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sherwindu February 1st 06 07:50 AM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 


Gene Kearns wrote:

Aside from the [apparent] fact that you are trying to boat from a
2,000 mile distance, which IMHO is fated to be inordinately expensive,
you are making a specious argument.


Well, I was able to do it nicely for over 20 years.

Looking at the global economy, all
prime weather, boating, and fishing locations are becoming very
expensive... it is the law of supply and demand.


But the Florida keys have become another Aspen. A place
for the rich and famous. Too rich for my blood.

In the US, a large
quantity of well heeled boomers are looking for retirement
opportunities and if your location is not seeing the associated
increases ownership or usage it is because you are boating, fishing,
or retiring in a location that few people covet. I suspect that the
costs of boat ownership in Derby, Kansas are quite limited, as are the
boating options.


Don't live in Kansas.



In all truth, if you aren't catching fish in FL waters, you need to
hire a guide and see what you are doing wrong.


I caught plenty of fish in my days there, but what I am remarking on
is the decline of fishing. Florida Bay is suffering from pollution and
overfishing.



And if you support Skipper, perhaps you'd like to lend some validity
to his unsupported generalization, "the best fishing is now found on
the West Coast and Pacific waters," with some facts.


Don't support his conclusions, but accept the fact that Florida ain't
what it used to be.

In typical
self-centered fashion, Skipper has made yet another statement which
(in his own mind) remains as fact until somehow disproven. The fact
that no one has risen to his bait is apparently chapping his cheeks
and maybe you could apply the factual powder that will soothe his
troubled psyche......

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage*
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Skipper February 1st 06 09:44 PM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 
sherwindu wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:


Aside from the [apparent] fact that you are trying to boat from a
2,000 mile distance, which IMHO is fated to be inordinately expensive,
you are making a specious argument.


Well, I was able to do it nicely for over 20 years.


Looking at the global economy, all
prime weather, boating, and fishing locations are becoming very
expensive... it is the law of supply and demand.


But the Florida keys have become another Aspen. A place
for the rich and famous. Too rich for my blood.


In all truth, if you aren't catching fish in FL waters, you need to
hire a guide and see what you are doing wrong.


I caught plenty of fish in my days there, but what I am remarking on
is the decline of fishing. Florida Bay is suffering from pollution and
overfishing.


And if you support Skipper, perhaps you'd like to lend some validity
to his unsupported generalization, "the best fishing is now found on
the West Coast and Pacific waters," with some facts.


Don't support his conclusions, but accept the fact that Florida ain't
what it used to be.


Some folks just can't handle the truth, Sherwindu. Gene and Harry are
classic examples. Sad.

--
Skipper

Skipper February 2nd 06 03:15 AM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 
Gene Kearns wrote:

Aside from the [apparent] fact that you are trying to boat from a
2,000 mile distance, which IMHO is fated to be inordinately expensive,
you are making a specious argument.


Well, I was able to do it nicely for over 20 years.


You are much more energetic than I. I don't ski Vail and Aspen because
they are too damn far away.... ditto (for me) boating in the Great
Lakes...


You don't ski those areas because you lack a sense for real
adventure...and the fact that you don't ski.

BTW, I prefer Purgatory to Aspen or Vail.

Looking at the global economy, all
prime weather, boating, and fishing locations are becoming very
expensive... it is the law of supply and demand.


But the Florida keys have become another Aspen. A place
for the rich and famous. Too rich for my blood.


I fell your pain. My point is that you can't pick on FL.... Locally, I
have watched beachfront property go from $400.00 in the early 60's to
about 2,000,000.00, now.... and it is happening anywhere the salt
meets the land, where fishing and weather are at least acceptable.


San Carlos still has great real estate deals: http://tinyurl.com/7eb2p
Opportunity is where you find it.

In all truth, if you aren't catching fish in FL waters, you need to
hire a guide and see what you are doing wrong.


I caught plenty of fish in my days there, but what I am remarking on
is the decline of fishing. Florida Bay is suffering from pollution and
overfishing.


As I posted (and supported with citations) even the exalted Gulf of Cortez
is nearly fished to exhaustion.


Your statement is based on ignorance...and absolutely untrue.

--
Skipper

sherwindu February 2nd 06 05:56 AM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 


Harry Krause wrote:


Indeed, I'm flying down to Miami for a day or two later this month
specifically to attend the Miami boat show, and I'll be flying to
Orlando in March or April to make a presentation at a meeting. I might
spend a few extra days in Florida on the second trip for some bass fishing.

Sponsors of both events I'll be attending never considered holding
either in Derby, Kansas, or its environs, and not even in that nearby
fortress of free thinking, Wichita.


We have fishing tournaments here on the Great Lakes, so Florida has
no monopoly on those things.



Still got that p.o.s. Bayliner, Snippy? Betcha do.


