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Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Reported by: AP First posted: 3/15/2006 12:05:28 PM Boaters in Kentucky may not have to pay launching fees at state docks much longer. Lawmakers in the Kentucky House have approved a plan to eliminate the $3 launching fee at many state docks. One lawmaker called the fees a nuisance to boaters and fisherman. The bill now heads to the state senate. From the Kentucky State Parks website: Launch fees for 2006 are $3 per day or boaters can buy an annual pass for $50. Kentucky residents receive a $20 discount. A discount of 50% is offered for additional passes issued to the same licensed boater. Daily fees will be collected through honor boxes installed at the boat ramps. Boaters will take an envelope from the box, fill it out with the current date and other information, enclose the money, and tear off a sticker to be displayed on the dashboard of the towing vehicle. Annual pass information is listed below. Boat Ramp Passes can be used at the following lakes: Barren River Lake, Buckhorn Lake, Dale Hollow Lake, Dewey Lake, Grayson Lake, Green River Lake, Lake Cumberland, Nolin Lake, Paintsville Lake, Rough River Lake, Taylorsville Lake, and Yatesville Lake. http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/03/15/boat.html |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Garrison Hilliard wrote:
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees Reported by: AP First posted: 3/15/2006 12:05:28 PM Boaters in Kentucky may not have to pay launching fees at state docks much longer. Lawmakers in the Kentucky House have approved a plan to eliminate the $3 launching fee at many state docks. One lawmaker called the fees a nuisance to boaters and fisherman. It sounds like one of those fees that costs more to enforce, collect and administer than it generates in revenues. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Brian Nystrom wrote in
news:ZM%Rf.4011$Sb.1659@trndny08: Garrison Hilliard wrote: Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees Reported by: AP First posted: 3/15/2006 12:05:28 PM Boaters in Kentucky may not have to pay launching fees at state docks much longer. Lawmakers in the Kentucky House have approved a plan to eliminate the $3 launching fee at many state docks. One lawmaker called the fees a nuisance to boaters and fisherman. It sounds like one of those fees that costs more to enforce, collect and administer than it generates in revenues. Either that or state taxes will be going up for everyone to provide funds to maintain a boat ramp for those that want to use it. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Iron Rangers", the honor system for paying fees without a ranger doing the
collecting, are notoriously ineffective, with compliance figures around 20-25% in a successful spot. I was on a state parks advisory board for six years and regularly dealt with these figures while trying to support state parks maintenance. I usually voted against user fees for simple parking and launching, especially because the parks were short of money because the state legislature was taking the user fees for non-park purposes. Brad "Garrison Hilliard" wrote in message ... Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees Reported by: AP First posted: 3/15/2006 12:05:28 PM Boaters in Kentucky may not have to pay launching fees at state docks much longer. Lawmakers in the Kentucky House have approved a plan to eliminate the $3 launching fee at many state docks. One lawmaker called the fees a nuisance to boaters and fisherman. The bill now heads to the state senate. From the Kentucky State Parks website: Launch fees for 2006 are $3 per day or boaters can buy an annual pass for $50. Kentucky residents receive a $20 discount. A discount of 50% is offered for additional passes issued to the same licensed boater. Daily fees will be collected through honor boxes installed at the boat ramps. Boaters will take an envelope from the box, fill it out with the current date and other information, enclose the money, and tear off a sticker to be displayed on the dashboard of the towing vehicle. Annual pass information is listed below. Boat Ramp Passes can be used at the following lakes: Barren River Lake, Buckhorn Lake, Dale Hollow Lake, Dewey Lake, Grayson Lake, Green River Lake, Lake Cumberland, Nolin Lake, Paintsville Lake, Rough River Lake, Taylorsville Lake, and Yatesville Lake. http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/03/15/boat.html |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
........ especially because the parks were short of money because the
state legislature was taking the user fees for non-park purposes. That stands to reason..... |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
John, will you please stow that kind of talk until they stop taxing
people without kids, to pay for schools? Or reduce the income, sales, and property taxes of people who don't drive? I mean this cheesy, chintzy business of "I'll pay for this but I don't use that is just so lame." Let the legislators fund everything that contributes to the common good, and let us all pay a share of it. Easy. Over and done with. No bull**** "special use fees" or any of that other "let's license [whatever], to generate revenues" crap. And if they don't charge "special use" fees, then you don't get situations such as that where Marylanders have to pay to visit Pennsylvania State Parks, but Pennsylvanians can visit Maryland State Parks for free. Let the PA gubmint fund what it thinks is important for the common good; if that doesn't include state parks then, at least, they won't be screwing out-of-state visitors whose home states don't screw Pennsylvanians in return. [PS, this was a bogus, hypothetical example, though it does happen with PA's boat-launch permits, even though PAians don't have to pay to launch on MD streams] font face="courier"pre -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net cell: 301.775.0471 OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu office: 336.713.5077 ================================================== ==================== /pre/font John Fereira wrote: Brian Nystrom wrote in news:ZM%Rf.4011$Sb.1659@trndny08: Garrison Hilliard wrote: Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees Reported by: AP First posted: 3/15/2006 12:05:28 PM Boaters in Kentucky may not have to pay launching fees at state docks much longer. Lawmakers in the Kentucky House have approved a plan to eliminate the $3 launching fee at many state docks. One lawmaker called the fees a nuisance to boaters and fisherman. It sounds like one of those fees that costs more to enforce, collect and administer than it generates in revenues. Either that or state taxes will be going up for everyone to provide funds to maintain a boat ramp for those that want to use it. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
