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Floriduh - A Passing Fad
"Skipper" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: OK. Later today, I'm going fishing at the 5 mile reefs to target...sheepshead. Sheepshead? Jeeze, that's like pullin up discarded bicycle tires. Triggerfish put up a real fight and are worth eatin. Down Mexico way the boys filet em for ya soon as the boat hits the dock. Triggers are probably the fightenest fish pound for pound you can sling aboard. Pound-for-pound, the lowly pinfish outfights all others...followed closely by anything in the tuna family, and most fish in the jack family. I've caught plenty of triggerfish. They are excellent eating, but a bear to clean. But I never pulled one up and said to myself "damn, that was one tough fish". I'd put their fighting ability on par with a small black drum or a sheepshead. Tomorrow, I'm hooking up the smaller boat to tow an hour and 50 minutes across Alligator Alley and fish for Sailfish. Would seem you have a truly trailerable boat then. Wouldn't want to lug a Parker 25 that far. Why not? I sold the 25' Whaler to my dad, and he bought a trailer for it. My Sequoia tows it just fine. |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:06:08 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Tomorrow, I'm hooking up the smaller boat to tow an hour and 50 minutes across Alligator Alley and fish 2.5 miles offshore for Sailfish, kingfish, and wahoo. Where do you launch on the east coast? Any trailer parking issues? Haulover. I've only been there once, and there was plenty of parking...but it wasn't during season. We're leaving the house at 4:30am, so we clear the pass by sunrise. We might put the trip on hold 'til Saturday due to predicted 15-20knot winds out of the East on Friday and early Saturday. We stay on the other side of the bridge from Haulover. Then as you know, Haulover can be a messy inlet on a new moon outgoing tide with a strong onshore wind...which is exactly what is predicted for tomorrow. Winds are out of the east at 15-20 knots, and seas are 7 to 9 feet on top of a 3 foot swell. Perfect sailfish conditions...but not when you're going out in an 18' Boston Whaler...so our plans have changed. Instead, we're running in the Grady to the one of the DoD towers southwest of Marco on this coast. Seas are predicted to be 2-4 late Saturday...decreasing to 2' or less by Sunday. Actually, I like walking across the bridge to the north side of Haulover early in the morning to watch the boats leaving. There used to be a bait and snack barge anchored about a half mile up the ICW from the inlet, but I haven't seen it in a couple of years. Anyone who is in that area ought to check out some of the "head boats" for a half day of fishing on the cheap. It's hard not to catch fish with these captains, and since they only go about 1-2 miles out and three to four miles down the beach, most of the time is spent fishing. Haulover's a great kite-flying park, too. And there are hundreds of restuarants and good shopping nearby, too. Lots of nekkid folks, too. |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Skipper" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: OK. Later today, I'm going fishing at the 5 mile reefs to target...sheepshead. Sheepshead? Jeeze, that's like pullin up discarded bicycle tires. Triggerfish put up a real fight and are worth eatin. Down Mexico way the boys filet em for ya soon as the boat hits the dock. Triggers are probably the fightenest fish pound for pound you can sling aboard. Pound-for-pound, the lowly pinfish outfights all others...followed closely by anything in the tuna family, and most fish in the jack family. I've caught plenty of triggerfish. They are excellent eating, but a bear to clean. But I never pulled one up and said to myself "damn, that was one tough fish". I'd put their fighting ability on par with a small black drum or a sheepshead. Are these them? http://myfwc.com/marine/fish/graytrig.jpg http://myfwc.com/marine/fish/sheepshead.jpg http://myfwc.com/marine/fish/pinfish.jpg |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Skipper" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: OK. Later today, I'm going fishing at the 5 mile reefs to target...sheepshead. Sheepshead? Jeeze, that's like pullin up discarded bicycle tires. Triggerfish put up a real fight and are worth eatin. Down Mexico way the boys filet em for ya soon as the boat hits the dock. Triggers are probably the fightenest fish pound for pound you can sling aboard. Pound-for-pound, the lowly pinfish outfights all others...followed closely by anything in the tuna family, and most fish in the jack family. I've caught plenty of triggerfish. They are excellent eating, but a bear to clean. But I never pulled one up and said to myself "damn, that was one tough fish". I'd put their fighting ability on par with a small black drum or a sheepshead. Are these them? http://myfwc.com/marine/fish/graytrig.jpg http://myfwc.com/marine/fish/sheepshead.jpg http://myfwc.com/marine/fish/pinfish.jpg Yep. The pinfish is like a small bluegill. But pound-for-pound, it's a heckuva fighter. |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Skipper" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: OK. Later today, I'm going fishing at the 5 mile reefs to target...sheepshead. Sheepshead? Jeeze, that's like pullin up discarded bicycle tires. Triggerfish put up a real fight and are worth eatin. Down Mexico way the boys filet em for ya soon as the boat hits the dock. Triggers are probably the fightenest fish pound for pound you can sling aboard. Pound-for-pound, the lowly pinfish outfights all others...followed closely by anything in the tuna family, and most fish in the jack family. I've caught plenty of triggerfish. They are excellent eating, but a bear to clean. But I never pulled one up and said to myself "damn, that was one tough fish". I'd put their fighting ability on par with a small black drum or a sheepshead. Are these them? http://myfwc.com/marine/fish/graytrig.jpg http://myfwc.com/marine/fish/sheepshead.jpg http://myfwc.com/marine/fish/pinfish.jpg Yep. The pinfish is like a small bluegill. But pound-for-pound, it's a heckuva fighter. The last time I was in Miami Beach for a conference 4 of us guys chartered a boat and did some fishing. I could not believe how strong (pound for pound) the sal****er fish are compared to what we catch in Lake Erie.. We ended up with a nice catch and had them filleted and cooked at a restaurant across the street from the charter captains marina. We had a great dinner. |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
