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Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Reported by: AP First posted: 3/15/2006 12:05:28 PM Boaters in Kentucky may not have to pay launching fees at state docks much longer. Lawmakers in the Kentucky House have approved a plan to eliminate the $3 launching fee at many state docks. One lawmaker called the fees a nuisance to boaters and fisherman. The bill now heads to the state senate. From the Kentucky State Parks website: Launch fees for 2006 are $3 per day or boaters can buy an annual pass for $50. Kentucky residents receive a $20 discount. A discount of 50% is offered for additional passes issued to the same licensed boater. Daily fees will be collected through honor boxes installed at the boat ramps. Boaters will take an envelope from the box, fill it out with the current date and other information, enclose the money, and tear off a sticker to be displayed on the dashboard of the towing vehicle. Annual pass information is listed below. Boat Ramp Passes can be used at the following lakes: Barren River Lake, Buckhorn Lake, Dale Hollow Lake, Dewey Lake, Grayson Lake, Green River Lake, Lake Cumberland, Nolin Lake, Paintsville Lake, Rough River Lake, Taylorsville Lake, and Yatesville Lake. http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/03/15/boat.html |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Garrison Hilliard wrote:
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees Reported by: AP First posted: 3/15/2006 12:05:28 PM Boaters in Kentucky may not have to pay launching fees at state docks much longer. Lawmakers in the Kentucky House have approved a plan to eliminate the $3 launching fee at many state docks. One lawmaker called the fees a nuisance to boaters and fisherman. It sounds like one of those fees that costs more to enforce, collect and administer than it generates in revenues. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Brian Nystrom wrote in
news:ZM%Rf.4011$Sb.1659@trndny08: Garrison Hilliard wrote: Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees Reported by: AP First posted: 3/15/2006 12:05:28 PM Boaters in Kentucky may not have to pay launching fees at state docks much longer. Lawmakers in the Kentucky House have approved a plan to eliminate the $3 launching fee at many state docks. One lawmaker called the fees a nuisance to boaters and fisherman. It sounds like one of those fees that costs more to enforce, collect and administer than it generates in revenues. Either that or state taxes will be going up for everyone to provide funds to maintain a boat ramp for those that want to use it. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Iron Rangers", the honor system for paying fees without a ranger doing the
collecting, are notoriously ineffective, with compliance figures around 20-25% in a successful spot. I was on a state parks advisory board for six years and regularly dealt with these figures while trying to support state parks maintenance. I usually voted against user fees for simple parking and launching, especially because the parks were short of money because the state legislature was taking the user fees for non-park purposes. Brad "Garrison Hilliard" wrote in message ... Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees Reported by: AP First posted: 3/15/2006 12:05:28 PM Boaters in Kentucky may not have to pay launching fees at state docks much longer. Lawmakers in the Kentucky House have approved a plan to eliminate the $3 launching fee at many state docks. One lawmaker called the fees a nuisance to boaters and fisherman. The bill now heads to the state senate. From the Kentucky State Parks website: Launch fees for 2006 are $3 per day or boaters can buy an annual pass for $50. Kentucky residents receive a $20 discount. A discount of 50% is offered for additional passes issued to the same licensed boater. Daily fees will be collected through honor boxes installed at the boat ramps. Boaters will take an envelope from the box, fill it out with the current date and other information, enclose the money, and tear off a sticker to be displayed on the dashboard of the towing vehicle. Annual pass information is listed below. Boat Ramp Passes can be used at the following lakes: Barren River Lake, Buckhorn Lake, Dale Hollow Lake, Dewey Lake, Grayson Lake, Green River Lake, Lake Cumberland, Nolin Lake, Paintsville Lake, Rough River Lake, Taylorsville Lake, and Yatesville Lake. http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/03/15/boat.html |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
........ especially because the parks were short of money because the
state legislature was taking the user fees for non-park purposes. That stands to reason..... |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
John, will you please stow that kind of talk until they stop taxing
