"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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People make comments about my needing to buy a more fuel efficient
vehicle, I currently drive an 2001 F150 SuperCrew with a 5.4L V8 gas
sucking engine. I pay for insurance, fuel and maintenance. I have no
monthly payment which costs me about $350 per month. There is no way the
total cost of ownership of a new vehicle is going to cost less.

This is an example of wrong thinking. Your ability to afford the gasoline
has no bearing whatsoever on the national need to get a handle on oil
consumption. It's a common response, though.

Wrong thinking? What is the national need to get a handle on oil
consumption?

Just a few weeks back, your lord and master said in a speech that we were
addicted to oil and needed to reduce our consumption. Was he wrong? Are you
doubting your commander in chief?


We could sove the problem by building nuclear plants all over the country
and reduce our consumption of oil dramatically. I suppose that you will
get on board with that, won't you?

No. Not enough of our electricity is generated with oil. Vehicles and
heating are the major consumers.


Or, are you more interested in controlling others behavior because they
are not doing what you believe they should be doing?

I don't know where you get this "controlling others" bull**** from. Let's
see if you can answer a straight question. You walk into a Ford dealership
and say you want an SUV. The salesman explains that they now offer two
categories. One has a V-8 and 4 wheel drive. The other comes only with a V-6
and 2 wheel drive. The two varieties are the exact same size inside, and
offer all the same accessory & trim packages. He asks you a few questions
about whether you'll be towing anything, and where you do most of your
driving. He then points out that based on your answers, you'll be lucky to
get 14 mpg with the V-8, but you'll easily get 20-24 with the V-6. Then, he
says "But, it's up to you, obviously".

Are you telling me that by offering you a choice, he is controlling your
behavior?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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People make comments about my needing to buy a more fuel efficient
vehicle, I currently drive an 2001 F150 SuperCrew with a 5.4L V8 gas
sucking engine. I pay for insurance, fuel and maintenance. I have no
monthly payment which costs me about $350 per month. There is no way
the total cost of ownership of a new vehicle is going to cost less.

This is an example of wrong thinking. Your ability to afford the
gasoline has no bearing whatsoever on the national need to get a handle
on oil consumption. It's a common response, though.

Wrong thinking? What is the national need to get a handle on oil
consumption?

Just a few weeks back, your lord and master said in a speech that we were
addicted to oil and needed to reduce our consumption. Was he wrong? Are
you doubting your commander in chief?

Your lord and master wants you to return to the pre-industrial revolution
age while he stays in the present. It is about controlling the population.
Restrict their ability to move about and to get informaiton.

We could sove the problem by building nuclear plants all over the country
and reduce our consumption of oil dramatically. I suppose that you will
get on board with that, won't you?

No. Not enough of our electricity is generated with oil. Vehicles and
heating are the major consumers.

In order to realize new energy transfer technologies we will need large
quantities of electricity available (e.g. Hydrogen)

Or, are you more interested in controlling others behavior because they
are not doing what you believe they should be doing?

I don't know where you get this "controlling others" bull**** from. Let's
see if you can answer a straight question. You walk into a Ford dealership
and say you want an SUV. The salesman explains that they now offer two
categories. One has a V-8 and 4 wheel drive. The other comes only with a
V-6 and 2 wheel drive. The two varieties are the exact same size inside,
and offer all the same accessory & trim packages. He asks you a few
questions about whether you'll be towing anything, and where you do most
of your driving. He then points out that based on your answers, you'll be
lucky to get 14 mpg with the V-8, but you'll easily get 20-24 with the
V-6. Then, he says "But, it's up to you, obviously".

I would chose the V-8.

Are you telling me that by offering you a choice, he is controlling your
behavior?

When the choice is taken away based upon the desire to change or control
behavior that is where social engineering comes into play and it has proved
it is a failure.

Innovation and choice have made the USA the best country in the world. If we
are not the best country in the world then why are we the most desired
emigration destination.

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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People make comments about my needing to buy a more fuel efficient
vehicle, I currently drive an 2001 F150 SuperCrew with a 5.4L V8 gas
sucking engine. I pay for insurance, fuel and maintenance. I have no
monthly payment which costs me about $350 per month. There is no way
the total cost of ownership of a new vehicle is going to cost less.

This is an example of wrong thinking. Your ability to afford the
gasoline has no bearing whatsoever on the national need to get a handle
on oil consumption. It's a common response, though.

Wrong thinking? What is the national need to get a handle on oil
consumption?

Just a few weeks back, your lord and master said in a speech that we were
addicted to oil and needed to reduce our consumption. Was he wrong? Are
you doubting your commander in chief?

Your lord and master wants you to return to the pre-industrial revolution
age while he stays in the present. It is about controlling the population.
Restrict their ability to move about and to get informaiton.

Stick with the subject of oil. This has nothing to do with restricting
anyone's ability to move about. If you think I'm wrong, explain the
connection.



We could sove the problem by building nuclear plants all over the
country and reduce our consumption of oil dramatically. I suppose that
you will get on board with that, won't you?

No. Not enough of our electricity is generated with oil. Vehicles and
heating are the major consumers.

In order to realize new energy transfer technologies we will need large
quantities of electricity available (e.g. Hydrogen)


Go get more coffee. You're having problems following your own train of
thought from yesterday.



Or, are you more interested in controlling others behavior because they
are not doing what you believe they should be doing?

I don't know where you get this "controlling others" bull**** from. Let's
see if you can answer a straight question. You walk into a Ford
dealership and say you want an SUV. The salesman explains that they now
offer two categories. One has a V-8 and 4 wheel drive. The other comes
only with a V-6 and 2 wheel drive. The two varieties are the exact same
size inside, and offer all the same accessory & trim packages. He asks
you a few questions about whether you'll be towing anything, and where
you do most of your driving. He then points out that based on your
answers, you'll be lucky to get 14 mpg with the V-8, but you'll easily
get 20-24 with the V-6. Then, he says "But, it's up to you, obviously".

I would chose the V-8.

Are you telling me that by offering you a choice, he is controlling your
behavior?

When the choice is taken away based upon the desire to change or control
behavior that is where social engineering comes into play and it has
proved it is a failure.

In the paragraph above, beginning with "I don't know where you get this",
please point out where a choice has been taken away.