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How do you teach a juvenile delinquent dog not to bark at everything he sees
in the back yard?
He's just over 10 months and is starting to feel his oats. We have a fenced
in backyard for him to romp around in but he has developed a liking to
standing at the fence line and barking at a neighbor's house that is quite a
ways back from the fence line. I want him to get used to playing around in
the back, but don't want to drive the neighbors nuts. He's proud of himself
because his voice has changed and now has a very deep, throaty bark.

If I call him back to the house he always comes. I just can't leave him out
there for very long.

RCE

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RCE wrote:
How do you teach a juvenile delinquent dog not to bark at everything he sees
in the back yard?
He's just over 10 months and is starting to feel his oats. We have a fenced
in backyard for him to romp around in but he has developed a liking to
standing at the fence line and barking at a neighbor's house that is quite a
ways back from the fence line. I want him to get used to playing around in
the back, but don't want to drive the neighbors nuts. He's proud of himself
because his voice has changed and now has a very deep, throaty bark.

If I call him back to the house he always comes. I just can't leave him out
there for very long.

RCE


Sounds like he has you trained. If he wants in from the cold &
damp...he barks at the neighbours.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...

Sounds like he has you trained. If he wants in from the cold & damp...he
barks at the neighbours.

I think you are right. He comes back to the house whenever I call him
because he gets rewarded with a "treat". So now, the barking has become
part of the routine.

RCE

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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:05:13 -0500, "RCE" wrote:



How do you teach a juvenile delinquent dog not to bark at everything he sees
in the back yard?
He's just over 10 months and is starting to feel his oats. We have a fenced
in backyard for him to romp around in but he has developed a liking to
standing at the fence line and barking at a neighbor's house that is quite a
ways back from the fence line. I want him to get used to playing around in
the back, but don't want to drive the neighbors nuts. He's proud of himself
because his voice has changed and now has a very deep, throaty bark.

If I call him back to the house he always comes. I just can't leave him out
there for very long.

RCE


Go sailing out the back door like a banshee yelling 'NO' as loudly and
gruffly as you possibly can. I'm assuming your dog understands 'NO'. That
worked for both my dogs.

Now I can no longer use the word "no" with the lab. She can't hear.

--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:05:13 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


How do you teach a juvenile delinquent dog not to bark at everything he
sees in the back yard?
He's just over 10 months and is starting to feel his oats. We have a
fenced in backyard for him to romp around in but he has developed a
liking to standing at the fence line and barking at a neighbor's house
that is quite a ways back from the fence line. I want him to get used
to playing around in the back, but don't want to drive the neighbors
nuts. He's proud of himself because his voice has changed and now has a
very deep, throaty bark.

If I call him back to the house he always comes. I just can't leave him
out there for very long.

RCE

Go sailing out the back door like a banshee yelling 'NO' as loudly and
gruffly as you possibly can. I'm assuming your dog understands 'NO'. That
worked for both my dogs.

Now I can no longer use the word "no" with the lab. She can't hear.

--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************


You guys need to move up to a category of pets smarter and less dependent
than dogs.

None of my cats bark. Further, each has a repertoire of tricks it performs
on its own, without coaxing. Some of these tricks seemingly defy gravity.

And each cat takes care of its own bathroom functions in the assigned
litter boxes. No need to worry about your pets' bowel habits if you leave
the house for a day or two.



Cats are fine except Mrs.E starts to sneeze, itch and get all watery-eyed if
she goes in a room where a cat was recently. Cat doesn't even have to be
there. I had an adopted cat once and it was cool. Ran after and fetched
sticks like a dog and followed me around the yard whenever I went out.
Unfortunately she met her demise when someone living here (not me)
accidentally ran it over with her car.

RCE

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"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

Sounds like he has you trained. If he wants in from the cold & damp...he
barks at the neighbours.

I think you are right. He comes back to the house whenever I call him
because he gets rewarded with a "treat". So now, the barking has become
part of the routine.

RCE


This ought to do the trick:
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firear...ore/1895G.aspx

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..


Sad. I never let my cats outside unless they are leashed or in a special
area from which they cannot escape. It's too easy to lose a pet.

My father in law is allergic to cats, too. When he comes for a visit, we
"entertain" outside.


Speaking of pets, Sam just had one of my new leather work boots for lunch.

He and I are going to have a little talk.

RCE

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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:43:44 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:05:13 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


How do you teach a juvenile delinquent dog not to bark at everything he sees
in the back yard?
He's just over 10 months and is starting to feel his oats. We have a fenced
in backyard for him to romp around in but he has developed a liking to
standing at the fence line and barking at a neighbor's house that is quite a
ways back from the fence line. I want him to get used to playing around in
the back, but don't want to drive the neighbors nuts. He's proud of himself
because his voice has changed and now has a very deep, throaty bark.