people without kids, to pay for schools? Or reduce the income, sales, and property taxes of people who don't drive? I mean this cheesy, chintzy business of "I'll pay for this but I don't use that is just so lame." Let the legislators fund everything that contributes to the common good, and let us all pay a share of it. Easy. Over and done with. No bull**** "special use fees" or any of that other "let's license [whatever], to generate revenues" crap. And if they don't charge "special use" fees, then you don't get situations such as that where Marylanders have to pay to visit Pennsylvania State Parks, but Pennsylvanians can visit Maryland State Parks for free. Let the PA gubmint fund what it thinks is important for the common good; if that doesn't include state parks then, at least, they won't be screwing out-of-state visitors whose home states don't screw Pennsylvanians in return. [PS, this was a bogus, hypothetical example, though it does happen with PA's boat-launch permits, even though PAians don't have to pay to launch on MD streams] font face="courier"pre -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net cell: 301.775.0471 OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu office: 336.713.5077 ================================================== ==================== /pre/font John Fereira wrote: Brian Nystrom wrote in news:ZM%Rf.4011$Sb.1659@trndny08: Garrison Hilliard wrote: Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees Reported by: AP First posted: 3/15/2006 12:05:28 PM Boaters in Kentucky may not have to pay launching fees at state docks much longer. Lawmakers in the Kentucky House have approved a plan to eliminate the $3 launching fee at many state docks. One lawmaker called the fees a nuisance to boaters and fisherman. It sounds like one of those fees that costs more to enforce, collect and administer than it generates in revenues. Either that or state taxes will be going up for everyone to provide funds to maintain a boat ramp for those that want to use it. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
oups.com... John, will you please stow that kind of talk until they stop taxing people without kids, to pay for schools? Yeah...that'll work. Elderly voters in my school district tried it. They'd come to town & school board meetings and complain about school taxes, and how they didn't think it was fair to them to pay for extracurricular activities. In the same breath, they'd bitch about how "kids just hang around in gangs, all aimless & stuff, with nothin' to do, and then they get in trouble. Something's gotta be done!" |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message oups.com... John, will you please stow that kind of talk until they stop taxing people without kids, to pay for schools? Yeah...that'll work. Elderly voters in my school district tried it. They'd come to town & school board meetings and complain about school taxes, and how they didn't think it was fair to them to pay for extracurricular activities. In the same breath, they'd bitch about how "kids just hang around in gangs, all aimless & stuff, with nothin' to do, and then they get in trouble. Something's gotta be done!" As someone who doesn't have or want kids, I see it from a different perspective. While I'm willing to contribute to the common good, why should I have to do so at the same rate as someone who thinks it's cool to pop out 4 or 5 kids? For that matter, why should anyone get a tax DEDUCTION for having kids? Those who consume the most in services should pay the most in taxes. If you don't force people to pay their own way, they don't learn personal responsibility and they don't think about the consequences of their (reproductive) actions. The welfare system taught us that, in spades. The government gives people with hybrid vehicles a tax break. Why shouldn't someone who uses a bicycle instead get an even larger one? Not only do they use zero fossil fuel and create dramatically lower emissions, but the environmental cost of building, maintaining and disposing of their vehicle is several orders of magnitude lower. People who don't own cars at all should get an even bigger break. As much as I like cars, need a car and actually enjoy driving, it's pretty obvious that our priorities are majorly screwed up. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