NOYB wrote:
Sheepshead? Jeeze, that's like pullin up discarded bicycle tires. Triggerfish put up a real fight and are worth eatin. Down Mexico way the boys filet em for ya soon as the boat hits the dock. Triggers are probably the fightenest fish pound for pound you can sling aboard. Pound-for-pound, the lowly pinfish outfights all others... I've caught plenty of triggerfish. They are excellent eating, but a bear to clean. But I never pulled one up and said to myself "damn, that was one tough fish". I'd put their fighting ability on par with a small black drum or a sheepshead. Yep. The pinfish is like a small bluegill. But pound-for-pound, it's a heckuva fighter. Good gawd these Floriduhites have a lot to learn. Must be sompin in the water. http://www.mexfish.com/fish/fstrig/fstrig.htm -- Skipper |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
"Skipper" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: Sheepshead? Jeeze, that's like pullin up discarded bicycle tires. Triggerfish put up a real fight and are worth eatin. Down Mexico way the boys filet em for ya soon as the boat hits the dock. Triggers are probably the fightenest fish pound for pound you can sling aboard. Pound-for-pound, the lowly pinfish outfights all others... I've caught plenty of triggerfish. They are excellent eating, but a bear to clean. But I never pulled one up and said to myself "damn, that was one tough fish". I'd put their fighting ability on par with a small black drum or a sheepshead. Yep. The pinfish is like a small bluegill. But pound-for-pound, it's a heckuva fighter. Good gawd these Floriduhites have a lot to learn. Must be sompin in the water. http://www.mexfish.com/fish/fstrig/fstrig.htm A Mexican fishing website? Mexicans are small people. To them, that triggerfish probably feels like a humpback whale. I've caught triggerfish. To call them the "toughest fighting fish pound-for-pound" is ridiculous. |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
"Skipper" wrote in message ... wrote: "NOYB" wrote: Pound-for-pound, the lowly pinfish outfights all others I agree. If pinfish got up to 10 pounds it wouldn't be safe to get in the water. If I am at the condo up in Pinellas county I still like sitting on the dock with a beer and my little untralight rod catching pinfish. It is like I would imagine that northern river fishing is. I have seen it, just never tried. I couldn't get excited about wading in 40 degree water to catch 12 oz fish. Geez, pinheads, croakers 'n grunts. That must be one big whoop for a Floriduh fisherman. Tie into one of these with an ultralight rig and you may well lose equipment: http://www.mexfish.com/fish/fstrig/fstrig.htm A similar sized jack crevalle would pull that triggerfish halfway to Texas before the trigger even flapped his tail twice. But you keep telling people that triggerfish are the toughest fish in the sea. It's quite entertaining. But make sure to add the caveat that you live in Kansas...or they might think that you're on mind-altering substances. |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
NOYB wrote:
http://www.mexfish.com/fish/fstrig/fstrig.htm A Mexican fishing website? Mexicans are small people. To them, that triggerfish probably feels like a humpback whale. I've caught triggerfish. To call them the "toughest fighting fish pound-for-pound" is ridiculous. Musta been one o' them Floriduh or eastern triggers. Tie into a West Coast Trigger and you'll quickly realize you're in for a fight. You know, they do have special camps for eastern dudes when they come out west. -- Skipper |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
NOYB wrote:
http://www.mexfish.com/fish/fstrig/fstrig.htm A similar sized jack crevalle would pull that triggerfish halfway to Texas before the trigger even flapped his tail twice. But you keep telling people that triggerfish are the toughest fish in the sea. It's quite entertaining. But make sure to add the caveat that you live in Kansas...or they might think that you're on mind-altering substances. Tell us honestly, have you ever tied onto a good sized roosterfish? http://www.mexfish.com/fish/roost/roost.htm -- Skipper |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
"Skipper" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: http://www.mexfish.com/fish/fstrig/fstrig.htm A similar sized jack crevalle would pull that triggerfish halfway to Texas before the trigger even flapped his tail twice. But you keep telling people that triggerfish are the toughest fish in the sea. It's quite entertaining. But make sure to add the caveat that you live in Kansas...or they might think that you're on mind-altering substances. Tell us honestly, have you ever tied onto a good sized roosterfish? http://www.mexfish.com/fish/roost/roost.htm No. When I fished Cabo, I caught a striped marlin and a large bull dorado...but no roosterfish. Since the roosterfish is in the jack family, I'd expect a tough fight out of it. |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
NOYB wrote:
http://www.mexfish.com/fish/roost/roost.htm No. When I fished Cabo, I caught a striped marlin and a large bull dorado...but no roosterfish. Since the roosterfish is in the jack family, I'd expect a tough fight out of it. Not surprised, Cabo is the striped marlin capital of the world, and dorado can usually be found around any patch of floating whatever there. Both prized catches indeed, but the roosterfish is unlikely to be encountered by those half-day charters out of Cabo. You'd probably have as good a chance casting from shore for these beasts. My most memorable roosterfish encounters have not envolved hooking them, but observing them at dawn and dusk in secluded coves of the Cortez. Here's the drill...You are anchored for the night in a remote cove. Everything is peaceful and relaxed. You're sitting back when all of a sudden the peace is broken by a powerful commotion on the surface. You rise to observe these monsters attacking a school of baitfish. Their quickness and power is something you will never forget. I relate this story to illustrate you will *never* really see the Cortez from those half-day charters...and the Cortez is worth seeing if you have a real sense for adventure in your being. Steinbeck's words were not idle chatter, the place inspires superlatives for those who go beyond the immediate, as Steinbeck did. -- Skipper |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:21:31 +0000, NOYB wrote:
Then as you know, Haulover can be a messy inlet on a new moon outgoing tide with a strong onshore wind...which is exactly what is predicted for tomorrow. Winds are out of the east at 15-20 knots, and seas are 7 to 9 feet on top of a 3 foot swell. Perfect sailfish conditions...but not when you're going out in an 18' Boston Whaler...so our plans have changed. Instead, we're running in the Grady to the one of the DoD towers southwest of Marco on this coast. Seas are predicted to be 2-4 late Saturday...decreasing to 2' or less by Sunday. Just curious, NOYB, how's the net ban working out? I did a fair deal of fishing in Florida before it passed, but none since. I thought the fishing was pretty damn good before, how's it now? Is the ban still controversial, or are most happy with it? |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
NOYB wrote:
"Skipper" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: OK. Later today, I'm going fishing at the 5 mile reefs to target...sheepshead. Sheepshead? Jeeze, that's like pullin up discarded bicycle tires. Triggerfish put up a real fight and are worth eatin. Down Mexico way the boys filet em for ya soon as the boat hits the dock. Triggers are probably the fightenest fish pound for pound you can sling aboard. Pound-for-pound, the lowly pinfish outfights all others...followed closely by anything in the tuna family, and most fish in the jack family. I've caught plenty of triggerfish. They are excellent eating, but a bear to clean. But I never pulled one up and said to myself "damn, that was one tough fish". I'd put their fighting ability on par with a small black drum or a sheepshead. Tomorrow, I'm hooking up the smaller boat to tow an hour and 50 minutes across Alligator Alley and fish for Sailfish. Would seem you have a truly trailerable boat then. Wouldn't want to lug a Parker 25 that far. Why not? I sold the 25' Whaler to my dad, and he bought a trailer for it. My Sequoia tows it just fine. NYOB, Are all of the triggerfish eatable? I always thought they were too pretty to eat, sort of like eating Bambi. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:06:08 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Tomorrow, I'm hooking up the smaller boat to tow an hour and 50 minutes across Alligator Alley and fish 2.5 miles offshore for Sailfish, kingfish, and wahoo. Where do you launch on the east coast? Any trailer parking issues? Haulover. I've only been there once, and there was plenty of parking...but it wasn't during season. We're leaving the house at 4:30am, so we clear the pass by sunrise. We might put the trip on hold 'til Saturday due to predicted 15-20knot winds out of the East on Friday and early Saturday. We stay on the other side of the bridge from Haulover. Then as you know, Haulover can be a messy inlet on a new moon outgoing tide with a strong onshore wind...which is exactly what is predicted for tomorrow. Winds are out of the east at 15-20 knots, and seas are 7 to 9 feet on top of a 3 foot swell. Perfect sailfish conditions...but not when you're going out in an 18' Boston Whaler...so our plans have changed. Instead, we're running in the Grady to the one of the DoD towers southwest of Marco on this coast. Seas are predicted to be 2-4 late Saturday...decreasing to 2' or less by Sunday. Actually, I like walking across the bridge to the north side of Haulover early in the morning to watch the boats leaving. There used to be a bait and snack barge anchored about a half mile up the ICW from the inlet, but I haven't seen it in a couple of years. Anyone who is in that area ought to check out some of the "head boats" for a half day of fishing on the cheap. It's hard not to catch fish with these captains, and since they only go about 1-2 miles out and three to four miles down the beach, most of the time is spent fishing. Haulover's a great kite-flying park, too. And there are hundreds of restuarants and good shopping nearby, too. The reason why those head boats are so successful catching fish is as soon as they hit the breakwaters half the passengers are having over the back railing chumming for fish. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
"Skipper" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: http://www.mexfish.com/fish/roost/roost.htm No. When I fished Cabo, I caught a striped marlin and a large bull dorado...but no roosterfish. Since the roosterfish is in the jack family, I'd expect a tough fight out of it. Not surprised, Cabo is the striped marlin capital of the world, and dorado can usually be found around any patch of floating whatever there. Both prized catches indeed, but the roosterfish is unlikely to be encountered by those half-day charters out of Cabo. It was a full-day charter, and we travelled about 30 miles north along the Pacific coast of the peninsula. You'd probably have as good a chance casting from shore for these beasts. My most memorable roosterfish encounters have not envolved hooking them, but observing them at dawn and dusk in secluded coves of the Cortez. Here's the drill...You are anchored for the night in a remote cove. Everything is peaceful and relaxed. You're sitting back when all of a sudden the peace is broken by a powerful commotion on the surface. You rise to observe these monsters attacking a school of baitfish. "Jack attack" Their quickness and power is something you will never forget. I relate this story to illustrate you will *never* really see the Cortez from those half-day charters...and the Cortez is worth seeing if