If I call him back to the house he always comes. I just can't leave him out
there for very long.

RCE


Go sailing out the back door like a banshee yelling 'NO' as loudly and
gruffly as you possibly can. I'm assuming your dog understands 'NO'. That
worked for both my dogs.

Now I can no longer use the word "no" with the lab. She can't hear.

--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************


You guys need to move up to a category of pets smarter and less
dependent than dogs.

None of my cats bark. Further, each has a repertoire of tricks it
performs on its own, without coaxing. Some of these tricks seemingly
defy gravity.

And each cat takes care of its own bathroom functions in the assigned
litter boxes. No need to worry about your pets' bowel habits if you
leave the house for a day or two.


Got cats too. Got one cat that thinks anything left on the floor in the way
of a briefcase, camera bag, or suitcase needs to be 'marked'. My wife won't
let me shoot it. It, BTW, is the 'almost twin' of yours.

Both of them are 'lap' cats. Strangely, the white faced one sits on my lap,
and the orange faced one sits on my wife's. They *never* switch. In the
picture on abpso, Huguenot (Huey) is the one on the left, Tobias (Toby) the
one on the right. Although both are male, only Toby feels the need to mark
things.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:02:07 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

Sounds like he has you trained. If he wants in from the cold & damp...he
barks at the neighbours.

I think you are right. He comes back to the house whenever I call him
because he gets rewarded with a "treat". So now, the barking has become
part of the routine.

RCE


This ought to do the trick:
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firear...ore/1895G.aspx


Cool! This was my 'squirrel gun' when I was a kid. I hadn't thought about
it for ages, until you posted that site. Brings back lots of memories.

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firear...Golden39A.aspx
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:43:44 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:05:13 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

How do you teach a juvenile delinquent dog not to bark at everything
he sees in the back yard?
He's just over 10 months and is starting to feel his oats. We have a
fenced in backyard for him to romp around in but he has developed a
liking to standing at the fence line and barking at a neighbor's house
that is quite a ways back from the fence line. I want him to get used
to playing around in the back, but don't want to drive the neighbors
nuts. He's proud of himself because his voice has changed and now has
a very deep, throaty bark.

If I call him back to the house he always comes. I just can't leave
him out there for very long.

RCE
Go sailing out the back door like a banshee yelling 'NO' as loudly and
gruffly as you possibly can. I'm assuming your dog understands 'NO'.
That
worked for both my dogs.

Now I can no longer use the word "no" with the lab. She can't hear.

--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

You guys need to move up to a category of pets smarter and less
dependent than dogs.

None of my cats bark. Further, each has a repertoire of tricks it
performs on its own, without coaxing. Some of these tricks seemingly
defy gravity.

And each cat takes care of its own bathroom functions in the assigned
litter boxes. No need to worry about your pets' bowel habits if you
leave the house for a day or two.


Got cats too. Got one cat that thinks anything left on the floor in the
way
of a briefcase, camera bag, or suitcase needs to be 'marked'. My wife
won't
let me shoot it. It, BTW, is the 'almost twin' of yours.

Both of them are 'lap' cats. Strangely, the white faced one sits on my
lap,
and the orange faced one sits on my wife's. They *never* switch. In the
picture on abpso, Huguenot (Huey) is the one on the left, Tobias (Toby)
the
one on the right. Although both are male, only Toby feels the need to
mark
things.
--
'Til next time,

John H


Are they "fixed"? All our cats have been fixed, and none marks.
One of our older male adoptees, Casper, howls if he's sleeping by the
window and a critter happens by...


Both of ours (both are females) are fixed also. We never had a problem with
them "marking" things.

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JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:02:07 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

This ought to do the trick:
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firear...ore/1895G.aspx


Cool! This was my 'squirrel gun' when I was a kid. I hadn't thought about
it for ages, until you posted that site. Brings back lots of memories.

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firear...Golden39A.aspx
--
'Til next time,

John H

You hunted squirrels with a 45-70? That round was designed for buffalo!

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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:27:05 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:43:44 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:05:13 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

How do you teach a juvenile delinquent dog not to bark at everything he sees
in the back yard?
He's just over 10 months and is starting to feel his oats. We have a fenced
in backyard for him to romp around in but he has developed a liking to
standing at the fence line and barking at a neighbor's house that is quite a
ways back from the fence line. I want him to get used to playing around in
the back, but don't want to drive the neighbors nuts. He's proud of himself
because his voice has changed and now has a very deep, throaty bark.

If I call him back to the house he always comes. I just can't leave him out
there for very long.

RCE

Go sailing out the back door like a banshee yelling 'NO' as loudly and
gruffly as you possibly can. I'm assuming your dog understands 'NO'. That
worked for both my dogs.

Now I can no longer use the word "no" with the lab. She can't hear.

