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"JohnH" wrote in message
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Over 42,000 people die on the roads every year. Cycling deaths are
~700,
which means 60 times more people die in cars than on bikes. People take
driving for granted, but it's actually one of the most dangerous things
we do regulary, other than taking a shower.

In order to understand risk, you have to examine the data.


About that last line, I was thinking of saying the same thing to you.
:-)
Why do you suppose there are less cycling deaths? Hint: It's not
because
it's safer. That statistic is as silly as the one the airlines used to
spew: Less accidents per mile flown, blah blah blah.

Believe whatever you want, it doesn't matter to me.

Brian! On any given day, there are less people on bikes than in cars. If
there are less people doing something risky, do you suppose they'd be less
likely to be affected by the risks?


Are you guys talking about bicycles or motorcycles or both?

Look backward in the thread to the earlier messages. If your students were
lazy, you'd bitch slap them, right?

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I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make
it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory
annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years
back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE
SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I
love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe.

While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative
of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much
safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of
the exercise far outweigh the risks.


That's just plain silly. If your car's tapped in a minor way by another
car, you may get a dented door or fender. If the same thing happens to
you on a bike, your risk of serious injury is vastly greater. The "if"
factor isn't so remote, either, considering that at least 80-90% of the
drivers on our roads fall into one or more of these categories:

-Clinically dead, but nobody's noticed yet
-Blind
-Drunk
-Too stupid to operate anything more complicated than a spoon
-Talking on the cell phone
-Exhausted

I'd love to see a lot more bikes in use, but until the factors on that
list are dealt with, I want a nice metal box around me.

Over 42,000 people die on the roads every year. Cycling deaths are ~700,
which means 60 times more people die in cars than on bikes. People take
driving for granted, but it's actually one of the most dangerous things
we do regulary, other than taking a shower.

In order to understand risk, you have to examine the data.


About that last line, I was thinking of saying the same thing to you. :-)
Why do you suppose there are less cycling deaths? Hint: It's not because
it's safer. That statistic is as silly as the one the airlines used to
spew: Less accidents per mile flown, blah blah blah.

Believe whatever you want, it doesn't matter to me.

Brian! On any given day, there are less people on bikes than in cars. If
there are less people doing something risky, do you suppose they'd be less
likely to be affected by the risks?

How risky is paddling the waterways and being exposed later this year
when the wild birds fly south, to the bird flu? HYY

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Doug Kanter wrote:
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Doug Kanter wrote:

"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:


"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
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I like the bike idea. But, only if roads are REALLY designed to make
it safe to use bikes. One step in that direction would be mandatory
annual driving & vision re-testing for anyone over 50. A few years
back, an old lady here hit two girls who were standing ON THE
SIDEWALK. She said she thought they were garbage cans. As much as I
love biking, there aren't many places I feel safe.

While such incidents make for great headlines, they're not indicative
of the true level of risk involved. On balance, you're probably much
safer riding a bike than you are driving a car. The health benefits of
the exercise far outweigh the risks.


That's just plain silly. If your car's tapped in a minor way by another
car, you may get a dented door or fender. If the same thing happens to
you on a bike, your risk of serious injury is vastly greater. The "if"
factor isn't so remote, either, considering that at least 80-90% of the
drivers on our roads fall into one or more of these categories:

-Clinically dead, but nobody's noticed yet
-Blind
-Drunk
-Too stupid to operate anything more complicated than a spoon
-Talking on the cell phone
-Exhausted

I'd love to see a lot more bikes in use, but until the factors on that
list are dealt with, I want a nice metal box around me.

Over 42,000 people die on the roads every year. Cycling deaths are ~700,
which means 60 times more people die in cars than on bikes. People take
driving for granted, but it's actually one of the most dangerous things
we do regulary, other than taking a shower.

In order to understand risk, you have to examine the data.


About that last line, I was thinking of saying the same thing to you. :-)
Why do you suppose there are less cycling deaths? Hint: It's not because
it's safer. That statistic is as silly as the one the airlines used to
spew: Less accidents per mile flown, blah blah blah.

Believe whatever you want, it doesn't matter to me.


Brian! On any given day, there are less people on bikes than in cars. If
there are less people doing something risky, do you suppose they'd be less
likely to be affected by the risks?

Of course, but if you're one of those already exposed, which group would
you rather belong to? As an avid cyclist and a driver, I can honestly
say I've had far more close brushes with disaster in my car than on my
bike. At least riding a bike has heath benefits that allow one to enjoy
their life more and live longer. That far outweighs any risk of injury
or death.

Like I said, believe whatever you want.

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"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
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Brian! On any given day, there are less people on bikes than in cars. If
there are less people doing something risky, do you suppose they'd be
less likely to be affected by the risks?

Of course, but if you're one of those already exposed, which group would
you rather belong to? As an avid cyclist and a driver, I can honestly say
I've had far more close brushes with disaster in my car than on my bike.

Brian - think for a moment. You're mixing two different ideas. You're
correct - the odds of BEING in an accident are higher in your car. The odds
of being HURT in an accident, assuming you're on shared roadways, or far
higher on your bike. This is analogous to the nonsensical airlines' theory.
"Less accidents per miles travelled in planes, compared to cars". Yes,
that's true. But when your plane crashes, your chances of survival are, for
all intents and purposes, zero.