you have a real sense for adventure in your being. Steinbeck's words were not idle chatter, the place inspires superlatives for those who go beyond the immediate, as Steinbeck did. I loved the Cabo area...and plan to go back. But since neither you nor I live there, why do you keep talking about it? When you started your east coat/west coast tournament of urination, you were talking about the coasts of the US. Why do you now include Mexico? |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: "Skipper" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: OK. Later today, I'm going fishing at the 5 mile reefs to target...sheepshead. Sheepshead? Jeeze, that's like pullin up discarded bicycle tires. Triggerfish put up a real fight and are worth eatin. Down Mexico way the boys filet em for ya soon as the boat hits the dock. Triggers are probably the fightenest fish pound for pound you can sling aboard. Pound-for-pound, the lowly pinfish outfights all others...followed closely by anything in the tuna family, and most fish in the jack family. I've caught plenty of triggerfish. They are excellent eating, but a bear to clean. But I never pulled one up and said to myself "damn, that was one tough fish". I'd put their fighting ability on par with a small black drum or a sheepshead. Tomorrow, I'm hooking up the smaller boat to tow an hour and 50 minutes across Alligator Alley and fish for Sailfish. Would seem you have a truly trailerable boat then. Wouldn't want to lug a Parker 25 that far. Why not? I sold the 25' Whaler to my dad, and he bought a trailer for it. My Sequoia tows it just fine. NYOB, Are all of the triggerfish eatable? I always thought they were too pretty to eat, sort of like eating Bambi. I dunno what you mean about "all of the triggerfish"...since I've only caught one variant of the fish. I'm sure they're all just as tasty...just like Bambi is as tasty as her mom, only more tender. |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:21:31 +0000, NOYB wrote: Then as you know, Haulover can be a messy inlet on a new moon outgoing tide with a strong onshore wind...which is exactly what is predicted for tomorrow. Winds are out of the east at 15-20 knots, and seas are 7 to 9 feet on top of a 3 foot swell. Perfect sailfish conditions...but not when you're going out in an 18' Boston Whaler...so our plans have changed. Instead, we're running in the Grady to the one of the DoD towers southwest of Marco on this coast. Seas are predicted to be 2-4 late Saturday...decreasing to 2' or less by Sunday. Just curious, NOYB, how's the net ban working out? I did a fair deal of fishing in Florida before it passed, but none since. I thought the fishing was pretty damn good before, how's it now? Is the ban still controversial, or are most happy with it? The ban has helped certain populations like seatrout over the past several years... but overall the fishing has been poor this year. The Army Corp of Engineers is dumping too much freshwater down the Caloosahatchee to drain Okeechobee, and it's killing the estuary system. The offshore scene (30 miles) is still doing pretty well, but the bait fish run (and the king and spanish mackeral/tarpon that follow them) which usually takes place in the Fall simply didn't happen this year. Most believe that the runoff from the Caloosahatchee is to blame. The Corp was pumping something like 2 million gallons of polluted lake water per minute into the estuaries and onto the beaches of Ft. Myers and Sanibel. |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. Harry Krause wrote: NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:06:08 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Tomorrow, I'm hooking up the smaller boat to tow an hour and 50 minutes across Alligator Alley and fish 2.5 miles offshore for Sailfish, kingfish, and wahoo. Where do you launch on the east coast? Any trailer parking issues? Haulover. I've only been there once, and there was plenty of parking...but it wasn't during season. We're leaving the house at 4:30am, so we clear the pass by sunrise. We might put the trip on hold 'til Saturday due to predicted 15-20knot winds out of the East on Friday and early Saturday. We stay on the other side of the bridge from Haulover. Then as you know, Haulover can be a messy inlet on a new moon outgoing tide with a strong onshore wind...which is exactly what is predicted for tomorrow. Winds are out of the east at 15-20 knots, and seas are 7 to 9 feet on top of a 3 foot swell. Perfect sailfish conditions...but not when you're going out in an 18' Boston Whaler...so our plans have changed. Instead, we're running in the Grady to the one of the DoD towers southwest of Marco on this coast. Seas are predicted to be 2-4 late Saturday...decreasing to 2' or less by Sunday. Actually, I like walking across the bridge to the north side of Haulover early in the morning to watch the boats leaving. There used to be a bait and snack barge anchored about a half mile up the ICW from the inlet, but I haven't seen it in a couple of years. Anyone who is in that area ought to check out some of the "head boats" for a half day of fishing on the cheap. It's hard not to catch fish with these captains, and since they only go about 1-2 miles out and three to four miles down the beach, most of the time is spent fishing. Haulover's a great kite-flying park, too. And there are hundreds of restuarants and good shopping nearby, too. The reason why those head boats are so successful catching fish is as soon as they hit the breakwaters half the passengers are having over the back railing chumming for fish. That could be. But my experience with headboats is that they're for googans who hold their reels upside down, and bring along 100 lb. tackle to fight 2 pound porgies. |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