Don't forget your American Express Card



sherwindu February 2nd 06 06:01 AM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 


Skipper wrote:


You don't ski those areas because you lack a sense for real
adventure...and the fact that you don't ski.

BTW, I prefer Purgatory to Aspen or Vail.


I'm probably dating myself, but I remember when lift tickets at
Aspen were $18, and now they are $100 plus. Purgatory is
probably a great place to ski, but you won't get on a chair lift
with any celebrities.

Sherwin



Calif Bill February 2nd 06 06:38 AM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 

"sherwindu" wrote in message
...


Skipper wrote:


You don't ski those areas because you lack a sense for real
adventure...and the fact that you don't ski.

BTW, I prefer Purgatory to Aspen or Vail.


I'm probably dating myself, but I remember when lift tickets at
Aspen were $18, and now they are $100 plus. Purgatory is
probably a great place to ski, but you won't get on a chair lift
with any celebrities.

Sherwin



I seem to remember $5 lift tickets at Vail in 1968. I do remember the Clock
Tower for dinner, and nice steak at about $5.



Skipper February 2nd 06 08:04 AM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 
sherwindu wrote:

Skipper wrote:



You don't ski those areas because you lack a sense for real
adventure...and the fact that you don't ski.


BTW, I prefer Purgatory to Aspen or Vail.


I'm probably dating myself, but I remember when lift tickets at
Aspen were $18, and now they are $100 plus. Purgatory is
probably a great place to ski, but you won't get on a chair lift
with any celebrities.


Not sure that's true. My experience is that you'll see quite a few
celebs at Purgatory and Telluride in Southwest Colorado. But to be
honest, Purgatory is a place for hardcore skiers, and not the place you
go to be seen. Great runs, blue skys, scenic views, warmer temps, and
the driest most forgiving powder you'll ever find are the draws at
Purgatory. And I've shared many a chair with US Ski Team members in the
pre season. Even shared a couple runs with Jean-Claude Killy and Michael
Arpin in the seventies. On one of those runs I shared the double chair
with Killy for the return.

--
Skipper

NOYB February 2nd 06 12:45 PM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 

"sherwindu" wrote in message
...


Harry Krause wrote:


Indeed, I'm flying down to Miami for a day or two later this month
specifically to attend the Miami boat show, and I'll be flying to
Orlando in March or April to make a presentation at a meeting. I might
spend a few extra days in Florida on the second trip for some bass
fishing.

Sponsors of both events I'll be attending never considered holding
either in Derby, Kansas, or its environs, and not even in that nearby
fortress of free thinking, Wichita.


We have fishing tournaments here on the Great Lakes, so Florida has
no monopoly on those things.


Below is a list of the fishing tournaments *FOR SOUTHEAST FLORIDA AND THE
KEYS ONLY* over the next 8 months. All have purses that are in the six
digits or more, and attract participants from all over the US and the World.



Cheeca Lodge Sailfish Tournament 1/20-1/22/06
Reef Cup Invitational Jan. 24 - 28, 2006

Mayor's Cup Sailfish Tournament 1/26-1/29/06

Fort Lauderdale Billfish Tournament 2/7-2-12-06

S.F.H.A. Loxahatchee Tournament 2/11

World Diamond Source/YCF Billfish Challenge Feb, 26th

Bob Lewis Billfish Challenge 3/2-3/5/06

Billfish Masters 3/16-3/19/06

Miami Billfish Tournament 4/6-4/9/06

Key West World Championships 4/18-4/22/06

Herman Lucerne Memorial Backcountry Fishing Tournament 4/21/06 - 4/23/06

Grove Harbor Rodeo 4/27-4/30/06

Grove Slam 5/4-5/6/06

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Shootout - May 13, 2006

Pompano Beach Fishing Rodeo May 18-21 2006

10th Annual Mercury Marine/Miami Kiwanis Dolphin Tournament; June 1-3,2006

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Slam - June 10, 2006

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Showdown - August 5, 2006

Swordlords Tournament-August 5, 2006

Islamorada Swordfish Tournament August 11-13,2006

Miami Swordfish Tournament September 7-10,2006

The Boater's World Gauntlet Elimination Series:
Round 1 & 2 - May 12-13, 2006
Round 3 & 4 - June 9-10, 2006
Round 5 & 6 - August 4-5, 2006



There are a similar number of tournaments in the northeast, southwest, and
northwest coasts of Florida as well.

And there are 1000's of smaller, community-based tournaments as well over
the year.

If you added up the number of fishing tournaments and the purses from those
tournaments from every state that borders the Great Lakes, they still
wouldn't equal the numbers that Florida produces every year.







NOYB February 2nd 06 12:52 PM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Gene Kearns wrote:

Aside from the [apparent] fact that you are trying to boat from a
2,000 mile distance, which IMHO is fated to be inordinately expensive,
you are making a specious argument.


