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On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:28:00 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
Anyone familiar with allofmymp3.com? It appears to be a Russian-based service where music may be downloaded for small sums of money, especially when compared to Apple's iTunes or Napster. Well, it's legal in Canada (so's Napster and other ptp networks). Sound quality is good, but the selection isn't the greatest, especially for "less than popular" cuts. Lloyd Sumpter |
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:00:46 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Lloyd Sumpter wrote: On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:28:00 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Anyone familiar with allofmymp3.com? It appears to be a Russian-based service where music may be downloaded for small sums of money, especially when compared to Apple's iTunes or Napster. Well, it's legal in Canada (so's Napster and other ptp networks). Sound quality is good, but the selection isn't the greatest, especially for "less than popular" cuts. Lloyd Sumpter Thanks. The "new" Napster isn;t compatible with my portable player, but I checked it out and it also charges about 99 cents a "tune," just like Apple's iTunes. Here's one that charges less than a dollar per *month*. Unlimited downloads. Must be Russian. Must be bootlegs. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:00:46 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Lloyd Sumpter wrote: On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:28:00 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Anyone familiar with allofmymp3.com? It appears to be a Russian-based service where music may be downloaded for small sums of money, especially when compared to Apple's iTunes or Napster. Well, it's legal in Canada (so's Napster and other ptp networks). Sound quality is good, but the selection isn't the greatest, especially for "less than popular" cuts. Lloyd Sumpter Thanks. The "new" Napster isn;t compatible with my portable player, but I checked it out and it also charges about 99 cents a "tune," just like Apple's iTunes. A little more info for you: http://www.onlinereporter.com/TORbac...0to%20 Russia ******************************************* Copyright Enforcement Comes to Russia Russian authorities are reportedly investigating the Russian Web site Allofmymp3.com for selling downloadable digital copies of copyrighted music illegally. The site's principles are believed to be offering the music both in Russia and internationally without the authorization of the rights holders. The Computer Crimes unit of Moscow City Police, which was doing the investigation, turned the investigation's report over to Moscow's City Prosecutor's office on February 8. The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI), on behalf of its members, also submitted a formal complaint to the prosecutor's office on the same day, urging prosecution. The prosecutor has 30 days from the date of receiving evidence to decide whether to proceed with a criminal prosecution. IFPI's complaint alleges that Allofmp3.com has not been licensed to distribute its members' repertoire in Russia or internationally. IFPI Moscow regional director Igor Pozhitkov said, "We have consistently said that Allofmp3.com is not licensed to distribute our members' repertoire in Russia or anywhere else. We are pleased that the police are bringing this important case to the attention of the prosecutor. We very much hope and expect that the prosecutor will proceed with this case, which involves the sale and digital distribution of copyrighted music without the consent or authorization of the rights holders." IFPI, headquartered in London, has a regional office in Moscow plus others in Brussels, Hong Kong and Miami. The Miami office covers Central and South America. The organization has 1,450 members in 75 countries and affiliated industry associations in 48 countries. Back to Headlines ********************************************* There, now you know. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:38:23 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:00:46 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Lloyd Sumpter wrote: On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:28:00 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Anyone familiar with allofmymp3.com? It appears to be a Russian-based service where music may be downloaded for small sums of money, especially when compared to Apple's iTunes or Napster. Well, it's legal in Canada (so's Napster and other ptp networks). Sound quality is good, but the selection isn't the greatest, especially for "less than popular" cuts. Lloyd Sumpter Thanks. The "new" Napster isn;t compatible with my portable player, but I checked it out and it also charges about 99 cents a "tune," just like Apple's iTunes. A little more info for you: http://www.onlinereporter.com/TORbac...0to%20 Russia ******************************************* Copyright Enforcement Comes to Russia Russian authorities are reportedly investigating the Russian Web site Allofmymp3.com for selling downloadable digital copies of copyrighted music illegally. The site's principles are believed to be offering the music both in Russia and internationally without the authorization of the rights holders. The Computer Crimes unit of Moscow City Police, which was doing the investigation, turned the investigation's report over to Moscow's City Prosecutor's office on February 8. The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI), on behalf of its members, also submitted a formal complaint to the prosecutor's office on the same day, urging prosecution. The prosecutor has 30 days from the date of receiving evidence to decide whether to proceed with a criminal prosecution. IFPI's complaint alleges that Allofmp3.com has not been licensed to distribute its members' repertoire in Russia or internationally. IFPI Moscow regional director Igor Pozhitkov said, "We have consistently said that Allofmp3.com is not licensed to distribute our members' repertoire in Russia or anywhere else. We are pleased that the police are bringing this important case to the attention of the prosecutor. We very much hope and expect that the prosecutor will proceed with this case, which involves the sale and digital distribution of copyrighted music without the consent or authorization of the rights holders." IFPI, headquartered in London, has a regional office in Moscow plus others in Brussels, Hong Kong and Miami. The Miami office covers Central and South America. The organization has 1,450 members in 75 countries and affiliated industry associations in 48 countries. Back to Headlines ********************************************* There, now you know. -- 'Til next time, John H Know what, that a cut-rate music service is under investigation? News, eh? Yes! We'll see what the Moscow authorities do. I've not heard of the IFPI. It looks like it is an organization that doesn't actually produce anything other than lawsuits and support for spyware like SONY's DRM. What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet. If you believe that the sale and purchase of bootlegged material is the way to get your retribution for the industry's pricing structure, go for it. If, as you say, there are only two or three songs on a CD that you like, pay the $3 to a legitimate outfit (Napster, for example) and buy the songs. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
