Around 2/5/2006 9:08 PM, wrote:

My suggestion, fewer drugs and less booze before a performance- and
more rehearsals.

Maybe that's part of the problem - not nearly enough drugs and booze
before the performance as in the good ol' days.


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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:06:02 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

Without it, low volume passages on CDs would be noticeably
distorted
because of the low digital sampling rate. More useless information

Reading the description it sounds more like a way of compensating for
the lack of sufficient dynamic range at the low end of the volume
scale. By introducing some random background noise you ensure that
the sound level never goes all the way to zero if I'm understanding
this correctly.


Yes. Here's a much better explanation with some audio examples: (scroll
down through the text a bit)

http://www.mtsu.edu/~dsmitche/rim420...20_Dither.html

RCE

On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 02:18:09 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:06:02 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

Without it, low volume passages on CDs would be noticeably
distorted
because of the low digital sampling rate. More useless information

Reading the description it sounds more like a way of compensating for
the lack of sufficient dynamic range at the low end of the volume
scale. By introducing some random background noise you ensure that
the sound level never goes all the way to zero if I'm understanding
this correctly.


Yes. Here's a much better explanation with some audio examples: (scroll
down through the text a bit)

http://www.mtsu.edu/~dsmitche/rim420...20_Dither.html

Interesting, learn something new everyday, even when not on a boat!

RCE wrote:
These guys still know how to rock.

Mrs.E and I went to see them a couple of years ago at the beginning of the
"Licks" tour at the Fleet Center in Boston. It was horrible because of the
disgusting sound system at the Center.

This performance was actually better, sound-wise.

RCE

Agreed. There was some damned fine guitar licks in their halftime
performance.

RCE wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 20:51:21 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

Hey .... did youse guys know that they actually introduce a low level of
distortion (called dither) to CD recordings in order to make them sound
good? Without it, low volume passages on CDs would be noticeably
distorted
because of the low digital sampling rate. More useless information

didnt know that...

http://amos.indiana.edu/library/scripts/dither.html


RCE

That's a cool website!

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RCE wrote:
These guys still know how to rock.

Mrs.E and I went to see them a couple of years ago at the beginning of
the
"Licks" tour at the Fleet Center in Boston. It was horrible because of
the
disgusting sound system at the Center.

This performance was actually better, sound-wise.

RCE

You think?

The garage band down the block is tighter than the Stones were tonight.
How the H do you flub up "Satisfaction" after 40 years? You could see a
couple of the guys were really frustrated- I thought the bass player
was going to climb right up into the drummer's lap for a while there as
they struggled to get their licks together. Lot's of unhappy glances
exchanged every time somebody screwed something up. They were literally
"jamming" instead of performing. Very disappointing show.

My suggestion, fewer drugs and less booze before a performance- and
more rehearsals.


Some* of the problem was technical in nature. Mick & Keith were using
wireless rigs so they could wander all over the stage. The floor monitors
were spaced pretty far apart and although they knew they had to remain near
one to hear what they were singing/playing, it was obvious that this was
unlikely to happen. Charlie's drum zone was surrounded in a plexiglass box
on the sides (maybe the back, too - didn't notice). This was done so at
least he could be isolated from all the crowd noise and hear himself.
Otherwise, nobody would've been anchoring the band. Wood & Jones seemed to
remain pretty still, in an effort to not get lost like the others. On a
normal stage, the monitors would've been clustered more closely.


*Some: Less than the total of all the problems. A subset. A indirect
suggestion that one problem was clearly evident, while others could not be
determined. This has been test. If it had been a real emergency blah blah
blah....

wrote:
RCE wrote:

These guys still know how to rock.

Mrs.E and I went to see them a couple of years ago at the beginning of the
"Licks" tour at the Fleet Center in Boston. It was horrible because of the
disgusting sound system at the Center.

This performance was actually better, sound-wise.

RCE


You think?

The garage band down the block is tighter than the Stones were tonight.
How the H do you flub up "Satisfaction" after 40 years? You could see a
couple of the guys were really frustrated- I thought the bass player
was going to climb right up into the drummer's lap for a while there as
they struggled to get their licks together. Lot's of unhappy glances
exchanged every time somebody screwed something up. They were literally
"jamming" instead of performing. Very disappointing show.

My suggestion, fewer drugs and less booze before a performance- and
more rehearsals.