Well, I was able to do it nicely for over 20 years.


You are much more energetic than I. I don't ski Vail and Aspen because
they are too damn far away.... ditto (for me) boating in the Great
Lakes...


You don't ski those areas because you lack a sense for real
adventure...and the fact that you don't ski.

BTW, I prefer Purgatory to Aspen or Vail.

Looking at the global economy, all
prime weather, boating, and fishing locations are becoming very
expensive... it is the law of supply and demand.


But the Florida keys have become another Aspen. A place
for the rich and famous. Too rich for my blood.


I fell your pain. My point is that you can't pick on FL.... Locally, I
have watched beachfront property go from $400.00 in the early 60's to
about 2,000,000.00, now.... and it is happening anywhere the salt
meets the land, where fishing and weather are at least acceptable.


San Carlos still has great real estate deals: http://tinyurl.com/7eb2p
Opportunity is where you find it.


It's only a good deal if the next el Presidente doesn't come in and decide
to take your land. Even today, Americans can't own land in Mexico. The
banks own it, and make you the executor over the title.



NOYB February 2nd 06 12:59 PM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"sherwindu" wrote in message
...

Harry Krause wrote:

Indeed, I'm flying down to Miami for a day or two later this month
specifically to attend the Miami boat show, and I'll be flying to
Orlando in March or April to make a presentation at a meeting. I might
spend a few extra days in Florida on the second trip for some bass
fishing.

Sponsors of both events I'll be attending never considered holding
either in Derby, Kansas, or its environs, and not even in that nearby
fortress of free thinking, Wichita.
We have fishing tournaments here on the Great Lakes, so Florida has
no monopoly on those things.


Below is a list of the fishing tournaments *FOR SOUTHEAST FLORIDA AND
THE KEYS ONLY* over the next 8 months. All have purses that are in the
six digits or more, and attract participants from all over the US and the
World.



Cheeca Lodge Sailfish Tournament 1/20-1/22/06
Reef Cup Invitational Jan. 24 - 28, 2006

Mayor's Cup Sailfish Tournament 1/26-1/29/06

Fort Lauderdale Billfish Tournament 2/7-2-12-06

S.F.H.A. Loxahatchee Tournament 2/11

World Diamond Source/YCF Billfish Challenge Feb, 26th

Bob Lewis Billfish Challenge 3/2-3/5/06

Billfish Masters 3/16-3/19/06

Miami Billfish Tournament 4/6-4/9/06

Key West World Championships 4/18-4/22/06

Herman Lucerne Memorial Backcountry Fishing Tournament 4/21/06 - 4/23/06

Grove Harbor Rodeo 4/27-4/30/06

Grove Slam 5/4-5/6/06

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Shootout - May 13, 2006

Pompano Beach Fishing Rodeo May 18-21 2006

10th Annual Mercury Marine/Miami Kiwanis Dolphin Tournament; June
1-3,2006

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Slam - June 10, 2006

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Showdown - August 5, 2006

Swordlords Tournament-August 5, 2006

Islamorada Swordfish Tournament August 11-13,2006

Miami Swordfish Tournament September 7-10,2006

The Boater's World Gauntlet Elimination Series:
Round 1 & 2 - May 12-13, 2006
Round 3 & 4 - June 9-10, 2006
Round 5 & 6 - August 4-5, 2006



There are a similar number of tournaments in the northeast, southwest,
and northwest coasts of Florida as well.

And there are 1000's of smaller, community-based tournaments as well over
the year.

If you added up the number of fishing tournaments and the purses from
those tournaments from every state that borders the Great Lakes, they
still wouldn't equal the numbers that Florida produces every year.







That's correct. There's no question that on a state for state basis,
Florida leads in fishing venues and opportunities. If you can't catch fish
in Florida, go to Red Lobster.


Ironically, if you go to Red Lobster here in Florida, you'll probably get
fish from out of state.

The one good thing about Red Lobster is consistency. It's equally terrible
wherever you go...so you should know better than trying it, with the idea
that it might actually be better in states that border the sea.




NOYB February 2nd 06 02:12 PM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"sherwindu" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:

Indeed, I'm flying down to Miami for a day or two later this month
specifically to attend the Miami boat show, and I'll be flying to
Orlando in March or April to make a presentation at a meeting. I
might
spend a few extra days in Florida on the second trip for some bass
fishing.

Sponsors of both events I'll be attending never considered holding
either in Derby, Kansas, or its environs, and not even in that nearby
fortress of free thinking, Wichita.
We have fishing tournaments here on the Great Lakes, so Florida has
no monopoly on those things.

Below is a list of the fishing tournaments *FOR SOUTHEAST FLORIDA AND
THE KEYS ONLY* over the next 8 months. All have purses that are in the
six digits or more, and attract participants from all over the US and
the World.