news:LmSTf.1281$Qm2.1278@trndny03... Doug Kanter wrote: "Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message oups.com... John, will you please stow that kind of talk until they stop taxing people without kids, to pay for schools? Yeah...that'll work. Elderly voters in my school district tried it. They'd come to town & school board meetings and complain about school taxes, and how they didn't think it was fair to them to pay for extracurricular activities. In the same breath, they'd bitch about how "kids just hang around in gangs, all aimless & stuff, with nothin' to do, and then they get in trouble. Something's gotta be done!" As someone who doesn't have or want kids, I see it from a different perspective. While I'm willing to contribute to the common good, why should I have to do so at the same rate as someone who thinks it's cool to pop out 4 or 5 kids? For that matter, why should anyone get a tax DEDUCTION for having kids? Those who consume the most in services should pay the most in taxes. If you don't force people to pay their own way, they don't learn personal responsibility and they don't think about the consequences of their (reproductive) actions. The welfare system taught us that, in spades. I'm OK with adjusting school taxes as you described. But, I'd qualify the change as follows. Anyone who voted that way should have to wear one of those electric training collars that some hunters use to teach Poopy to retrieve dead ducks. If you complained about young stupid retail employees who can't make change, you'd get shocked. Not sure how to monitor the behavior, but I'm sure something could be figured out. The government gives people with hybrid vehicles a tax break. Why shouldn't someone who uses a bicycle instead get an even larger one? Not only do they use zero fossil fuel and create dramatically lower emissions, but the environmental cost of building, maintaining and disposing of their vehicle is several orders of magnitude lower. People who don't own cars at all should get an even bigger break. As much as I like cars, need a car and actually enjoy driving, it's pretty obvious that our priorities are majorly screwed up. I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Doug Kanter wrote:
I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. Same here. About 8 months before I retired, I bought a 'comfort' type bike from a well respected local bike shop. I had a number of the components upgraded, such as crank, seat, rear wheel & spokes etc before picking it up April 2003. I used it regularly until the end of that October. I may have used it once since then. Here on the peninsula, the streets can be narrow and hilly with heavy traffic at times. (think a smaller version of Boston downtown) |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. Same here. About 8 months before I retired, I bought a 'comfort' type bike from a well respected local bike shop. I had a number of the components upgraded, such as crank, seat, rear wheel & spokes etc before picking it up April 2003. I used it regularly until the end of that October. I may have used it once since then. Here on the peninsula, the streets can be narrow and hilly with heavy traffic at times. (think a smaller version of Boston downtown) I don't understand why people don't think about elderly drivers correctly. They think it's funny that old people drive down a 40 mph street doing 11 mph. But, nobody really wants to face reality and think about WHY old people are driving that way. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Well, that's kinda my point. We all pay school taxes because it is to
our common good to be surrounded by (nominally) educated youngsters than by total illiterates (did I spell that correctly?). Don't you think it is also to the common good that I should be out on the river paddling, rather than mowing down trash cans (WHAT? Those were GIRLS?) on the sidewalks? Jus' wondrin', doncha know? font face="courier"pre -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA .. rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net .. Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll .. rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu .. OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters ================================================== ==================== /pre/font |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Oci-One Kanubi wrote:
Well, that's kinda my point. We all pay school taxes because it is to our common good to be surrounded by (nominally) educated youngsters than by total illiterates (did I spell that correctly?). Don't you think it is also to the common good that I should be out on the river paddling, rather than mowing down trash cans (WHAT? Those were GIRLS?) on the sidewalks? Jus' wondrin', doncha know? font face="courier"pre (OT: Font face?) Oooooh Richard, that almost sounds like communism (Or at least socialism...) to some... ;-) And no, I don't mind paying taxes, as long as I don't see the money being thrown away in some senseless bottomless pit (like a war, some politician's prestige project or have it get stuck to some politician or his buddy's greasy fingers...). -- Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Ya think you could take them both out on yer motorbike? That'd be some
