
models indicate a general impression that the ride is more
sophisticated, refined, and somewhat smoother than the high speed two
stroke units. A two stroke is just perfect if your intention is to
sprint as quickly as possible to the finish line, but for a long
sustained run you will discover that the four stroke has a number of
advantages.

Like the outboard repairman once told me:
"As long as you can get it started with no more than just a few pulls,
you can continue to get a lot of enjoyable service from a beat up old
Johnson."

Harry Krause wrote:
wrote:
Don't worry too much joining the four stroke club.

Now that you're well into your thirties, it isn't all that unusual to
require four strokes to develop the same sort of motive power that you
can remember from the glory days when two strokes were sufficient. As
the hull gets heavier and slower and picks up a few nicks and barnacles
it is very common to require a four stroke to sustain performance.

The good news is that reports from satisfied users of the four stroke
models indicate a general impression that the ride is more
sophisticated, refined, and somewhat smoother than the high speed two
stroke units. A two stroke is just perfect if your intention is to
sprint as quickly as possible to the finish line, but for a long
sustained run you will discover that the four stroke has a number of
advantages.

Like the outboard repairman once told me:
"As long as you can get it started with no more than just a few pulls,
you can continue to get a lot of enjoyable service from a beat up old
Johnson."


I like my 225 Yamaha four stroke for any number of reasons, including:

1. very quiet at idle, trolling and slow cruise speeds.
2. starts instantly, period.
3. no oil mixing.
4. reasonable fuel burn.
5. reliable, so far.
6. no smoke in the air, no oil in the water.

It's true. With proper lubrication you shouldn't need to add any oil.
:-)

wrote:

Like the outboard repairman once told me:
"As long as you can get it started with no more than just a few pulls,
you can continue to get a lot of enjoyable service from a beat up old
Johnson."

That's one for the quote file.

On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:30:26 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Digiovanni's Dock Of The Bay in Solomons is also better than Stoneys,
though I have not had crabcakes there.

Gotta be crabcakes, and I'm not taking chances at Didiovanni's. Don't you
know some little dive place on the Patuxent that has crabcakes *and*
ambience?

The CD Cafe at Solomons Island is excellent and has a pleasant
ambience as well.

I'm pretty sure they have crabcakes but you might want to call and
make sure. We had a great meal there last October on our way south.

http://www.chesapeakelifemag.com/tourism/solomons.html

On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:30:26 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:07:13 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:28:09 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

PS. Are there any crabcake sandwiches better than that $20 bugger at
Stoney's in Brooms Island? My wife wants a crabcake sandwich for our 20th
anniversary tomorrow.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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I think Annapolis Seafood has better cakes, at half the price, but not
much ambiance.


Digiovanni's Dock Of The Bay in Solomons is also better than Stoneys,
though I have not had crabcakes there.

Gotta be crabcakes, and I'm not taking chances at Didiovanni's. Don't you
know some little dive place on the Patuxent that has crabcakes *and*
ambience?

I can't take her to a damn grocery store for our anniversary!
--
'Til next time,

John H


John, I rarely order crabcakes. I think the ones at Stoneys are really
overpriced. I don't keep track of them at other places, but my wife
ordered them once at Annapolis Seafood and they were at least as good as
Stoney's.

The only restaurant on the Pax I really like is Tony's Riverhouse
in Benedict. 301-274-4440.

Benedict is a bitty town on the west side of the Pax River bridge that
connects Calvert and Charles Counties.

We've been there. I like it too. But, Stoney's made the papers, sometime
back, and the wife thinks it's *the* place to go. Oh well. Thanks for the
time.
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"Billgran" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message news:njGcg.1081
Two reasons:

I'm sick of buying oil. The last thing I need is to have to buy
$40/gallon oil.



You might feel sicker when you have to buy Yamaha's $25 oil filter for
each oil change. The manual recommends every 6 months or 100 hrs.
WHICHEVER COMES FIRST. It also says to change more often if you do a lot
of low speed running or trolling.

$50 twice a year? $100 for oil filters per year? Compared to 20 gallons of
E-Tec oil at $40/gallon, it's a no-brainer.