--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

You guys need to move up to a category of pets smarter and less
dependent than dogs.

None of my cats bark. Further, each has a repertoire of tricks it
performs on its own, without coaxing. Some of these tricks seemingly
defy gravity.

And each cat takes care of its own bathroom functions in the assigned
litter boxes. No need to worry about your pets' bowel habits if you
leave the house for a day or two.


Got cats too. Got one cat that thinks anything left on the floor in the way
of a briefcase, camera bag, or suitcase needs to be 'marked'. My wife won't
let me shoot it. It, BTW, is the 'almost twin' of yours.

Both of them are 'lap' cats. Strangely, the white faced one sits on my lap,
and the orange faced one sits on my wife's. They *never* switch. In the
picture on abpso, Huguenot (Huey) is the one on the left, Tobias (Toby) the
one on the right. Although both are male, only Toby feels the need to mark
things.
--
'Til next time,

John H


Are they "fixed"? All our cats have been fixed, and none marks.
One of our older male adoptees, Casper, howls if he's sleeping by the
window and a critter happens by...

Yeah, both fixed. That's part of the animal shelter deal. I'd always
thought the same thing about 'fixed' cats, but now I know better. We just
don't leave briefcases, etc., laying on the floor or tables open any more.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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On 16 Feb 2006 11:36:05 -0800, wrote:


JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:02:07 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

This ought to do the trick:
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firear...ore/1895G.aspx


Cool! This was my 'squirrel gun' when I was a kid. I hadn't thought about
it for ages, until you posted that site. Brings back lots of memories.

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firear...Golden39A.aspx
--
'Til next time,

John H

You hunted squirrels with a 45-70? That round was designed for buffalo!

No, look at the link in my response.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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Oh...OK. My ISP's news service is acting retarded today, so I'm
temporarily in google groups. Not used to it. I almost got my son a
39A, but opted for a Ruger 10-22 instead. Didn't want to spend the
money until I was sure he was really interested.

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:05:13 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

How do you teach a juvenile delinquent dog not to bark at everything he
sees
in the back yard?

The first and best way is to train the dog not to bark. That often
requires your presence with the dog and normal behavior training. The
following is what I tell people to do and it often works.

One is that you personally invest time with the dog - probably for a
couple of weeks using positive reinforcement to train your dog to bark
on command; this will help him learn how to be quieted on command as
well.

The other way is to invest in a citronella no-bark collar, which is
effective and not cruel; if your dog barks, the collar sprays a small
amount of citronella, which dogs dislike. It works well, but doesn't
help you become a command presence for the dog and actually is a
negative type of training. It doesn't allow for command presence. If
your dog needs to bark at something he is afraid of, for instance, the
citronella collar doesn't work as well.

The best way is the first way - on command.

Mrs.E has actually spent a lot of time with him and has done a good job.
He's basically obedient, sits, stays, all that stuff. She also taught him
to "speak" but only softly. If he barks loud - no reward. He's just trying
my patience. He's surprisingly smart ... for a dog.

He was just out there barking again. The door is open, so I hollered at
him. He came trotting in looking for his reward. Not this time.

RCE

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Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote:

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:05:13 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


How do you teach a juvenile delinquent dog not to bark at everything
he sees in the back yard?
He's just over 10 months and is starting to feel his oats. We have a
fenced in backyard for him to romp around in but he has developed a
liking to standing at the fence line and barking at a neighbor's
house that is quite a ways back from the fence line. I want him to
get used to playing around in the back, but don't want to drive the
neighbors nuts. He's proud of himself because his voice has changed
and now has a very deep, throaty bark.

If I call him back to the house he always comes. I just can't leave
him out there for very long.

RCE


Go sailing out the back door like a banshee yelling 'NO' as loudly and
gruffly as you possibly can. I'm assuming your dog understands 'NO'. That
worked for both my dogs.

Now I can no longer use the word "no" with the lab. She can't hear.

--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************



You guys need to move up to a category of pets smarter and less
dependent than dogs.

None of my cats bark. Further, each has a repertoire of tricks it
performs on its own, without coaxing. Some of these tricks seemingly
defy gravity.

And each cat takes care of its own bathroom functions in the assigned
litter boxes. No need to worry about your pets' bowel habits if you
leave the house for a day or two.



We've been living relatively trouble free with the same cat for about 14
years. Now the wife is getting wound up about a dog. She may have
already pre-ordered an English Springer Spaniel pup from a proposed June
litter. Guess who'll get to walk it 3 times a day and clean up it's s*it.

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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:06:59 GMT, Don White wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote:

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:05:13 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


How do you teach a juvenile delinquent dog not to bark at everything
he sees in the back yard?
He's just over 10 months and is starting to feel his oats. We have a
fenced in backyard for him to romp around in but he has developed a
liking to standing at the fence line and barking at a neighbor's
house that is quite a ways back from the fence line. I want him to
get used to playing around in the back, but don't want to drive the
neighbors nuts. He's proud of himself because his voice has changed
and now has a very deep, throaty bark.

