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9mm is for Wimps
The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most
powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc -- Skipper |
9mm is for Wimps
"Skipper" wrote in message ... The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc -- Skipper Actually, only a complete idiot would make that a defensive carry weapon. |
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Skipper wrote:
The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc -- Skipper How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns? If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here... http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...ert_Eagle.html or here... http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm Dan |
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Dan Krueger wrote:
Skipper wrote: The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns? If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here... http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...ert_Eagle.html or here... http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm I have a TC. and you'd have to shoot the Casull and visit the Wizard to know what I'm tellin' you, Krueger. BTW, protect your forehead when you pull the trigger of a Casull. -- Skipper |
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Tamaroak wrote:
Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. That sure seems like progress to me... The world needs more of these and those who love them, no question about it. Capt. Jeff Serenity prayer: God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Say it a hundred times, Captain...may help. -- Skipper |
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Skipper wrote:
Tamaroak wrote: Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. That sure seems like progress to me... The world needs more of these and those who love them, no question about it. Capt. Jeff Serenity prayer: God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Say it a hundred times, Captain...may help. This NG is a great forum for God 'n guns, we are all self-moderated. -- Skipper |
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Skipper wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote: Skipper wrote: The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns? If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here... http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...ert_Eagle.html or here... http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm I have a TC. and you'd have to shoot the Casull and visit the Wizard to know what I'm tellin' you, Krueger. BTW, protect your forehead when you pull the trigger of a Casull. -- Skipper TC in which caliber? |
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Dan Krueger wrote:
I have a TC. TC in which caliber? ..50 -- Skipper |
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That sure seems like progress to me...
The world needs more of these and those who love them, no question about it. Capt. Jeff |
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"Dan Krueger" wrote in message link.net... Skipper wrote: The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc -- Skipper How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns? If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here... http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...ert_Eagle.html or here... http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm Dan mid 1980's and I went to a gun show at Norco, Calif. You could shoot any of the guns there. Was about a buck a shot for the 454 casull. Saw what it did to a steel plate, cool. And also what it did to the shooter. No thanks at shooting it. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Dan Krueger" wrote: Skipper wrote: The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns? If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here... mid 1980's and I went to a gun show at Norco, Calif. You could shoot any of the guns there. Was about a buck a shot for the 454 casull. Saw what it did to a steel plate, cool. And also what it did to the shooter. No thanks at shooting it. Knew a real westerner couldn't be phooled. Ah, but Harry, he's an eastern dude with known physical coordination challenges. Expect he'd crack his skull 'bout down the middle of his forehead if he touched one off...a well deserved mod, IMO. -- Skipper |
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:56:30 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Dan Krueger" wrote in message link.net... Skipper wrote: The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc -- Skipper How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns? If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here... http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...ert_Eagle.html or here... http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm mid 1980's and I went to a gun show at Norco, Calif. You could shoot any of the guns there. Was about a buck a shot for the 454 casull. Saw what it did to a steel plate, cool. And also what it did to the shooter. No thanks at shooting it. It's one thing to have a gun like that - quite another to actually shoot it with any kind of accuracy. It is also one thing to clean up after shotting a burglar with a 9 mm and quite another to clean up after shooting some with a 454 Casual. ;) Can you imagine your wife (or the average male) trying to use this gun in an emergency or using this gun for target practice. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
