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In article , says...
http://www.patriotist.com/miscarch/as20020610.htm

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You're a friggin' idiot, Snippy.

Nice thing is you've got plenty of company.

jps

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"Skipper" wrote in message
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http://www.patriotist.com/miscarch/as20020610.htm

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That author's on drugs.

" But I'm not talking about his diplomatic recognition of Communist-occupied
China, and his betrayal of our loyal friends on Taiwan. "

He seems to have forgotten that diplomatic recognition of China began in
earnest with Nixon and Kissinger.

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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jps wrote in
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In article , says...
http://www.patriotist.com/miscarch/as20020610.htm

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You're a friggin' idiot, Snippy.

What statement(s) in the article is/are false?

Want a list? Not necessary. One screwup destroys the author's credibility.
See my other message.

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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jps wrote in
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In article , says...
http://www.patriotist.com/miscarch/as20020610.htm

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Skipper

You're a friggin' idiot, Snippy.

What statement(s) in the article is/are false?

Want a list?

Yes.

Not necessary. One screwup destroys the author's
credibility. See my other message.

http://hongkong.usconsulate.gov/uscn/docs/jc/790101.htm

"The United States of America and the People's Republic of China have
agreed to recognize each other and to establish diplomatic relations as of
January 1, 1979."

Article's right. You're wrong.

Oh. I forgot. You need simplicity, so you point to the date when a piece of
paper was signed. You don't want to know that the Chinese put on a banquet
for Nixon in 69 or 71 - somewhere in that range, and that we were also
sending diplomats (and ping pong players) back & forth constantly in those
days.

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Doug Kanter wrote:

http://www.patriotist.com/miscarch/as20020610.htm

You're a friggin' idiot, Snippy.

What statement(s) in the article is/are false?

One screwup destroys the author's credibility.

The Islamic fundies have declared WAR on America. We are in the war
today. Can you imagine what they will think if she is elected CIC? Real
Americans have had it with the two-faced Jimmy Carters and GI Janes:

http://tinyurl.com/cjov8

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Skipper

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Fred Dehl wrote:

What statement(s) in the article is/are false?

Want a list?

Yes.

Not necessary. One screwup destroys the author's
credibility. See my other message.

http://hongkong.usconsulate.gov/uscn/docs/jc/790101.htm

"The United States of America and the People's Republic of China have
agreed to recognize each other and to establish diplomatic relations as of
January 1, 1979."

Article's right. You're wrong.

Good get!

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Skipper

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Doug Kanter wrote:

http://hongkong.usconsulate.gov/uscn/docs/jc/790101.htm

"The United States of America and the People's Republic of China have
agreed to recognize each other and to establish diplomatic relations as of
January 1, 1979."

Article's right. You're wrong.

Oh. I forgot. You need simplicity, so you point to the date when a piece of
paper was signed. You don't want to know that the Chinese put on a banquet
for Nixon in 69 or 71 - somewhere in that range, and that we were also
sending diplomats (and ping pong players) back & forth constantly in those
days.

One really can't dismiss the damage Carter has inflicted on the US when
he gave away the Canal, turned his back on our Middle East allies, and
allowed China to become today's predominant power. History will record
Carter as the worst President and ex-President in US history. And that's
saying something considering LBJ.

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Skipper

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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jps wrote in
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In article , says...
http://www.patriotist.com/miscarch/as20020610.htm

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Skipper

You're a friggin' idiot, Snippy.

What statement(s) in the article is/are false?

Want a list?

Yes.

Not necessary. One screwup destroys the author's
credibility. See my other message.

http://hongkong.usconsulate.gov/uscn/docs/jc/790101.htm

"The United States of America and the People's Republic of China have
agreed to recognize each other and to establish diplomatic relations
as of January 1, 1979."

Article's right. You're wrong.

Oh. I forgot. You need simplicity, so you point to the date when a
piece of paper was signed. You don't want to know that the Chinese put
on a banquet for Nixon in 69 or 71 - somewhere in that range, and that
we were also sending diplomats (and ping pong players) back & forth
constantly in those days.

If you put ping pong players ahead of embassies in the defining of "the
establishment of diplomatic relations" there is no hope for you.

Not that this comes as news to anybody.

So, you're not familiar with the sheer volume of government contact we had
with China, 10 years before that piece of paper was signed? I suppose if the
piece of paper suits your definition of "who sucked off the Chinese first",
there's not much I can do to change your mind. But, the fact is, it was
Nixon & Kissinger. Nixon *needed* to do it, to put some kind of positive
spin on his work at the time.