Cheeca Lodge Sailfish Tournament 1/20-1/22/06
Reef Cup Invitational Jan. 24 - 28, 2006

Mayor's Cup Sailfish Tournament 1/26-1/29/06

Fort Lauderdale Billfish Tournament 2/7-2-12-06

S.F.H.A. Loxahatchee Tournament 2/11

World Diamond Source/YCF Billfish Challenge Feb, 26th

Bob Lewis Billfish Challenge 3/2-3/5/06

Billfish Masters 3/16-3/19/06

Miami Billfish Tournament 4/6-4/9/06

Key West World Championships 4/18-4/22/06

Herman Lucerne Memorial Backcountry Fishing Tournament 4/21/06 -
4/23/06

Grove Harbor Rodeo 4/27-4/30/06

Grove Slam 5/4-5/6/06

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Shootout - May 13, 2006

Pompano Beach Fishing Rodeo May 18-21 2006

10th Annual Mercury Marine/Miami Kiwanis Dolphin Tournament; June
1-3,2006

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Slam - June 10, 2006

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Showdown - August 5, 2006

Swordlords Tournament-August 5, 2006

Islamorada Swordfish Tournament August 11-13,2006

Miami Swordfish Tournament September 7-10,2006

The Boater's World Gauntlet Elimination Series:
Round 1 & 2 - May 12-13, 2006
Round 3 & 4 - June 9-10, 2006
Round 5 & 6 - August 4-5, 2006



There are a similar number of tournaments in the northeast, southwest,
and northwest coasts of Florida as well.

And there are 1000's of smaller, community-based tournaments as well
over the year.

If you added up the number of fishing tournaments and the purses from
those tournaments from every state that borders the Great Lakes, they
still wouldn't equal the numbers that Florida produces every year.






That's correct. There's no question that on a state for state basis,
Florida leads in fishing venues and opportunities. If you can't catch
fish in Florida, go to Red Lobster.


Ironically, if you go to Red Lobster here in Florida, you'll probably get
fish from out of state.

The one good thing about Red Lobster is consistency. It's equally
terrible wherever you go...so you should know better than trying it, with
the idea that it might actually be better in states that border the sea.




Oh, I don't eat there, but it is everywhere. Most of the seafood houses I
visit are local, except for Legal Seafood, which is pretty damned good.
It's one of the few places where I will order raw cherrystones without
worrying about hepatitis.


It's not the hepatitis you have to fear. It's the vibrio.




NOYB February 2nd 06 02:14 PM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"sherwindu" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:

Indeed, I'm flying down to Miami for a day or two later this month
specifically to attend the Miami boat show, and I'll be flying to
Orlando in March or April to make a presentation at a meeting. I
might
spend a few extra days in Florida on the second trip for some bass
fishing.

Sponsors of both events I'll be attending never considered holding
either in Derby, Kansas, or its environs, and not even in that
nearby
fortress of free thinking, Wichita.
We have fishing tournaments here on the Great Lakes, so Florida
has
no monopoly on those things.

Below is a list of the fishing tournaments *FOR SOUTHEAST FLORIDA AND
THE KEYS ONLY* over the next 8 months. All have purses that are in
the six digits or more, and attract participants from all over the US
and the World.



Cheeca Lodge Sailfish Tournament 1/20-1/22/06
Reef Cup Invitational Jan. 24 - 28, 2006

Mayor's Cup Sailfish Tournament 1/26-1/29/06

Fort Lauderdale Billfish Tournament 2/7-2-12-06

S.F.H.A. Loxahatchee Tournament 2/11

World Diamond Source/YCF Billfish Challenge Feb, 26th

Bob Lewis Billfish Challenge 3/2-3/5/06

Billfish Masters 3/16-3/19/06

Miami Billfish Tournament 4/6-4/9/06

Key West World Championships 4/18-4/22/06

Herman Lucerne Memorial Backcountry Fishing Tournament 4/21/06 -
4/23/06

Grove Harbor Rodeo 4/27-4/30/06

Grove Slam 5/4-5/6/06

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Shootout - May 13, 2006

Pompano Beach Fishing Rodeo May 18-21 2006

10th Annual Mercury Marine/Miami Kiwanis Dolphin Tournament; June
1-3,2006

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Slam - June 10, 2006

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Showdown - August 5, 2006

Swordlords Tournament-August 5, 2006

Islamorada Swordfish Tournament August 11-13,2006

Miami Swordfish Tournament September 7-10,2006

The Boater's World Gauntlet Elimination Series:
Round 1 & 2 - May 12-13, 2006
Round 3 & 4 - June 9-10, 2006
Round 5 & 6 - August 4-5, 2006



There are a similar number of tournaments in the northeast, southwest,
and northwest coasts of Florida as well.

And there are 1000's of smaller, community-based tournaments as well
over the year.