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Reggie Smithers wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: It's one thing to have a gun like that - quite another to actually shoot it with any kind of accuracy. It is also one thing to clean up after shotting a burglar with a 9 mm and quite another to clean up after shooting some with a 454 Casual. ;) And should you ever have to use the .454 Casull for its intended purpose, the last thing in the world you’ll be paying attention to is recoil...or cleanup. Using full-power .454 ammunition, the Casull's purpose is close-up protection from in-your-face predators with fangs and claws. If your original intention was to land that salmon when momma grizz suddenly takes exception to your presence, that Casull will come in mighty handy. -- Skipper |
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:02:30 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:56:30 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Dan Krueger" wrote in message link.net... Skipper wrote: The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc -- Skipper How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns? If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here... http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...ert_Eagle.html or here... http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm mid 1980's and I went to a gun show at Norco, Calif. You could shoot any of the guns there. Was about a buck a shot for the 454 casull. Saw what it did to a steel plate, cool. And also what it did to the shooter. No thanks at shooting it. It's one thing to have a gun like that - quite another to actually shoot it with any kind of accuracy. It is also one thing to clean up after shotting a burglar with a 9 mm and quite another to clean up after shooting some with a 454 Casual. ;) Can you imagine your wife (or the average male) trying to use this gun in an emergency or using this gun for target practice. It appears ( http://www.magnumresearch.com/images/BFR.pdf ) that this handgun will also fire the .410 shotgun shell, or something similar. That may be the best of both worlds for someone who wanted a lot of home protection. Hide a dozen or so of these around the house and you'd feel quite secure - until the grandkids came over! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... Reggie Smithers wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: It's one thing to have a gun like that - quite another to actually shoot it with any kind of accuracy. It is also one thing to clean up after shotting a burglar with a 9 mm and quite another to clean up after shooting some with a 454 Casual. ;) And should you ever have to use the .454 Casull for its intended purpose, the last thing in the world you'll be paying attention to is recoil...or cleanup. Using full-power .454 ammunition, the Casull's purpose is close-up protection from in-your-face predators with fangs and claws. If your original intention was to land that salmon when momma grizz suddenly takes exception to your presence, that Casull will come in mighty handy. -- Skipper Moron. The "intended purpose" (according to Dick Casull) for that caliber was hunting. In every test you see in the gun publications, the muzzle flash is enormous. In a dark encounter with a bad guy, the flash would blind you, and the second shot, which you MUST be ready for, would be next to impossible to aim accurately. You could probably find ONE gun shop owner who'd recommend such a gun for defense, but he'd probably be a descendant of the same toothless idiot who spawned you. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
And should you ever have to use the .454 Casull for its intended purpose, the last thing in the world you'll be paying attention to is recoil...or cleanup. Using full-power .454 ammunition, the Casull's purpose is close-up protection from in-your-face predators with fangs and claws. If your original intention was to land that salmon when momma grizz suddenly takes exception to your presence, that Casull will come in mighty handy. The Bass Pro shop up near Bal'mer has a couple of those huge caliber handguns in its show case, and the last time I was in the store, I handled them just to see what they would be like. Anyone who lives outside of Alaska, or somewhere else "grizz" or polar bears frequent is trying to compensate for a small dick. And I wonder how useful it would be for self-protection from a charging bear. The damned animals move fast, the big handguns are very heavy, and unless you've had a lot of practice with one, you're not going to be able to fire it accurately. Here's a little snubbie for the true sportsman: http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/rgrRH/ http://www.magnumresearch.com/images/BFR.pdf -- Skipper |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Skipper wrote: Here's a little snubbie for the true sportsman: Zip your fly; no one wants to see your genitalia. LMAO. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote: Here's a little snubbie for the true sportsman: Zip your fly; no one wants to see your genitalia. I normally don't find Harry's barb's to be particularly witty or humorous, but this one was as good as it gets. Reminds me of Chicago kids have a "cut fight". -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
... Anyone who lives outside of Alaska, or somewhere else "grizz" or polar bears frequent is trying to compensate for a small dick. Quite a few deer hunters use large pistols, although .44 magnum works about as well as .454, in the hands of a skilled shooter. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Anyone who lives outside of Alaska, or somewhere else "grizz" or polar bears frequent is trying to compensate for a small dick. Quite a few deer hunters use large pistols, although .44 magnum works about as well as .454, in the hands of a skilled shooter. Deer hunter...there's something inherently amusing about that phrase...a false implication of mystery, danger, intrigue, skill... Sorry...I see too many deer crossing the woods on my property to think it requires any particular high-level skill to shoot and kill one with a gun. I could use my upper level French door opening as a "stand," and shoot one deer after another from 100 yards away. You've apparently never met a good hunter who was also concerned with choosing the right ones to take from a certain population in an area. Some hunters are managers as much as marksmen. |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Dan Krueger" wrote: Skipper wrote: The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns? If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here... mid 1980's and I went to a gun show at Norco, Calif. You could shoot any of the guns there. Was about a buck a shot for the 454 casull. Saw what it did to a steel plate, cool. And also what it did to the shooter. No thanks at shooting it. Knew a real westerner couldn't be phooled. Ah, but Harry, he's an eastern dude with known physical coordination challenges. Expect he'd crack his skull 'bout down the middle of his forehead if he touched one off...a well deserved mod, IMO. -- Skipper Well, you could be fooled as Kansas is not the west. |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Anyone who lives outside of Alaska, or somewhere else "grizz" or polar bears frequent is trying to compensate for a small dick. Quite a few deer hunters use large pistols, although .44 magnum works about as well as .454, in the hands of a skilled shooter. Deer hunter...there's something inherently amusing about that phrase...a false implication of mystery, danger, intrigue, skill... Sorry...I see too many deer crossing the woods on my property to think it requires any particular high-level skill to shoot and kill one with a gun. I could use my upper level French door opening as a "stand," and shoot one deer after another from 100 yards away. You've apparently never met a good hunter who was also concerned with choosing the right ones to take from a certain population in an area. Some hunters are managers as much as marksmen. And there is a large difference between the local well fed deer in a neighborhood and one out in the wild that gets hunted by man and beast alike. We have a couple of mountain lions in the area, but they are severely out numbered by the deer. You have to go at least 10 miles from here before you could hunt them. Every once in a while, one gets hit by a car, but they are pretty good at getting out of the way. Lots of experience, and speed limits. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "Skipper" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Dan Krueger" wrote: Skipper wrote: The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns? If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here... mid 1980's and I went to a gun show at Norco, Calif. You could shoot any of the guns there. Was about a buck a shot for the 454 casull. Saw what it did to a steel plate, cool. And also what it did to the shooter. No thanks at shooting it. Knew a real westerner couldn't be phooled. Ah, but Harry, he's an eastern dude with known physical coordination challenges. Expect he'd crack his skull 'bout down the middle of his forehead if he touched one off...a well deserved mod, IMO. -- Skipper Well, you could be fooled as Kansas is not the west. Nor is it a place for boating....unless one enjoys a paddleboat on a farm pond. ;-) Nothing but queers and steers in Kansas. |
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"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:15:46 GMT, Dan Krueger wrote: Skipper wrote: The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc -- Skipper How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns? If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here... http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...ert_Eagle.html or here... http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm I have a Magnum Research Lone Eagle in 30-06. That's one damn powerful handgun, much more so than a .454. I also have a 30-30 barrel for it so I can take my Winchester 94 in 30-30 and the pistol and they can both use the same ammo. Steve The problem is the barrel length. The rifle cartridge is set up for a burn of about 14-16 inches of barrel length. Smokeless powder is a propellant, not an explosive. You are still having bunches of unburned powder as the bullet leaves the barrel. Lots of flash. Years ago, I had a Rugar 30 Carbine shooting pistol. If you did not kill the animal, you burned it alive with the muzzle blast. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
mid 1980's and I went to a gun show at Norco, Calif. You could shoot any of the guns there. Was about a buck a shot for the 454 casull. Saw what it did to a steel plate, cool. And also what it did to the shooter. No thanks at shooting it. Knew a real westerner couldn't be phooled. Ah, but Harry, he's an eastern dude with known physical coordination challenges. Expect he'd crack his skull 'bout down the middle of his forehead if he touched one off...a well deserved mod, IMO. Well, you could be fooled as Kansas is not the west. What! Dodge City and Wichita wur NOT in the old west? Slap yur sides pawdna! http://www.vlib.us/old_west/guns.html -- Skipper |
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Skippy,
Which gun do you own? A Ruger .22 rimfire? Or a cute little .25 auto that can fit in the palm of your hand? Fredo "Skipper" wrote in message ... The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc -- Skipper |
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I know a few hunters who use a Thompson Center .35 for hunting. Real
accurate out to 100 yards with a scope and tripod. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Anyone who lives outside of Alaska, or somewhere else "grizz" or polar bears frequent is trying to compensate for a small dick. Quite a few deer hunters use large pistols, although .44 magnum works about as well as .454, in the hands of a skilled shooter. |
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I wonder if all the hair on his fingers gets snagged in the trigger.