oups.com... John, will you please stow that kind of talk until they stop taxing people without kids, to pay for schools? Yeah...that'll work. Elderly voters in my school district tried it. They'd come to town & school board meetings and complain about school taxes, and how they didn't think it was fair to them to pay for extracurricular activities. In the same breath, they'd bitch about how "kids just hang around in gangs, all aimless & stuff, with nothin' to do, and then they get in trouble. Something's gotta be done!" |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message oups.com... John, will you please stow that kind of talk until they stop taxing people without kids, to pay for schools? Yeah...that'll work. Elderly voters in my school district tried it. They'd come to town & school board meetings and complain about school taxes, and how they didn't think it was fair to them to pay for extracurricular activities. In the same breath, they'd bitch about how "kids just hang around in gangs, all aimless & stuff, with nothin' to do, and then they get in trouble. Something's gotta be done!" As someone who doesn't have or want kids, I see it from a different perspective. While I'm willing to contribute to the common good, why should I have to do so at the same rate as someone who thinks it's cool to pop out 4 or 5 kids? For that matter, why should anyone get a tax DEDUCTION for having kids? Those who consume the most in services should pay the most in taxes. If you don't force people to pay their own way, they don't learn personal responsibility and they don't think about the consequences of their (reproductive) actions. The welfare system taught us that, in spades. The government gives people with hybrid vehicles a tax break. Why shouldn't someone who uses a bicycle instead get an even larger one? Not only do they use zero fossil fuel and create dramatically lower emissions, but the environmental cost of building, maintaining and disposing of their vehicle is several orders of magnitude lower. People who don't own cars at all should get an even bigger break. As much as I like cars, need a car and actually enjoy driving, it's pretty obvious that our priorities are majorly screwed up. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
news:LmSTf.1281$Qm2.1278@trndny03... Doug Kanter wrote: "Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message oups.com... John, will you please stow that kind of talk until they stop taxing people without kids, to pay for schools? Yeah...that'll work. Elderly voters in my school district tried it. They'd come to town & school board meetings and complain about school taxes, and how they didn't think it was fair to them to pay for extracurricular activities. In the same breath, they'd bitch about how "kids just hang around in gangs, all aimless & stuff, with nothin' to do, and then they get in trouble. Something's gotta be done!" As someone who doesn't have or want kids, I see it from a different perspective. While I'm willing to contribute to the common good, why should I have to do so at the same rate as someone who thinks it's cool to pop out 4 or 5 kids? For that matter, why should anyone get a tax DEDUCTION for having kids? Those who consume the most in services should pay the most in taxes. If you don't force people to pay their own way, they don't learn personal responsibility and they don't think about the consequences of their (reproductive) actions. The welfare system taught us that, in spades. I'm OK with adjusting school taxes as you described. But, I'd qualify the change as follows. Anyone who voted that way should have to wear one of those electric training collars that some hunters use to teach Poopy to retrieve dead ducks. If you complained about young stupid retail employees who can't make change, you'd get shocked. Not sure how to monitor the behavior, but I'm sure something could be figured out. The government gives people with hybrid vehicles a tax break. Why shouldn't someone who uses a bicycle instead get an even larger one? Not only do they use zero fossil fuel and create dramatically lower emissions, but the environmental cost of building, maintaining and disposing of their vehicle is several orders of magnitude lower. People who don't own cars at all should get an even bigger break. As much as I like cars, need a car and actually enjoy driving, it's pretty obvious that our priorities are majorly screwed up. I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:19:48 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:59:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. I'm reporting you to the AARP. :) Good. Anyone who disagrees with me on this is stupid. :-) Oddly, I agree with you. Unfortunately, what good is it going to do? Remove the feeble from the road permanently. If that eventually means me, I'm OK with it. My son's been instructed to take away my keys at the appropriate time. Why would I want to take a chance at hurting YOUR grandchildren, ya know? Next, we call for a crackdown on cell phones in cars, using tactics that Josef Stalin would envy. If the police want to know, cell phone companies can provide a pretty good approximation of where a user is located at any given moment. I'm sure they could provide equipment to the cops to help them find specific cars. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Doug Kanter wrote:
I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. Same here. About 8 months before I retired, I bought a 'comfort' type bike from a well respected local bike shop. I had a number of the components upgraded, such as crank, seat, rear wheel & spokes etc before picking it up April 2003. I used it regularly until the end of that October. I may have used it once since then. Here on the peninsula, the streets can be narrow and hilly with heavy traffic at times. (think a smaller version of Boston downtown) |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. Same here. About 8 months before I retired, I bought a 'comfort' type bike from a well respected local bike shop. I had a number of the components upgraded, such as crank, seat, rear wheel & spokes etc before picking it up April 2003. I used it regularly until the end of that October. I may have used it once since then. Here on the peninsula, the streets can be narrow and hilly with heavy traffic at times. (think a smaller version of Boston downtown) I don't understand why people don't think about elderly drivers correctly. They think it's funny that old people drive down a 40 mph street doing 11 mph. But, nobody really wants to face reality and think about WHY old people are driving that way. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:00:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. Same here. About 8 months before I retired, I bought a 'comfort' type bike from a well respected local bike shop. I had a number of the components upgraded, such as crank, seat, rear wheel & spokes etc before picking it up April 2003. I used it regularly until the end of that October. I may have used it once since then. Here on the peninsula, the streets can be narrow and hilly with heavy traffic at times. (think a smaller version of Boston downtown) I don't understand why people don't think about elderly drivers correctly. They think it's funny that old people drive down a 40 mph street doing 11 mph. But, nobody really wants to face reality and think about WHY old people are driving that way. Hell I do that. You do it consciously, as a hobby. That's different. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
No, he does it just to **** off the liberal driving behind him.
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: There are more conservatives in this town than in yours I'd bet. :) You mean real conservatives, or Bush-Cheney cheerleader "neoconservatives"? This is a very red state, however I happen to live in a college town. No bet on that one no matter which you mean. However, it is amusing to do. What I really enjoy is driving down the middle of the road at JUST under the speed limit. :) Can't do that around here. If you didn't get flattened by a stream of SUVs going 80 in a 35 zone, the local SWAT team would take you out for being obviously deranged & having harmful intent. I think people around here are confused between their speedometers and their tachs. DSK |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:29:15 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:00:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. Same here. About 8 months before I retired, I bought a 'comfort' type bike from a well respected local bike shop. I had a number of the components upgraded, such as crank, seat, rear wheel & spokes etc before picking it up April 2003. I used it regularly until the end of that October. I may have used it once since then. Here on the peninsula, the streets can be narrow and hilly with heavy traffic at times. (think a smaller version of Boston downtown) I don't understand why people don't think about elderly drivers correctly. They think it's funny that old people drive down a 40 mph street doing 11 mph. But, nobody really wants to face reality and think about WHY old people are driving that way. Hell I do that. You do it consciously, as a hobby. That's different. ROTFL!!! You're pretty easy to figure out, Tom. You're like me in some ways, although I might be more subtle. I hate it when I'm doing 72 in on a 65 mph highway, with plenty of room ahead of me, and some putz starts passing me at 72.38 mph. I just know that he's gonna get two car lengths ahead of me and drop into my lane & slow down. So, I tweak the cruise control to 74-ish, and make him speed up. I'll do this 2-3 times to make sure he's serious. Usually, he's not. I'm also an artist with the side view mirrors. At night, the same kinds of putzes like to get into my blind spot, so their lights shine right in my eyes. I adjust the mirror and send the gift back to him. Great fun. Almost ran someone right off the road once, but usually, it just forces them to make up their minds and either pass like a real man, or back the hell off. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:29:15 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:00:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. Same here. About 8 months before I retired, I bought a 'comfort' type bike from a well respected local bike shop. I had a number of the components upgraded, such as crank, seat, rear wheel & spokes etc before picking it up April 2003. I used it regularly until the end of that October. I may have used it once since then. Here on the peninsula, the streets can be narrow and hilly with heavy traffic at times. (think a smaller version of Boston downtown) I don't understand why people don't think about elderly drivers correctly. They think it's funny that old people drive down a 40 mph street doing 11 mph. But, nobody really wants to face reality and think about WHY old people are driving that way. Hell I do that. You do it consciously, as a hobby. That's different. ROTFL!!! You're pretty easy to figure out, Tom. You're like me in some ways, although I might be more subtle. I hate it when I'm doing 72 in on a 65 mph highway, with plenty of room ahead of me, and some putz starts passing me at 72.38 mph. I just know that he's gonna get two car lengths ahead of me and drop into my lane & slow down. So, I tweak the cruise control to 74-ish, and make him speed up. I'll do this 2-3 times to make sure he's serious. Usually, he's not. I'm also an artist with the side view mirrors. At night, the same kinds of putzes like to get into my blind spot, so their lights shine right in my eyes. I adjust the mirror and send the gift back to him. Great fun. Almost ran someone right off the road once, but usually, it just forces them to make up their minds and either pass like a real man, or back the hell off. I used to do a lot of that 'mirror adjusting' when people would ride my ass with their beams shining in my face. Way back, I was irritated with oncoming traffic not dimming from high beam on two lane highways. My brother-in-law bought me a beautiful sealed beam unit from Bosch that was more powerful than normal...in fact later on that powerful bulb was outlawed in this province. If some jackass came at me with his brights on, I'd reply with mine. That always brought a reaction. Another thing I would do is let a car tailgating me with highbeams pass... then I'd ride his ass for a few miles with my Bosch beams lighting up his whole interior. Now I live in town and rarely drive any distance at night. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:16:33 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:29:15 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ I don't understand why people don't think about elderly drivers correctly. They think it's funny that old people drive down a 40 mph street doing 11 mph. But, nobody really wants to face reality and think about WHY old people are driving that way. Hell I do that. You do it consciously, as a hobby. That's different. ROTFL!!! You're pretty easy to figure out, Tom. You're like me in some ways, although I might be more subtle. I hate it when I'm doing 72 in on a 65 mph highway, with plenty of room ahead of me, and some putz starts passing me at 72.38 mph. I just know that he's gonna get two car lengths ahead of me and drop into my lane & slow down. So, I tweak the cruise control to 74-ish, and make him speed up. I'll do this 2-3 times to make sure he's serious. Usually, he's not. I don't screw around on the highway - too much at stake. Bah. I make sure I'm dealing with just one at a time, that I have an "out", and that nobody else is nearby to be affected by my fun. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:29:15 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message m... On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:00:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. Same here. About 8 months before I retired, I bought a 'comfort' type bike from a well respected local bike shop. I had a number of the components upgraded, such as crank, seat, rear wheel & spokes etc before picking it up April 2003. I used it regularly until the end of that October. I may have used it once since then. Here on the peninsula, the streets can be narrow and hilly with heavy traffic at times. (think a smaller version of Boston downtown) I don't understand why people don't think about elderly drivers correctly. They think it's funny that old people drive down a 40 mph street doing 11 mph. But, nobody really wants to face reality and think about WHY old people are driving that way. Hell I do that. You do it consciously, as a hobby. That's different. ROTFL!!! You're pretty easy to figure out, Tom. You're like me in some ways, although I might be more subtle. I hate it when I'm doing 72 in on a 65 mph highway, with plenty of room ahead of me, and some putz starts passing me at 72.38 mph. I just know that he's gonna get two car lengths ahead of me and drop into my lane & slow down. So, I tweak the cruise control to 74-ish, and make him speed up. I'll do this 2-3 times to make sure he's serious. Usually, he's not. I'm also an artist with the side view mirrors. At night, the same kinds of putzes like to get into my blind spot, so their lights shine right in my eyes. I adjust the mirror and send the gift back to him. Great fun. Almost ran someone right off the road once, but usually, it just forces them to make up their minds and either pass like a real man, or back the hell off. I used to do a lot of that 'mirror adjusting' when people would ride my ass with their beams shining in my face. Way back, I was irritated with oncoming traffic not dimming from high beam on two lane highways. My brother-in-law bought me a beautiful sealed beam unit from Bosch that was more powerful than normal...in fact later on that powerful bulb was outlawed in this province. If some jackass came at me with his brights on, I'd reply with mine. That always brought a reaction. Another thing I would do is let a car tailgating me with highbeams pass... then I'd ride his ass for a few miles with my Bosch beams lighting up his whole interior. Now I live in town and rarely drive any distance at night. So.because he is an idiot, you become one also? |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
CalifBill wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:29:15 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message om... On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:00:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. Same here. About 8 months before I retired, I bought a 'comfort' type bike from a well respected local bike shop. I had a number of the components upgraded, such as crank, seat, rear wheel & spokes etc before picking it up April 2003. I used it regularly until the end of that October. I may have used it once since then. Here on the peninsula, the streets can be narrow and hilly with heavy traffic at times. (think a smaller version of Boston downtown) I don't understand why people don't think about elderly drivers correctly. They think it's funny that old people drive down a 40 mph street doing 11 mph. But, nobody really wants to face reality and think about WHY old people are driving that way. Hell I do that. You do it consciously, as a hobby. That's different. ROTFL!!! You're pretty easy to figure out, Tom. You're like me in some ways, although I might be more subtle. I hate it when I'm doing 72 in on a 65 mph highway, with plenty of room ahead of me, and some putz starts passing me at 72.38 mph. I just know that he's gonna get two car lengths ahead of me and drop into my lane & slow down. So, I tweak the cruise control to 74-ish, and make him speed up. I'll do this 2-3 times to make sure he's serious. Usually, he's not. I'm also an artist with the side view mirrors. At night, the same kinds of putzes like to get into my blind spot, so their lights shine right in my eyes. I adjust the mirror and send the gift back to him. Great fun. Almost ran someone right off the road once, but usually, it just forces them to make up their minds and either pass like a real man, or back the hell off. I used to do a lot of that 'mirror adjusting' when people would ride my ass with their beams shining in my face. Way back, I was irritated with oncoming traffic not dimming from high beam on two lane highways. My brother-in-law bought me a beautiful sealed beam unit from Bosch that was more powerful than normal...in fact later on that powerful bulb was outlawed in this province. If some jackass came at me with his brights on, I'd reply with mine. That always brought a reaction. Another thing I would do is let a car tailgating me with highbeams pass... then I'd ride his ass for a few miles with my Bosch beams lighting up his whole interior. Now I live in town and rarely drive any distance at night. So.because he is an idiot, you become one also? I figure it's my duty to help stamp out idiocy. Don't take it personal Billy. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... The truck I had before this one, I wired the backup lights to a switch on the dash. It was most amusing to stop at a light and flip them switch - the looks on the people behind me was just priceless. Heh. I did the same thing on my first car - a '62 Ford Sunliner. I wired them to a switch mainly because the factory switch in the gearshift was broken and it was the only easy way to get them to work. Being young and an idiot, (or is that a young idiot/) I got big yuks out of switching them on when a car came up too close behind me and start tailgating. You could see the front end of their car take a nosedive downward as they jammed on their brakes. Stupid thing to do, when I think about it now. RCE |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Well, that's kinda my point. We all pay school taxes because it is to
our common good to be surrounded by (nominally) educated youngsters than by total illiterates (did I spell that correctly?). Don't you think it is also to the common good that I should be out on the river paddling, rather than mowing down trash cans (WHAT? Those were GIRLS?) on the sidewalks? Jus' wondrin', doncha know? font face="courier"pre -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA .. rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net .. Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll .. rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu .. OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters ================================================== ==================== /pre/font |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:54:41 +0000, CalifBill wrote:
So.because he is an idiot, you become one also? I was thinking it sounded like the beginnings of a nice road rage incident. It's probably a good thing, they don't allow handguns in Canada. |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
thunder wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:54:41 +0000, CalifBill wrote: So.because he is an idiot, you become one also? I was thinking it sounded like the beginnings of a nice road rage incident. It's probably a good thing, they don't allow handguns in Canada. Damn straight...I would have capped his ass! |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Oci-One Kanubi wrote:
Well, that's kinda my point. We all pay school taxes because it is to our common good to be surrounded by (nominally) educated youngsters than by total illiterates (did I spell that correctly?). Don't you think it is also to the common good that I should be out on the river paddling, rather than mowing down trash cans (WHAT? Those were GIRLS?) on the sidewalks? Jus' wondrin', doncha know? font face="courier"pre (OT: Font face?) Oooooh Richard, that almost sounds like communism (Or at least socialism...) to some... ;-) And no, I don't mind paying taxes, as long as I don't see the money being thrown away in some senseless bottomless pit (like a war, some politician's prestige project or have it get stuck to some politician or his buddy's greasy fingers...). -- Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ |
Kentucky May Do Away With Boat Launching Fees
Ya think you could take them both out on yer motorbike? That'd be some
fancy drivin! "Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message ups.com... Well, that's kinda my point. We all pay school taxes because it is to our common good to be surrounded by (nominally) educated youngsters than by total illiterates (did I spell that correctly?). Don't you think it is also to the common good that I should be out on the river paddling, rather than mowing down trash cans (WHAT? Those were GIRLS?) on the sidewalks? Jus' wondrin', doncha know? font face="courier"pre -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA . rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net . Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll . rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu . OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters ================================================== ==================== /pre/font |
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"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message ups.com... Well, that's kinda my point. We all pay school taxes because it is to our common good to be surrounded by (nominally) educated youngsters than by total illiterates (did I spell that correctly?). Don't you think it is also to the common good that I should be out on the river paddling, rather than mowing down trash cans (WHAT? Those were GIRLS?) on the sidewalks? Jus' wondrin', doncha know? font face="courier"pre -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA . rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net . Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll . rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu . OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters ================================================== ==================== /pre/font And who paid for all our childhood education? |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:LmSTf.1281$Qm2.1278@trndny03... Doug Kanter wrote: "Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message egroups.com... John, will you please stow that kind of talk until they stop taxing people without kids, to pay for schools? Yeah...that'll work. Elderly voters in my school district tried it. They'd come to town & school board meetings and complain about school taxes, and how they didn't think it was fair to them to pay for extracurricular activities. In the same breath, they'd bitch about how "kids just hang around in gangs, all aimless & stuff, with nothin' to do, and then they get in trouble. Something's gotta be done!" As someone who doesn't have or want kids, I see it from a different perspective. While I'm willing to contribute to the common good, why should I have to do