If you added up the number of fishing tournaments and the purses from
those tournaments from every state that borders the Great Lakes, they
still wouldn't equal the numbers that Florida produces every year.






That's correct. There's no question that on a state for state basis,
Florida leads in fishing venues and opportunities. If you can't catch
fish in Florida, go to Red Lobster.

Ironically, if you go to Red Lobster here in Florida, you'll probably
get fish from out of state.

The one good thing about Red Lobster is consistency. It's equally
terrible wherever you go...so you should know better than trying it,
with the idea that it might actually be better in states that border the
sea.




Oh, I don't eat there, but it is everywhere. Most of the seafood houses I
visit are local, except for Legal Seafood, which is pretty damned good.
It's one of the few places where I will order raw cherrystones without
worrying about hepatitis.


It's not the hepatitis you have to fear. It's the vibrio.


Besides, many of the crew working the commercial boats are not exactly
paragons of health. A large number of them are heroin addicts, and likely
have any of a number of fatal diseases that go along with sharing needles
and the lifestyle that follows.


Cook your seafood!





Don White February 2nd 06 02:29 PM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 
Gene Kearns wrote:
snip...

Have a great boating day, Skipper..... nothing like a day on the
water to clean out the cobwebs, right?


Skipper would require about six months of hard sailing to remove his
cobwebs and debris.

Reggie Smithers February 2nd 06 02:33 PM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 
Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"sherwindu" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:

Indeed, I'm flying down to Miami for a day or two later this month
specifically to attend the Miami boat show, and I'll be flying to
Orlando in March or April to make a presentation at a meeting. I
might
spend a few extra days in Florida on the second trip for some bass
fishing.

Sponsors of both events I'll be attending never considered holding
either in Derby, Kansas, or its environs, and not even in that nearby
fortress of free thinking, Wichita.
We have fishing tournaments here on the Great Lakes, so Florida has
no monopoly on those things.

Below is a list of the fishing tournaments *FOR SOUTHEAST FLORIDA
AND THE KEYS ONLY* over the next 8 months. All have purses that are
in the six digits or more, and attract participants from all over
the US and the World.



Cheeca Lodge Sailfish Tournament 1/20-1/22/06
Reef Cup Invitational Jan. 24 - 28, 2006

Mayor's Cup Sailfish Tournament 1/26-1/29/06

Fort Lauderdale Billfish Tournament 2/7-2-12-06

S.F.H.A. Loxahatchee Tournament 2/11

World Diamond Source/YCF Billfish Challenge Feb, 26th

Bob Lewis Billfish Challenge 3/2-3/5/06

Billfish Masters 3/16-3/19/06

Miami Billfish Tournament 4/6-4/9/06

Key West World Championships 4/18-4/22/06

Herman Lucerne Memorial Backcountry Fishing Tournament 4/21/06 -
4/23/06

Grove Harbor Rodeo 4/27-4/30/06

Grove Slam 5/4-5/6/06

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Shootout - May 13, 2006

Pompano Beach Fishing Rodeo May 18-21 2006

10th Annual Mercury Marine/Miami Kiwanis Dolphin Tournament; June
1-3,2006

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Slam - June 10, 2006

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Showdown - August 5, 2006

Swordlords Tournament-August 5, 2006

Islamorada Swordfish Tournament August 11-13,2006

Miami Swordfish Tournament September 7-10,2006

The Boater's World Gauntlet Elimination Series:
Round 1 & 2 - May 12-13, 2006
Round 3 & 4 - June 9-10, 2006
Round 5 & 6 - August 4-5, 2006



There are a similar number of tournaments in the northeast,
southwest, and northwest coasts of Florida as well.

And there are 1000's of smaller, community-based tournaments as well
over the year.

If you added up the number of fishing tournaments and the purses
from those tournaments from every state that borders the Great
Lakes, they still wouldn't equal the numbers that Florida produces
every year.






That's correct. There's no question that on a state for state basis,
Florida leads in fishing venues and opportunities. If you can't catch
fish in Florida, go to Red Lobster.


Ironically, if you go to Red Lobster here in Florida, you'll probably
get fish from out of state.

The one good thing about Red Lobster is consistency. It's equally
terrible wherever you go...so you should know better than trying it,
with the idea that it might actually be better in states that border
the sea.




Oh, I don't eat there, but it is everywhere. Most of the seafood houses
I visit are local, except for Legal Seafood, which is pretty damned
good. It's one of the few places where I will order raw cherrystones
without worrying about hepatitis.

Red Lobster was a decent franchise at one time. The last time I ate
there the fish was dry and overcooked. The problem with most of the
franchise restuarants is finding someone in the kitchen who actually
knows how to cook. They try to make the prep idiot proof, but the
quality that hits the table, shows they have not perfected it. Red
Lobster is not unique, it is a problem with most of the franchise
restaurants.