AllofMyMP3?
"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet. One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats, but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files. They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices. Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly, depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce, they claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free compositions are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new music by songwriters in the industry. RCE |
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"RCE" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet. One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats, but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files. They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices. Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly, depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce, they claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free compositions are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new music by songwriters in the industry. RCE I don't recall whether it's BMI or ASCAP, but one of them collects fees from bar owners who include karioke in their activities. Unbelievable. |
AllofMyMP3?
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... RCE wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet. One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats, but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files. They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices. Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly, depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce, they claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free compositions are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new music by songwriters in the industry. RCE Sheesh. Well, most of the music I like was written by guys who have been dead for more than 100 years, so I assume any MIDI sequencers who code it are beyond the reach of the ASCAP liars, er, lawyers. My understanding, based on really limited info, is that iTunes forks over 70 cents of each 99 cents collected, to the "owner" of the tune. That's waaaaay too high. A dime is more like it, with a nickel on top of that for administration, and a nickel on top of that for Apple's profit...twenty to twenty-five cents a tune is sufficient. What a silly thing to say. How do you know what's "way too high"? Based on what? |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "RCE" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet. One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats, but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files. They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices. Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly, depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce, they claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free compositions are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new music by songwriters in the industry. RCE I don't recall whether it's BMI or ASCAP, but one of them collects fees from bar owners who include karioke in their activities. Unbelievable. Every establishment that has live music entertainment must have a license for the various musicians to perform copyright protected music. Applies to professional entertainment by paid bands or amateurs like Karaoke bars. To simplify matters, the lounge, restaurant, bar or whatever pays a fixed fee, (not cheap) to give them a blanket license for 6 months or a year. My late dad played trombone in a Dixieland style swing band was shocked one day to find out his band was illegally playing some music still covered by copyrights. They got caught at a outside music festival in Plymouth, MA. RCE |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... RCE wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet. One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats, but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files. They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices. Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly, depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce, they claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free compositions are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new music by songwriters in the industry. RCE Sheesh. Well, most of the music I like was written by guys who have been dead for more than 100 years, so I assume any MIDI sequencers who code it are beyond the reach of the ASCAP liars, er, lawyers. My understanding, based on really limited info, is that iTunes forks over 70 cents of each 99 cents collected, to the "owner" of the tune. That's waaaaay too high. A dime is more like it, with a nickel on top of that for administration, and a nickel on top of that for Apple's profit...twenty to twenty-five cents a tune is sufficient. What a silly thing to say. How do you know what's "way too high"? Based on what? IF a CD has 12 tunes on it, and the royalty is 70 cents a tune, that's what, $8.40 in royalties for a CD download? Any bets that on a CD selling for $12.00 at a store, the artist is getting 75% of that? If the typical hardcover novel is selling for $25 these days, how much of that do you think the typical author receives? And I know it costs more to physically produce a book than a CD, but even so, a typical author's deal might work out to a buck or two a book, maybe a bit more for a proven best-seller type author, and even more for a major leaguer. But nothing approaching 70% of gross selling price. I have absolutely no idea about any of these numbers, and how they filter down to the artists (writer, performer, band members, etc). Neither do you. So, I choose not to engage in any conjecture. |
AllofMyMP3?