If I call him back to the house he always comes. I just can't leave
him out there for very long.

RCE


Go sailing out the back door like a banshee yelling 'NO' as loudly and
gruffly as you possibly can. I'm assuming your dog understands 'NO'. That
worked for both my dogs.

Now I can no longer use the word "no" with the lab. She can't hear.

--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************



You guys need to move up to a category of pets smarter and less
dependent than dogs.

None of my cats bark. Further, each has a repertoire of tricks it
performs on its own, without coaxing. Some of these tricks seemingly
defy gravity.

And each cat takes care of its own bathroom functions in the assigned
litter boxes. No need to worry about your pets' bowel habits if you
leave the house for a day or two.



We've been living relatively trouble free with the same cat for about 14
years. Now the wife is getting wound up about a dog. She may have
already pre-ordered an English Springer Spaniel pup from a proposed June
litter. Guess who'll get to walk it 3 times a day and clean up it's s*it.

And tie you down like no cat ever would.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:56:03 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:05:13 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

How do you teach a juvenile delinquent dog not to bark at everything he
sees
in the back yard?

The first and best way is to train the dog not to bark. That often
requires your presence with the dog and normal behavior training. The
following is what I tell people to do and it often works.

One is that you personally invest time with the dog - probably for a
couple of weeks using positive reinforcement to train your dog to bark
on command; this will help him learn how to be quieted on command as
well.

The other way is to invest in a citronella no-bark collar, which is
effective and not cruel; if your dog barks, the collar sprays a small
amount of citronella, which dogs dislike. It works well, but doesn't
help you become a command presence for the dog and actually is a
negative type of training. It doesn't allow for command presence. If
your dog needs to bark at something he is afraid of, for instance, the
citronella collar doesn't work as well.

The best way is the first way - on command.

Mrs.E has actually spent a lot of time with him and has done a good job.
He's basically obedient, sits, stays, all that stuff. She also taught him
to "speak" but only softly. If he barks loud - no reward. He's just
trying
my patience. He's surprisingly smart ... for a dog.

He was just out there barking again. The door is open, so I hollered at
him. He came trotting in looking for his reward. Not this time.

The problem is that you have to connect the discipline with the
activity - just like a two year old. He's used to getting a reward
for coming in, but at the same time, it's not connected to the
unwanted barking activity. In his mind, he barks, you holler, he gets
to come in and chow down. It's much to complicated for him to
understand at this point. Later on, he might make the connection, but
not at this age.

You have to be with him to get him to stop or use a mechanical device.

Do you ever use shock collars, like those I see in hunting catalogs?

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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:56:03 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:05:13 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


How do you teach a juvenile delinquent dog not to bark at everything he
sees
in the back yard?

The first and best way is to train the dog not to bark. That often
requires your presence with the dog and normal behavior training. The
following is what I tell people to do and it often works.

One is that you personally invest time with the dog - probably for a
couple of weeks using positive reinforcement to train your dog to bark
on command; this will help him learn how to be quieted on command as
well.

The other way is to invest in a citronella no-bark collar, which is
effective and not cruel; if your dog barks, the collar sprays a small
amount of citronella, which dogs dislike. It works well, but doesn't
help you become a command presence for the dog and actually is a
negative type of training. It doesn't allow for command presence. If
your dog needs to bark at something he is afraid of, for instance, the
citronella collar doesn't work as well.

The best way is the first way - on command.

Mrs.E has actually spent a lot of time with him and has done a good job.
He's basically obedient, sits, stays, all that stuff. She also taught him
to "speak" but only softly. If he barks loud - no reward. He's just
trying
my patience. He's surprisingly smart ... for a dog.

He was just out there barking again. The door is open, so I hollered at
him. He came trotting in looking for his reward. Not this time.

The problem is that you have to connect the discipline with the
activity - just like a two year old. He's used to getting a reward
for coming in, but at the same time, it's not connected to the
unwanted barking activity. In his mind, he barks, you holler, he gets
to come in and chow down. It's much to complicated for him to
understand at this point. Later on, he might make the connection, but
not at this age.

You have to be with him to get him to stop or use a mechanical device.


Do you ever use shock collars, like those I see in hunting catalogs?


My sister bought one of those for her Corgi.
That dumb dog was so stubborn, he'd bark anyway. Reminded me of that
'Simpsons' episode where the whole family was hooked up to electrodes at
a research clinic and kept shocking each other.