To get good quality food in a restaurant, you need to have a chef who
knows what he is doing.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

NOYB February 2nd 06 03:09 PM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"sherwindu" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:

Indeed, I'm flying down to Miami for a day or two later this month
specifically to attend the Miami boat show, and I'll be flying to
Orlando in March or April to make a presentation at a meeting. I
might
spend a few extra days in Florida on the second trip for some bass
fishing.

Sponsors of both events I'll be attending never considered holding
either in Derby, Kansas, or its environs, and not even in that
nearby
fortress of free thinking, Wichita.
We have fishing tournaments here on the Great Lakes, so Florida
has
no monopoly on those things.

Below is a list of the fishing tournaments *FOR SOUTHEAST FLORIDA
AND THE KEYS ONLY* over the next 8 months. All have purses that are
in the six digits or more, and attract participants from all over the
US and the World.



Cheeca Lodge Sailfish Tournament 1/20-1/22/06
Reef Cup Invitational Jan. 24 - 28, 2006

Mayor's Cup Sailfish Tournament 1/26-1/29/06

Fort Lauderdale Billfish Tournament 2/7-2-12-06

S.F.H.A. Loxahatchee Tournament 2/11

World Diamond Source/YCF Billfish Challenge Feb, 26th

Bob Lewis Billfish Challenge 3/2-3/5/06

Billfish Masters 3/16-3/19/06

Miami Billfish Tournament 4/6-4/9/06

Key West World Championships 4/18-4/22/06

Herman Lucerne Memorial Backcountry Fishing Tournament 4/21/06 -
4/23/06

Grove Harbor Rodeo 4/27-4/30/06

Grove Slam 5/4-5/6/06

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Shootout - May 13, 2006

Pompano Beach Fishing Rodeo May 18-21 2006

10th Annual Mercury Marine/Miami Kiwanis Dolphin Tournament; June
1-3,2006

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Slam - June 10, 2006

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Showdown - August 5, 2006

Swordlords Tournament-August 5, 2006

Islamorada Swordfish Tournament August 11-13,2006

Miami Swordfish Tournament September 7-10,2006

The Boater's World Gauntlet Elimination Series:
Round 1 & 2 - May 12-13, 2006
Round 3 & 4 - June 9-10, 2006
Round 5 & 6 - August 4-5, 2006



There are a similar number of tournaments in the northeast,
southwest, and northwest coasts of Florida as well.

And there are 1000's of smaller, community-based tournaments as well
over the year.

If you added up the number of fishing tournaments and the purses from
those tournaments from every state that borders the Great Lakes, they
still wouldn't equal the numbers that Florida produces every year.






That's correct. There's no question that on a state for state basis,
Florida leads in fishing venues and opportunities. If you can't catch
fish in Florida, go to Red Lobster.
Ironically, if you go to Red Lobster here in Florida, you'll probably
get fish from out of state.

The one good thing about Red Lobster is consistency. It's equally
terrible wherever you go...so you should know better than trying it,
with the idea that it might actually be better in states that border
the sea.



Oh, I don't eat there, but it is everywhere. Most of the seafood houses
I visit are local, except for Legal Seafood, which is pretty damned
good. It's one of the few places where I will order raw cherrystones
without worrying about hepatitis.


It's not the hepatitis you have to fear. It's the vibrio.




Please. Not at my age.

BTW, our dentist got a new toy. I'm not sure what it is, but it cost
around $75K and uses a laser to remove out bits of decay. Or so my wife
says; she had a bitty cavity treated this past week as part of a cleaning,
and that's what the explanation of the machine was. Painless, no local
anesthesia.


Hard tissue laser. I looked into them, but the majority of the work that I
do involves cutting away old amalgam metal fillings, and old crowns that
have recurrent decay. The laser doesn't work on those.

It's great for kids,and adults with "bitty cavities"...but not so great for
cutting crown preps and such.

If I'm going to spend $75-100k on a piece of dental equipment, it will be on
one of these:

http://www.cereconline.com/

CAD/CAM milling machines that can make a porcelain crown while the patient
is in the office. No impression. No temp. No two week wait for the lab to
make the crown. No recurring lab bills.





Skipper February 2nd 06 05:29 PM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 
NOYB wrote:

Below is a list of the fishing tournaments *FOR SOUTHEAST FLORIDA AND THE
KEYS ONLY* over the next 8 months. All have purses that are in the six
digits or more, and attract participants from all over the US and the World.


Cheeca Lodge Sailfish Tournament 1/20-1/22/06
Reef Cup Invitational Jan. 24 - 28, 2006


Mayor's Cup Sailfish Tournament 1/26-1/29/06


Fort Lauderdale Billfish Tournament 2/7-2-12-06


S.F.H.A. Loxahatchee Tournament 2/11


Which shows you can squeeze blood from a turnip, and that Barnum *was*
right.

