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Came across a genuinely bristol older boat........
wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: Nice write up. However the boat is very slow for a cruiser and is extremely overpriced. More than fast enough for a 34-foot cruiser in the Pacific NW. And don't forget, boats sell for more $$$ in the Pacific NW than almost anywhere else in the county. A top end speed of 20 knots is slow for a cruiser. I wonder it has to be at WOT to remain on plane. The price is justified by the nearly new diesels and the immaculate shape.......(IMO). Current owner has spent almost $80,000 in upgrades over the last four years- and while you never get that back it does make the boat worth at least a little more than an "average" boat of this age. I agree, to a point. It may be worth $55k, certainly not $80. A sistership with high hour twin 454's, faded gelcoat, and in "average condition" would probably bring $40,000 or so in the current Pacific NW market- I would guess. Figure that the market is punishing an average boat probably 15-25% right now if it's equipped with really thirsty gassers, and you're back up to $50,000. Figure a $10,000 premium for diesel, a $5,000 premium for low hours, and a $10,000 premium for virtually bristol and you're probably up to a price that would buy the boat. The extras are nice and make the boat more desireable, but you give them way too much credit. If it takes all that math to get up to "a price that would buy the boat", why is that such a deal? Because you would be unlikely to find a better example of this boat for sale anyplace. It's always cheaper to buy somebody else's upgrades for half price or less than to start with a beat up old boat and fool yourself into believing that a few grand here and a few grand there would change it from a "5" to a "10". Only a fool would throw $80 grand at a 22 year old 34 foot Wellcraft. |
Came across a genuinely bristol older boat........
RCE wrote: wrote in message oups.com... RCE wrote: wrote in message ps.com... I think (simply my opinion) that a modern diesel boat engine's lifespan is inversely proportional to it's horsepower. I know a guy that's been through 3 engine rebuilds or replacements of both Yanmar 600 hp engines on his boat in 6 years. He did a lot of fishing trips and never got much over 1000 hours on any of them. RCE I screwed up. His engines are *not* Yanmar. They are Manns. RCE Oh.... That might explain it, but I didn't know Dave was trying to manufacture diesel engines. (just kidding) FWIW: I think the correct spelling is M-A-N http://www.mandiesel.com/mome2.htm There was one guy from back east who was leading a virtual crusade against MAN Diesel just a few years ago. He kept experiencing (or at least claimed he was experiencing) piston failures at very low hours. I thought I heard he settled with MAN and as a condition of the settlement he had to take down his defamatory web sites. Wouldn't be your neighbor/acquaintance, would it? |
Came across a genuinely bristol older boat........
wrote in message ups.com... RCE wrote: wrote in message oups.com... RCE wrote: wrote in message ps.com... I think (simply my opinion) that a modern diesel boat engine's lifespan is inversely proportional to it's horsepower. I know a guy that's been through 3 engine rebuilds or replacements of both Yanmar 600 hp engines on his boat in 6 years. He did a lot of fishing trips and never got much over 1000 hours on any of them. RCE I screwed up. His engines are *not* Yanmar. They are Manns. RCE Oh.... That might explain it, but I didn't know Dave was trying to manufacture diesel engines. (just kidding) FWIW: I think the correct spelling is M-A-N http://www.mandiesel.com/mome2.htm There was one guy from back east who was leading a virtual crusade against MAN Diesel just a few years ago. He kept experiencing (or at least claimed he was experiencing) piston failures at very low hours. I thought I heard he settled with MAN and as a condition of the settlement he had to take down his defamatory web sites. Wouldn't be your neighbor/acquaintance, would it? No. He's not that type. Any problems he would have would be taken care of through his lawyer. RCE |
Came across a genuinely bristol older boat........
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Came across a genuinely bristol older boat........
In article , jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
says... wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: Nice write up. However the boat is very slow for a cruiser and is extremely overpriced. More than fast enough for a 34-foot cruiser in the Pacific NW. And don't forget, boats sell for more $$$ in the Pacific NW than almost anywhere else in the county. A top end speed of 20 knots is slow for a cruiser. I wonder it has to be at WOT to remain on plane. Where do you come up with these assumptions? A decent hull in that length will get on a plane at 12 to 14 kts. I expect that'd be in the 60 to 70% of WOT. jps |
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