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

The problem is that you have to connect the discipline with the
activity - just like a two year old. He's used to getting a reward
for coming in, but at the same time, it's not connected to the
unwanted barking activity. In his mind, he barks, you holler, he gets
to come in and chow down. It's much to complicated for him to
understand at this point. Later on, he might make the connection, but
not at this age.

You have to be with him to get him to stop or use a mechanical device.

Not to be difficult, but I've tried. I have spent an hour at a time with
him out there several times. If I am with him, he doesn't bark because he's
too busy trying to get me to play. (which he is mostly successful at).

I went down to the PetMart or whatever it is this morning and found a spray
collar. It was in a locked case so the store manager was called to open it.
As he handed it to me he asked what kind of dog I had. I told him he was a
10 and a half month old, 94lb Lab. The guy laughed at me and took the spray
collar package back. He said it wouldn't faze him at all. So, I asked what
he recommended and he produced a collar that looks like it came from the
dark caverns of the Inquisition. It's a shock type with two metal prongs
and an adjustable shock level.

Couldn't do it. Handed it back to him and said thanks, anyway.

RCE

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"Don White" wrote in message
...

Doug Kanter wrote:

Do you ever use shock collars, like those I see in hunting catalogs?
My sister bought one of those for her Corgi.
That dumb dog was so stubborn, he'd bark anyway. Reminded me of that
'Simpsons' episode where the whole family was hooked up to electrodes at a
research clinic and kept shocking each other.


The store manager at the PetMart also told me that although Labs are super
people friendly and affectionate, they aren't exactly the sharpest tack in
the drawer, as dogs go.

I like him though. He's just a big goofus.

RCE

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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:29:35 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
...

Doug Kanter wrote:

Do you ever use shock collars, like those I see in hunting catalogs?
My sister bought one of those for her Corgi.
That dumb dog was so stubborn, he'd bark anyway. Reminded me of that
'Simpsons' episode where the whole family was hooked up to electrodes at a
research clinic and kept shocking each other.


The store manager at the PetMart also told me that although Labs are super
people friendly and affectionate, they aren't exactly the sharpest tack in
the drawer, as dogs go.

I like him though. He's just a big goofus.

RCE


My daughter used a shock collar on their new bulldog. They used it to keep
it from jumping on visitors, and it worked well. I don't see how it could
be useful to keep a dog from barking only at certain times and places. I
would want the dog to bark if someone were walking in my yard, for example.

The collar didn't help a bit when it came to the dog's chewing of
furniture!
--
'Til next time,

John H

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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The problem is that you have to connect the discipline with the
activity - just like a two year old. He's used to getting a reward
for coming in, but at the same time, it's not connected to the
unwanted barking activity. In his mind, he barks, you holler, he gets
to come in and chow down. It's much to complicated for him to
understand at this point. Later on, he might make the connection, but
not at this age.

You have to be with him to get him to stop or use a mechanical device.

Not to be difficult, but I've tried. I have spent an hour at a time with
him out there several times. If I am with him, he doesn't bark because
he's too busy trying to get me to play. (which he is mostly successful
at).

I went down to the PetMart or whatever it is this morning and found a
spray collar. It was in a locked case so the store manager was called to
open it. As he handed it to me he asked what kind of dog I had. I told him
he was a 10 and a half month old, 94lb Lab. The guy laughed at me and
took the spray collar package back. He said it wouldn't faze him at all.
So, I asked what he recommended and he produced a collar that looks like
it came from the dark caverns of the Inquisition. It's a shock type with
two metal prongs and an adjustable shock level.

Couldn't do it. Handed it back to him and said thanks, anyway.

RCE


I think it was Gary Larson (Far Side) who once did a cartoon about labs. 4
frames showing various dog moods. Happy, sad, bored, sad. In all four, the
lab is sorta smiling with its tongue hanging out, and drooling.

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I would want the dog to bark if someone were walking in my yard, for
example.


John H


Anybody that ventures into our yard better watch out. Sam will lick you to
death.

RCE

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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:29:35 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:

Do you ever use shock collars, like those I see in hunting catalogs?
My sister bought one of those for her Corgi.
That dumb dog was so stubborn, he'd bark anyway. Reminded me of that
'Simpsons' episode where the whole family was hooked up to electrodes at
a
research clinic and kept shocking each other.


The store manager at the PetMart also told me that although Labs are super
people friendly and affectionate, they aren't exactly the sharpest tack in
the drawer, as dogs go.

I like him though. He's just a big goofus.

RCE


My daughter used a shock collar on their new bulldog. They used it to keep
it from jumping on visitors, and it worked well. I don't see how it could
be useful to keep a dog from barking only at certain times and places. I
would want the dog to bark if someone were walking in my yard, for
example.

The collar didn't help a bit when it came to the dog's chewing of
furniture!

I can't imagine how anyone even entertains the idea of having a dog, if
there's a chance of it ruining nice furniture. Maybe it helps to own crappy
furniture.