How old are you?

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Skipper" wrote in message
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http://www.patriotist.com/miscarch/as20020610.htm

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Skipper

That author's on drugs.

" But I'm not talking about his diplomatic recognition of
Communist-occupied China, and his betrayal of our loyal friends on
Taiwan. "

http://hongkong.usconsulate.gov/uscn/docs/jc/790101.htm

"The United States of America and the People's Republic of China have
agreed to recognize each other and to establish diplomatic relations as of
January 1, 1979."

It appears you're the one on drugs.

That's your definition of when the serious dancing began? The piece of
paper? Not the 10 years' of work which began with Nixon & Kissinger?

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Doug Kanter wrote:

Nixon *needed* to do it, to put some kind of positive
spin on his work at the time.

How old are you?

Old enough to remember it was the radical wing of the Democratic party
that started the modern day politics of personal destruction. They blame
Republicans for all their blundering. And let's not forget the subject
here, Carter has done more real damage to America than any other
President.

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"Skipper" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:

http://hongkong.usconsulate.gov/uscn/docs/jc/790101.htm

"The United States of America and the People's Republic of China have
agreed to recognize each other and to establish diplomatic relations as
of
January 1, 1979."

Article's right. You're wrong.

Oh. I forgot. You need simplicity, so you point to the date when a piece
of
paper was signed. You don't want to know that the Chinese put on a
banquet
for Nixon in 69 or 71 - somewhere in that range, and that we were also
sending diplomats (and ping pong players) back & forth constantly in
those
days.

One really can't dismiss the damage Carter has inflicted on the US when
he gave away the Canal, turned his back on our Middle East allies, and
allowed China to become today's predominant power. History will record
Carter as the worst President and ex-President in US history. And that's
saying something considering LBJ.

Stick with the subject of when diplomatic relations were restored with
China. That was the late 1960s. The book "Kissinger", by Walter Isaacson
would be helpful to you, if you can find someone to read it to you.

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Doug Kanter wrote:

http://hongkong.usconsulate.gov/uscn/docs/jc/790101.htm

"The United States of America and the People's Republic of China have
agreed to recognize each other and to establish diplomatic relations as of
January 1, 1979."

It appears you're the one on drugs.

That's your definition of when the serious dancing began? The piece of
paper? Not the 10 years' of work which began with Nixon & Kissinger?

Obfuscation, the refuge of a scoundrel.

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Skipper

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"Skipper" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:

Nixon *needed* to do it, to put some kind of positive
spin on his work at the time.

How old are you?

Old enough to remember it was the radical wing of the Democratic party
that started the modern day politics of personal destruction. They blame
Republicans for all their blundering. And let's not forget the subject
here, Carter has done more real damage to America than any other
President.

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Skipper

I'm going to need an actual number for your age. Go ask your mom.

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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The Constitution is a "piece of paper"... do you have as much contempt for
it as for the Joint Communique on the Establishment of Diplomatic
Relations Between the United States of America and the People's
Republic of China?

I don't have any contempt for the diplomatic document you're describing.
But, I'd like to learn from you, so perhaps you can explain where you got
the idea that I have contempt for that document.



Nixon *needed* to do it, to put some kind of
positive spin on his work at the time.

So you're saying it's OK for a President to bypass Congress and the
Constitution and take unilateral action with regards to foreign policy in
order to prop up flagging poll numbers?

In order to properly answer your question, I'm going to need a list of the
types of activities which, in your opinion, are OK for a president to
undertake secretly, and which are not.

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"Skipper" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:

http://hongkong.usconsulate.gov/uscn/docs/jc/790101.htm

"The United States of America and the People's Republic of China have
agreed to recognize each other and to establish diplomatic relations as
of
January 1, 1979."

It appears you're the one on drugs.

That's your definition of when the serious dancing began? The piece of
paper? Not the 10 years' of work which began with Nixon & Kissinger?

Obfuscation, the refuge of a scoundrel.

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Skipper

Ignorance of history. The refuge of an idiot.

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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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The Constitution is a "piece of paper"... do you have as much contempt for
it as for the Joint Communique on the Establishment of Diplomatic
Relations Between the United States of America and the People's
Republic of China?

I don't have any contempt for the diplomatic document you're describing.
But, I'd like to learn from you, so perhaps you can explain where you got
the idea that I have contempt for that document.



