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Check out e-tecinfonet.org for some interesting data including
performance/consuption info with triple engines. Butch |
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"Butch Davis" wrote in message nk.net... Check out e-tecinfonet.org for some interesting data including performance/consuption info with triple engines. Butch Thanks, Butch, Karen, Notice both the triple engine E-TEC 250 hp rigs can cruise close to 35mph while consuming less than 9 gph per motor. Each one burns less than your stated 30 gph at 35 mph when you were talking about with lighter twin engine boats and didn't believe Gene's first hand account of fuel consumption! Once again you are "blown out of the water" with published facts and not someone's anonymous internet posts. I drove that same HydraSport late last year and the power is amazing for that much weight. The boat has a good hull for rough water and the motors will push you back into the leaning post when you accelerate from a dead stop or from a cruise speed. These are large heavy boats, add up all the weights including full gas tanks that cost over $1000 to fill up. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Give it up, Bill. The trolldroll of Australia has no interest in data that contradicts her nonsense. What? And give up my quest for Truth, Justice, and the American way! :) :) |
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
I've finally committed to changing the 200 FICHT on my Ranger over to a 225 E-TEC - boats already at the shop being done as I speak - took it down this morning. You might want to check with these folk, http://www.boat-lettering.com/ before commissioning that E-Tec equipped boat this Spring. See if you can work a discount on the name Titanic. -- Skipper |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Tom knows what he is doing. You, on the other hand, do not. Did I mention that in M/C racing I started out in the open class with a TR-6. Now that was one fine bike. I dropped down to the 250 class because that's where the hottest competition was. I believe you do better competing with the best. NI know Bill Grannis knows what he's doing and respect his advice. It puzzles me that he was so wrong in the Ficht issue with Karen. And Tom, well, I remain unconvinced until he wins his stripes. You, however, are well known to be full of schidt, chicken schidt. -- Skipper |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Billgran wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Give it up, Bill. The trolldroll of Australia has no interest in data that contradicts her nonsense. What? And give up my quest for Truth, Justice, and the American way! :) :) Ahhh! Yes, indeedy! Actually, I think that her imaginary "blokes" have left her, and she's now hoping Snipper will move down under and diddle her. Now that you mention it... Karen never brings up the 'blokes' anymore. Did she drive them away? |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Tom knows what he is doing. You, on the other hand, do not. Did I mention that in M/C racing I started out The only "racing" you do is race baiting. As usual, you have your senses and tenses flummoxed again, Krause. -- Skipper |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
I've got a "verbal deposit" on a non-existent 300 hp Yamaha four stroke...but I suspect it'll have to be on a different block than is being used for the 225 and 250. If Yamaha ever gets around to manufacturing it. Harry, Just so's you know, the F225 and the F250 are already completely different blocks. Even the 2002 and 2003 engine blocks and internals are completely different animals from the '04 and later models, with hardly any interchageability. You may have a very long wait for an "F300" . According to the Suzuki folks, it will be sometime in 2007 even before their 300hp 4-stroke engine will be readily available. |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: I've finally committed to changing the 200 FICHT on my Ranger over to a 225 E-TEC - boats already at the shop being done as I speak - took it down this morning. You might want to check with these folk, http://www.boat-lettering.com/ before commissioning that E-Tec equipped boat this Spring. See if you can work a discount on the name Titanic. -- Skipper Good grief! RCE |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... Harry Krause wrote: Skipper wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Tom knows what he is doing. You, on the other hand, do not. Did I mention that in M/C racing I started out The only "racing" you do is race baiting. As usual, you have your senses and tenses flummoxed again, Krause. -- Skipper Heheheh .... snicker RCE |