On Wed, 24 May 2006 06:47:15 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:30:26 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:07:13 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:28:09 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

PS. Are there any crabcake sandwiches better than that $20 bugger at
Stoney's in Brooms Island? My wife wants a crabcake sandwich for our 20th
anniversary tomorrow.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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I think Annapolis Seafood has better cakes, at half the price, but not
much ambiance.


Digiovanni's Dock Of The Bay in Solomons is also better than Stoneys,
though I have not had crabcakes there.
Gotta be crabcakes, and I'm not taking chances at Didiovanni's. Don't you
know some little dive place on the Patuxent that has crabcakes *and*
ambience?

I can't take her to a damn grocery store for our anniversary!
--
'Til next time,

John H

John, I rarely order crabcakes. I think the ones at Stoneys are really
overpriced. I don't keep track of them at other places, but my wife
ordered them once at Annapolis Seafood and they were at least as good as
Stoney's.

The only restaurant on the Pax I really like is Tony's Riverhouse
in Benedict. 301-274-4440.

Benedict is a bitty town on the west side of the Pax River bridge that
connects Calvert and Charles Counties.

We've been there. I like it too. But, Stoney's made the papers, sometime
back, and the wife thinks it's *the* place to go. Oh well. Thanks for the
time.
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John H

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Then try the Stoneys at the end of Broome Island. Head down 4 towards
Solomon's Island, turn right on Broomes Island Road (route 264) and
enjoy a pretty drive to land's end. Best looking Stoneys, right on the Pax.

That's the one we go to. Thanks.
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I got the motors a few weeks ago, and was running it with 15 1/4 x 17"
props. That was too little prop for my boat (it ran the motors to 6100 rpm
and 43 mph)


At the 10 hour service after break-in, I repropped to 19" pitch.

Performance is phenomenal. Who says that the new four-strokes don't pack the
punch of the 2-strokes?

Top end is between 46 and 47 mph at 5600 rpm...and that's with full
eisenglass up, 3/4 fuel (1200+ lbs), generator, and 5 people plus gear.
Mileage was an astonishing 1.1-1.2 mpg at WOT. The older 250 OX66's ran
that boat to 43 mph, but only got about 0.7mpg at WOT.

Most economical cruise speed is anywhere from 3800rpm (28mph) to 4400 rpm
(34 mph)...yielding about 1.5 mpg.

At trolling speed, fuel burn is half what the 2-strokes burned. And at
"just-on-plane" speed (18.5-21mph), the new motors get 1.3-1.4 mpg...and the
2-stokes got 0.8 mpg.

Did I also mention that I can carry on a full conversation on the cell phone
while running WOT?

I figure these motors will save me about $2,000/year in fuel/oil
costs...which pays for the extra $140/month in my payments. When you add in
the extra cost for insurance, though, I break even. Still well worth it
considering the warranty, and the pleasure of no-smoke and quiet operation.








"NOYB" wrote in message
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The port engine on my Grady quit running while heading back in last week.
The problem was diagnosed as a faulty low pressure fuel pump. It's a
pretty inexpensive part, so I told the dealer to replace it and the five
other ones as a precaution.

But that same day, the owner of the dealership called to pitch me on
four-strokes. With my old motors as trade, and reusing my existing gauges
and binnacle, it became pretty cost effective to replace the old
two-strokes. I figured that the fuel (gas and oil) savings alone should
be about $3-4000/year. But more importantly, I'm going from a 5 year old
motor with no warranty, to a brand new motor with a 3-year warranty.

I may not keep the boat the 7 years it would take to recoup (in gas money)
the additional cost of upgrading. But if something major went on the
two-strokes in the next couple of years, I'm way ahead with the new
engines. Also, if I sell the boat in 4 or 5 years to upgrade to a
different boat, I figure it would be much more marketable with 4 or 5 year
four-strokes, than 9 or 10 year old two-strokes.

I'll be sure to post performance data on the engines vs. the old ones once
I get past the break-in.

The new engines are twin Yamaha F250 four-strokes.