Doug Kanter wrote: "RCE" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet. One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats, but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files. They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices. Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly, depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce, they claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free compositions are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new music by songwriters in the industry. RCE I don't recall whether it's BMI or ASCAP, but one of them collects fees from bar owners who include karioke in their activities. Unbelievable. Most Karaoke formats now get around some copyright issues in a unique kind of way. When a song comes up, let's say, "I'm Going Straight to Hell" by Drivin' and Cryin' the credits on the screen will say Played in the style of "I'm Going Straight to Hell". This takes care of some legalities as far as copyright, but I know that ASCAP still collects from the owners. If you are ever down around Naples, NY, and hit the Naples Hotel bar for a beer, and there is karaoke there, the guy that owns the system is Pat, and his wife Sissy. He's the karaoke king of the area. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... RCE wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet. One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats, but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files. They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices. Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly, depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce, they claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free compositions are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new music by songwriters in the industry. RCE Sheesh. Well, most of the music I like was written by guys who have been dead for more than 100 years, so I assume any MIDI sequencers who code it are beyond the reach of the ASCAP liars, er, lawyers. My understanding, based on really limited info, is that iTunes forks over 70 cents of each 99 cents collected, to the "owner" of the tune. That's waaaaay too high. A dime is more like it, with a nickel on top of that for administration, and a nickel on top of that for Apple's profit...twenty to twenty-five cents a tune is sufficient. What a silly thing to say. How do you know what's "way too high"? Based on what? IF a CD has 12 tunes on it, and the royalty is 70 cents a tune, that's what, $8.40 in royalties for a CD download? Any bets that on a CD selling for $12.00 at a store, the artist is getting 75% of that? If the typical hardcover novel is selling for $25 these days, how much of that do you think the typical author receives? And I know it costs more to physically produce a book than a CD, but even so, a typical author's deal might work out to a buck or two a book, maybe a bit more for a proven best-seller type author, and even more for a major leaguer. But nothing approaching 70% of gross selling price. I have absolutely no idea about any of these numbers, and how they filter down to the artists (writer, performer, band members, etc). Neither do you. So, I choose not to engage in any conjecture. Apple states it forks over 70 cents of the 99 cents collected to the "owner" of the tune. Yes, but who really is the owner? The song writer? The publishing company who represents the song writer? The artist who performs it? What cut does the band get, if any? What about the agent? |
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wrote in message oups.com... Doug Kanter wrote: "RCE" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet. One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats, but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files. They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices. Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly, depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce, they claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free compositions are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new music by songwriters in the industry. RCE I don't recall whether it's BMI or ASCAP, but one of them collects fees from bar owners who include karioke in their activities. Unbelievable. Most Karaoke formats now get around some copyright issues in a unique kind of way. When a song comes up, let's say, "I'm Going Straight to Hell" by Drivin' and Cryin' the credits on the screen will say Played in the style of "I'm Going Straight to Hell". This takes care of some legalities as far as copyright, but I know that ASCAP still collects from the owners. If you are ever down around Naples, NY, and hit the Naples Hotel bar for a beer, and there is karaoke there, the guy that owns the system is Pat, and his wife Sissy. He's the karaoke king of the area. I'm allergic to karioke. :-) I'd rather swallow push pins sideways. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... RCE wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet. One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats, but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files. They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices. Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly, depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce, they claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free compositions are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new music by songwriters in the industry. RCE Sheesh. Well, most of the music I like was written by guys who have been dead for more than 100 years, so I assume any MIDI sequencers who code it are beyond the reach of the ASCAP liars, er, lawyers. My understanding, based on really limited info, is that iTunes forks over 70 cents of each 99 cents collected, to the "owner" of the tune. That's waaaaay too high. A dime is more like it, with a nickel on top of that for administration, and a nickel on top of that for Apple's profit...twenty to twenty-five cents a tune is sufficient. What a silly thing to say. How do you know what's "way too high"? Based on what? IF a CD has 12 tunes on it, and the royalty is 70 cents a tune, that's what, $8.40 in royalties for a CD download? Any bets that on a CD selling for $12.00 at a store, the artist is getting 75% of that? If the typical hardcover novel is selling for $25 these days, how much of that do you think the typical author receives? And I know it costs more to physically produce a book than a CD, but even so, a typical author's deal might work out to a buck or two a book, maybe a bit more for a proven best-seller type author, and even more for a major leaguer. But nothing approaching 70% of gross selling price. I have absolutely no idea about any of these numbers, and how they filter down to the artists (writer, performer, band members, etc). Neither do you. So, I choose not to engage in any conjecture. The truth of the matter is no price for a CD or Download is too high or unreasonable. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. They will quickly lower their price if enough people agree with you. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... RCE wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet. One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats, but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files. They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices. Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly, depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce, they claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free compositions are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new music by songwriters in the industry. RCE Sheesh. Well, most of the music I like was written by guys who have been dead for more than 100 years, so I assume any MIDI sequencers who code it are beyond the reach of the ASCAP liars, er, lawyers. My understanding, based on really limited info, is that iTunes forks over 70 cents of each 99 cents collected, to the "owner" of the tune. That's waaaaay too high. A dime is more like it, with a nickel on top of that for administration, and a nickel on top of that for Apple's profit...twenty to twenty-five cents a tune is sufficient. What a silly thing to say. How do you know what's "way too high"? Based on what? IF a CD has 12 tunes on it, and the royalty is 70 cents a tune, that's what, $8.40 in royalties for a CD download? Any bets that on a CD selling for $12.00 at a store, the artist is getting 75% of that? If the typical hardcover novel is selling for $25 these days, how much of that do you think the typical author receives? And I know it costs more to physically produce a book than a CD, but even so, a typical author's deal might work out to a buck or two a book, maybe a bit more for a proven best-seller type author, and even more for a major leaguer. But nothing approaching 70% of gross selling price. I have absolutely no idea about any of these numbers, and how they filter down to the artists (writer, performer, band members, etc). Neither do you. So, I choose not to engage in any conjecture. Apple states it forks over 70 cents of the 99 cents collected to the "owner" of the tune. Yes, but who really is the owner? The song writer? The publishing company who represents the song writer? The artist who performs it? What cut does the band get, if any? What about the agent? The owner is normally the record label (though there are exceptions for very popular performers, such as Ray Charles), and the artist, the band and the song writer all have agreements as to their cut. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... RCE wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet. One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats, but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files. They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices. Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly, depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce, they claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free compositions are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new music by songwriters in the industry. RCE Sheesh. Well, most of the music I like was written by guys who have been dead for more than 100 years, so I assume any MIDI sequencers who code it are beyond the reach of the ASCAP liars, er, lawyers. My understanding, based on really limited info, is that iTunes forks over 70 cents of each 99 cents collected, to the "owner" of the tune. That's waaaaay too high. A dime is more like it, with a nickel on top of that for administration, and a nickel on top of that for Apple's profit...twenty to twenty-five cents a tune is sufficient. What a silly thing to say. How do you know what's "way too high"? Based on what? IF a CD has 12 tunes on it, and the royalty is 70 cents a tune, that's what, $8.40 in royalties for a CD download? Any bets that on a CD selling for $12.00 at a store, the artist is getting 75% of that? If the typical hardcover novel is selling for $25 these days, how much of that do you think the typical author receives? And I know it