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Billgran wrote:
"Butch Davis" wrote in message nk.net... Check out e-tecinfonet.org for some interesting data including performance/consuption info with triple engines. Butch Thanks, Butch, Karen, Notice both the triple engine E-TEC 250 hp rigs can cruise close to 35mph while consuming less than 9 gph per motor. Each one burns less than your stated 30 gph at 35 mph when you were talking about with lighter twin engine boats and didn't believe Gene's first hand account of fuel consumption! Once again you are "blown out of the water" with published facts and not someone's anonymous internet posts. You really are insane runaway:-) The "claim" was a Contender 31 "cruising" at 35 mph on between 8 & 11 gph!!!! NO mention of per engine if that was the claim then right there is the admission it was a deliberate deceptive lie by a NG BS'ter!!! & I've queried it ever since & still no "per" engine claim. You really don't understand do you??? a very fast & light boat with lots of prop pitch (for top speed) & 3 engines!!!! can do 35mph on 27 gph which is almost exactly as I worked out for the original deception I said; It's very high 20s -30 gph. So your latest attempted marketing deception falls over again. The BS dealer marketing page claims a ridiculous 23.28 gph @ 35 mph!!!! the "corrected" numbers for that BRP dealer deception page are 27 gph. Just as you tried with Ficht you need to silence me because I challenge your marketing BS, I still can't believe it but people actually fall for your BS. I don't care how you do it 1 big engine, 2, 3, or 6 it will take about 300Hp to push boats of that size & weight at 35mph & that will take the best part of 30gph of fuel & ALL the proper independent tests confirm same for all the 2 strokes, & as expected the E-Tecs use MORE fuel than other 2 strokes & of course more than a proper 4 stroke. The BS dealer page is not "real" testing at all this is just false advertising by the boat/engine suppliers (the dealers group) on a faked up web page so they don't get sued as they should be for spreading such BS. If they actually published this marketing BS anyone who fell for it could & almost certainly would sue when it transpired it was just outright BS; that's if Yamaha or Brunswick didn't get them into court first. Funny thing is whenever the E-Tecs are independently tested they're heavy, overpriced, fuel hungry dogs?? Again that's not even factoring in that they're Ficht originating:-) So would people actually buy these engines knowing the lengths you dealers will go to carry off the latest deception???? What are you really trying to hide?? Yes clearly you're trying to hide the real E-Tec fuel consumption but are you dealers scared people will find out about the reliability of running engines lean at power??? I drove that same HydraSport late last year and the power is amazing for that much weight. The boat has a good hull for rough water and the motors will push you back into the leaning post when you accelerate from a dead stop or from a cruise speed. A 35 ft boat at under 8200lbs??? is heavy???? Don't buy one with your own money:-) These are large heavy boats, add up all the weights including full gas tanks that cost over $1000 to fill up. So don't use E-Tecs they're fuel hungry as the "independent" non E-Tec sponsored tests show. K |
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"K. Smith" wrote:
Billgran wrote: Once again you are "blown out of the water" with published facts and not someone's anonymous internet posts. You really are insane runaway:-) The "claim" was a Contender 31 "cruising" at 35 mph on between 8 & 11 gph!!!! I've followed these technical debates between you and Grannis for about a decade. Gotta say I'm very disappointed in Bill's honesty and unwillingness to admit it when he's been proven wrong as with Ficht. Sad. -- Skipper |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:17:30 +1100, "K. Smith" wrote:
I don't care how you do it 1 big engine, 2, 3, or 6 it will take about 300Hp to push boats of that size & weight at 35mph & that will take the best part of 30gph of fuel Sounds about right to me. 10 hp = 1 gph (gas) The laws of physics have not yet been over turned. |
