"DSK" wrote in message
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Clue- oil is non-renewable. No matter how much exploration is done, we
will run out eventually.


Bert Robbins wrote:
When we, everyone on the entire planet, start to really run out of oil we
will be forced to find other means of producing energy and goods from
oil.

Hello? Hello?

I'm here now. I have to work during the day and can't sit around and post on
USENET like Dougie K and Bassie.

There are already other means of producing energy. In fact, our President
gave a speech earlier this year on the wisdom of expanding them.

What means are there for producing energy for automobiles and trucks that
don't require an extension cord? And, are those means as efficient and cost
effective as oil?

And nobody is being "forced" to do anything about oil or alternatives.
It's a matter of cost & profitability. Oil has been very cheap for a long
time... that is changing as oil supply declines and demand goes up.

The supply is not declining, OPEC can increase the supply at will but, the
demand is increasing. The known "reserves" are described as declining.



But, until that time we will continue to drill, pump and burn oil.

Are you under the impression that there will be oodles & oodles of oil,
until one morning in the distant future, there will suddenly be none?

I thought that was your position. I believe that we are 100 years away from
running out of oil. But, your ilk are of the consensus that we will be
running out of oil in a couple of years.

That's not the way it works. As with many other things in nature, the
amount of oil which can be pumped out of the ground follows a bell curve.

No, the current methods of pumping oil out of the ground may follow a bell
curve. Next year there may be a technological advance that will allow us to
pump oil out of wells that are not cost effective to continue pumping today.

Look it up for yourself, don't listen to me.
Google "Hubbert Peak" and see.

One man opinion.

... There is not economic incentive to switch away from oil, there is
only an emotional desire on the part of some.


You're disagreeing with President Bush's speech?

President Bush and I disagree on many issues. What make this issue special?

The economic incentives are clear
1- avoid pollution

If we reduce our use of oil it will just mean that there is more oil for
China and India.

2- make profits on other sources of energy

I don't understand what you are saying? An economic incentive is clear
because we can make profits form other sources of energy?

What sources of energy are you talking about?

3- avoid economic dislocation & disruption as oil becomes

Huh, there is an economic incentive to avoid economic dislocation and
disruption as oil becomes what?



A very smart scientist... who made a lot of money in the oil business...
named King Hubbert worked out the math of global oil supply a long time
ago.


Really? I thought that the supply of oil was going to run out in 30
years,

Do you know exactly what day? I will want to sell short that morning,
thanks.

No, your side of this issue wouldn't tell us the exact day.

with the clock startign to click in the late 1970's.

The U.S. (which used to be an oil exporter) hit it's oil peak in the
1970s, which was accurately predicted by Dr. Hubbert in the 1940s. The
global oil supply/demand situation is a bit more complex. However, it
seems likely that Hubbert's math was still pretty good.

We hit what oil peak in the 1970's?

Pretty good at what? Has technology improved in the last 60 years? Myabe
someone should do another study.

Now, bonus question: do you suppose that with the ramping up of China and
the other Pacific Rim economies, that world oil demand is higher or lower
than Hubbert plotted from a vantage point of approx 50 years ago?

What does it matter? According to you we will just run out sooner. Would you
say 30 years from now is about right?

Of course, you haven't liked any of the FACTS introduced into this thread
so far, and you won't like these FACTS either because they prove you're
wrong.


Ice age. Global warming. What's next.

I thought you knew?

You reactionary liberals are the best at fear mongering. What is the next
great potential global demise we face?


One thing is for sure, the retardo-fascists will be screaming that it's
all the fault of liberals. And ignoring any facts they stumble over.

If you want to blame yourselfs that is ok with me.