fancy drivin! "Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message ups.com... Well, that's kinda my point. We all pay school taxes because it is to our common good to be surrounded by (nominally) educated youngsters than by total illiterates (did I spell that correctly?). Don't you think it is also to the common good that I should be out on the river paddling, rather than mowing down trash cans (WHAT? Those were GIRLS?) on the sidewalks? Jus' wondrin', doncha know? font face="courier"pre -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA . rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net . Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll . rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu . OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters ================================================== ==================== /pre/font |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message ups.com... Well, that's kinda my point. We all pay school taxes because it is to our common good to be surrounded by (nominally) educated youngsters than by total illiterates (did I spell that correctly?). Don't you think it is also to the common good that I should be out on the river paddling, rather than mowing down trash cans (WHAT? Those were GIRLS?) on the sidewalks? Jus' wondrin', doncha know? font face="courier"pre -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA . rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net . Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll . rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu . OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters ================================================== ==================== /pre/font And who paid for all our childhood education? |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:LmSTf.1281$Qm2.1278@trndny03... Doug Kanter wrote: "Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message egroups.com... John, will you please stow that kind of talk until they stop taxing people without kids, to pay for schools? Yeah...that'll work. Elderly voters in my school district tried it. They'd come to town & school board meetings and complain about school taxes, and how they didn't think it was fair to them to pay for extracurricular activities. In the same breath, they'd bitch about how "kids just hang around in gangs, all aimless & stuff, with nothin' to do, and then they get in trouble. Something's gotta be done!" As someone who doesn't have or want kids, I see it from a different perspective. While I'm willing to contribute to the common good, why should I have to do so at the same rate as someone who thinks it's cool to pop out 4 or 5 kids? For that matter, why should anyone get a tax DEDUCTION for having kids? Those who consume the most in services should pay the most in taxes. If you don't force people to pay their own way, they don't learn personal responsibility and they don't think about the consequences of their (reproductive) actions. The welfare system taught us that, in spades. I'm OK with adjusting school taxes as you described. But, I'd qualify the change as follows. Anyone who voted that way should have to wear one of those electric training collars that some hunters use to teach Poopy to retrieve dead ducks. If you complained about young stupid retail employees who can't make change, you'd get shocked. Not sure how to monitor the behavior, but I'm sure something could be figured out. It's been shown over and over again that the problem with public schools is not a lack of money. Besides, if you tax people without kids less and people with kids more, there should be no decrease in revenue. The government gives people with hybrid vehicles a tax break. Why shouldn't someone who uses a bicycle instead get an even larger one? Not only do they use zero fossil fuel and create dramatically lower emissions, but the environmental cost of building, maintaining and disposing of their vehicle is several orders of magnitude lower. People who don't own cars at all should get an even bigger break. As much as I like cars, need a car and actually enjoy driving, it's pretty obvious that our priorities are majorly screwed up. I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of the exercise far outweigh the risks. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. Same here. About 8 months before I retired, I bought a 'comfort' type bike from a well respected local bike shop. I had a number of the components upgraded, such as crank, seat, rear wheel & spokes etc before picking it up April 2003. I used it regularly until the end of that October. I may have used it once since then. Here on the peninsula, the streets can be narrow and hilly with heavy traffic at times. (think a smaller version of Boston downtown) I don't understand why people don't think about elderly drivers correctly. They think it's funny that old people drive down a 40 mph street doing 11 mph. But, nobody really wants to face reality and think about WHY old people are driving that way. Blame it on the AARP. They've done a heck of a job in blocking common-sense laws that would require frequent driver testing of seniors. It borders on being criminal. It's just a matter of time until they're sued by the family of a victim of an incompetent senior driver. That day can't come to soon. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