"FREDO" wrote in message . .. Skippy, Which gun do you own? A Ruger .22 rimfire? Or a cute little .25 auto that can fit in the palm of your hand? Fredo "Skipper" wrote in message ... The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc -- Skipper |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "Skipper" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Dan Krueger" wrote: Skipper wrote: The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns? If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here... mid 1980's and I went to a gun show at Norco, Calif. You could shoot any of the guns there. Was about a buck a shot for the 454 casull. Saw what it did to a steel plate, cool. And also what it did to the shooter. No thanks at shooting it. Knew a real westerner couldn't be phooled. Ah, but Harry, he's an eastern dude with known physical coordination challenges. Expect he'd crack his skull 'bout down the middle of his forehead if he touched one off...a well deserved mod, IMO. -- Skipper Well, you could be fooled as Kansas is not the west. Nor is it a place for boating....unless one enjoys a paddleboat on a farm pond. ;-) Nothing but queers and steers in Kansas. |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "Skipper" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Dan Krueger" wrote: Skipper wrote: The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns? If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here... mid 1980's and I went to a gun show at Norco, Calif. You could shoot any of the guns there. Was about a buck a shot for the 454 casull. Saw what it did to a steel plate, cool. And also what it did to the shooter. No thanks at shooting it. Knew a real westerner couldn't be phooled. Ah, but Harry, he's an eastern dude with known physical coordination challenges. Expect he'd crack his skull 'bout down the middle of his forehead if he touched one off...a well deserved mod, IMO. -- Skipper Well, you could be fooled as Kansas is not the west. Nor is it a place for boating....unless one enjoys a paddleboat on a farm pond. ;-) Nothing but queers and steers in Kansas. I did not know that, you from Kansas? As to boating, they do have lakes and a very large river bordering the state. |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: mid 1980's and I went to a gun show at Norco, Calif. You could shoot any of the guns there. Was about a buck a shot for the 454 casull. Saw what it did to a steel plate, cool. And also what it did to the shooter. No thanks at shooting it. Knew a real westerner couldn't be phooled. Ah, but Harry, he's an eastern dude with known physical coordination challenges. Expect he'd crack his skull 'bout down the middle of his forehead if he touched one off...a well deserved mod, IMO. Well, you could be fooled as Kansas is not the west. What! Dodge City and Wichita wur NOT in the old west? Slap yur sides pawdna! http://www.vlib.us/old_west/guns.html -- Skipper Was the western part of the US, before they went really west. And my parents are from the Mid-west, and mom grew up a mile from the Wyoming border. Further west than Kansas. Still have a large range of mountains to cross after Kansas to reach the real west. And from Topeka, KS to Richmond, VA it is 1128 miles, while the other way going west it is 1798 miles to San Francisco. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
http://www.vlib.us/old_west/guns.html Was the western part of the US, before they went really west. California gained statehood in 1850, making them part of western history. One must remember that their part of western history was the dudified part (need we mention San Fransisco today). Yes, I know Levis were invented there. But the REAL west where men were men was in Texas, injun territory, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, and Kansas. Reach for leather, pahdnah! -- Skipper |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: http://www.vlib.us/old_west/guns.html Was the western part of the US, before they went really west. California gained statehood in 1850, making them part of western history. One must remember that their part of western history was the dudified part (need we mention San Fransisco today). Yes, I know Levis were invented there. But the REAL west where men were men was in Texas, injun territory, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, and Kansas. Reach for leather, pahdnah! -- Skipper Last indian war in the US was in California. And the gold rush brought a bunch of pansies west? Other than white perverts Kansas biggest danger was rabid skunks. OK Corral was a battle between a few wackos. White ones at that. My great grandmother homesteaded in Nebraska. Lived in a Sodie for while. The indians would stop to look in and sometimes come in to squat and warm themselves at the fire. Most lived in peace. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Skipper" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: mid 1980's and I went to a gun show at Norco, Calif. You could shoot any of the guns there. Was about a buck a shot for the 454 casull. Saw what it did to a steel plate, cool. And also what it did to the shooter. No thanks at shooting it. Knew a real westerner couldn't be phooled. Ah, but Harry, he's an eastern dude with known physical coordination challenges. Expect he'd crack his skull 'bout down the middle of his forehead if he touched one off...a well deserved mod, IMO. Well, you could be fooled as Kansas is not the west. What! Dodge City and Wichita wur NOT in the old west? Slap yur sides pawdna! http://www.vlib.us/old_west/guns.html -- Skipper Was the western part of the US, before they went really west. And my parents are from the Mid-west, and mom grew up a mile from the Wyoming border. Further west than Kansas. Still have a large range of mountains to cross after Kansas to reach the real west. And from Topeka, KS to Richmond, VA it is 1128 miles, while the other way going west it is 1798 miles to San Francisco. So you tryin' to saddle the East with Skippy's home town? Them's fightin' words! |