At least riding a bike has heath benefits that allow one to enjoy their
life more and live longer. That far outweighs any risk of injury or death.

Yes, there are health benefits. I ride on dedicated trails, where nobody's
driving anything that weighs more than my vehicle. My biggest risk is being
crushed by a very fat person on a bike, or a collision with a bee.

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I agree with Brian. Remember the guy from Kentucky [Look, I'm on topic!
Sorta.] who heard that most car accidents happen within five miles of
home, so he moved 15 miles down the road?

I also read that most people die in bed. I'm doing all-nighters every
other day to decrease my chances of dying by 50%, I'll tell you that
right now.

Steve (Cincinnati native)

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I agree with Brian. Remember the guy from Kentucky [Look, I'm on topic!
Sorta.] who heard that most car accidents happen within five miles of
home, so he moved 15 miles down the road?

drum crash!

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On 23 Mar 2006 07:42:44 -0800, "
wrote:

I agree with Brian. Remember the guy from Kentucky [Look, I'm on topic!
Sorta.] who heard that most car accidents happen within five miles of
home, so he moved 15 miles down the road?

I also read that most people die in bed. I'm doing all-nighters every
other day to decrease my chances of dying by 50%, I'll tell you that
right now.

Did you know that most people who die do so after seeing a doctor? I don't
know about you but I'm planning on planting an apple orchard.

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
Stings like a butterfly, floats like a bee

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Galen Hekhuis wrote:
On 23 Mar 2006 07:42:44 -0800, "
wrote:


I agree with Brian. Remember the guy from Kentucky [Look, I'm on topic!
Sorta.] who heard that most car accidents happen within five miles of
home, so he moved 15 miles down the road?

I also read that most people die in bed. I'm doing all-nighters every
other day to decrease my chances of dying by 50%, I'll tell you that
right now.


Did you know that most people who die do so after seeing a doctor? I don't
know about you but I'm planning on planting an apple orchard.

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
Stings like a butterfly, floats like a bee


Doctor's offices and hospitals are terrible places to visit...full of
sick people. Yuck!

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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
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Brian! On any given day, there are less people on bikes than in cars. If
there are less people doing something risky, do you suppose they'd be
less likely to be affected by the risks?

Of course, but if you're one of those already exposed, which group would
you rather belong to? As an avid cyclist and a driver, I can honestly say
I've had far more close brushes with disaster in my car than on my bike.


Brian - think for a moment. You're mixing two different ideas. You're
correct - the odds of BEING in an accident are higher in your car. The odds
of being HURT in an accident, assuming you're on shared roadways, or far
higher on your bike. This is analogous to the nonsensical airlines' theory.
"Less accidents per miles travelled in planes, compared to cars". Yes,
that's true. But when your plane crashes, your chances of survival are, for
all intents and purposes, zero.

Granted, but if you never get in an accident in the first place, you're
chances of dying are also zero. The stats I've seen on flying have
always been about the odds of DYING in a plane crash, so it's not like
anyone's trying to hide the fact that a plane crash means almost certain
death. I think it's fair to say that the public assumes that.

At least riding a bike has heath benefits that allow one to enjoy their
life more and live longer. That far outweighs any risk of injury or death.

Yes, there are health benefits. I ride on dedicated trails, where nobody's
driving anything that weighs more than my vehicle. My biggest risk is being
crushed by a very fat person on a bike, or a collision with a bee.

That's nice, but I daresay that most people don't have that option.
Additionally, the trails I've been on, which are typically multi-use,
are far more dangerous than the open roadways. They're full of walkers,
runners, families with kids on bikes and worst of all, inline skaters.
These people are every bit as oblivious as drivers and are far less
predictable. I'll take a large road with a wide shoulder or a sparsely
travelled back road over these trails any day.

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"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
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Brian - think for a moment. You're mixing two different ideas. You're
correct - the odds of BEING in an accident are higher in your car. The
odds of being HURT in an accident, assuming you're on shared roadways, or
far higher on your bike. This is analogous to the nonsensical airlines'
theory. "Less accidents per miles travelled in planes, compared to cars".
Yes, that's true. But when your plane crashes, your chances of survival
are, for all intents and purposes, zero.

Granted, but if you never get in an accident in the first place, you're
chances of dying are also zero. The stats I've seen on flying have always
been about the odds of DYING in a plane crash, so it's not like anyone's
trying to hide the fact that a plane crash means almost certain death. I
think it's fair to say that the public assumes that.

Maybe the airlines have stopped repeating the "less accidents per mile"
nonsense. Anyone who's taken a statistics class should puke when they hear
that.



At least riding a bike has heath benefits that allow one to enjoy their
life more and live longer. That far outweighs any risk of injury or
death.

Yes, there are health benefits. I ride on dedicated trails, where
nobody's driving anything that weighs more than my vehicle. My biggest
risk is being crushed by a very fat person on a bike, or a collision with
a bee.

That's nice, but I daresay that most people don't have that option.
Additionally, the trails I've been on, which are typically multi-use, are
far more dangerous than the open roadways. They're full of walkers,
runners, families with kids on bikes and worst of all, inline skaters.
These people are every bit as oblivious as drivers and are far less
predictable. I'll take a large road with a wide shoulder or a sparsely
travelled back road over these trails any day.

Yeah, well still, I'd rather fall off a bike than be slammed into by a car.
But, I took physics in school, so maybe I'm wrong.