so at the same rate as someone who thinks it's cool to pop out 4 or 5 kids? For that matter, why should anyone get a tax DEDUCTION for having kids? Those who consume the most in services should pay the most in taxes. If you don't force people to pay their own way, they don't learn personal responsibility and they don't think about the consequences of their (reproductive) actions. The welfare system taught us that, in spades. I'm OK with adjusting school taxes as you described. But, I'd qualify the change as follows. Anyone who voted that way should have to wear one of those electric training collars that some hunters use to teach Poopy to retrieve dead ducks. If you complained about young stupid retail employees who can't make change, you'd get shocked. Not sure how to monitor the behavior, but I'm sure something could be figured out. It's been shown over and over again that the problem with public schools is not a lack of money. Besides, if you tax people without kids less and people with kids more, there should be no decrease in revenue. The government gives people with hybrid vehicles a tax break. Why shouldn't someone who uses a bicycle instead get an even larger one? Not only do they use zero fossil fuel and create dramatically lower emissions, but the environmental cost of building, maintaining and disposing of their vehicle is several orders of magnitude lower. People who don't own cars at all should get an even bigger break. As much as I like cars, need a car and actually enjoy driving, it's pretty obvious that our priorities are majorly screwed up. I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of the exercise far outweigh the risks. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. Same here. About 8 months before I retired, I bought a 'comfort' type bike from a well respected local bike shop. I had a number of the components upgraded, such as crank, seat, rear wheel & spokes etc before picking it up April 2003. I used it regularly until the end of that October. I may have used it once since then. Here on the peninsula, the streets can be narrow and hilly with heavy traffic at times. (think a smaller version of Boston downtown) I don't understand why people don't think about elderly drivers correctly. They think it's funny that old people drive down a 40 mph street doing 11 mph. But, nobody really wants to face reality and think about WHY old people are driving that way. Blame it on the AARP. They've done a heck of a job in blocking common-sense laws that would require frequent driver testing of seniors. It borders on being criminal. It's just a matter of time until they're sued by the family of a victim of an incompetent senior driver. That day can't come to soon. |
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CalifBill wrote:
"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message ups.com... Well, that's kinda my point. We all pay school taxes because it is to our common good to be surrounded by (nominally) educated youngsters than by total illiterates (did I spell that correctly?). Don't you think it is also to the common good that I should be out on the river paddling, rather than mowing down trash cans (WHAT? Those were GIRLS?) on the sidewalks? Jus' wondrin', doncha know? font face="courier"pre -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================ ====================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA . rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net . Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll . rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu . OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters ================================================ ====================== /pre/font And who paid for all our childhood education? Our parents did, who else? I think it's safe to say that they got a much better deal for their money than we're getting. At least we came out of public school with solid fundamentals and an understanding of basic social skills like respect, common courtesy and common decency. |
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:24:59 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
My opinion is that all drivers should take a mandatory retest every three years - teenagers once a year until they are twenty one. It may be a myth that senior drivers are a hazard. Drivers over *80* have fewer fatalities than drivers under 25. They also tend to be self-limiting, driving on familiar roads, during daylight hours, and, avoiding bad weather. http://www.northeasttimes.com/2003/0...ordrivers.html |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... My opinion is that all drivers should take a mandatory retest every three years - teenagers once a year until they are twenty one. Betcha the majority of people over 40 who have been driving since being a teenager would flunk a legitimate driving test. I know some of the basic rules of the road have changed in MA since I was 16 years old. I don't mind taking the vision test every 5 years. I just need someone to guide me up to the test machine. RCE |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:24:59 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: My opinion is that all drivers should take a mandatory retest every three years - teenagers once a year until they are twenty one. It may be a myth that senior drivers are a hazard. Drivers over *80* have fewer fatalities than drivers under 25. They also tend to be self-limiting, driving on familiar roads, during daylight hours, and, avoiding bad weather. http://www.northeasttimes.com/2003/0...ordrivers.html About 10 years ago my then 95 year old grandfather lived alone in a nearby senior retirement park. Although we used to visit him regularly, he would still fire up his old Dodge Dart once or twice a month to visit us at our house. He should not have been driving but, being the independent old man that he was, he would not give it up and the state just kept renewing his license. It got to the point where, when we knew he was coming, I would drive over to the retirement place before he left and wait until I saw his car leaving the parking lot. I'd then lead the way over to our house. When he returned, I'd do the same thing. He never asked why ... and we never discussed it. But he was a danger to himself and anyone else around. He thought he drove just fine. RCE |