--
Skipper

Skipper February 2nd 06 05:32 PM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 
NOYB wrote:

San Carlos still has great real estate deals: http://tinyurl.com/7eb2p
Opportunity is where you find it.


Even today, Americans can't own land in Mexico. The banks own it, and make
you the executor over the title.


You are factually incorrect, sir. Americans can own and hold full title
to land in Mexico.

--
Skipper

Skipper February 2nd 06 05:39 PM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 
Harry Krause wrote:

Oh, I don't eat there, but it is everywhere. Most of the seafood houses
I visit are local, except for Legal Seafood, which is pretty damned
good. It's one of the few places where I will order raw cherrystones
without worrying about hepatitis.


I found the Legal Seafood in Boston overcrowed, overpriced, and the
seafood was average...but Easterners think it's great. And yes, I've
sampled their fare at least a half-dozen times.

--
Skipper

Skipper February 3rd 06 03:12 AM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 
Gene Kearns wrote:

Skipper penned the following well considered thoughts:


Even today, Americans can't own land in Mexico. The banks own it, and make
you the executor over the title.


You are factually incorrect, sir. Americans can own and hold full title
to land in Mexico.


Skipper, again, you are just wrong.


As usual, Gene, you are incorrect once again. My statement is absolutely
correct.

--
Skipper

Skipper February 3rd 06 03:23 AM

Debunking Myths
 
Skipper wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:


Skipper penned the following well considered thoughts:


Even today, Americans can't own land in Mexico. The banks own it, and make
you the executor over the title.


You are factually incorrect, sir. Americans can own and hold full title
to land in Mexico.


Skipper, again, you are just wrong.


As usual, Gene, you are incorrect once again. My statement is absolutely
correct.


http://osmx.com/buying_real_estate.htm

--
Skipper

Skipper February 3rd 06 03:55 AM

Debunking Myths
 
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

"Although the foreigner does not technically own a direct interest in
the real estate, the foreigner's rights to use and deal with the
property are very similar to outright ownership."


doesn't sound like ownership to me.


Most of the property owned by Americans and Canadians in Mexico is at
least 30 miles from shore. Folks in LA regularly drive further than that
going to work each day. Those who insist on beachfront property (which
is different from the original statement) have the option of investing
in a hundred year bank trust with full ownership rights. So, in 3006 you
can apply for naturalization to retain your, by then, $10,000,000.00
beachfront home you originally acquired for $120,000. Mexico represents
a better buy than Floriduh...and far better fishing.

http://www.grandtimes.com/Live_Well.html

--
Skipper

Calif Bill February 3rd 06 06:20 AM

Debunking Myths
 

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:55:53 -0600, Skipper wrote:

So, in 3006 you
can apply for naturalization to retain your, by then, $10,000,000.00
beachfront home you originally acquired for $120,000.



So you can own beachfront property but only over your dead body. I
will be 160 in 3006.


Then you better take better care of yourself.



RCE February 3rd 06 08:25 AM

Debunking Myths
 

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:55:53 -0600, Skipper wrote:

So, in 3006 you
can apply for naturalization to retain your, by then, $10,000,000.00
beachfront home you originally acquired for $120,000.



So you can own beachfront property but only over your dead body. I
will be 160 in 3006.


Going to be born in 2846, huh?

RCE



bb February 3rd 06 01:13 PM

Debunking Myths
 
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:25:12 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


So you can own beachfront property but only over your dead body. I
will be 160 in 3006.


Going to be born in 2846, huh?

RCE


I thought that guy's posts sounded a bit immature.

bb

Wayne.B February 3rd 06 01:30 PM

Debunking Myths
 
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 06:20:43 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

So you can own beachfront property but only over your dead body. I
will be 160 in 3006.


Then you better take better care of yourself.


And a whole bunch of you need some remedial math lessons.

Write on the blackboard 100 times:

2006 + 100 = 2106
2006 + 100 = 2106
2006 + 100 = 2106
2006 + 100 = 2106
..
..
..
..
..


Reggie Smithers February 3rd 06 01:56 PM

Debunking Myths
 
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 06:20:43 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

So you can own beachfront property but only over your dead body. I
will be 160 in 3006.

Then you better take better care of yourself.


And a whole bunch of you need some remedial math lessons.

Write on the blackboard 100 times:

2006 + 100 = 2106
2006 + 100 = 2106
2006 + 100 = 2106
2006 + 100 = 2106

100 or 1000 yrs. What's 900 years among friends?
--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Don White February 3rd 06 02:00 PM

Debunking Myths
 
RCE wrote:
wrote in message
...

On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:55:53 -0600, Skipper wrote:


So, in 3006 you
can apply for naturalization to retain your, by then, $10,000,000.00
beachfront home you originally acquired for $120,000.



So you can own beachfront property but only over your dead body. I
will be 160 in 3006.