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"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:59:10 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:15:46 GMT, Dan Krueger wrote: Skipper wrote: The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc -- Skipper How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns? If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here... http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...ert_Eagle.html or here... http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm I have a Magnum Research Lone Eagle in 30-06. That's one damn powerful handgun, much more so than a .454. I also have a 30-30 barrel for it so I can take my Winchester 94 in 30-30 and the pistol and they can both use the same ammo. Steve The problem is the barrel length. The rifle cartridge is set up for a burn of about 14-16 inches of barrel length. Smokeless powder is a propellant, not an explosive. You are still having bunches of unburned powder as the bullet leaves the barrel. Lots of flash. Years ago, I had a Rugar 30 Carbine shooting pistol. If you did not kill the animal, you burned it alive with the muzzle blast. Unless you reload it yourself and set it up for a shorter burn time. ;) Not that I bother to do that though. However, while it's true you lose some power in the shorter barrel, it's not as bad as you might think since the powder doesn't burn at an even rate. Most of it burns quickly. Also, while I forget the exact barrel length, it's not all that much shorter than a rifle, maybe something like 10". That's because you don't have the stock or the receiver behind the cartridge adding that extra length. Except for maybe 1.5" for the cannon breech plus the length of the brass, the entire length of the pistol is usable barrel. (unless you use the muzzle brake, which is higly recommended for 30-06 but not really needed for 30-30.) At any rate, even though due to the shorter barrel you lose some of the power when compared to a rifle, it's still way more than a .454 casul http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms...Lone_Eagle.htm Steve Maybe I am a wimp, or just cheap. When I used to shoot a lot, I shot 38 special in my 357. Much easier on the body of the shooter. |
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"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:59:10 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:15:46 GMT, Dan Krueger wrote: Skipper wrote: The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc -- Skipper How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns? If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here... http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...ert_Eagle.html or here... http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm I have a Magnum Research Lone Eagle in 30-06. That's one damn powerful handgun, much more so than a .454. I also have a 30-30 barrel for it so I can take my Winchester 94 in 30-30 and the pistol and they can both use the same ammo. Steve The problem is the barrel length. The rifle cartridge is set up for a burn of about 14-16 inches of barrel length. Smokeless powder is a propellant, not an explosive. You are still having bunches of unburned powder as the bullet leaves the barrel. Lots of flash. Years ago, I had a Rugar 30 Carbine shooting pistol. If you did not kill the animal, you burned it alive with the muzzle blast. Funny, after I posted that link I finally read it. Spec'd barrel length is 15.125". I suspect that's wrong though since it's the same as the overall length and you have to allow some for the rotating breech behind the barrel, which isn't that much but it's something. I guess it depends on how barrel length is specified but if it were up to me, I wouldn't include the breech just like I wouldn't include the receiver when specifying barrel length of a repeating rifle. Steve My Ruger had an about 9" barrel. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Skipper" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: mid 1980's and I went to a gun show at Norco, Calif. You could shoot any of the guns there. Was about a buck a shot for the 454 casull. Saw what it did to a steel plate, cool. And also what it did to the shooter. No thanks at shooting it. Knew a real westerner couldn't be phooled. Ah, but Harry, he's an eastern dude with known physical coordination challenges. Expect he'd crack his skull 'bout down the middle of his forehead if he touched one off...a well deserved mod, IMO. Well, you could be fooled as Kansas is not the west. What! Dodge City and Wichita wur NOT in the old west? Slap yur sides pawdna! http://www.vlib.us/old_west/guns.html -- Skipper Was the western part of the US, before they went really west. And my parents are from the Mid-west, and mom grew up a mile from the Wyoming border. Further west than Kansas. Still have a large range of mountains to cross after Kansas to reach the real west. And from Topeka, KS to Richmond, VA it is 1128 miles, while the other way going west it is 1798 miles to San Francisco. So you tryin' to saddle the East with Skippy's home town? Them's fightin' words! Closer to the east than the west. |
9mm is for Wimps
"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message ... On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:51:18 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:59:10 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message m... [...] The problem is the barrel length. The rifle cartridge is set up for a burn of about 14-16 inches of barrel length. Smokeless powder is a propellant, not an explosive. You are still having bunches of unburned powder as the bullet leaves the barrel. Lots of flash. Years ago, I had a Rugar 30 Carbine shooting pistol. If you did not kill the animal, you burned it alive with the muzzle blast. Unless you reload it yourself and set it up for a shorter burn time. ;) Not that I bother to do that though. However, while it's true you lose some power in the shorter barrel, it's not as bad as you might think since the powder doesn't burn at an even rate. Most of it burns quickly. Also, while I forget