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wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:29:35 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
...

Doug Kanter wrote:

Do you ever use shock collars, like those I see in hunting catalogs?
My sister bought one of those for her Corgi.
That dumb dog was so stubborn, he'd bark anyway. Reminded me of that
'Simpsons' episode where the whole family was hooked up to electrodes at
a
research clinic and kept shocking each other.


The store manager at the PetMart also told me that although Labs are super
people friendly and affectionate, they aren't exactly the sharpest tack in
the drawer, as dogs go.

I like him though. He's just a big goofus.

RCE


My daughter used a shock collar on their new bulldog. They used it to keep
it from jumping on visitors, and it worked well. I don't see how it could
be useful to keep a dog from barking only at certain times and places. I
would want the dog to bark if someone were walking in my yard, for
example.

The collar didn't help a bit when it came to the dog's chewing of
furniture!

I can't imagine how anyone even entertains the idea of having a dog, if
there's a chance of it ruining nice furniture. Maybe it helps to own crappy
furniture.


Totally agree. The original furniture was old. They just bought some new
stuff. It took the dog all of about two days to get a moment when it wasn't
being watched to chew up a leg on the couch.

No sympathy coming from dad on this one. This is their second dog, cost
almost $1000, and was an impulse buy by the SIL. My advice was to take it
to the local animal shelter or to a 'friends of bulldogs' group. But, they
don't want to give it up.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:07:06 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:29:35 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
...

Doug Kanter wrote:

Do you ever use shock collars, like those I see in hunting catalogs?
My sister bought one of those for her Corgi.
That dumb dog was so stubborn, he'd bark anyway. Reminded me of that
'Simpsons' episode where the whole family was hooked up to electrodes
at
a
research clinic and kept shocking each other.


The store manager at the PetMart also told me that although Labs are
super
people friendly and affectionate, they aren't exactly the sharpest tack
in
the drawer, as dogs go.

I like him though. He's just a big goofus.

RCE


My daughter used a shock collar on their new bulldog. They used it to
keep
it from jumping on visitors, and it worked well. I don't see how it
could
be useful to keep a dog from barking only at certain times and places. I
would want the dog to bark if someone were walking in my yard, for
example.

The collar didn't help a bit when it came to the dog's chewing of
furniture!

I can't imagine how anyone even entertains the idea of having a dog, if
there's a chance of it ruining nice furniture. Maybe it helps to own
crappy
furniture.


Totally agree. The original furniture was old. They just bought some new
stuff. It took the dog all of about two days to get a moment when it
wasn't
being watched to chew up a leg on the couch.

No sympathy coming from dad on this one. This is their second dog, cost
almost $1000, and was an impulse buy by the SIL. My advice was to take it
to the local animal shelter or to a 'friends of bulldogs' group. But, they
don't want to give it up.
--
'Til next time,

John H

I'm guessing Ethan Allen and Stickley have dog breeding operations all
around the country.

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I can't imagine how anyone even entertains the idea of having a dog, if
there's a chance of it ruining nice furniture. Maybe it helps to own
crappy furniture.


If you don't understand, you never will, either. Here, the dogs are far
more valuable than the furniture.

Nothing wrong with not liking dogs, but you are missing out on a very
special commitment of friendship.

RCE

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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:30:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:07:06 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:29:35 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
...

Doug Kanter wrote:

Do you ever use shock collars, like those I see in hunting catalogs?
My sister bought one of those for her Corgi.
That dumb dog was so stubborn, he'd bark anyway. Reminded me of that
'Simpsons' episode where the whole family was hooked up to electrodes
at
a
research clinic and kept shocking each other.


The store manager at the PetMart also told me that although Labs are
super
people friendly and affectionate, they aren't exactly the sharpest tack
in
the drawer, as dogs go.

I like him though. He's just a big goofus.

RCE


My daughter used a shock collar on their new bulldog. They used it to
keep
it from jumping on visitors, and it worked well. I don't see how it
could
be useful to keep a dog from barking only at certain times and places. I
would want the dog to bark if someone were walking in my yard, for
example.

The collar didn't help a bit when it came to the dog's chewing of
furniture!

I can't imagine how anyone even entertains the idea of having a dog, if
there's a chance of it ruining nice furniture. Maybe it helps to own
crappy
furniture.


Totally agree. The original furniture was old. They just bought some new
stuff. It took the dog all of about two days to get a moment when it
wasn't
being watched to chew up a leg on the couch.

No sympathy coming from dad on this one. This is their second dog, cost
almost $1000, and was an impulse buy by the SIL. My advice was to take it
to the local animal shelter or to a 'friends of bulldogs' group. But, they
don't want to give it up.
--
'Til next time,

John H

I'm guessing Ethan Allen and Stickley have dog breeding operations all
around the country.