Nixon *needed* to do it, to put some kind of
positive spin on his work at the time.

So you're saying it's OK for a President to bypass Congress and the
Constitution and take unilateral action with regards to foreign policy in
order to prop up flagging poll numbers?

In order to properly answer your question, I'm going to need a list of the
types of activities which, in your opinion, are OK for a president to
undertake secretly, and which are not.

If you are secretly illegally wiretapping the American public, that's
OK. If you are secretely getting a blow job, that's not OK. ;)

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Doug Kanter wrote:

Stick with the subject of when diplomatic relations were restored with
China. That was the late 1960s.

Apparently, some are unfamiliar with the phrase, "hold your friends
close and your enemies closer", eh, Kanter?

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Skipper

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"Skipper" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:

Stick with the subject of when diplomatic relations were restored with
China. That was the late 1960s.

Apparently, some are unfamiliar with the phrase, "hold your friends
close and your enemies closer", eh, Kanter?

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Skipper

What makes you think Nixon considered the Chinese to be enemies in 1970?
Where did you hear that?

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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The Constitution is a "piece of paper"... do you have as much
contempt for it as for the Joint Communique on the Establishment of
Diplomatic Relations Between the United States of America and the
People's Republic of China?

I don't have any contempt for the diplomatic document you're
describing. But, I'd like to learn from you, so perhaps you can
explain where you got the idea that I have contempt for that document.

You're dismissing it and trivializing it by referring to it (more than
once) as "that piece of paper", in a manner recalling your idol's referral
to "that woman, Miss Lewinsky".

The document was just a formality. Let me ask you this: Before the document,
how many years' of effort went into making it happen? I'm guessing you'll
say 2, but I could be wrong.



Nixon *needed* to do it, to put some kind of
positive spin on his work at the time.

So you're saying it's OK for a President to bypass Congress and the
Constitution and take unilateral action with regards to foreign
policy in order to prop up flagging poll numbers?

In order to properly answer your question, I'm going to need a list of
the types of activities which, in your opinion, are OK for a president
to undertake secretly, and which are not.

No, in order to properly answer my question, you're going to need the
ability to think.

Every president we've ever had has either used unilateral and/or secretive
tactics, or authorized (in writing) others to do so in his place. If you
don't believe this, back up your belief with facts.

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George W. Bush, hands down, for reasons too numerous to mention. History
will be hard on him.

Capt. Jeff

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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Stick with the subject of when diplomatic relations were restored with
China. That was the late 1960s. The book "Kissinger", by Walter Isaacson
would be helpful to you

When was the Constitution amended to grant Walter Isaacson the power to
retroactively conduct foreign policy?

Uh oh. Conversation almost over. Are you saying that writing a historical
book is equal to conducting foreign policy?

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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Skipper" wrote in message
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http://www.patriotist.com/miscarch/as20020610.htm

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Skipper

That author's on drugs.

" But I'm not talking about his diplomatic recognition of
Communist-occupied China, and his betrayal of our loyal friends on
Taiwan. "

http://hongkong.usconsulate.gov/uscn/docs/jc/790101.htm

"The United States of America and the People's Republic of China have
agreed to recognize each other and to establish diplomatic relations
as of January 1, 1979."

It appears you're the one on drugs.

That's your definition of when the serious dancing began?

The article does not refer to "serious dancing". David Bowie has not held
office in either the USA or the PRC.

The piece of
paper?

Yes. Read your Constitution.

Your only interest here is to blame Carter for a process which began 10
years before he took office. I believe the reason may be a problem which you
would prefer not to discuss here. But, you may wish to discuss it here at
some point, while you're still able to:
www.aa.org

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Skipper wrote:
Doug Kanter wrote:

http://www.patriotist.com/miscarch/as20020610.htm

You're a friggin' idiot, Snippy.

What statement(s) in the article is/are false?

One screwup destroys the author's credibility.

The Islamic fundies have declared WAR on America. We are in the war
today. Can you imagine what they will think if she is elected CIC? Real
Americans have had it with the two-faced Jimmy Carters and GI Janes:

http://tinyurl.com/cjov8

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Skipper
Real Americans have had it with AWOL-in-Chief Bush. And I have yet to
understand how a real veteran could salute a deserter.

Capt. Jeff

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Skipper wrote:
http://www.patriotist.com/miscarch/as20020610.htm

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Skipper,
It seems your one objective is to turn all posts in rec.boats back to
political posts or a series of name calling posts. It is a shame.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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Skipper wrote:
http://www.patriotist.com/miscarch/as20020610.htm

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Skipper
Skipper,
It seems your one objective is to turn all posts in rec.boats back to
political posts or a series of name calling posts. It is a shame.