CalifBill wrote:
"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message ups.com... Well, that's kinda my point. We all pay school taxes because it is to our common good to be surrounded by (nominally) educated youngsters than by total illiterates (did I spell that correctly?). Don't you think it is also to the common good that I should be out on the river paddling, rather than mowing down trash cans (WHAT? Those were GIRLS?) on the sidewalks? Jus' wondrin', doncha know? font face="courier"pre -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================ ====================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA . rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net . Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll . rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu . OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters ================================================ ====================== /pre/font And who paid for all our childhood education? Our parents did, who else? I think it's safe to say that they got a much better deal for their money than we're getting. At least we came out of public school with solid fundamentals and an understanding of basic social skills like respect, common courtesy and common decency. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
news:7maUf.1345$Qm2.273@trndny03... I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of the exercise far outweigh the risks. That's just plain silly. If your car's tapped in a minor way by another car, you may get a dented door or fender. If the same thing happens to you on a bike, your risk of serious injury is vastly greater. The "if" factor isn't so remote, either, considering that at least 80-90% of the drivers on our roads fall into one or more of these categories: -Clinically dead, but nobody's noticed yet -Blind -Drunk -Too stupid to operate anything more complicated than a spoon -Talking on the cell phone -Exhausted I'd love to see a lot more bikes in use, but until the factors on that list are dealt with, I want a nice metal box around me. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:7maUf.1345$Qm2.273@trndny03... I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of the exercise far outweigh the risks. That's just plain silly. If your car's tapped in a minor way by another car, you may get a dented door or fender. If the same thing happens to you on a bike, your risk of serious injury is vastly greater. The "if" factor isn't so remote, either, considering that at least 80-90% of the drivers on our roads fall into one or more of these categories: -Clinically dead, but nobody's noticed yet -Blind -Drunk -Too stupid to operate anything more complicated than a spoon -Talking on the cell phone -Exhausted I'd love to see a lot more bikes in use, but until the factors on that list are dealt with, I want a nice metal box around me. Over 42,000 people die on the roads every year. Cycling deaths are ~700, which means 60 times more people die in cars than on bikes. People take driving for granted, but it's actually one of the most dangerous things we do regulary, other than taking a shower. In order to understand risk, you have to examine the data. Gut reactions are almost always wrong. Look at how many people get all worked up over West Nile Virus, when only a handful of people die from it each year. In contrast, the flu kills around 40,000 people every year. I'm an avid kayaker and when I discuss it with people many express concern about it being dangerous. The average number of deaths in all forms of kayaking in the US is 12 per year. Millions of people are afraid of flying, which is the safest mode of transport in existence. When it comes to risk, the perception of the average person isn't even close to the reality. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
news:1OiUf.5483$8G2.4700@trndny01... Doug Kanter wrote: "Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:7maUf.1345$Qm2.273@trndny03... I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of the exercise far outweigh the risks. That's just plain silly. If your car's tapped in a minor way by another car, you may get a dented door or fender. If the same thing happens to you on a bike, your risk of serious injury is vastly greater. The "if" factor isn't so remote, either, considering that at least 80-90% of the drivers on our roads fall into one or more of these categories: -Clinically dead, but nobody's noticed yet -Blind -Drunk -Too stupid to operate anything more complicated than a spoon -Talking on the cell phone -Exhausted I'd love to see a lot more bikes in use, but until the factors on that list are dealt with, I want a nice metal box around me. Over 42,000 people die on the roads every year. Cycling deaths are ~700, which means 60 times more people die in cars than on bikes. People take driving for granted, but it's actually one of the most dangerous things we do regulary, other than taking a shower. In order to understand risk, you have to examine the data. About that last line, I was thinking of saying the same thing to you. :-) Why do you suppose there are less cycling deaths? Hint: It's not because it's safer. That statistic is as silly as the one the airlines used to spew: Less accidents per mile flown, blah blah blah. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:1OiUf.5483$8G2.4700@trndny01... Doug Kanter wrote: "Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:7maUf.1345$Qm2.273@trndny03... I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of the exercise far outweigh the risks. That's just plain silly. If your car's tapped in a minor way by another car, you may get a dented door or fender. If the same thing happens to you on a bike, your risk of serious injury is vastly greater. The "if" factor isn't so remote, either, considering that at least 80-90% of the drivers on our roads fall into one or more of these categories: -Clinically dead, but nobody's noticed yet -Blind -Drunk -Too stupid to operate anything more complicated than a spoon -Talking on the cell phone -Exhausted I'd love to see a lot more bikes in use, but until the factors on that list are dealt with, I want a nice metal box around me. Over 42,000 people die on the roads every year. Cycling deaths are ~700, which means 60 times more people die in cars than on bikes. People take driving for granted, but it's actually one of the most dangerous things we do regulary, other than taking a shower. In order to understand risk, you have to examine the data. About that last line, I was thinking of saying the same thing to you. :-) Why do you suppose there are less cycling deaths? Hint: It's not because it's safer. That statistic is as silly as the one the airlines used to spew: Less accidents per mile flown, blah blah blah. Believe whatever you want, it doesn't matter to me. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:mrkUf.5496$8G2.2313@trndny01... Doug Kanter wrote: "Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:1OiUf.5483$8G2.4700@trndny01... Doug Kanter wrote: "Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:7maUf.1345$Qm2.273@trndny03... I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of the exercise far outweigh the risks. That's just plain silly. If your car's tapped in a minor way by another car, you may get a dented door or fender. If the same thing happens to you on a bike, your risk of serious injury is vastly greater. The "if" factor isn't so remote, either, considering that at least 80-90% of the drivers on our roads fall into one or more of these categories: -Clinically dead, but nobody's noticed yet -Blind -Drunk -Too stupid to operate anything more complicated than a spoon -Talking on the cell phone -Exhausted I'd love to see a lot more bikes in use, but until the factors on that list are dealt with, I want a nice metal box around me. Over 42,000 people die on the roads every year. Cycling deaths are ~700, which means 60 times more people die in cars than on bikes. People take driving for granted, but it's actually one of the most dangerous things we do regulary, other than taking a shower. In order to understand risk, you have to examine the data. About that last line, I was thinking of saying the same thing to you. :-) Why do you suppose there are less cycling deaths? Hint: It's not because it's safer. That statistic is as silly as the one the airlines used to spew: Less accidents per mile flown, blah blah blah. Believe whatever you want, it doesn't matter to me. Brian! On any given day, there are less people on bikes than in cars. If there are less people doing something risky, do you suppose they'd be less likely to be affected by the risks? |
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Doug Kanter wrote: "Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:mrkUf.5496$8G2.2313@trndny01... Doug Kanter wrote: "Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:1OiUf.5483$8G2.4700@trndny01... Doug Kanter wrote: "Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:7maUf.1345$Qm2.273@trndny03... I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of the exercise far outweigh the risks. That's just plain silly. If your car's tapped in a minor way by another car, you may get a dented door or fender. If the same thing happens to you on a bike, your risk of serious injury is vastly greater. The "if" factor isn't so remote, either, considering that at least 80-90% of the drivers on our roads fall into one or more of these categories: -Clinically dead, but nobody's noticed yet -Blind -Drunk -Too