LOL!
--
'Til next time,

John H

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:07:06 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:



I can't imagine how anyone even entertains the idea of having a dog, if
there's a chance of it ruining nice furniture. Maybe it helps to own
crappy
furniture.


Totally agree. The original furniture was old. They just bought some new
stuff. It took the dog all of about two days to get a moment when it
wasn't
being watched to chew up a leg on the couch.



I am sitting here at my desk - a nice desk. It's oval in shape and has a
leather top with drawers and compartments all over the place for my stuff.
Mrs.E found it in a very unusual furniture shop.

Since Sam Adams joined the family 10 months ago the bottom of the desk has
acquired lots of teeth marks and chew damage. I've repaired it once by
sanding and staining, but the damage is done.

But, the way I look at it, ... 20 years from now (if I am still around) I
am going to look at the bottom of the damaged desk and will recall, with
fond, happy memories, the unique creature that he is, Samuel Adams. The
furniture can be repaired or replaced. The unique personality of a living
creature, even a lowly dog, cannot.



RCE

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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I can't imagine how anyone even entertains the idea of having a dog, if
there's a chance of it ruining nice furniture. Maybe it helps to own
crappy furniture.


If you don't understand, you never will, either. Here, the dogs are far
more valuable than the furniture.

Nothing wrong with not liking dogs, but you are missing out on a very
special commitment of friendship.

RCE


Hmmm...lemme think a moment. $1800.00 Ethan Allen cabinet...dog....EA
cabinet.....dog.....I'll take the cabinet, and my cat, who learned in about
11 minutes to use the scratching post, and never ****s with the furniture.
She can murder a pair of shoelaces in under 15 seconds, but I can deal with
$1.29 every so often.

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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:21:20 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:07:06 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:



I can't imagine how anyone even entertains the idea of having a dog, if
there's a chance of it ruining nice furniture. Maybe it helps to own
crappy
furniture.


Totally agree. The original furniture was old. They just bought some new
stuff. It took the dog all of about two days to get a moment when it
wasn't
being watched to chew up a leg on the couch.



I am sitting here at my desk - a nice desk. It's oval in shape and has a
leather top with drawers and compartments all over the place for my stuff.
Mrs.E found it in a very unusual furniture shop.

Since Sam Adams joined the family 10 months ago the bottom of the desk has
acquired lots of teeth marks and chew damage. I've repaired it once by
sanding and staining, but the damage is done.

But, the way I look at it, ... 20 years from now (if I am still around) I
am going to look at the bottom of the damaged desk and will recall, with
fond, happy memories, the unique creature that he is, Samuel Adams. The
furniture can be repaired or replaced. The unique personality of a living
creature, even a lowly dog, cannot.



RCE


Understandable. I feel the same way about Buffy, my lab, who, BTW, is going
to the vet this afternoon. The tumor is looking worse every day. I'm afraid
the time is coming very soon to have her put to sleep.

The bulldog has gone through the legs and several cushions of the family
room furniture, chewed the corners off an oak coffee table, chewed the
corners off all the low window sills in the kitchen and family room, and
has now started on the new furniture. If it were an only dog that they'd
had for a while, I could understand it better. They've got another dog, two
cats, and two (soon to be three) kids under four years old. Perhaps the dog
just needs the attention someone like you or I could provide. As it is, the
dog spends most of its life in a cage. I don't like it, but it's their dog.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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A friend's two dogs chewed a wiring harness out from under his Jaguar. He
was not amused. He had to have his invisible fence system completely
rearranged so he's able to park in his own driveway. That's friggin nuts.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
...


If you don't understand, you never will, either. Here, the dogs are far
more valuable than the furniture.

Nothing wrong with not liking dogs, but you are missing out on a very
special commitment of friendship.

RCE


Hmmm...lemme think a moment. $1800.00 Ethan Allen cabinet...dog....EA
cabinet.....dog.....I'll take the cabinet, and my cat, who learned in
about 11 minutes to use the scratching post, and never ****s with the
furniture. She can murder a pair of shoelaces in under 15 seconds, but I
can deal with $1.29 every so often.


I am not talking dollar values.

RCE

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Doug Kanter wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
...
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
The problem is that you have to connect the discipline with the
activity - just like a two year old. He's used to getting a reward
for coming in, but at the same time, it's not connected to the
unwanted barking activity. In his mind, he barks, you holler, he gets
to come in and chow down. It's much to complicated for him to
understand at this point. Later on, he might make the connection, but
not at this age.

You have to be with him to get him to stop or use a mechanical device.
Not to be difficult, but I've tried. I have spent an hour at a time with
him out there several times. If I am with him, he doesn't bark because
he's too busy trying to get me to play. (which he is mostly successful
at).