--
Reggie

It's OK. By doing what he does, he flushes others like him out of the
woodwork. Fred Dehl, for instance.

Given a choice, some psychiatrists will choose to work in institutions for
the criminally insane, rather than have a private practice on the outside.
Scupper and his clone are providing us with a similar opportunity to see how
the other half "lives", if you can call it living.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

A solution is to not engage Skipper or Fred or others like them on their
hate-filled postulations....

Yeah, but when Dehl is drunk in the afternoon, he comes up with some real
gems that I can't resist messing with. Yesterday, he said that the author of
a book about Kissinger was guilty of the things done by the people he
described in the book. I'm hoping Freddie remembers what he wrote yesterday,
so we can continue exploring this amazing theory of his.

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Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:

http://www.patriotist.com/miscarch/as20020610.htm

A solution is to not engage Skipper or Fred or others like them on their
postulations, but simply to dump on them.

Yes, that might be a safer course for your side than an open honest
discussion of the issues. Can't say I blame you...but that will not
prevent the phacts from being presented.

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Skipper

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Harry Krause wrote:
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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Skipper wrote:
http://www.patriotist.com/miscarch/as20020610.htm

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Skipper
Skipper,
It seems your one objective is to turn all posts in rec.boats back to
political posts or a series of name calling posts. It is a shame.

--
Reggie

It's OK. By doing what he does, he flushes others like him out of the
woodwork. Fred Dehl, for instance.

Given a choice, some psychiatrists will choose to work in institutions
for the criminally insane, rather than have a private practice on the
outside. Scupper and his clone are providing us with a similar
opportunity to see how the other half "lives", if you can call it living.


A solution is to not engage Skipper or Fred or others like them on their
hate-filled postulations, but simply to dump on them for being racists,
anti-Semites and/or general buttholes. I notice that at least three
formerly frequent "nasty" posters here have practically disappeared,
mainly because they had nothing to offer but their low-brain-output
venom. Good riddance.

As a point of fact, a few of the very best therapists each year usually
are offered an opportunity to intern at large state forensic facilities
for a time, and they typically jump at the chance. The opportunity to
work with the sickest members of society is a stellar educational
experience. Offer up therapy to a "criminally insane" murderer gives you
insight into the mind you simply don't get with bored suburban housewives.

Or so I am told.
Harry,
Skipper doesn't care if you dump on him or engage in conversation.
Trolls don't care what you say, as long as you respond to them.

THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR ALL TROLLS IS TO TOTALLY IGNORE THEM.

I logged on today, at least 80% of the posts were responses to obvious
trolls.

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Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:40:42 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:16:43 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

A solution is to not engage Skipper or Fred or others like them on their
hate-filled postulations....

Yeah, but when Dehl is drunk in the afternoon, he comes up with some real
gems that I can't resist messing with. Yesterday, he said that the author of
a book about Kissinger was guilty of the things done by the people he
described in the book. I'm hoping Freddie remembers what he wrote yesterday,
so we can continue exploring this amazing theory of his.

Uh, when you deal with Dehl, you're dealing with a mental defective.
It's better to just let him drool. It's pretty much the same with
Skipper. Let him drool and show himself to be the idiot he is.

Begging the question of why you keep poking the weasel. :)

Asked ad infinitum, never answered.
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'Til next time,

John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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OT Our Worst President
 

Would that be the one who caught pneumonia due to an overly long winded
inauguration speech and died from it 10 months later?
Or the one who got us into the great depression?

I could go on and on.

"Skipper" wrote in message
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http://www.patriotist.com/miscarch/as20020610.htm

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OT Our Worst President
 

FREDO wrote:
Would that be the one who caught pneumonia due to an overly long winded
inauguration speech and died from it 10 months later?
Or the one who got us into the great depression?

I could go on and on.

"Skipper" wrote in message
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http://www.patriotist.com/miscarch/as20020610.htm

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Skipper


No, it would be George W. Bush, who can take all the credit for the mess
in Iraq, the world's opinion of us, the deficit, destruction of the
environment, reduction in human rights, the tanking of our economy, the
sale of our freedoms to fundamentalists of all kinds and the widening of
the gap between the rich and poor, just to name a few of his credits.
What a guy.

Impeach bush!!!

Capt. jeff