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:16:42 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
One of the hardest things we had to do was take my in-laws licenses when they hit 90 - it seriously was getting dangerous for them to drive. On the other hand, one of my wife's aunts is 95 and drives everyday - sharp as a tack, only goes where she has to and keeps herself safe by limiting her mileage - she needs to go somewhere at a distance, she asks for help. I don't know what the answer is. I'd say you do know. You intervened to take the licenses of those that were incompetent drivers, and left the competent driver alone. I'd agree it is a difficult decision, but age alone isn't the qualifier. We all hope to be there someday, hopefully we will know when to stop driving, although, butthead that I am, I doubt it. ;-) |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On the other hand, one of my wife's aunts is 95 and drives everyday - sharp as a tack, only goes where she has to and keeps herself safe by limiting her mileage - she needs to go somewhere at a distance, she asks for help. I don't know what the answer is. Another story on this subject: My mother has a rare form of MS that is very slow in it's progression, but over the last 15 years has slowly confined her to a wheelchair. She can get out of it and move very carefully and slowly to get in a car or bed or whatever but has very little strength or control of her legs. Like your wife's aunt, she is mentally sharp as a tack. Anyway, when my father died 6 years ago, she insisted that she was going to drive her car (which had been my dad's job) and wanted me to go with her so she could practice. We did one practice in a parking lot and that was it. I had to forcefully tell her, through her tears, that her driving days were over. A week later she announced that she found a company that would install hand controls in the car. Oh -boy ... I thought... here we go again. I called the company and was very impressed with their process. The representative explained that they dealt with aging drivers with disabilities all the time and with the aging driver's families. For a reasonable fee, they send a certified instructor to her house in a hand control equipped car. He would take my mother out in it and evaluate her skills and ability to learn and adapt to hand controls. He said most did not qualify, which surprised me. He also pointed out that in fairness to the candidate for hand controls, family members are not always objective in determining if the older person is skilled or physically qualified. So, we made a deal with my mother. We would arrange for the test drive and whatever the instructor's findings were would be binding and final. She flunked. So, we found a mini-van equipped with an electric scooter and hoist setup. When she wants to go out, someone else drives and drops her off at whatever store she wants to go to. She has several able-bodied friends that drive it, plus my sister takes her out on a regular basis so she's not lacking in the ability to get get out of the house. RCE |
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"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
news:7maUf.1345$Qm2.273@trndny03... I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of the exercise far outweigh the risks. That's just plain silly. If your car's tapped in a minor way by another car, you may get a dented door or fender. If the same thing happens to you on a bike, your risk of serious injury is vastly greater. The "if" factor isn't so remote, either, considering that at least 80-90% of the drivers on our roads fall into one or more of these categories: -Clinically dead, but nobody's noticed yet -Blind -Drunk -Too stupid to operate anything more complicated than a spoon -Talking on the cell phone -Exhausted I'd love to see a lot more bikes in use, but until the factors on that list are dealt with, I want a nice metal box around me. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:7maUf.1345$Qm2.273@trndny03... I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of the exercise far outweigh the risks. That's just plain silly. If your car's tapped in a minor way by another car, you may get a dented door or fender. If the same thing happens to you on a bike, your risk of serious injury is vastly greater. The "if" factor isn't so remote, either, considering that at least 80-90% of the drivers on our roads fall into one or more of these categories: -Clinically dead, but nobody's noticed yet -Blind -Drunk -Too stupid to operate anything more complicated than a spoon -Talking on the cell phone -Exhausted I'd love to see a lot more bikes in use, but until the factors on that list are dealt with, I want a nice metal box around me. Over 42,000 people die on the roads every year. Cycling deaths are ~700, which means 60 times more people die in cars than on bikes. People take driving for granted, but it's actually one of the most dangerous things we do regulary, other than taking a shower. In order to understand risk, you have to examine the data. Gut reactions are almost always wrong. Look at how many people get all worked up over West Nile Virus, when only a handful of people die from it each year. In contrast, the flu kills around 40,000 people every year. I'm an avid kayaker and when I discuss it with people many express concern about it being dangerous. The average number of deaths in all forms of kayaking in the US is 12 per year. Millions of people are afraid of flying, which is the safest mode of transport in existence. When it comes to risk, the perception of the average person isn't even close to the reality. |
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"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