I went down to the PetMart or whatever it is this morning and found a
spray collar. It was in a locked case so the store manager was called to
open it. As he handed it to me he asked what kind of dog I had. I told him
he was a 10 and a half month old, 94lb Lab. The guy laughed at me and
took the spray collar package back. He said it wouldn't faze him at all.
So, I asked what he recommended and he produced a collar that looks like
it came from the dark caverns of the Inquisition. It's a shock type with
two metal prongs and an adjustable shock level.

Couldn't do it. Handed it back to him and said thanks, anyway.

RCE


I think it was Gary Larson (Far Side) who once did a cartoon about labs. 4
frames showing various dog moods. Happy, sad, bored, sad. In all four, the
lab is sorta smiling with its tongue hanging out, and drooling.


Great cartoon, but it was about the only dog dumber than a lab, an Irish
Setter, the blond of the dog world.

--
Reggie
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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A friend's two dogs chewed a wiring harness out from under his Jaguar. He
was not amused. He had to have his invisible fence system completely
rearranged so he's able to park in his own driveway. That's friggin nuts.


Hafa admit. *That* would be a real test of my patience.

RCE

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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
A friend's two dogs chewed a wiring harness out from under his Jaguar. He
was not amused. He had to have his invisible fence system completely
rearranged so he's able to park in his own driveway. That's friggin nuts.


Hafa admit. *That* would be a real test of my patience.

RCE


It would be a test of my ability to build a silencer for my handgun, to be
used just twice.

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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
...
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
The problem is that you have to connect the discipline with the
activity - just like a two year old. He's used to getting a reward
for coming in, but at the same time, it's not connected to the
unwanted barking activity. In his mind, he barks, you holler, he gets
to come in and chow down. It's much to complicated for him to
understand at this point. Later on, he might make the connection, but
not at this age.

You have to be with him to get him to stop or use a mechanical device.
Not to be difficult, but I've tried. I have spent an hour at a time
with him out there several times. If I am with him, he doesn't bark
because he's too busy trying to get me to play. (which he is mostly
successful at).

I went down to the PetMart or whatever it is this morning and found a
spray collar. It was in a locked case so the store manager was called
to open it. As he handed it to me he asked what kind of dog I had. I
told him he was a 10 and a half month old, 94lb Lab. The guy laughed at
me and took the spray collar package back. He said it wouldn't faze him
at all. So, I asked what he recommended and he produced a collar that
looks like it came from the dark caverns of the Inquisition. It's a
shock type with two metal prongs and an adjustable shock level.

Couldn't do it. Handed it back to him and said thanks, anyway.

RCE


I think it was Gary Larson (Far Side) who once did a cartoon about labs.
4 frames showing various dog moods. Happy, sad, bored, sad. In all four,
the lab is sorta smiling with its tongue hanging out, and drooling.
Great cartoon, but it was about the only dog dumber than a lab, an Irish
Setter, the blond of the dog world.

--
Reggie

I think that's what my neighbor had. When the wind blew, the dog's skull
made a sound like a conch shell.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
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If you don't understand, you never will, either. Here, the dogs are far
more valuable than the furniture.

Nothing wrong with not liking dogs, but you are missing out on a very
special commitment of friendship.

RCE


Hmmm...lemme think a moment. $1800.00 Ethan Allen cabinet...dog....EA
cabinet.....dog.....I'll take the cabinet, and my cat, who learned in
about 11 minutes to use the scratching post, and never ****s with the
furniture. She can murder a pair of shoelaces in under 15 seconds, but I
can deal with $1.29 every so often.


I am not talking dollar values.

RCE


I guess I prefer the companionship of organisms that don't need to destroy
things in order to be happy.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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A friend's two dogs chewed a wiring harness out from under his Jaguar. He
was not amused. He had to have his invisible fence system completely
rearranged so he's able to park in his own driveway. That's friggin nuts.


Hafa admit. *That* would be a real test of my patience.

RCE


It would be a test of my ability to build a silencer for my handgun, to be
used just twice.


Besides the fact that I am allergic to dogs (dander and saliva) that is
another reason we don't have one.

My wife loves them and gets her fix by visiting the pet store every week and
playing with our friends puppy.

We have 2 cats, both female, both fixed, both declawed front and rear, both
inside cats. They provide enough love and companionship for me and are
definitely fun to play with.

Consider this scenario:

Actors: Dog and cat.

Scene: Both run full speed onto a slippery floor and while trying to make a
turn lose control and run into a wall.

Responses:

Dog: Tail wagging, drool coming from the corner of the mouth, still
stumbling to get up....as if to say (in the voice of Lennie from "Of Mice
and Men") "Didja see that boss, didja, didja see that? I falled down. Did
I do good boss? Did I, did I?"

Cat: Walking away gracefully, tail up, full confidence....as if to say in
the voice of Sir Laurence Olivier: "I meant to do that."