costs more to physically produce a book than a CD, but even so, a typical author's deal might work out to a buck or two a book, maybe a bit more for a proven best-seller type author, and even more for a major leaguer. But nothing approaching 70% of gross selling price. I have absolutely no idea about any of these numbers, and how they filter down to the artists (writer, performer, band members, etc). Neither do you. So, I choose not to engage in any conjecture. Apple states it forks over 70 cents of the 99 cents collected to the "owner" of the tune. Yes, but who really is the owner? The song writer? The publishing company who represents the song writer? The artist who performs it? What cut does the band get, if any? What about the agent? The owner is normally the record label (though there are exceptions for very popular performers, such as Ray Charles), and the artist, the band and the song writer all have agreements as to their cut. Right. We can only guess. And, it would vary widely depending on the band's "culture". I suspect the Grateful Dead's arrangement was problem different from other bands. The bulk of their income came from concerts. In interviews, they said that albums were made largely to satisfy contractual obligations with the record company. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Apple states it forks over 70 cents of the 99 cents collected to the "owner" of the tune. If I recall correctly, the "owner" is the royalty collector. The artist and/or record company assigns the copyright rights in exchange for a small royalty payment - 5 or 10 cents. The royalty collector (BMI, ASCAP and many others now) collect the lion's share. The artists had to do this - they had no means of enforcing copyright protection of their work. It was that or nothing. RCE |
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"RCE" wrote in message ... I "ripped" an original composition I did a few years ago from my own CD and posted it "over there". It's in windows media file format. It probably won't appeal to everybody - it's a haunting kind of tune, best for quiet, reflective moods. I'd post some other sequences that are bit more lively, but I might get sued because I didn't write them. For those that are interested, all the voices and sounds are from a Yamaha keyboard, recorded using about 14 different tracks in Cakewalk 3.0. RCE |
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Doug Kanter wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Doug Kanter wrote: "RCE" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet. One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats, but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files. They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices. Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly, depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce, they claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free compositions are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new music by songwriters in the industry. RCE I don't recall whether it's BMI or ASCAP, but one of them collects fees from bar owners who include karioke in their activities. Unbelievable. Most Karaoke formats now get around some copyright issues in a unique kind of way. When a song comes up, let's say, "I'm Going Straight to Hell" by Drivin' and Cryin' the credits on the screen will say Played in the style of "I'm Going Straight to Hell". This takes care of some legalities as far as copyright, but I know that ASCAP still collects from the owners. If you are ever down around Naples, NY, and hit the Naples Hotel bar for a beer, and there is karaoke there, the guy that owns the system is Pat, and his wife Sissy. He's the karaoke king of the area. I'm allergic to karioke. :-) I'd rather swallow push pins sideways. I like it, I've heard some really good performers, when going to decent events. That's the key. |
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RCE wrote: "RCE" wrote in message ... I "ripped" an original composition I did a few years ago from my own CD and posted it "over there". It's in windows media file format. It probably won't appeal to everybody - it's a haunting kind of tune, best for quiet, reflective moods. I'd post some other sequences that are bit more lively, but I might get sued because I didn't write them. For those that are interested, all the voices and sounds are from a Yamaha keyboard, recorded using about 14 different tracks in Cakewalk 3.0. RCE I use Cakewalk, too. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JohnH wrote: On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:00:46 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Lloyd Sumpter wrote: On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:28:00 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Anyone familiar with allofmymp3.com? It appears to be a Russian-based service where music may be downloaded for small sums of money, especially when compared to Apple's iTunes or Napster. Well, it's legal in Canada (so's Napster and other ptp networks). Sound quality is good, but the selection isn't the greatest, especially for "less than popular" cuts. Lloyd Sumpter Thanks. The "new" Napster isn;t compatible with my portable player, but I checked it out and it also charges about 99 cents a "tune," just like Apple's iTunes. A little more info for you: http://www.onlinereporter.com/TORbac...0to%20 Russia ******************************************* Copyright Enforcement Comes to Russia Russian authorities are reportedly investigating the Russian Web site Allofmymp3.com for selling