NOYB wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: "Skipper" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: OK. Later today, I'm going fishing at the 5 mile reefs to target...sheepshead. Sheepshead? Jeeze, that's like pullin up discarded bicycle tires. Triggerfish put up a real fight and are worth eatin. Down Mexico way the boys filet em for ya soon as the boat hits the dock. Triggers are probably the fightenest fish pound for pound you can sling aboard. Pound-for-pound, the lowly pinfish outfights all others...followed closely by anything in the tuna family, and most fish in the jack family. I've caught plenty of triggerfish. They are excellent eating, but a bear to clean. But I never pulled one up and said to myself "damn, that was one tough fish". I'd put their fighting ability on par with a small black drum or a sheepshead. Tomorrow, I'm hooking up the smaller boat to tow an hour and 50 minutes across Alligator Alley and fish for Sailfish. Would seem you have a truly trailerable boat then. Wouldn't want to lug a Parker 25 that far. Why not? I sold the 25' Whaler to my dad, and he bought a trailer for it. My Sequoia tows it just fine. NYOB, Are all of the triggerfish eatable? I always thought they were too pretty to eat, sort of like eating Bambi. I dunno what you mean about "all of the triggerfish"...since I've only caught one variant of the fish. I'm sure they're all just as tasty...just like Bambi is as tasty as her mom, only more tender. NYOB, I am talking about the colorful reef fish such as the Queen Trigger, the Picasso Trigger, Clown Trigger, Leafy Trigger, Red Tooth Trigger, Titan Trigger etc. You know the "Bambi" of the fish world. I bet you didn't cry when Bambi's mom was killed. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
NOYB wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. Harry Krause wrote: NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:06:08 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Tomorrow, I'm hooking up the smaller boat to tow an hour and 50 minutes across Alligator Alley and fish 2.5 miles offshore for Sailfish, kingfish, and wahoo. Where do you launch on the east coast? Any trailer parking issues? Haulover. I've only been there once, and there was plenty of parking...but it wasn't during season. We're leaving the house at 4:30am, so we clear the pass by sunrise. We might put the trip on hold 'til Saturday due to predicted 15-20knot winds out of the East on Friday and early Saturday. We stay on the other side of the bridge from Haulover. Then as you know, Haulover can be a messy inlet on a new moon outgoing tide with a strong onshore wind...which is exactly what is predicted for tomorrow. Winds are out of the east at 15-20 knots, and seas are 7 to 9 feet on top of a 3 foot swell. Perfect sailfish conditions...but not when you're going out in an 18' Boston Whaler...so our plans have changed. Instead, we're running in the Grady to the one of the DoD towers southwest of Marco on this coast. Seas are predicted to be 2-4 late Saturday...decreasing to 2' or less by Sunday. Actually, I like walking across the bridge to the north side of Haulover early in the morning to watch the boats leaving. There used to be a bait and snack barge anchored about a half mile up the ICW from the inlet, but I haven't seen it in a couple of years. Anyone who is in that area ought to check out some of the "head boats" for a half day of fishing on the cheap. It's hard not to catch fish with these captains, and since they only go about 1-2 miles out and three to four miles down the beach, most of the time is spent fishing. Haulover's a great kite-flying park, too. And there are hundreds of restuarants and good shopping nearby, too. The reason why those head boats are so successful catching fish is as soon as they hit the breakwaters half the passengers are having over the back railing chumming for fish. That could be. But my experience with headboats is that they're for googans who hold their reels upside down, and bring along 100 lb. tackle to fight 2 pound porgies. NYOB, Yeah, so whats your point? ; ) I went on a head boat may years ago. The captain told everyone to drop their line to the bottom, and start pulling the bait up and down and after awhile just bring the line up, (you could not feel if a fish was on or not). I swear, half the fish were hook on their tails, on the side of the body etc. These poor fish were swimming along and suddenly they were snagged by a wandering hook and they were hauled up. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:52:47 +0000, NOYB wrote:
The ban has helped certain populations like seatrout over the past several years... but overall the fishing has been poor this year. The Army Corp of Engineers is dumping too much freshwater down the Caloosahatchee to drain Okeechobee, and it's killing the estuary system. The offshore scene (30 miles) is still doing pretty well, but the bait fish run (and the king and spanish mackeral/tarpon that follow them) which usually takes place in the Fall simply didn't happen this year. Most believe that the runoff from the Caloosahatchee is to blame. The Corp was pumping something like 2 million gallons of polluted lake water per minute into the estuaries and onto the beaches of Ft. Myers and Sanibel. It may get worse, before it gets better. The St. Lucie River is now so bad that there is a "no contact" advisory. The group defending the St. Lucie want more water released into the Calooshatchee. I've never been too impressed with Florida's "good old boy" governing style. They seem to be willing to trash all of South Florida, all so a few West Palm families can make their money in sugar. It doesn't seem right to me. http://www.sccf.org/White%20Paper.pdf |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:52:47 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:21:31 +0000, NOYB wrote: Then as you know, Haulover can be a messy inlet on a new moon outgoing tide with a strong onshore wind...which is exactly what is predicted for tomorrow. Winds are out of the east at 15-20 knots, and seas are 7 to 9 feet on top of a 3 foot swell. Perfect sailfish conditions...but not when you're going out in an 18' Boston Whaler...so our plans have changed. Instead, we're running in the Grady to the one of the DoD towers southwest of Marco on this coast. Seas are predicted to be 2-4 late Saturday...decreasing to 2' or less by Sunday. Just curious, NOYB, how's the net ban working out? I did a fair deal of fishing in Florida before it passed, but none since. I thought the fishing was