stupid to operate anything more complicated than a spoon -Talking on the cell phone -Exhausted I'd love to see a lot more bikes in use, but until the factors on that list are dealt with, I want a nice metal box around me. Over 42,000 people die on the roads every year. Cycling deaths are ~700, which means 60 times more people die in cars than on bikes. People take driving for granted, but it's actually one of the most dangerous things we do regulary, other than taking a shower. In order to understand risk, you have to examine the data. About that last line, I was thinking of saying the same thing to you. :-) Why do you suppose there are less cycling deaths? Hint: It's not because it's safer. That statistic is as silly as the one the airlines used to spew: Less accidents per mile flown, blah blah blah. Believe whatever you want, it doesn't matter to me. Brian! On any given day, there are less people on bikes than in cars. If there are less people doing something risky, do you suppose they'd be less likely to be affected by the risks? How risky is paddling the waterways and being exposed later this year when the wild birds fly south, to the bird flu? HYY |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:mrkUf.5496$8G2.2313@trndny01... Doug Kanter wrote: "Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:1OiUf.5483$8G2.4700@trndny01... Doug Kanter wrote: "Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:7maUf.1345$Qm2.273@trndny03... I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of the exercise far outweigh the risks. That's just plain silly. If your car's tapped in a minor way by another car, you may get a dented door or fender. If the same thing happens to you on a bike, your risk of serious injury is vastly greater. The "if" factor isn't so remote, either, considering that at least 80-90% of the drivers on our roads fall into one or more of these categories: -Clinically dead, but nobody's noticed yet -Blind -Drunk -Too stupid to operate anything more complicated than a spoon -Talking on the cell phone -Exhausted I'd love to see a lot more bikes in use, but until the factors on that list are dealt with, I want a nice metal box around me. Over 42,000 people die on the roads every year. Cycling deaths are ~700, which means 60 times more people die in cars than on bikes. People take driving for granted, but it's actually one of the most dangerous things we do regulary, other than taking a shower. In order to understand risk, you have to examine the data. About that last line, I was thinking of saying the same thing to you. :-) Why do you suppose there are less cycling deaths? Hint: It's not because it's safer. That statistic is as silly as the one the airlines used to spew: Less accidents per mile flown, blah blah blah. Believe whatever you want, it doesn't matter to me. Brian! On any given day, there are less people on bikes than in cars. If there are less people doing something risky, do you suppose they'd be less likely to be affected by the risks? Of course, but if you're one of those already exposed, which group would you rather belong to? As an avid cyclist and a driver, I can honestly say I've had far more close brushes with disaster in my car than on my bike. At least riding a bike has heath benefits that allow one to enjoy their life more and live longer. That far outweighs any risk of injury or death. Like I said, believe whatever you want. |
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"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:C4xUf.5686$8G2.504@trndny01... Brian! On any given day, there are less people on bikes than in cars. If there are less people doing something risky, do you suppose they'd be less likely to be affected by the risks? Of course, but if you're one of those already exposed, which group would you rather belong to? As an avid cyclist and a driver, I can honestly say I've had far more close brushes with disaster in my car than on my bike. Brian - think for a moment. You're mixing two different ideas. You're correct - the odds of BEING in an accident are higher in your car. The odds of being HURT in an accident, assuming you're on shared roadways, or far higher on your bike. This is analogous to the nonsensical airlines' theory. "Less accidents per miles travelled in planes, compared to cars". Yes, that's true. But when your plane crashes, your chances of survival are, for all intents and purposes, zero. At least riding a bike has heath benefits that allow one to enjoy their life more and live longer. That far outweighs any risk of injury or death. Yes, there are health benefits. I ride on dedicated trails, where nobody's driving anything that weighs more than my vehicle. My biggest risk is being crushed by a very fat person on a bike, or a collision with a bee. |
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I agree with Brian. Remember the guy from Kentucky [Look, I'm on topic!
