"RCE" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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The real problem is one of religion, Bryan. In this great country, cars
occupy almost mythical status in the mind of the consumer.

And I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's part of the American
culture.

This is the alternative:

http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/2052.html


RCE




What's wrong with the alternative?

Because they are not a solution. They are a symbolic statement, which is
fine if that's what floats your boat.

So, in between an Escalade and a hybird, there are no in-between solutions?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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The real problem is one of religion, Bryan. In this great country,
cars occupy almost mythical status in the mind of the consumer.

And I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's part of the
American culture.

This is the alternative:

http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/2052.html


RCE




What's wrong with the alternative?

Because they are not a solution. They are a symbolic statement, which is
fine if that's what floats your boat.

So, in between an Escalade and a hybird, there are no in-between
solutions?


Yes, common sense. If hybrids and being politically correct floats your
boat, do so without preaching.
If an Escalade floats your boat, do so, responsibly. The same applies for
everything in between.

RCE

"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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The real problem is one of religion, Bryan. In this great country,
cars occupy almost mythical status in the mind of the consumer.

And I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's part of the
American culture.

This is the alternative:

http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/2052.html


RCE




What's wrong with the alternative?

Because they are not a solution. They are a symbolic statement, which
is fine if that's what floats your boat.

So, in between an Escalade and a hybird, there are no in-between
solutions?


Yes, common sense. If hybrids and being politically correct floats your
boat, do so without preaching.

You are very defensive about all this. It's not absolutely NOTHING to do
with being politically correct. Nada. Zip.


If an Escalade floats your boat, do so, responsibly. The same applies for
everything in between.

Correct. It applies to everything in between. But, if your daily routine
(work, shopping) can't be altered, and sometimes it can't, there is a
floor - a minimum below which you cannot go, in terms of using a vehicle.


I have a question for you. Do you believe that to an extent, the prices of
commodities are determined by demand?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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So, in between an Escalade and a hybird, there are no in-between
solutions?


Yes, common sense. If hybrids and being politically correct floats your
boat, do so without preaching.

You are very defensive about all this. It's not absolutely NOTHING to do
with being politically correct. Nada. Zip.

Not defensive at all. I have nothing to be defensive about. I don't have
to burn up fuel in low MPG autos to still enjoy them.

If an Escalade floats your boat, do so, responsibly. The same applies
for everything in between.

Correct. It applies to everything in between. But, if your daily routine
(work, shopping) can't be altered, and sometimes it can't, there is a
floor - a minimum below which you cannot go, in terms of using a vehicle.


I have a question for you. Do you believe that to an extent, the prices of
commodities are determined by demand?


Of course they are, as you say, "to an extent". But prices are also
determined by other factors as well, such as inflation, rising costs of
production, quality, etc.

RCE

"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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So, in between an Escalade and a hybird, there are no in-between
solutions?


Yes, common sense. If hybrids and being politically correct floats your
boat, do so without preaching.

You are very defensive about all this. It's not absolutely NOTHING to do
with being politically correct. Nada. Zip.

Not defensive at all. I have nothing to be defensive about. I don't have
to burn up fuel in low MPG autos to still enjoy them.

If an Escalade floats your boat, do so, responsibly. The same applies
for everything in between.

Correct. It applies to everything in between. But, if your daily routine
(work, shopping) can't be altered, and sometimes it can't, there is a
floor - a minimum below which you cannot go, in terms of using a vehicle.


I have a question for you. Do you believe that to an extent, the prices
of commodities are determined by demand?


Of course they are, as you say, "to an extent". But prices are also
determined by other factors as well, such as inflation, rising costs of
production, quality, etc.

RCE


If you personally have the ability to influence one of those factors, and
you are bothered by rising prices, do you think it makes no sense at all to
do your part to effect a change? I'm curious, because I'll bet you call
yourself patriotic.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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So, in between an Escalade and a hybird, there are no in-between
solutions?


Yes, common sense. If hybrids and being politically correct floats
your boat, do so without preaching.

You are very defensive about all this. It's not absolutely NOTHING to do
with being politically correct. Nada. Zip.

Not defensive at all. I have nothing to be defensive about. I don't
have to burn up fuel in low MPG autos to still enjoy them.

If an Escalade floats your boat, do so, responsibly. The same applies
for everything in between.

Correct. It applies to everything in between. But, if your daily routine
(work, shopping) can't be altered, and sometimes it can't, there is a
floor - a minimum below which you cannot go, in terms of using a
vehicle.