downloadable digital copies of copyrighted music illegally. The site's principles are believed to be offering the music both in Russia and internationally without the authorization of the rights holders. The Computer Crimes unit of Moscow City Police, which was doing the investigation, turned the investigation's report over to Moscow's City Prosecutor's office on February 8. The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI), on behalf of its members, also submitted a formal complaint to the prosecutor's office on the same day, urging prosecution. The prosecutor has 30 days from the date of receiving evidence to decide whether to proceed with a criminal prosecution. IFPI's complaint alleges that Allofmp3.com has not been licensed to distribute its members' repertoire in Russia or internationally. IFPI Moscow regional director Igor Pozhitkov said, "We have consistently said that Allofmp3.com is not licensed to distribute our members' repertoire in Russia or anywhere else. We are pleased that the police are bringing this important case to the attention of the prosecutor. We very much hope and expect that the prosecutor will proceed with this case, which involves the sale and digital distribution of copyrighted music without the consent or authorization of the rights holders." IFPI, headquartered in London, has a regional office in Moscow plus others in Brussels, Hong Kong and Miami. The Miami office covers Central and South America. The organization has 1,450 members in 75 countries and affiliated industry associations in 48 countries. Back to Headlines ********************************************* There, now you know. -- 'Til next time, John H Know what, that a cut-rate music service is under investigation? News, eh? We'll see what the Moscow authorities do. I've not heard of the IFPI. It looks like it is an organization that doesn't actually produce anything other than lawsuits and support for spyware like SONY's DRM. Yukos Oil, does that ring a bell. Graft and corruption are rampant in the former Soviet Union. What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet. The problem is that groups will have a hard time recouping the costs of the songs that are crap, excuse me, are not desired by their customers. Oh, and I told you so! |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Doug Kanter wrote: "RCE" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet. One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats, but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files. They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices. Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly, depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce, they claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free compositions are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new music by songwriters in the industry. RCE I don't recall whether it's BMI or ASCAP, but one of them collects fees from bar owners who include karioke in their activities. Unbelievable. Most Karaoke formats now get around some copyright issues in a unique kind of way. When a song comes up, let's say, "I'm Going Straight to Hell" by Drivin' and Cryin' the credits on the screen will say Played in the style of "I'm Going Straight to Hell". This takes care of some legalities as far as copyright, but I know that ASCAP still collects from the owners. If you are ever down around Naples, NY, and hit the Naples Hotel bar for a beer, and there is karaoke there, the guy that owns the system is Pat, and his wife Sissy. He's the karaoke king of the area. I'm allergic to karioke. :-) I'd rather swallow push pins sideways. Karioke, is ok if you are properly lubricated before the cat squeezing starts! |
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... wrote: On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:40:38 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: I don't recall whether it's BMI or ASCAP, but one of them collects fees from bar owners who include karioke in their activities. Unbelievable. ASCAP threatened to file an action against our local high school band because they played something other than "public domain" tunes at free concerts ... insanity. That and the pure greed of weasels like Jimmy Buffett who loads up his "new" albums with old songs I have bought many times before, have allowed me to sleep just fine with my bootlegged tunes. I happily shell out the bucks for new struggling artists (check out Wanda Johnson on Amazon, if you like blues). I don't have the same regard for multimillionaires who screw us at every turn to make more millions. BTW if I already bought a song, don't I still own a license for it if the original media takes a crap? Even Bill Gates, the king of intellectual property litigation, will replace a defective CD. Most of the MP3s I have are songs I have bought at least once and some I have paid for on vinyl, 2 kinds of tape and a CD. These people don't sell "music", they sell plastic. The whole "record" industry is clinging to an obsolete business model. Music on little bits of plastic is a 20th century phenomena. It is the 21st century. When Napstar was released and they were going hot and heavy against pirates, RIAA told the girl scouts they could not play the Macarana at scout meetings without paying a royalty. Now that is tight controls. What if the Girl Scout Troop buys a copy of the Macarana? They can listen to it privately, they can not use it at their National Jamboree without paying royalties. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
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