Sorta.] who heard that most car accidents happen within five miles of home, so he moved 15 miles down the road? I also read that most people die in bed. I'm doing all-nighters every other day to decrease my chances of dying by 50%, I'll tell you that right now. Steve (Cincinnati native) |
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wrote in message oups.com... I agree with Brian. Remember the guy from Kentucky [Look, I'm on topic! Sorta.] who heard that most car accidents happen within five miles of home, so he moved 15 miles down the road? drum crash! |
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On 23 Mar 2006 07:42:44 -0800, "
wrote: I agree with Brian. Remember the guy from Kentucky [Look, I'm on topic! Sorta.] who heard that most car accidents happen within five miles of home, so he moved 15 miles down the road? I also read that most people die in bed. I'm doing all-nighters every other day to decrease my chances of dying by 50%, I'll tell you that right now. Did you know that most people who die do so after seeing a doctor? I don't know about you but I'm planning on planting an apple orchard. Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA Stings like a butterfly, floats like a bee |
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Galen Hekhuis wrote:
On 23 Mar 2006 07:42:44 -0800, " wrote: I agree with Brian. Remember the guy from Kentucky [Look, I'm on topic! Sorta.] who heard that most car accidents happen within five miles of home, so he moved 15 miles down the road? I also read that most people die in bed. I'm doing all-nighters every other day to decrease my chances of dying by 50%, I'll tell you that right now. Did you know that most people who die do so after seeing a doctor? I don't know about you but I'm planning on planting an apple orchard. Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA Stings like a butterfly, floats like a bee Doctor's offices and hospitals are terrible places to visit...full of sick people. Yuck! |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:C4xUf.5686$8G2.504@trndny01... Brian! On any given day, there are less people on bikes than in cars. If there are less people doing something risky, do you suppose they'd be less likely to be affected by the risks? Of course, but if you're one of those already exposed, which group would you rather belong to? As an avid cyclist and a driver, I can honestly say I've had far more close brushes with disaster in my car than on my bike. Brian - think for a moment. You're mixing two different ideas. You're correct - the odds of BEING in an accident are higher in your car. The odds of being HURT in an accident, assuming you're on shared roadways, or far higher on your bike. This is analogous to the nonsensical airlines' theory. "Less accidents per miles travelled in planes, compared to cars". Yes, that's true. But when your plane crashes, your chances of survival are, for all intents and purposes, zero. Granted, but if you never get in an accident in the first place, you're chances of dying are also zero. The stats I've seen on flying have always been about the odds of DYING in a plane crash, so it's not like anyone's trying to hide the fact that a plane crash means almost certain death. I think it's fair to say that the public assumes that. At least riding a bike has heath benefits that allow one to enjoy their life more and live longer. That far outweighs any risk of injury or death. Yes, there are health benefits. I ride on dedicated trails, where nobody's driving anything that weighs more than my vehicle. My biggest risk is being crushed by a very fat person on a bike, or a collision with a bee. That's nice, but I daresay that most people don't have that option. Additionally, the trails I've been on, which are typically multi-use, are far more dangerous than the open roadways. They're full of walkers, runners, families with kids on bikes and worst of all, inline skaters. These people are every bit as oblivious as drivers and are far less predictable. I'll take a large road with a wide shoulder or a sparsely travelled back road over these trails any day. |
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"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
news:6QQUf.3348$1U1.2877@trndny05... Brian - think for a moment. You're mixing two different ideas. You're correct - the odds of BEING in an accident are higher in your car. The odds of being HURT in an accident, assuming you're on shared roadways, or far higher on your bike. This is analogous to the nonsensical airlines' theory. "Less accidents per miles travelled in planes, compared to cars". Yes, that's true. But when your plane crashes, your chances of survival are, for all intents and purposes, zero. Granted, but if you never get in an accident in the first place, you're chances of dying are also zero. The stats I've seen on flying have always been about the odds of DYING in a plane crash, so it's not like anyone's trying to hide the fact that a plane crash means almost certain death. I think it's fair to say that the public assumes that. Maybe the airlines have stopped repeating the "less accidents per mile" nonsense. Anyone who's taken a statistics class should puke when they hear that. At least riding a bike has heath benefits that allow one to enjoy their life more and live longer. That far outweighs any risk of injury or death. Yes, there are health benefits. I ride on dedicated trails, where nobody's driving anything that weighs more than my vehicle. My biggest risk is being crushed by a very fat person on a bike, or a collision with a bee. That's nice, but I daresay that most people don't have that option. Additionally, the trails I've been on, which are typically multi-use, are far more dangerous than the open roadways. They're full of walkers, runners, families with kids on bikes and worst of all, inline skaters. These people are every bit as oblivious as drivers and are far less predictable. I'll take a large road with a wide shoulder or a sparsely travelled back road over these trails any day. Yeah, well still, I'd rather fall off a bike than be slammed into by a car. But, I took physics in school, so maybe I'm wrong. |
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