news:1OiUf.5483$8G2.4700@trndny01... Doug Kanter wrote: "Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:7maUf.1345$Qm2.273@trndny03... I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of the exercise far outweigh the risks. That's just plain silly. If your car's tapped in a minor way by another car, you may get a dented door or fender. If the same thing happens to you on a bike, your risk of serious injury is vastly greater. The "if" factor isn't so remote, either, considering that at least 80-90% of the drivers on our roads fall into one or more of these categories: -Clinically dead, but nobody's noticed yet -Blind -Drunk -Too stupid to operate anything more complicated than a spoon -Talking on the cell phone -Exhausted I'd love to see a lot more bikes in use, but until the factors on that list are dealt with, I want a nice metal box around me. Over 42,000 people die on the roads every year. Cycling deaths are ~700, which means 60 times more people die in cars than on bikes. People take driving for granted, but it's actually one of the most dangerous things we do regulary, other than taking a shower. In order to understand risk, you have to examine the data. About that last line, I was thinking of saying the same thing to you. :-) Why do you suppose there are less cycling deaths? Hint: It's not because it's safer. That statistic is as silly as the one the airlines used to spew: Less accidents per mile flown, blah blah blah. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:1OiUf.5483$8G2.4700@trndny01... Doug Kanter wrote: "Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:7maUf.1345$Qm2.273@trndny03... I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of the exercise far outweigh the risks. That's just plain silly. If your car's tapped in a minor way by another car, you may get a dented door or fender. If the same thing happens to you on a bike, your risk of serious injury is vastly greater. The "if" factor isn't so remote, either, considering that at least 80-90% of the drivers on our roads fall into one or more of these categories: -Clinically dead, but nobody's noticed yet -Blind -Drunk -Too stupid to operate anything more complicated than a spoon -Talking on the cell phone -Exhausted I'd love to see a lot more bikes in use, but until the factors on that list are dealt with, I want a nice metal box around me. Over 42,000 people die on the roads every year. Cycling deaths are ~700, which means 60 times more people die in cars than on bikes. People take driving for granted, but it's actually one of the most dangerous things we do regulary, other than taking a shower. In order to understand risk, you have to examine the data. About that last line, I was thinking of saying the same thing to you. :-) Why do you suppose there are less cycling deaths? Hint: It's not because it's safer. That statistic is as silly as the one the airlines used to spew: Less accidents per mile flown, blah blah blah. Believe whatever you want, it doesn't matter to me. |
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"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:mrkUf.5496$8G2.2313@trndny01... Doug Kanter wrote: "Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:1OiUf.5483$8G2.4700@trndny01... Doug Kanter wrote: "Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:7maUf.1345$Qm2.273@trndny03... I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of the exercise far outweigh the risks. That's just plain silly. If your car's tapped in a minor way by another car, you may get a dented door or fender. If the same thing happens to you on a bike, your risk of serious injury is vastly greater. The "if" factor isn't so remote, either, considering that at least 80-90% of the drivers on our roads fall into one or more of these categories: -Clinically dead, but nobody's noticed yet -Blind -Drunk -Too stupid to operate anything more complicated than a spoon -Talking on the cell phone -Exhausted I'd love to see a lot more bikes in use, but until the factors on that list are dealt with, I want a nice metal box around me. Over 42,000 people die on the roads every year. Cycling deaths are ~700, which means 60 times more people die in cars than on bikes. People take driving for granted, but it's actually one of the most dangerous things we do regulary, other than taking a shower. In order to understand risk, you have to examine the data. About that last line, I was thinking of saying the same thing to you. :-) Why do you suppose there are less cycling deaths? Hint: It's not because it's safer. That statistic is as silly as the one the airlines used to spew: Less accidents per mile flown, blah blah blah. Believe whatever you want, it doesn't matter to me. Brian! On any given day, there are less people on bikes than in cars. If there are less people doing something risky, do you suppose they'd be less likely to be affected by the risks? |
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:54:21 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:mrkUf.5496$8G2.2313@trndny01... Doug Kanter wrote: "Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:1OiUf.5483$8G2.4700@trndny01... Doug Kanter wrote: "Brian Nystrom" wrote in message news:7maUf.1345$Qm2.273@trndny03... I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe. While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of the exercise far outweigh the risks. That's just plain silly. If your car's tapped in a minor way by another car, you may get a dented door or fender. If the same thing happens to you on a bike, your risk of serious injury is vastly greater. The "if" factor isn't so remote, either, considering that at least 80-90% of the drivers on our roads fall into one or more of these categories: -Clinically dead, but nobody's noticed yet -Blind -Drunk -Too stupid to operate anything more complicated than a spoon -Talking on the cell phone -Exhausted I'd love to see a lot more bikes in use, but until the factors on that list are dealt with, I want a nice metal box around me. Over 42,000 people die on the roads every year. Cycling deaths are ~700, which means 60 times more people die in cars than on bikes. People take driving for granted, but it's actually one of the most dangerous things we do regulary, other than taking a shower. In order to understand risk, you have to examine the data. About that last line, I was thinking of saying the same thing to you. :-) Why do you suppose there are less cycling deaths? Hint: It's not because it's safer. That statistic is as silly as the one the airlines used to spew: Less accidents per mile flown, blah blah blah. Believe whatever you want, it doesn't matter to me. Brian! On any given day, there are less people on bikes than in cars. If there are less people doing something risky, do you suppose they'd be less likely to be affected by the risks? Are you guys talking about bicycles or motorcycles or both? -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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