Going to be born in 2846, huh?

RCE



That was some creative math he was using! :-)

NOYB February 3rd 06 02:54 PM

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Gene Kearns wrote:

Skipper penned the following well considered thoughts:


Even today, Americans can't own land in Mexico. The banks own it, and
make
you the executor over the title.


You are factually incorrect, sir. Americans can own and hold full title
to land in Mexico.


Skipper, again, you are just wrong.


As usual, Gene, you are incorrect once again. My statement is absolutely
correct.



You were talking about the "great deals" in San Carlos. I said that you
wouldn't own the land...which is correct.




NOYB February 3rd 06 02:59 PM

Debunking Myths
 

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:


Skipper penned the following well considered thoughts:


Even today, Americans can't own land in Mexico. The banks own it, and
make
you the executor over the title.


You are factually incorrect, sir. Americans can own and hold full title
to land in Mexico.


Skipper, again, you are just wrong.


As usual, Gene, you are incorrect once again. My statement is absolutely
correct.


http://osmx.com/buying_real_estate.htm


"In addition, foreigners may buy property near the border and the coastline
in the area referred to as the restricted zone (about 31 miles inland from
the ocean and about 62 miles from the borders) AS THE BENEFICIARY OF A BANK
TRUST.
The bank holds technical legal title to the real estate and the foreigner is
the beneficiary of the trust. The bank acts on behalf of the beneficiary
like any trustee must act. The beneficiary may use the ownership interest in
the trust as collateral for a loan. That interest may also be transferred by
will or through a typical sale process like other real estate interests.
ALTHOUGH THE FOREIGNER DOES NOT TECHNICALLY OWN A DIRECT INTEREST IN THE
REAL ESTATE, the foreigner's rights to use and deal with the property are
very similar to outright ownership."



You can't own land in San Carlos.









NOYB February 3rd 06 03:07 PM

Debunking Myths
 

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

"Although the foreigner does not technically own a direct interest in
the real estate, the foreigner's rights to use and deal with the
property are very similar to outright ownership."


doesn't sound like ownership to me.


Most of the property owned by Americans and Canadians in Mexico is at
least 30 miles from shore. Folks in LA regularly drive further than that
going to work each day. Those who insist on beachfront property (which
is different from the original statement) have the option of investing
in a hundred year bank trust with full ownership rights. So, in 3006


2006 + 100 =3006?

Your math is about as sound as your real estate knowledge.




NOYB February 3rd 06 03:09 PM

Debunking Myths
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:55:53 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

"Although the foreigner does not technically own a direct interest in
the real estate, the foreigner's rights to use and deal with the
property are very similar to outright ownership."


doesn't sound like ownership to me.


Most of the property owned by Americans and Canadians in Mexico is at
least 30 miles from shore. Folks in LA regularly drive further than that
going to work each day. Those who insist on beachfront property (which
is different from the original statement) have the option of investing
in a hundred year bank trust with full ownership rights. So, in 3006 you
can apply for naturalization to retain your, by then, $10,000,000.00
beachfront home you originally acquired for $120,000. Mexico represents
a better buy than Floriduh...and far better fishing.

http://www.grandtimes.com/Live_Well.html


yur right - i misread that.

my bad.


No he's not. If you apply for naturalization, you're a Mexican...not an
American. So as I said, Americans can't own the land.




NOYB February 3rd 06 04:15 PM

Debunking Myths
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:59:12 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:

Skipper penned the following well considered thoughts:

Even today, Americans can't own land in Mexico. The banks own it,
and
make
you the executor over the title.

You are factually incorrect, sir. Americans can own and hold full
title
to land in Mexico.

Skipper, again, you are just wrong.

As usual, Gene, you are incorrect once again. My statement is
absolutely
correct.

http://osmx.com/buying_real_estate.htm


"In addition, foreigners may buy property near the border and the
coastline
in the area referred to as the restricted zone (about 31 miles inland from
the ocean and about 62 miles from the borders) AS THE BENEFICIARY OF A
BANK
TRUST.
The bank holds technical legal title to the real estate and the foreigner
is
the beneficiary of the trust. The bank acts on behalf of the beneficiary
like any trustee must act. The beneficiary may use the ownership interest
in
the trust as collateral for a loan. That interest may also be transferred
by
will or through a typical sale process like other real estate interests.
ALTHOUGH THE FOREIGNER DOES NOT TECHNICALLY OWN A DIRECT INTEREST IN THE
REAL ESTATE, the foreigner's rights to use and deal with the property are
very similar to outright ownership."

You can't own land in San Carlos.


i just called a friend of my wife who goes to mexico every school
break.

apparently, you can own property free and clear except for in the
exclusion zones.

thats what i was told.


Yup. But Skipper was talking about reasonably priced real estate in San
Carlos. That's an exclusion zone.




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