the exact barrel length, it's not all that much shorter than a rifle, maybe something like 10". That's because you don't have the stock or the receiver behind the cartridge adding that extra length. Except for maybe 1.5" for the cannon breech plus the length of the brass, the entire length of the pistol is usable barrel. (unless you use the muzzle brake, which is higly recommended for 30-06 but not really needed for 30-30.) At any rate, even though due to the shorter barrel you lose some of the power when compared to a rifle, it's still way more than a .454 casul http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms...Lone_Eagle.htm Steve Maybe I am a wimp, or just cheap. When I used to shoot a lot, I shot 38 special in my 357. Much easier on the body of the shooter. With the muzzle brake, the kickback is even less than a 38 special. And with the exception of maybe 7.62x39, 30-06 is about the cheapest rifle calibre you can get when you buy it in big surplus lots. It's not much more than 38 special, sometimes less. Steve My 30-06 is a rifle. But since I rarely shoot anymore, I do not really pay attention to cost. I used to reload, so cost was not a big consideration. |
9mm is for Wimps
Calif Bill wrote:
"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:59:10 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:15:46 GMT, Dan Krueger wrote: Skipper wrote: The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc -- Skipper How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns? If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here... http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...ert_Eagle.html or here... http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm I have a Magnum Research Lone Eagle in 30-06. That's one damn powerful handgun, much more so than a .454. I also have a 30-30 barrel for it so I can take my Winchester 94 in 30-30 and the pistol and they can both use the same ammo. Steve The problem is the barrel length. The rifle cartridge is set up for a burn of about 14-16 inches of barrel length. Smokeless powder is a propellant, not an explosive. You are still having bunches of unburned powder as the bullet leaves the barrel. Lots of flash. Years ago, I had a Rugar 30 Carbine shooting pistol. If you did not kill the animal, you burned it alive with the muzzle blast. Unless you reload it yourself and set it up for a shorter burn time. ;) Not that I bother to do that though. However, while it's true you lose some power in the shorter barrel, it's not as bad as you might think since the powder doesn't burn at an even rate. Most of it burns quickly. Also, while I forget the exact barrel length, it's not all that much shorter than a rifle, maybe something like 10". That's because you don't have the stock or the receiver behind the cartridge adding that extra length. Except for maybe 1.5" for the cannon breech plus the length of the brass, the entire length of the pistol is usable barrel. (unless you use the muzzle brake, which is higly recommended for 30-06 but not really needed for 30-30.) At any rate, even though due to the shorter barrel you lose some of the power when compared to a rifle, it's still way more than a .454 casul http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms...Lone_Eagle.htm Steve Maybe I am a wimp, or just cheap. When I used to shoot a lot, I shot 38 special in my 357. Much easier on the body of the shooter. On a few occasions I've loaded my .357 with five .38's and one, final, ..357 for an unsuspecting friend at the range with interesting results. Dan |
9mm is for Wimps
Dan Krueger wrote:
Calif Bill wrote: "Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:59:10 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:15:46 GMT, Dan Krueger wrote: Skipper wrote: The 9mm is for pansies. Real men pack the .454 Casull magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. http://tinyurl.com/8xcnc -- Skipper How do YOU define "most powerful"? Do you know anything about handguns? If you are considering just the size of the bullet, look here... http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...ert_Eagle.html or here... http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm I have a Magnum Research Lone Eagle in 30-06. That's one damn powerful handgun, much more so than a .454. I also have a 30-30 barrel for it so I can take my Winchester 94 in 30-30 and the pistol and they can both use the same ammo. Steve The problem is the barrel length. The rifle cartridge is set up for a burn of about 14-16 inches of barrel length. Smokeless powder is a propellant, not an explosive. You are still having bunches of unburned powder as the bullet leaves the barrel. Lots of flash. Years ago, I had a Rugar 30 Carbine shooting pistol. If you did not kill the animal, you burned it alive with the muzzle blast. Unless you reload it yourself and set it up for a shorter burn time. ;) Not that I bother to do that though. However, while it's true you lose some power in the shorter barrel, it's not as bad as you might think since the powder doesn't burn at an even rate. Most of it burns quickly. Also, while I forget the exact barrel length, it's not all that much shorter than a rifle, maybe something like 10". That's because you don't have the stock or the receiver behind the cartridge adding that extra length. Except for maybe 1.5" for the cannon breech plus the length of the brass, the entire length of the pistol is usable barrel. (unless you use the muzzle brake, which is higly recommended for 30-06 but not really needed for 30-30.) At any rate, even though due to the shorter barrel you lose some of the power when compared to a rifle, it's still way more than a .454 casul http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms...Lone_Eagle.htm Steve Maybe I am a wimp, or just cheap. When I used to shoot a lot, I shot 38 special in my 357. Much easier on the body of the shooter. On a few occasions I've loaded my .357 with five .38's and one, final, .357 for an unsuspecting friend at the range with interesting results. Dan |
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