pretty damn good before, how's it now? Is the ban still controversial, or are most happy with it? The ban has helped certain populations like seatrout over the past several years... but overall the fishing has been poor this year. The Army Corp of Engineers is dumping too much freshwater down the Caloosahatchee to drain Okeechobee, and it's killing the estuary system. The offshore scene (30 miles) is still doing pretty well, but the bait fish run (and the king and spanish mackeral/tarpon that follow them) which usually takes place in the Fall simply didn't happen this year. Most believe that the runoff from the Caloosahatchee is to blame. The Corp was pumping something like 2 million gallons of polluted lake water per minute into the estuaries and onto the beaches of Ft. Myers and Sanibel. Our seatrout in the Bay are basically gone, unless some decide to wander in this year. The fall striper run didn't happen last year. In fact, after the spring striper run, nothing much was caught the rest of the summer. Of course, we now have a 'cap' on the commercial menhaden harvest in the Bay, so that should help immensely (especially since the 'cap' exceeds the normal harvest anyway). -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:52:47 +0000, NOYB wrote: The ban has helped certain populations like seatrout over the past several years... but overall the fishing has been poor this year. The Army Corp of Engineers is dumping too much freshwater down the Caloosahatchee to drain Okeechobee, and it's killing the estuary system. The offshore scene (30 miles) is still doing pretty well, but the bait fish run (and the king and spanish mackeral/tarpon that follow them) which usually takes place in the Fall simply didn't happen this year. Most believe that the runoff from the Caloosahatchee is to blame. The Corp was pumping something like 2 million gallons of polluted lake water per minute into the estuaries and onto the beaches of Ft. Myers and Sanibel. It may get worse, before it gets better. The St. Lucie River is now so bad that there is a "no contact" advisory. The group defending the St. Lucie want more water released into the Calooshatchee. I've never been too impressed with Florida's "good old boy" governing style. They seem to be willing to trash all of South Florida, all so a few West Palm families can make their money in sugar. It doesn't seem right to me. It doesn't seem right to me either. In the mid-90's, voters adopted an Amendment known as "polluter pays". With "polluter pays", the law was written such that whoever did the polluting of the Everglades, would have to pay for the cleanup. There was a class-action suit filed in 1998 regarding the government's inaction on the matter...and as far as I know, there's still been no ruling on the matter: http://www.saveoureverglades.org/pol...lass_main.html About 2 weeks ago, they stopped the releases down the Caloosahatchee. I went out today, and that awful brown water we have had since last Fall, is now a pretty green/blue. Unfortunately, some nincompoop at South Florida Water Mgmt has decided that the salinity in the estuary system has gotten too high again (at least that's the excuse)...so they're going to release more water down the river. Recently, Sen. Bill Nelson came to Ft. Myers to inspect the water quality issue. He's seeking Federal funding for alternative water basins/reservoirs to dump the Okeechobee water into. But why?!? Big Sugar ought to pay...not the American taxpayer. Nevertheless, the water quality has been pretty good since his trip. ;-) |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 22:31:05 +0000, NOYB wrote:
It doesn't seem right to me either. In the mid-90's, voters adopted an Amendment known as "polluter pays". With "polluter pays", the law was written such that whoever did the polluting of the Everglades, would have to pay for the cleanup. There was a class-action suit filed in 1998 regarding the government's inaction on the matter...and as far as I know, there's still been no ruling on the matter: http://www.saveoureverglades.org/pol...lass_main.html About 2 weeks ago, they stopped the releases down the Caloosahatchee. I went out today, and that awful brown water we have had since last Fall, is now a pretty green/blue. Unfortunately, some nincompoop at South Florida Water Mgmt has decided that the salinity in the estuary system has gotten too high again (at least that's the excuse)...so they're going to release more water down the river. Recently, Sen. Bill Nelson came to Ft. Myers to inspect the water quality issue. He's seeking Federal funding for alternative water basins/reservoirs to dump the Okeechobee water into. But why?!? Big Sugar ought to pay...not the American taxpayer. Nevertheless, the water quality has been pretty good since his trip. ;-) They probably cleaned up because they knew he was coming. Sugar sure has a sweet deal. They are heavily subsidized, the sugar is sold at above world market pricing, and, all on land that wasn't suitable until they messed with Okeechobee's plumbing, sweet. Never mind, Florida Bay is dying, the Everglades need help, as do all the waters south of Okeechobee. |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
I consider it my mission in life to convince people that Florida is
hell on earth and to convince yankees that things really are better back where they come from. My fantasy is a mushroom cloud over Disney. |
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Floriduh - A Passing Fad
wrote in message ... On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 22:26:55 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: The Caloosahatchee was designed to handle all that water when it was "channelized". The Sanibel Causeway is what screwed up the flow. SW Florida is going to disappear, sort of like Atlantis? If we have a storm that tracks such that the wind is out of the north across the lake Clewiston might be the new Atlantis. Having real estate in So. Florida was an eye opening experience for me. At one point we had two properties located in a gated development that was built on 1000 acres in the middle of swamp lands. Nice, until the hurricane season of 2004 destroyed one of the berms on a water management system that controls the level of Lake Okeechobee. At 11 feet above sea level, most of the house lots became personal islands within 12 hours of the berm failure. Some houses were flooded. Next came the snakes and alligators. Sold both properties. RCE |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 22:20:37 -0500, gfretwell wrote:
I agree Big Sugar is part of the problem but so in Mickey Mouse, all those yards, streets and golf courses in Orlando. All that water ends up in the Kissimee river. It sounds like you have studied this issue. Is there a solution? It's my understanding (limited), that the Everglades and Florida Bay need more fresh water, but that's being diverted to the St. Lucie and Caloosahatchee, and that the water that is reaching the Everglades has way too much fertilizer in it. |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
Harry: I have lived in N Fl for most of my life and rarely have any
problems with religious zealots. Maybe you somehow invite problems.. I am about as irreligious as I can be but although I am aware of some religious extremists they rarely bother me at all. Just what is it you had to fight? |
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Floriduh - A Passing Fad
"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Several times a week, representatives of different sects patrolled the neighborhoods, banging on doors and demanding whether those who answered had "found Jesus." Just say, "Yes, but I am sorry, he's sleeping right now". RCE |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 04:01:32 -0600, Skipper wrote:
You're sitting back when all of a sudden the peace is broken by a powerful commotion on the surface. You rise to observe these monsters attacking a school of baitfish. I can see that right in front of my house when the Jack Crevalle start feeding. Have you ever seen a mullet jump 4 feet straight out of the water? |
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I support Skipper for different reasons. I moved my sailboat back to the
Great Lakes, after over 20 years in the Florida Keys. All the reasonably priced motels are either full up or overpriced. Who wants to pay for a fancy place with a swimming pool, if you are spending your time getting your boat in and out of storage. I have also seen prices go up much faster than in other parts of the country. This includes lodging, restaurants, marinas, boat yards, etc. I have noticed that fishing in Florida Bay became a waste of time. I'm glad I did my cruising years ago down there. It still has many advantages for cruising over say the Great Lakes, but now I get more use out of my boat, and it is not taking me to the poor house. Sherwin D. Skipper wrote: Floriduh was once the place you set world land speed records. That honor has long since passed to western states. Floriduh once had great fishing and freedoms, not any more. The best fishing is now found on the West Coast and Pacific waters. Would seem Floriduh has been religated as a place for retirees and the non adventurous. Those with real get-up-and-go, with true adventurous spirits, the non whoosies with real drive, well, they go west and really live. Of course, that just my personal observation. -- Skipper |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
"sherwindu" wrote in message ... I support Skipper for different reasons. I moved my sailboat back to the Great Lakes, after over 20 years in the Florida Keys. All the reasonably priced motels are either full up or overpriced. Who wants to pay for a fancy place with a swimming pool, if you are spending your time getting your boat in and out of storage. I have also seen prices go up much faster than in other parts of the country. This includes lodging, restaurants, marinas, boat yards, etc. I have noticed that fishing in Florida Bay became a waste of time. I'm glad I did my cruising years ago down there. It still has many advantages for cruising over say the Great Lakes, but now I get more use out of my boat, and it is not taking me to the poor house. Sherwin D. "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded." (Yogi Berra) BTW--If you can't catch fish in Florida Bay or the rest of the Keys, you need to hire a guide, because you're just not doing something right. The first time I ever went there, I caught a 125 lb. tarpon, numerous barracuda to 6 feet, grouper, snapper, cero mackeral, blackfin tuna, and various reef fish. |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "sherwindu" wrote in message ... I support Skipper for different reasons. I moved my sailboat back to the Great Lakes, after over 20 years in the Florida Keys. All the reasonably priced motels are either full up or overpriced. Who wants to pay for a fancy place with a swimming pool, if you are spending your time getting your boat in and out of storage. I have also seen prices go up much faster than in other parts of the country. This includes lodging, restaurants, marinas, boat yards, etc. I have noticed that fishing in Florida Bay became a waste of time. I'm glad I did my cruising years ago down there. It still has many advantages for cruising over say the Great Lakes, but now I get more use out of my boat, and it is not taking me to the poor house. Sherwin D. "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded." (Yogi Berra) BTW--If you can't catch fish in Florida Bay or the rest of the Keys, you need to hire a guide, because you're just not doing something right. The first time I ever went there, I caught a 125 lb. tarpon, numerous barracuda to 6 feet, grouper, snapper, cero mackeral, blackfin tuna, and various reef fish. Another thing: They stopped the freshwater releases down the Caloosahatchee River on January 16th. The water has cleaned up, the salinity has increased again, and the pelagics are back on the nearshore reefs. Just yesterday, we caught a 20 lb. permit and 25 lb. cobia...and hooked up a 125+ lb. tarpon that jumped and threw the hook. Those are three very peculiar catches for this time of the year. You usually don't see those fish until April/May/June...but there was a lot of warm water blowing north from the Keys, and water temps were