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"K. Smith" wrote in message ... The "claim" was a Contender 31 "cruising" at 35 mph on between 8 & 11 gph!!!! NO mention of per engine if that was the claim then right there is the admission it was a deliberate deceptive lie by a NG BS'ter!!! A knowledgeable boat person would know that the claim was per engine, without it having to be explained. A 35 ft boat at under 8200lbs??? is heavy???? Don't buy one with your own money:-) Where did you get 8200 lbs.???? I guess you did not add up the weight of the 33' HydraSport of 8680# (not 8200) plus three 520+ # motors, all the rigging, 6 type 31 batteries, 2100# of fuel, 520# of people and gear, etc. A rough calculation would be around 13,300 pounds. Over 6.5 tons of vessel, gear, and people, that's a fairly heavy load to push thru the water with a deep V hull and still get 1.3 miles per gallon. |
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Billgran wrote:
K of Aussieland wrote: The "claim" was a Contender 31 "cruising" at 35 mph on between 8 & 11 gph!!!! NO mention of per engine if that was the claim then right there is the admission it was a deliberate deceptive lie by a NG BS'ter!!! A knowledgeable boat person would know that the claim was per engine, without it having to be explained. Are you claiming K does not know boats, or that we were not fed a large dose of BS regarding Ficht problems from a well known NW boating sage? -- Skipper |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Are you claiming K does not know boats She sure as hell knows nothing about modern technology outboards. Are you claiming you know more about diesel outboard research than she does? -- Skipper |
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Harry Krause wrote:
The only "proof" we have of her involvement in diesel outboards is a fuzzy photo of a rusted-out homebuilt outboard of some sort clamped onto a homemade bracket on the back of an old hulk boat, and her claim that the outboard in that photo is a Japanese diesel bolted onto a homemade lower unit. What kind of "proof" do we have that you actually do have that oft claimed fab Zimmermanlike lobster boat, Krause? Further, what evidence is there that you have any actually boating experience...other than posting to this NG 24/7/365? The sad truth is that you're a rather weak-minded racist nincompoop who actually believes your kind are the chosen. I've not seen anything from your keyboard that leads me to believe you know anything about boats and real boaters. You've backed away from every challenge and have been proven a lying fraud. -- Skipper |
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Billgran wrote:
"K. Smith" wrote in message ... The "claim" was a Contender 31 "cruising" at 35 mph on between 8 & 11 gph!!!! NO mention of per engine if that was the claim then right there is the admission it was a deliberate deceptive lie by a NG BS'ter!!! A knowledgeable boat person would know that the claim was per engine, without it having to be explained. A 35 ft boat at under 8200lbs??? is heavy???? Don't buy one with your own money:-) Where did you get 8200 lbs.???? I guess you did not add up the weight of the 33' HydraSport of 8680# (not 8200) plus three 520+ # motors, all the rigging, 6 type 31 batteries, 2100# of fuel, 520# of people and gear, etc. A rough calculation would be around 13,300 pounds. Over 6.5 tons of vessel, gear, and people, that's a fairly heavy load to push thru the water with a deep V hull and still get 1.3 miles per gallon. NO I was trying to be charitable & even worked it at 14000Lbs just for the sake of comparison. Was trying to let him admit it as a "mistake" if he wanted to. Personally I think it was a lie out & out. I don't think he even owns E-Tecs I think he posted the Ficht on the little Ranger, which in the context was a real try at deception, not that he can rival you of course:-) Take his claim in concert with the 34% less than last year claim & the 7000lbs more but "SAME" gph ?? No no runaway william he's trying to get brownie points with the local charter operator who does own the E-Tecs. He didn't take to opportunity to correct so........... After some of the personal abuse I've copped from you over the years I'm not much fussed by you now claiming Marquis of Queensbury rules. Like you he felt he'd got away with another E-Tec deception. It's called natural justice Runaway, he was given plenty of notice & opportunity to set his claim right & chose not to, sobeit. Well gee runaway you come along with even more bogus figures that more than double his fuel usage claim then say all is now well??? No all is not well, it was deceptive BS & just like you he needs to be called on it. By the way have you noticed how gutless the E-Tec 250 is even when it's still running??? that B&WE independent test torque number is of real concern. Hows this sound to help you sell more?? you refund peoples' money back down to the HP you actually give them??? I know as a matter of law you don't need to, but hey you're the marketer. K |
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