Yes sir...I don't know how the Stones justify their outrageous fees.
Have to admit, I've never seen them live...(my son wouldn't let me go
along with him & his buddies when they played the Maritimes last summer)
but age & lifestyle is really creeping up on these guys.
I like to hear them the way they sounded in the 60s.
Now I don't think they're a reasonable facsimile of a rock band.

"Don White" wrote in message
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wrote:
RCE wrote:

These guys still know how to rock.

Mrs.E and I went to see them a couple of years ago at the beginning of
the
"Licks" tour at the Fleet Center in Boston. It was horrible because of
the
disgusting sound system at the Center.

This performance was actually better, sound-wise.

RCE


You think?

The garage band down the block is tighter than the Stones were tonight.
How the H do you flub up "Satisfaction" after 40 years? You could see a
couple of the guys were really frustrated- I thought the bass player
was going to climb right up into the drummer's lap for a while there as
they struggled to get their licks together. Lot's of unhappy glances
exchanged every time somebody screwed something up. They were literally
"jamming" instead of performing. Very disappointing show.

My suggestion, fewer drugs and less booze before a performance- and
more rehearsals.


Yes sir...I don't know how the Stones justify their outrageous fees.
Have to admit, I've never seen them live...(my son wouldn't let me go
along with him & his buddies when they played the Maritimes last summer)
but age & lifestyle is really creeping up on these guys.
I like to hear them the way they sounded in the 60s.
Now I don't think they're a reasonable facsimile of a rock band.

I agree. I thought they stunk last night. Maybe that is because I
generally never cared for them.

My wife and I did get a kick seeing all the teenyboppers scream and jump
about over them......a bunch of 60 some year old drugged out has-beens who
are old enough to be their grandfathers.

JimH wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
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wrote:
RCE wrote:

These guys still know how to rock.

Mrs.E and I went to see them a couple of years ago at the beginning of
the
"Licks" tour at the Fleet Center in Boston. It was horrible because of
the
disgusting sound system at the Center.

This performance was actually better, sound-wise.

RCE


You think?

The garage band down the block is tighter than the Stones were tonight.
How the H do you flub up "Satisfaction" after 40 years? You could see a
couple of the guys were really frustrated- I thought the bass player
was going to climb right up into the drummer's lap for a while there as
they struggled to get their licks together. Lot's of unhappy glances
exchanged every time somebody screwed something up. They were literally
"jamming" instead of performing. Very disappointing show.

My suggestion, fewer drugs and less booze before a performance- and
more rehearsals.


Yes sir...I don't know how the Stones justify their outrageous fees.
Have to admit, I've never seen them live...(my son wouldn't let me go
along with him & his buddies when they played the Maritimes last summer)
but age & lifestyle is really creeping up on these guys.
I like to hear them the way they sounded in the 60s.
Now I don't think they're a reasonable facsimile of a rock band.

I agree. I thought they stunk last night. Maybe that is because I
generally never cared for them.

That's an intriguing comment only because I grew up listening to the
Stones and playing a lot of their music, and have always liked them a
lot. From two somewhat opposite perspectives, we managed to reach a
common conclusion.

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JimH wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
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wrote:
RCE wrote:

These guys still know how to rock.

Mrs.E and I went to see them a couple of years ago at the beginning
of
the
"Licks" tour at the Fleet Center in Boston. It was horrible because
of
the
disgusting sound system at the Center.

This performance was actually better, sound-wise.

RCE


You think?

The garage band down the block is tighter than the Stones were
tonight.
How the H do you flub up "Satisfaction" after 40 years? You could see
a
couple of the guys were really frustrated- I thought the bass player
was going to climb right up into the drummer's lap for a while there
as
they struggled to get their licks together. Lot's of unhappy glances
exchanged every time somebody screwed something up. They were
literally
"jamming" instead of performing. Very disappointing show.

My suggestion, fewer drugs and less booze before a performance- and
more rehearsals.


Yes sir...I don't know how the Stones justify their outrageous fees.
Have to admit, I've never seen them live...(my son wouldn't let me go
along with him & his buddies when they played the Maritimes last
summer)
but age & lifestyle is really creeping up on these guys.
I like to hear them the way they sounded in the 60s.
Now I don't think they're a reasonable facsimile of a rock band.

I agree. I thought they stunk last night. Maybe that is because I
generally never cared for them.

That's an intriguing comment only because I grew up listening to the
Stones and playing a lot of their music, and have always liked them a
lot. From two somewhat opposite perspectives, we managed to reach a
common conclusion.


Aside from purported drug use (or, in Richard's case, obvious), what do you
suggest they do? Stop doing what they enjoy?