just a couple of degrees below 70 F. |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:51:11 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: They stopped the freshwater releases down the Caloosahatchee River on January 16th. The water has cleaned up, the salinity has increased again, and the pelagics are back on the nearshore reefs. How much do you think the salinity was affected 6-8 miles out in the gulf? I've been out 8 or more miles and have seen a distinct line where the Caloosahatchee brown water runoff meets the green/blue water of the gulf. And it wasn't a tide line, because a regular tide line would not reach that far out into the gulf. The contrast from the brown to the green was astounding. Let's not assess blame for every bad day of fishing to the Caloosahatchee problem. Of course not. But ask any angler who goes out on a regular basis whether they see a correlation between when the Corp dumps water down the river, and when the water quality and fishing decline. The evidence is anecdotal at worst, and empirical at best...but the fishing is undoubtedly affected by the amount of freshwater dumped down that river..and how long the dumping continues. Depending upon the volume, it pushes most of the fish to deeper water. It doesn't affect certain fish as much, because they're accustomed to brackish water. But permit aren't going to show up when the water salinity is low. The fact that I found permit and cobia inside 5 miles just 2 weeks after they stopped the heavy freshwater release is more than a coincidence. When you are out on May Reef you will be as impacted by garbage from Tampa Bay as you will be by the Caloosahatchee. I don't agree. There is a lot more chance for dilution through diffusion once the water from Tampa Bay travels 160 miles south. If low salinity was a problem you wouldn't catch any fish in the Estero bay in the summer since it seldom gets above 16 on an outgoing tide. Snook, tarpon, and redfish are accustomed to brackish conditions. Permit, most sharks, cobia, and many reef fish are not. How many permit, sharks, and cobia do we find in Estero bay in the summer months? People seem to seek the places where the fresh water is flowing the fastest. My summer numbers in the Estero River cruise in the single digits. I will agree 100% that San Carlos Bay and Pine Island sound are impacted by low salinity and have been for 40 years. The main problem with the water is still tied to nutrients. We have the same problems with all the fresh water streams entering the estuary, some worse than others. Finding out where they come from is one of the objectives of all that water testing we do. Here's a post I snipped from another forum: " I launched kayaks at Ft Myer's Manatee Park yesterday. we didn't see any manatees and I didn't fish much. I took my hydrometer with me and checked the salinity/specific gravity of the surface water just below the power plant outflow. Salinity measured at 6 ppt, specific gravity at 1.004. That's virtually salt free and also the reading I got during the peak of last summers rainy season on the Peace River. We paddled about a mile east- farther back into the Orange River. I measured the surface water again and got a salinity reading of 0.0 and specific gravity of 1.0. That's the normal reading for fresh water. The Peace and Myaka Rivers within a couple of miles of the harbor are measuring between 14 and 22 parts per thousand for salt content. Normal Gulf water usually measures salinity about 36 ppt/ specific gravity 1.027. Surface water usually reads more fresh than water below the surface but I would think the power plant outflow water having been drawn from the Caloosahatchee river and being well mixed before being added to the Orange River should have been much more salty. Especially considering that they are saying the Caloosahatchee river is too salty right now. What is healthy for the Caloosahatchee river?" Did you see where he said that the normal gulf water measures around 36ppt and 1.027? I can guarantee you that for the past 5 months, the water flushing over May, Wiggins, GH, Doc Kline, etc. reefs (all within 10 miles of shore) has been nowhere near that number. |
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Skipper wrote:
NOYB wrote: OK. Later today, I'm going fishing at the 5 mile reefs to target...sheepshead. Sheepshead? Jeeze, that's like pullin up discarded bicycle tires. Triggerfish put up a real fight and are worth eatin. Down Mexico way the boys filet em for ya soon as the boat hits the dock. Triggers are probably the fightenest fish pound for pound you can sling aboard. Tomorrow, I'm hooking up the smaller boat to tow an hour and 50 minutes across Alligator Alley and fish for Sailfish. Would seem you have a truly trailerable boat then. Wouldn't want to lug a Parker 25 that far. -- Skipper I guess there aren't any jacks in the "Cortez"... What "truly trailerable boat" do you pretend to have these days, Dave? Dan |
Floriduh - A Passing Fad
Skipper wrote:
NOYB wrote: Sheepshead? Jeeze, that's like pullin up discarded bicycle tires. Triggerfish put up a real fight and are worth eatin. Down Mexico way the boys filet em for ya soon as the boat hits the dock. Triggers are probably the fightenest fish pound for pound you can sling aboard. Pound-for-pound, the lowly pinfish outfights all others... I've caught plenty of triggerfish. They are excellent eating, but a bear to clean. But I never pulled one up and said to myself "damn, that was one tough fish". I'd put their fighting ability on par with a small black drum or a sheepshead. Yep. The pinfish is like a small bluegill. But pound-for-pound, it's a heckuva fighter. Good gawd these Floriduhites have a lot to learn. Must be sompin in the water. http://www.mexfish.com/fish/fstrig/fstrig.htm -- Skipper We could scoop those into the boat with a landing net behind a chum line. I've caught hundreds, literally. A jack in the same weight class will run for its life. Triggerfish don't compare. Dan ***Disclaimer: Mt experience is limited to triggerfish and jacks caught in Florida. I have no experience with triggerfish or jacks from Kansas.*** |
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