I have a question for you. Do you believe that to an extent, the prices
of commodities are determined by demand?


Of course they are, as you say, "to an extent". But prices are also
determined by other factors as well, such as inflation, rising costs of
production, quality, etc.

RCE


If you personally have the ability to influence one of those factors, and
you are bothered by rising prices, do you think it makes no sense at all
to do your part to effect a change? I'm curious, because I'll bet you call
yourself patriotic.


LOL. It has nothing to do with being patriotic. It *does* have to do with
****ing against the wind.
At my stage in life, I pretty much accept things for what they are and can't
get too excited about joining crusades.


RCE

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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So, in between an Escalade and a hybird, there are no in-between
solutions?


Yes, common sense. If hybrids and being politically correct floats
your boat, do so without preaching.

You are very defensive about all this. It's not absolutely NOTHING to do
with being politically correct. Nada. Zip.

Not defensive at all. I have nothing to be defensive about. I don't
have to burn up fuel in low MPG autos to still enjoy them.

If an Escalade floats your boat, do so, responsibly. The same applies
for everything in between.

Correct. It applies to everything in between. But, if your daily routine
(work, shopping) can't be altered, and sometimes it can't, there is a
floor - a minimum below which you cannot go, in terms of using a
vehicle.


I have a question for you. Do you believe that to an extent, the prices
of commodities are determined by demand?


Of course they are, as you say, "to an extent". But prices are also
determined by other factors as well, such as inflation, rising costs of
production, quality, etc.

RCE


If you personally have the ability to influence one of those factors, and
you are bothered by rising prices, do you think it makes no sense at all
to do your part to effect a change? I'm curious, because I'll bet you call
yourself patriotic.


*Effect* a change?

You start. Sell your boat, cars and other equipment powered by gasoline
engines. Let us know when are done with that simple task.

" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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If you personally have the ability to influence one of those factors, and
you are bothered by rising prices, do you think it makes no sense at all
to do your part to effect a change? I'm curious, because I'll bet you
call yourself patriotic.


*Effect* a change?

Yes. It's correct.



You start. Sell your boat, cars and other equipment powered by gasoline
engines. Let us know when are done with that simple task.


Another giant of a thinker. Where in this discussion do you think I
suggested that people get rid of their vehicles? Find the text and present
it as evidence of your conclusion.

" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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So, in between an Escalade and a hybird, there are no in-between
solutions?


Yes, common sense. If hybrids and being politically correct floats
your boat, do so without preaching.

You are very defensive about all this. It's not absolutely NOTHING to
do
with being politically correct. Nada. Zip.

Not defensive at all. I have nothing to be defensive about. I don't
have to burn up fuel in low MPG autos to still enjoy them.

If an Escalade floats your boat, do so, responsibly. The same
applies
for everything in between.

Correct. It applies to everything in between. But, if your daily
routine
(work, shopping) can't be altered, and sometimes it can't, there is a
floor - a minimum below which you cannot go, in terms of using a
vehicle.


I have a question for you. Do you believe that to an extent, the
prices
of commodities are determined by demand?


Of course they are, as you say, "to an extent". But prices are also
determined by other factors as well, such as inflation, rising costs of
production, quality, etc.

RCE


If you personally have the ability to influence one of those factors,
and
you are bothered by rising prices, do you think it makes no sense at all
to do your part to effect a change? I'm curious, because I'll bet you
call
yourself patriotic.


*Effect* a change?

You start. Sell your boat, cars and other equipment powered by gasoline
engines. Let us know when are done with that simple task.



Of course you are being facetious. But it does not take a lot to effect
change - IF everyone just does a little bit.
I have driven a pickup truck for everything and everywhere since 1997 (prior
to that had one that sat most of the time) it gets about 18 MPG. I switched
to a car that I bought as a hobby (turbo convertible) that get 28 MPG.
Boating - well we have always drug the kids around doing what we call
"extreme tubing" for hours - now they go for a about half hour and are done.

Here's another thought exercise for you. Don't debate each point which
begins with an asterisk. They're true. Wait for the question at the end.

* It requires energy to build everything, including cars.

* By nature of their design & manufacturing details, some cars are more
expendable than others. Therefore, their early demise and replacement
represents an earlier requirement for more energy use.

* Careful with this one: Regardless of the type of vehicle, some are made
more expendable due to the actions of the people who buy them.


This is the question: What could consumers do to reduce the tendency of
vehicles to be more quickly expendable?